beer should be drank

[nickel]

cold.

there is no excuse to hold onto it and make it all warm and back-washy.

[blueindian]

yup, and imaboutta go get some. our AC is broke at work, I just sent everyone home, and I'm going to the bar. w00t!

[Burzhui]

yea i like my women warm and my beer cold :cheers:

[ufcrusher]

yup, and imaboutta go get some. our AC is broke at work, I just sent everyone home, and I'm going to the bar. w00t!

Is it really that warm in NC right now that you have to run the A/C?

[eSDee]

I agree that if it is served cold then it should stay cold.

Are you drinking already nickel? :D

[BrewMaster]

cold.

there is no excuse to hold onto it and make it all warm and back-washy.

I agree with the back wash part, but not all beers should be served cold. proper ways to serve some beers is at room temperature. other beers should be chilled to about 40-50°F. it depends on the beer style and alcohol content. the general rule (though not always 100% true) is that the higher the alcohol content, the warmer the beer should be served. also a lot of stouts and porters are served at warmer temps (up to room temp) even if they are lower in alcohol.

Americans tend to cool their beer towards damn near freezing which takes away all flavor and aroma from the beer. I suppose if I was drinking sh!tty Budweiser or Coors or Miller, I wouldn't want to taste the watered-down crap either. And frozen glasses are an absolute no no. When the beer hits the glass it experiences thermal shock which kills a lot of the flavors. But for good beers from the many great microbreweries in all of our states, the beer should not be chilled to near frozen. Beer has flavors and aromas that are released at warmer temperature.

Here is a rough guideline for serving temperatures (http://www.realbeer.com/library/beerbreak/archives/beerbreak20000921.php) for some beer styles.

[DarkFury]

Although I do respect BrewMaster's taste in beer.... I still think it tastes like piss water (and no... I haven't tasted piss water to compare, but honestly it probably isn't much worse. :puke: :D )

[Jcranmer]

cold.

there is no excuse to hold onto it and make it all warm and back-washy.
Unless you are in Europe where a lot of beer is served at room temp. :)

[BrewMaster]

Although I do respect BrewMaster's taste in beer.... I still think it tastes like piss water (and no... I haven't tasted piss water to compare, but honestly it probably isn't much worse. :puke: :D )

DF, I will have to teach you the world of wonderful beer. I agree that there is a lot of piss water beer out there (no, I haven't tried piss water either) but there is also a lot of excellent tasting beer out there. Just like in everything, there is the good and the bad. I mean, if everyone judged computers by eMachines or Fry's off brand, no one would own one. Next time I'm in your area I'll buy you a pint and if you don't like it, I'll drink it myself.

[Nija]

off the breast of an attratcive, legal-aged woman. :thumbup:

[DaFunkyUnit]

Unless you are in Europe where a lot of beer is served at room temp. :)

when i was over in Europe a year ago, all the beer was cold (i only drank beer in London, Paris, Munich, and Amsterdam). the whole "europeans drink warm beer" thing is a total sham.

oh, in Amsterdam, Heineken and Amstel is their Budweiser and Miller, respectively. how cool is that?

[zenbooty]

off the breast of an attratcive, legal-aged woman. :thumbup:Or even better drink from the furry cup?

[blueindian]

Is it really that warm in NC right now that you have to run the A/C?

it was 77 today, we're on the third floor, have large sunshine filled windows, and the windows don't open. yup, we needed ac. the thermostats said it was 84. the fans we had set up were blowing hot air. it sucked.

[BrewMaster]

when i was over in Europe a year ago, all the beer was cold (i only drank beer in London, Paris, Munich, and Amsterdam). the whole "europeans drink warm beer" thing is a total sham.


not a total sham. like i posted above, some beers SHOULD be served room temp (aka "warm") and anything colder kills the flavor. in may parts of Europe they serve beers at the proper temperature for their style. Belgium is an example of that. The small pubs in London that I went to generally served their beers a few degrees to cold, but nothing offensive. Belgium and Germany are much better about proper serving temps in general.



oh, in Amsterdam, Heineken and Amstel is their Budweiser and Miller, respectively. how cool is that?

um, not cool at all IMO. All the beers you named suck. Just because it is from Holland doesn't make Heineken a good beer. It would go into the piss water category.

[welfareloser]

Are you drinking already nickel? :D

well, if we're supposed to use her grammar as a gauge, she's about a 6-pack down and counting...

i just cracked my first honey brown. it's getting warmer... gotta go! :cheers:

[zenbooty]

um, not cool at all IMO. All the beers you named suck. Just because it is from Holland doesn't make Heineken a good beer. It would go into the piss water category.The Heineken served fresh in Amsterdam kicks much ass.

[kei2]

Actually, it should be "drunk" not "drank"

[welfareloser]

Actually, it should be "drunk" not "drank"


(pssst... i'm assuming it was an intentional joke... you don't get out of the 8th grade without knowing that... but you do get out of a six pack without knowing it ;) )

[Roots SD]

2 words: Frozen Mugs.

I prefer dark beers so it's better this way, you can really savor it.

[DarkFury]

DF, I will have to teach you the world of wonderful beer. I agree that there is a lot of piss water beer out there (no, I haven't tried piss water either) but there is also a lot of excellent tasting beer out there. Just like in everything, there is the good and the bad. I mean, if everyone judged computers by eMachines or Fry's off brand, no one would own one. Next time I'm in your area I'll buy you a pint and if you don't like it, I'll drink it myself.
Deal..

BTW... the ONLY beer that I've ever had that I could somewhat tolerate (outside of root beer of course. :D ) was Killian's Irish Red... and I think I only kinda liked that one because it was sorta sweet versus bitter.

I absolutely HATE the taste of bitter... so if the beer is bitter, I can tell you up front that I ain't gonna like it. :D

Good thing beer doesn't taste like Coca Cola... I'd be a sho nuff drunk. :D

[cheapie]

DF, I will have to teach you the world of wonderful beer....Next time I'm in your area I'll buy you a pint and if you don't like it, I'll drink it myself.


see...df and i have heard this a billion times. oh? you don't like beer? well...you gotta try brand x. it's awesome!

NO. IT'S NOT! IT'S STILL BEER!

give me a tang. and tonic, vanilla absolut and diet, rum and coke, etc. over a beer 99% of the time.

the other 1%? after riding (my snowboard or bike), running, or if it's hot outside.

[BrewMaster]

The Heineken served fresh in Amsterdam kicks much ass.
eh, fresh piss probably tastes better than stale piss, but in the end it's all piss.


Deal..

BTW... the ONLY beer that I've ever had that I could somewhat tolerate (outside of root beer of course. :D ) was Killian's Irish Red... and I think I only kinda liked that one because it was sorta sweet versus bitter.


Deal. There are a lot of good sweet beers out there. Now that I know that you don't like bitter, we'll stay away from anything with lots of hops and focus on the very malty beers. There are some Belgian beers that will get you piss drunk "sho nuff." Sweet and crisp tasting with about 10% ABV. Goes down like sweet nectar. Yeah, we'll talk.

[DarkFury]

Deal. There are a lot of good sweet beers out there. Now that I know that you don't like bitter, we'll stay away from anything with lots of hops and focus on the very malty beers. There are some Belgian beers that will get you piss drunk "sho nuff." Sweet and crisp tasting with about 10% ABV. Goes down like sweet nectar. Yeah, we'll talk.
Cool...

I'm sure if there is a beer that I would even like... you'd probably know about it. :D


see...df and i have heard this a billion times. oh? you don't like beer? well...you gotta try brand x. it's awesome!

NO. IT'S NOT! IT'S STILL BEER!

give me a tang. and tonic, vanilla absolut and diet, rum and coke, etc. over a beer 99% of the time.

the other 1%? after riding (my snowboard or bike), running, or if it's hot outside.
Hee hee...

Beer when near, but liquor's still quicker... :thumb:

[zenbooty]

eh, fresh piss probably tastes better than stale piss, but in the end it's all piss.Well aren't we a little cocky? I don't think you're the only one here with an educated appreciation for beer, my friend. You'd do well to be more diplomatic :thumbup:

The heineken was great. It actually had a nice head.

[DarkFury]

Well aren't we a little cocky? I don't think you're the only one here with an educated appreciation for beer, my friend. You'd do well to be more diplomatic :thumbup:

The heineken was great. It actually had a nice head.
In BM's defense.... I'll be the first to admit that he is a "disciple of the principles of brew"...

So pretty much, I'd trust his opinion when it comes to dem suds. :D


(Anyone willing to spend $15 per bottle of a certain beer definitely knows something that the rest of us don't... :D )

[zenbooty]

(Anyone willing to spend $15 per bottle of a certain beer definitely knows something that the rest of us don't... :D )Nothing I and a zillion other people haven't done. :shrug:

[DarkFury]

Nothing I and a zillion other people haven't done. :shrug:
Ok then... I'll take your word for it too.

I just can't see it. :D But that's just me. :hihi:

(I'd like to see the "zillion" people that were willin' to chuck up $15 per bottle of brew BTW... )

[JaQnAbOx]

not a total sham. like i posted above, some beers SHOULD be served room temp (aka "warm") and anything colder kills the flavor. in may parts of Europe they serve beers at the proper temperature for their style. Belgium is an example of that. The small pubs in London that I went to generally served their beers a few degrees to cold, but nothing offensive. Belgium and Germany are much better about proper serving temps in general.



um, not cool at all IMO. All the beers you named suck. Just because it is from Holland doesn't make Heineken a good beer. It would go into the piss water category.

Heineken is actually no longer brewed in Holland..nor has it been for like the last 10 yrs...and yes..i agree with brewmaster...Dutch beer is not great beer...its bleh...i personally didnt like dutch beer when i was in the Netherlands...Germany has good beer..but you cant really get them here in the states....its illegal to add preservatives into beer in germany...so its harder to export....Belgium beers are good too...they have great flavors that arnt too bitter...they are actually kind of sweet.

Italian beer...ahhahaha....italian beer is horrible...as well as greek beer...beer from the Czech republic....thats some good stuff...Its actually the home of "Budweiser"....just the name only tho....the budweiser brewery in Czech Republic..had to change its name to "Budvar"

the swiss, french, and spanish dont drink too much beer...

the english have good beer....carlsburg....droool

but thats my 2 cents...(i just came back from backpacking in europe/getting drunk all around europe....and man do i miss european beer)

as for drinks..coke..rum and coke...juice...etc...
Sweet does not equal good...soda without sugar= soda water= sick
what kid doesnt like sweets...its when you train yourself to like different tastes...bitter, sour, sweet, salty...do you better understand food and drinks

[eSDee]

Ok then... I'll take your word for it too.


Well I lived in Germany for 2 years and drank only European beers the entire time. I did a 2 week roadtrip through Germany and stopped at every town that had a local brewery, so I know a few things about beers as well. But I'm not one to gloat :D I will say though that half of the towns that I stopped at served their beer at room temperature.

I don't like to be a beer snob because I think that everyone who likes beer has their beer of choice for whatever reason. I can relate with them on that level even if it's Bud out of a can. I have "drank" beer that I wouldn't normally drink just because it's cold and refreshing. It doesn't all have to be Czechvar or Warsteriner or even Sierra Nevada. Just find a beer you like, learn some history about beer, and I'll drink with you any day of the week. :cheers:

By the way Darkfury, I know a few folks who don't like bitter beers either, and they usually settle for Newcastle or Sam Adams. Have you tried either of those? There is a Sam Adams Winterfest beer that is out right now that is pretty sweet. It might be worth a shot.

[blueindian]

By the way Darkfury, I know a few folks who don't like bitter beers either, and they usually settle for Newcastle or Sam Adams. Have you tried either of those? There is a Sam Adams Winterfest beer that is out right now that is pretty sweet. It might be worth a shot.


methinks df might like sam adams cherry wheat, abita purple haze, or similar. perhaps one of the numerous pumpkin beers which are out at the moment.

[bachviet]

Warm beer tastes nasty. :puke:

[nickel]

disclaimer: it's only "drank" when you are drunk :cheers:
or on your way :blush:

[BrewMaster]

Well aren't we a little cocky? I don't think you're the only one here with an educated appreciation for beer, my friend. You'd do well to be more diplomatic :thumbup:


my apologies if I offended you. (seriously, I am not patronizing.)

I get pretty dang worked up over beer, moreso than any other subject including politics. I find that an appreciation for beer is usually the minority in any given group. I don't like beer, I love beer. I spend more money on beer every month than I do on food (no joke). Not that I drink a lot, but good beer is expensive and worth it. IMO, and it's only my educated opininon, Heineken is lousy beer. I've had it in Holland because I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt. It was just as bad over there, just not as skunked form being light struck.

As for Italian beer, I thought it was crap until I had Super Baladin the other day. It is simply dreamy.

As for good German beers in the US, you just have to know where to find them. They do import them. And by the way, hops IS THE preservative in beer. No need to add others. Yay for the German purity laws. American, Belgian and other beers that are worth anything don't add any preservative besides all natural hops.

I know other people have spent $15 per bottle on beer or even more. I am dedicated to my beer. I have a seperate temperature controlled fridge for all of my beer in the my garage. I don't have kids but I treat my good beer like precious children. You know those nuts that people make fun of for being crazy about wine? Well I'm one of those when it comes to beer. Usually, though not always, if you can find it at your local supermarket (Ralph's Albertson's, Safeway, etc) it is not good beer. And people who say, "yeah, I like good beer, Newcastle is my favorite beer" don't know much about beer. Kudos to them for venturing away from Bud, Miller, Coors, and Corona, but there is much more out there.

Honestly, being an Advoate of Beer is not about knowledge, it is about your palate. Go read all you want about beer, it's an excellent place to start. But the real education comes from the glass. Taste beers and develop a distinguishing palate. Newcastle has no taste to me. When I first started drinking beers I thought Newcastle was strong. Now my palate has been refined and improved and I taste things differently.

Ah, so that is my rant, rave, apology and advice. I love beer. Please join the fun.

(BTW, DF is refering to a PM that I sent him asking him to buy me some beer only available in his state at $15 per bottle. I wanted a case of 12 bottles. I offered to compensate him completely and then some for the beer, shipping, gas for the drive, and his trouble. Some things are worth the money it takes to get them. This beer would have been worth it.)

[JaQnAbOx]

do you goto the yardhouse often since you are pasadena? BM?

[nickel]

do you goto the yardhouse often since you are pasadena? BM?
call him Brew or somethin. when i see BM i think bowel movement.

[DarkFury]

as for drinks..coke..rum and coke...juice...etc...
Sweet does not equal good...soda without sugar= soda water= sick
what kid doesnt like sweets...its when you train yourself to like different tastes...bitter, sour, sweet, salty...do you better understand food and drinks
Well I'm no kid.. but my tastebuds know what they like and what they don't like...

and honestly, I don't want to "aquire" the taste for that which I don't like...


But you are still entitled to your opinion on that topic. :D

[BrewMaster]

do you goto the yardhouse often since you are pasadena? BM?

No, I rarely go to the Yardhouse. I've been to Pasadena twice and Long Beach once. The one in Pasadena is overcrowded. The one in Long Beach has a nice atmosphere since it right on the water and you can sit outside. The problem with the Yarhouse is that they don't clean their tap lines often enough and their beers get old. For example, Pasadena Yardhouse has Delerium Tremens on tap. It's a fine Belgian beer, but I doubt they can even finish a keg of that in a month because most people just don't buy strong Belgian beers like that. They don't know it. Kegs should be finished in a week to maintain freshness. So the keg sits and gets old and stale and they still want to charge $6-8 per pint. No thanks. While their bar is impressive with hundreds of tap handles, their beer is generally lacking in flavor compared to what it tastes like fresh elsewhere. It's an impressive feat of engineering for sure, but not an impressive beer feat.

The best place in Pasadena to drink a beer, and probably one of the best in the country, is Lucky Baldwin's on Raymond. Dave runs a great pub there with a fantastic selection and an unbelievable stash in the cellar.

If you want a great place to drink beers in the LA area, go to the Stuffed Sandwich in San Gabriel. So frills, just great beer and decent food. Also check out Father's Office in Santa Monica.

[eSDee]

Brewmaster I think you should change your rank to Dr. Brew ;) Do you have any seasonable beers that you are enjoying right now? Anyone else?

Irish pubs are usually a good bet at the very least for a good Guiness. Although I do like my local pub that has 22 oz. Steinlagers for $3.00 on certain nights. That's good beer too.

[blueindian]

Do you have any seasonable beers that you are enjoying right now? Anyone else?

Irish pubs are usually a good bet at the very least for a good Guiness. Although I do like my local pub that has 22 oz. Steinlagers for $3.00 on certain nights. That's good beer too.

Highland Hills pumpkin ale.

yum.

[Jcranmer]

when i was over in Europe a year ago, all the beer was cold (i only drank beer in London, Paris, Munich, and Amsterdam). the whole "europeans drink warm beer" thing is a total sham.

oh, in Amsterdam, Heineken and Amstel is their Budweiser and Miller, respectively. how cool is that?
Wow I didn't know that, not that I have ever been anywhere in Europe to know, but that's what I have always heard.

[caribiner23]

I was at a pub in London a few years ago that served a bunch of international beers. I ordered a Czech Budvar, but most of the people there were drinking American Budweiser. Eeegh. One of the guys told me I was "lucky" to have Budweiser so cheap and available in the US. :rolleyes: (I explained that "cheap and available" aren't always good things.)

[GracieBayb]

yea i like my women warm and my beer cold :cheers:

i'm confused, aren't cold women like frigid? why would you want a frigid chick?

[BrewMaster]

Brewmaster I think you should change your rank to Dr. Brew ;) Do you have any seasonable beers that you are enjoying right now? Anyone else?


eSDeeLoco, you live in one of the greatest beer cities in America if not the world. I go to SD about once a month for beer because the scene down there is simply spectacular.

Great Seasonal Beers out now:

Stone Brewing Co - Double Bastard
Anchor Brewing Co - Our Special Ale 2004 (Anchor Christmas Ale)
Sierra Nevada - Celebration Ale
Alesmith - Yulesmith
Alesmith - Evil Dead Red

Pizza Port Solana Beach may also have a seasonal but I'm not sure. I really like the Anchor Christmas this year. It's nice. Yulesmith always rocks as do Celebration and Double Bastard. I haven't had the Evil Dead Red yet, but they have it on tap at O'Briens.

Coming up December 3rd and 4th, The San Diego Strong Ale Fesitval (http://www.pizzaport.com/StrongAle2004.html). You bet your life I'll be there. We're bringing our own designated driver.

Seriously eSDeeLoco, I could see myself moving to SD because the beer scene is so strong. There is only one great brewery and a few mediocre breweries in the LA area. Lots of great brew shops up here, but you have the breweries down there, namely Stone, Alesmith, Pizza Port, Oggi's, etc.

[blueindian]

Highland Hills pumpkin ale.

yum.

edit: actually Cottonwood Pumpkin is what I was referring too. I realized it today when I was at the store looking for a particular beer. The funny part is that I've been drinking it for a couple years now thinking it was Highland. I guess I just buy it based on the way the bottle looks without my brain actually processing the text on the label. :shrug:

[BrewMaster]

as long as you're buying good beer, that's all that matters.