145 on highway = 1200 buck ticket.

[attgig]

http://www.jsonline.com/news/racine/jan05/289790.asp
Hartland man accused of driving 145 mph on I-94

By TOM KERTSCHER
[email protected] ([email protected])

Posted: Jan. 3, 2005

Caledonia - A 25-year-old Waukesha County man tore into the new year - at 80 mph over the speed limit - and wracked up a possible $1,230 in traffic tickets, the Racine County Sheriff's Department said Monday.
Timothy M. Knick of Hartland was pulled over while driving a turbo-charged Subaru WRX on northbound I-94 near Highway K for driving 145 mph in a 65 mph zone, Sgt. Brian Londre said Monday. That ticket was for $863, and another for reckless driving added $367, for a total of $1,230, Londre said.

The new year was barely five hours old at that point.

There was no evidence that Knick had been drinking.

"That's a good thing," Londre said.

Tickets have been issued to many people for exceeding 120 mph, Londre said, but he hadn't heard of anyone reaching 145.

Court records show Knick was found guilty of speeding in Milwaukee County in 1999 and twice in Waukesha County in 1997. His record at the state Department of Motor Vehicles, which clears citations after five years, is clean.

Knick will have an opportunity to contest the new tickets in Racine County Circuit Court. He could not be reached for comment.

[look_ma]

Good post but, dont see why this made news though. People go 145 alot, just never get caught. Ive been 145 in a car before, not a huge deal. Nano probably hit 145 everytime he gets on his bike, lol.

[palayah8ta]

Well when ur driving through RACINe county what do u expect! Cop cars are cool. supercharged crown vics, why isnt there a big aftermarket following for those?!?
im im done being dumb

[bachviet]

Good post but, dont see why this made news though. People go 145 alot, just never get caught. Ive been 145 in a car before, not a huge deal. Nano probably hit 145 everytime he gets on his bike, lol.
That's true but he deserves more than the $1200 tickets because that's reckless and dangerous not to himself but other drivers.

[cheapie]

i-94? i drive on 94 every day. wrong part of it tho'.

[InfiniteNothing]

That's true but he deserves more than the $1200 tickets because that's reckless and dangerous not to himself but other drivers.

What if it was like 2am with no one on the road?

[Chgoman]

What if it was like 2am with no one on the road?

4th time getting caught and at that speed, he deserves whatever he got.

[bachviet]

What if it was like 2am with no one on the road?
Does it really matter? So if you are driving drunk at 2 AM, it's okay? :shrug:

[InfiniteNothing]

Does it really matter? So if you are driving drunk at 2 AM, it's okay? :shrug:
You're argument was that he was a danger to other drivers. Since that argument hangs on the premise that there were other drivers I'd say it was important.

[look_ma]

4th time getting caught and at that speed, he deserves whatever he got.

negatory ghost rider. all of his other priors were 5 years ago and greater.

[Maarchk]

You're argument was that he was a danger to other drivers. Since that argument hangs on the premise that there were other drivers I'd say it was important.

Lets say there is just one person in the car on the road with him. Should he be fined less cause he can only kill you? and not you and me? I have to say its less relevant. The only difference is that with more people, he weaves and should get nailed for reckless X 2. or maybe X 3. Depends on what his bonus points are up to at this level of the game. :)

[hapoo]

When i was driving to tahoe 2 weeks ago the highway was so fogged up you couldn't see two yards in front of you, but everyone was going 90mph, now thats stupid.

[bachviet]

You're argument was that he was a danger to other drivers. Since that argument hangs on the premise that there were other drivers I'd say it was important.
So if it's 2 AM, there won't be any other drivers on the road?

[InfiniteNothing]

So if it's 2 AM, there won't be any other drivers on the road?
You must have missed the second part:


What if it was like 2am with no one on the road?

It's a hypothetical. I don't actually know the situation

Lets say there is just one person in the car on the road with him. Should he be fined less cause he can only kill you? and not you and me? I have to say its less relevant. The only difference is that with more people, he weaves and should get nailed for reckless X 2. or maybe X 3. Depends on what his bonus points are up to at this level of the game. :)
Well, is this passenger kidnapped? no? then the passenger is willing to take on the risk and if he kills both of them, who cares... that was the risk they both took. If there are many people on the road then the fine should go up should it not? I'm mostly concerned for the risk he presents to the other people on the road

[InfiniteNothing]

When i was driving to tahoe 2 weeks ago the highway was so fogged up you couldn't see two yards in front of you, but everyone was going 90mph, now thats stupid.
Very stupid, but I'd like to note that it's been proven that fog makes you think you're going slower than you are. Try it some time.

[DankNstickY]

yea i'm with IN on the 'what if there arent any other cars on the road' because i'd think its a bit hard to go 145 with cars around dont ya think? he'd have to be weaving in and out of lanes since the others arent going to miraculously clear the lane for him.

[Merlin]

Well he didn't hit anyone or cause an accident so as far as I'm concerned he was fine. As long as you don't cause trouble I don't really care how fast you go.

[Chgoman]

The problem is when you are going 145, you are much more likely to cause an accident than if you are going 80 or something. At that speed, you could easily loose control or even blow a tire and end up on the other side of the road where there may be cars you weren't considering since they aren't in they way.

When it comes down to it, whether you feel its okay or not, the main thing is most of us are going to speed whether it is 10 MPH over or 50MPH over. People just need to step up and accept responsibility if they get caught. Any bets that this guy who's going 80 MPH over the speed limit is going 'f*#*( cops' and whining all the way to his mama?

[Merlin]

When it comes down to it, whether you feel its okay or not, the main thing is most of us are going to speed whether it is 10 MPH over or 50MPH over.
So if it a law that nobody is going to obey then why do we have it as a law in the first place? I disagree with you here. If it is a bad law, and the fact that nobody obeys it means it is a bad law, then why should we be so accepting of it when caught?

[Nanotech9]

"Nano probably hit 145 everytime he gets on his bike, lol."

lol, yep... my little 600 tops out around 155 - 160ish (actual... indicated is 186).

my friend's bike will do an actual 178mph (this would be like an indicated 220mph on a non-corrected speedometer). We're both fairly prolific riders (he's much better than I) and we try to make our choice of places and times as wise as possible when going that fast.

I dont have a problem with the guy in the WRX doing 145 as long as he isnt endangering anyone else, and actually has the experience necessary to drive at that speed. i.e. recognizing when it becomes unsafe to continue at those speeds because of possible road hazards, blind spots, curves, surface conditions, wind conditions, tire condition, whatever. If the car is safe mechanically, and the driver is mature mentally and prepared properly for the actions at hand, then its fine.

Yes, if you get caught, you pay your lics and move on.

Of course, this is only my opinion, and i'm a bit more of a daredevil than most, but mostly because of my experience. I wouldnt, say, take a boat out and start doing 120mph accross a lake right off the bat... i'de give myself a few years to work up to it and learn the ropes first. It would be stupid to just jump in it and shove the throttle to full and hope everything turned out ok.

[Eugene]

I wonder if the guy could write it off with traffic school... =P

[Chgoman]

So if it a law that nobody is going to obey then why do we have it as a law in the first place? I disagree with you here. If it is a bad law, and the fact that nobody obeys it means it is a bad law, then why should we be so accepting of it when caught?

Speed limits aren't bad laws. Yes, few people go exactly the speed limit, but having a posted speed limit does moderate most peoples driving. When the speed limit was 55 on LA freeways, most people went around 65. When they increased it to 65, most people now go around 75. Even if people aren't going the limit, it does provide a reference that most people base their speed off of. Part of what keeps people within a decent range of the speed limit is the fact that cops do write tickets to people who are speeding and we are all aware of the fact. When we speed, we know that if we get caught, we'll get a ticket (which is why the brake lights hit when a cop is sighted). Since we all know that we'll get a ticket if we're caught and we make the choice to do it anyway, we should take responsibility for our actions.

That's just how I feel and I know some people don't agree with that and that's okay. We'll all entitled to our opinions. :cheers:

[InfiniteNothing]

Speed limits aren't bad laws.

Autobahn seems to do well without them

[Nanotech9]

the autobahn has laws too... you have to be traveling OVER a certain speed in the fast lane to run it... you can be doing 130ish and have a Porsche or Ferrari just show up on your ass like you're going slow.

[Maarchk]

Autobahn seems to do well without them


It also doesn't have the same troubles that a mass highway does. I would say the number of people on a given freeway in the us is higher then the same freeway in germany.

[hapoo]

Autobahn seems to do well without them


1. never seen traffic on it
2. only portions that are safe have no limit
3. its MUCH MUCH smoother than our crappy pothole ridden highways
4. and most importantly, people there actually know how to drive!!! They'll move out of your way when you want to pass, they only pass on the left, they actually do the speed limit when there is one. Very respectful. Probably due to the fact that driving costs a lot more there than it does here, from gas to getting your license.

[InfiniteNothing]

1. never seen traffic on it
2. only portions that are safe have no limit
3. its MUCH MUCH smoother than our crappy pothole ridden highways
4. and most importantly, people there actually know how to drive!!! They'll move out of your way when you want to pass, they only pass on the left, they actually do the speed limit when there is one. Very respectful. Probably due to the fact that driving costs a lot more there than it does here, from gas to getting your license.
1. Thats a good thing no? Something we can strive for.
2. And they work well.
3. I never said there should be no limits anywhere
4. Cause or Effect? I'm sure just like us they have their bad drivers and good drivers. I think that we should really try and adopt some of the laws that promote the good driverism rather than succumb to the least common denominator

[InfiniteNothing]

It also doesn't have the same troubles that a mass highway does. I would say the number of people on a given freeway in the us is higher then the same freeway in germany.

Cause or effect?

[hapoo]

Cause or effect?

Think of it this way, it costs nothing to get a license here, gas is cheap, and you can get a crappy old car for cheap. Over there you have to pay from what i was told $2000+ JUST to get a license so that cuts out a lot of younger drivers, gas is expensive so people don't drive as much and cars are taxed like crazy. All of this combined with the fact that public transportation is relatively cheap and very accessable makes for uncrowded highways.

[BrewMaster]

um, it doesn't cost $2K to get a license in Belgium, I know that for sure. In Belgium it is just like getting your license here. Having driven on the Autobahn myself I have to say that that system would not work here for many of the reasons mentioned above. people are too stupid and/or disrespectful on the roads to have a no speed limit area. we hit about 240 Kmh (you do the math) on the autobahn when we could. there was actually "traffic" that day. Not LA style traffic, but not a wide open freeway. There were a few porshces that came by us and kept their speed up. that left lane is only for people who deserve the left lane. here, any old grandma will sit at 65 mph in the far left lane. there it is just not done. no one needs to tell people to get out of the way, they just do.

[Houdini]

um, it doesn't cost $2K to get a license in Belgium, I know that for sure. In Belgium it is just like getting your license here. Having driven on the Autobahn myself I have to say that that system would not work here for many of the reasons mentioned above. people are too stupid and/or disrespectful on the roads to have a no speed limit area. we hit about 240 Kmh (you do the math) on the autobahn when we could. there was actually "traffic" that day. Not LA style traffic, but not a wide open freeway. There were a few porshces that came by us and kept their speed up. that left lane is only for people who deserve the left lane. here, any old grandma will sit at 65 mph in the far left lane. there it is just not done. no one needs to tell people to get out of the way, they just do.

I've never driven on it, but I have heard about the rather strict laws on the Autobahn. The enforced "left lane is for passing" law would be great here. I hate zipping along on the interstate and coming up on someone doing 15 under the limit in the left lane. And if there's traffic in the right lane and you use the "flash to pass" lights while behind the left-lane guy, assuming inattention, many idiots will hit their brakes and make obscene gestures. People feel impervious in their steel and glass bubbles and forget how to be polite. If we could import that law and enforce it as strictly as we do speed limits, I'd imagine a lot of bottlenecking and traffic jams would be cured. :shrug:

[hapoo]

"The driving test is administered by a driving school (Fahrschule), but those taking it won't necessarily be treated as beginning drivers. Many schools have set up simplified courses for experienced drivers, which will cost you about €185 as opposed to the €1,035 that a beginner would have to pay. If a school tells you it doesn't offer such a course, find one that does. "
- http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:HI-yvh8_R9AJ:www.howtogermany.com/pages/driving.html+cost+driving+germany&hl=en

not 2k, but not cheap either

[BrewMaster]

well, in CA you have to have a driver's training course to get your license if you want it before you are 18 years old. I don't know how much my parents paid for the course, but it was probably around $100 or so. That's just a guess.