Why I want to KILL myself

[ray]

So, many of you already know my problems and issues with my current employer/job. I won't name names, but I'm sure you can figure out who I work for from reading some of my other posts or from talking to me off the boards. Anyway, in all honesty I am a workaholic. I love working more than school, partying, drinking, etc. But, my current situation has driven me to the point where I hate work and dread the thought of work. Back in August, I think I posted something about how I threatened to quit my job if they didn't give me a promotion and raise. Well, the company met my demands 2 days later and gave me what I wanted (for the most part). In August, I was upset about the money and they fixed that situation. This time around though, their lack of support for my team/group has been unacceptable, driving me to the point where I AM going to quit my job because they do not deserve my effort, time, and dedication.

If you have read the entertainment headlines in the past year, you will know that the largest company in the world bought out one of the largest entertainment companies. I was an employee of the entertainment firm for about 7 months prior, working 60 hour work weeks, learning a lot, getting exposure to presidents of the company and being handed responsibilities I would not receive anywhere else. I can honestly say that I was pretty happy with that situation, despite 12 hour days.

After the merger occured, **** hit the fan and things around the office got quite hectic. Everybody in my group was put into a position where we were effectively working 3 different jobs that were levels higher than what our titles suggested. To make matters worse, 1) we worked in the 1 division that was going through ALL of the integration, and 2) we worked in finance, which is the backbone of the acquiring firm. Compared to all of the other finance groups within the newly created entertainment division, our group works almost twice as long per week and have less staff than everybody else. There is an inherent problem when the 1 finance group that is actually integrating cross companies is working such long hours, when all the other finance groups get to leave at 6pm. I am typically the 1st or 2nd into the office and leave when the last person leaves. Since the merger occured, I have easily been averaging 70 hour work weeks. I have run my entire group for a total of 2.5 weeks (2 separate occasions) when nobody else was physically in the state/country. Back in August, I worked 42 days straight averaging at least 100 hours a week. Nobody else from one of the other groups was there on the weekends and nobody offered to help me. This was just after my manager had left for a competing firm and I had to step up into her position and also do mine. After that stretch is when I threatened to quit the first time.

I took the promotion and raise in August and decided to stay with the company for a few more months with hopes that things would get better for me. They didn't replace my manager immediately, so I was reporting directly to a CFO. But, that also meant that my workload was now my former manager's job and my analyst job. A few months of mayhem went by and I started looking for jobs in October. I was one of the top prospects for a job with a cable network, but that fell through when they gave the offer to someone at a higher level than was advertised (they ended up making the position a manager's level to meet the candidate's qualifications). No hard feelings, and that is when I decided to wait until 2005 to make another decision. That time is now.

Last month we had our year-end financial close. I had been through this before, last year, with my old group (my entire group has since left the company). I am the last one remaining from the group that was intact during the 2003 close process. My current boss had received upper mgmt approval to take a vacation during the close process when he signed his contract in march. That left me and my manager to do all the work, while the other 2 people from the parent company focused on their accounting issues for year end close. Normally, 2 people can handle all the data validation and approvals, but some idiot in upper management thought it would be wise to send my manager to NYC on an emergency meeting for 1.5 weeks (she had to take 2 separate trips in 10 days). Of course nobody thought about what the hell would happen to me during that 1.5 weeks. Well, they left me alone for the year end financial close. I am glad they really trust me to do the work (I know that I am more than capable of doing it), but given the time constraints and lack of hours in the day, I was pretty much ****ed for that 1.5 weeks. I worked from 8-midnight everynight for 8 days straight to get everything done because nobody thought about the lack of resources. They didn't realize that by pulling 1 person away (with 1 person on approved vacation) that it would be painful for the last person standing. Of course that last person standing is ALWAYS me. How so?

1) I am typically the 1st or 2nd person into the office (between 8am - 8:30am) and leave when the last person leaves (at the earliest 8pm).
2) I have been left alone in the office for 1 week during our Q2 close and for 1.5 weeks during our full year close.
3) I was grossly underpaid compared to my counterparts coming from the parent company. I had to threaten to quit before they gave me something equivalent. This is something that my manager should have seen coming months prior.
4) I was doing my manager's and my analyst work for more than 6 months.
5) I am now on my 3rd supervisor. My first supervisor left 3 months after I started. My (then) manager became my supervisor and for 3 months we were the only two in the group. My third supervisor started 3 months after that, but was virtually ineffective since he was new to the industry. That left my manager and myself in the same position...2 of us doing 3 people's jobs. After the merger occured, my manager quit and i was told I would be moving to a different group. My complaint...that would be my 4th supervisor in less than a year...who the hell would be giving me my annual evaluation? Nobody thought of that. That's one of the reasons they didn't move me.
6) No other finance team in the entertainment division works as hard as we do, nor are they as strapped for heads as we are. We are the ONLY finance group that actually has to integrate resources. So why is it we don't get more resources when everybody else is leaving at 6pm?
7) I was given a 6 hour lecture on Integrity, yet upper management has continued to lie to my boss and to me directly about their directives and initiatives. I guess upper management was excluded from Integrity training.
8) Upper management is only around for another 1.5 years before they move onto a different position within the parent corporation. Instead of addressing issues that need to be fixed, they put bandaids on it. The only time upper management actually focuses on the real issues is when **** hits the fan. For guys who have to go through weeks of management training, they sure suck at it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out there's problems when you have 3 vice presidents telling you there is a problem.
9) They "promised" to make me a manager "soon" but they are not willing to give us more heads. Instead they are applying the band-aid and truly think that paying me more money will keep me there. They don't understand it's not about the money for anybody in my group. We all want to quit, and everybody knows that.

So, that's my situation in a nutshell. Yes, my issues have become personal issues. I have no life. Work is my life and I used to enjoy it. I can't even say anything positive in or outside of the office these days. Everytime I walk in there, I want to throw myself out the window (I work on the 30th floor) and wave to everybody on the way down.

I have decided that February 4th will probably be my last day with the company. I probably won't be looking for a new job between now and then, because I feel like I need a break from working, god knows I ****ing deserve a break. I will be going to Whistler to ski for a week in February and when I return I may take a few smaller trips and enjoy my life. After all that, maybe in March/April I will start looking for a new job.

Have any of you ever quit your job without something lined up? I have spoken with my family and relatives and it's split about 50/50. Surprisingly, my parents support my decision to just quit. They have heard how ****ed up my situation has been. Most people my age all tell me I would be crazy to quit without another job. Happiness is my number one priority now, and I will NEVER achieve that if I remain with my current employer.

[BrewMaster]

sorry, there's no way i'm reading that whole post. but i did read the last paragraph.

i've never quit a job without having anther job lined up. but being unemployed is good motivation to look for a new job.

[Maarchk]

Ray,

I was in a similar situation. I told my bosses i was unhappy by the lack of persons to do the job, and by the lack of support from management. So i got a raise. Yeah! for like a day or two until i realize that i show up 2 hours early, leave an hour behind everyone, haven't taken a sick day in 2 years and actually had to call my girlfriend and tell her i had to work through our planned vacation. And for what? Nothing i could see. so yeah, i quit do to extreme unhappiness. I actually lost 2 of my good friends because i was so miserable at the end of everyday that i would attack them personally for no reason. So i quit do to my unhappiness, and i did not have another job lined up. I just knew i had become a person that i was not happy with and i left. i think your situation is more extreme then mine but i feel for you and i totally think you are doing the right thing. Umm can i ask a couple questions like how long have you worked for these people and what is your "official title"

Anyways, i hope you find a job where you are respected and appreciated, as i believe that is truly what makes an employee want to make a difference in a company.

[Gothic Girl]

I've quit a couple jobs without having anything lined up. I figure being unemployed is better than the stress. But then again, I job hop. I still haven't found a right match.

[ray]

Ray,
Umm can i ask a couple questions like how long have you worked for these people and what is your "official title"

Anyways, i hope you find a job where you are respected and appreciated, as i believe that is truly what makes an employee want to make a difference in a company.

Been there since September 29, 2003. Was hired as a Financial Analyst. Promoted to Sr. Financial Analyst and given a 30% raise in August 2004. They "promise" to make me a Manager "soon" which would pretty much mean a 30% pay increase again.

[Hypnotist]

You've sold me... get out as soon as you're able. Enjoy some time for yourself, and start fresh when you're good and ready... employment search completed or not. Yes I've done that... I'm doing it as I write. Quit 12 1/2 years marketing for the same company. It took my health away. Don't allow that to happen to you. I read the entire post and you definitely need to back off some. My stress level is still pretty high because I'm starting a new venture now, but I choose what, when and where, and I have only me and my maker to answer to. Obviously by your post you're a bright man and a valuable asset. You'll do GREAT no matter what... so again... Get OUT and don't worry!
IMHO

[Maarchk]

Hmm well i read through a couple hundred posts and i found out you talk abotu a lot of stuff but only mention work occasionally... hehe but thats probably best for you so you dont go crazy... By the way, did you go to BC? My brother graduated there in 98' and i used to hang out and play ball there... That would be funny if i had met you then but didn't know. oh well. getting back to the topic, can i ask if this is your first job and or what degrees you have?

[Jenny]

You know I'm here for you hon! And I already told you how I feel. If you need someone to rant to, let me know, ok?

[look_ma]

Not looking at the main issue here, but becareful about planning a vacation too close to after to plan to stop working. Usually people who go from working mad hours to relaxing, their bodies go to udder crap. Happened to one of my managers, she finally got a 2 week vation and spent 10 days of it sick at home.

[gear02]

I think you should try to force their hands again. If you are planning on leaving in Feb, why not give management an ultimatum. Promote me and increase my salary a bunch or I'll leave. If they say no, then you're good. But if they meet your demands, you might be much better off.

You sound like you're extremely valuable. Use that to your advantage. Walking away without doing so may be a loss of an opportunity.

[look_ma]

I think you should try to force their hands again. If you are planning on leaving in Feb, why not give management an ultimatum. Promote me and increase my salary a bunch or I'll leave. If they say no, then you're good. But if they meet your demands, you might be much better off.

You sound like you're extremely valuable. Use that to your advantage. Walking away without doing so may be a loss of an opportunity.


But he also needs more staff, alot more staff. you could pay me 100,000 and I could only work 100 hour weeks for so long and only take so much BS. but gear02 is right, give an ultimatime before you leave.

[eSDee]

Quit that ****ty ass job and move to San Diego. Finance is always in demand in this mutha****a.

[zippyjuan]

Your title is "Why I Want To Kill Myself", but it sounds like you already are! You need some sort of actual break- say at least three weeks (one will not be enough- it will just give you time to think about what you have to do yet). Whether that is just a vacation or a career change- you are certainly overdue! Save yourself! The company won't- unless you go out on stress leave. Talk with other friends in the industry discretely to see if they may be aware of any positions in other places. This is the most effective method of finding a new one if you go that direction. You might even decide to do something else for a change. At least you are taking control again! Good luck with eveything! There is more to life!

[revil]

not just a promotion and raise, but a ****ing vacation too. you definitly need one of those

[nickel]

that was too long to read. you need some cliffs at the bottom.

but whatever it all entails, i do hope you really aren't contemplating killing yourself.

[Kim]

I feel for you Ray, and I really hope things look up soon. I bet when you give your notice, they'll take notice and realize they can't lose you. Like my mama always says, "the only people who walk all over you are the ones you let".

Good luck whatever you decide!

[Kevster]

I see that bottle of Absinthe I got you in Europe is being put to good use!

Seriously, I had a similiar situation 5 years ago (Merlin know this quite well) and I was ready to quit several times before I suddenly happened upon my current employer and landed an engineering position before I gave my old employer my 2 weeks' notice. They virtually crapped their pants when I did that and asked me to stay on for another month and I negotiated a much higher rate for that.

I would have a sit-down with your CFO and carefully and plainly outline what you need and want. Be honest and matter-of-fact about it. I am sure your CFO will want some time to try and see what he/she can do. If they don't give you more than 67% of what you want give your 2-weeks notice immediately (or quit without 2-weeks' notice to have an even greater impact). I know that might sound harsh but if you want to send them a message about what they are doing to you, that would be it. You might want to make sure you have a nice resignation letter handy outlining in a diplomatic fashion exactly why you're leaving. I did that and it caused a large "ripple effect" at my old employer - they made a many sweeping changes when I left because all of my statements were quite valid and needed to be addressed asap or else they were going to lose many more people the same way.

[oblongmelon]

First and foremost-your health is the most important thing-and to be honest-I read your post and you sound completely fried...Now maybe it's me, but it seems like having a stroke, or dropping dead from high blood pressure is not a better option than leaving the job and finding something else..with your apparent qualifications, finding something new shouldn't be too hard...but just remember-make the employers you start contacting meet your needs-not you meeting theirs..this is so important in the business world anymore..if you say "I'm worth XXX amount of dollars"..and they say..well we are only offering you "this much"..and it's less than what you have asked for...then tell them to blow. That's the first footprint they would put on your back to walking ALL over you if you accepted their offer..chances are..they'll rethink their decisions and meet your demands..as far as the place where you are now..sounds to me like they have beat you into the ground with a sharp stick. Now you can burn your bridges and walk out and leave them high and dry, but the best option is to give them notice...Good luck=and for God's sake CHILL OUT...you're tighter than a nipple clamp on a stripper.

[cheapie]

I see that bottle of Absinthe I got you in Europe is being put to good use!

Seriously, I had a similiar situation 5 years ago (Merlin know this quite well) and I was ready to quit several times before I suddenly happened upon my current employer and landed an engineering position before I gave my old employer my 2 weeks' notice. They virtually crapped their pants when I did that and asked me to stay on for another month and I negotiated a much higher rate for that.

I would have a sit-down with your CFO and carefully and plainly outline what you need and want. Be honest and matter-of-fact about it. I am sure your CFO will want some time to try and see what he/she can do. If they don't give you more than 67% of what you want give your 2-weeks notice immediately (or quit without 2-weeks' notice to have an even greater impact). I know that might sound harsh but if you want to send them a message about what they are doing to you, that would be it. You might want to make sure you have a nice resignation letter handy outlining in a diplomatic fashion exactly why you're leaving. I did that and it caused a large "ripple effect" at my old employer - they made a many sweeping changes when I left because all of my statements were quite valid and needed to be addressed asap or else they were going to lose many more people the same way.


:stupid: you have absolutely nothing to lose if you are going to quit anyway. and i not talking about just demanding more money.

you're WAY too freakin' young to be this stressed out. you don't even own a house, have a wife or kids yet. 100 hour weeks? i have only worked 70 hours maybe 4 times in my life. that's insanity. you're way too cool of a person to put yourself through this.

btw, i read the whole post. ;)

[attgig]

Hey bro. sorry to hear about all that crap... the accounting group in my company regularly works similar hours to what you're saying....and finally, too many people started to quit to go to other places where it's a little easier..... so, the managers did the unthinkable.... they hired more people to ease the workload....

I think you should give an ultimatum..promote you to manager and allow you to hire 2-3 new people to take over work. you'll supervise them, and handle all the finance stuff for that company. and you report directly to the CFO...none of the extra layer of middle management crap. I think it would be good to have that title of management before you leave so that when you stick your resume somewhere else, they don't put you in the bottom of the totem pole. If you leave as a manager, you'll more than likely have a better offer next time around.

if they don't meet your demands...yeah, you should quit. give your 2 week notice...start working 9 hour days for your last 2 weeks.... and have a great vacation. =)

[Cantacuzene]

Workaholics should run their own business. Seriously, I know that many small businesses fail because the owners don't work hard enough themselves (I've been employed by two small businesses that failed for just that reason) and it seems like you enjoy work enough to make one sucessful. Why work 70 hour weeks for someone else's gain?

[cheapie]

:stupid: very well said. that's why i don't own my own business. i don't work hard enough. lol.

[caribiner23]

Ray, you need to decide what's important to you. If it's the money, then focus on that, but be aware that a lot of managers will slap the golden handcuffs on you and then bleed you.

I went through a situation where I gave up everything for a job-- and every time I complained I was given another check. At some point, I realized that my mental and physical health- along with the people in my life-- were more important than the money.

[kimchicowboy]

i'm with the others that say to talk ot the CFO and straight up say what's going on and what you want. yupp, nothing to lose. work it baby! :P

[BrewMaster]

man, whatever happens, someone needs to take ray out for hookers and beer.

[ray]

Hmm well i read through a couple hundred posts and i found out you talk abotu a lot of stuff but only mention work occasionally... hehe but thats probably best for you so you dont go crazy... By the way, did you go to BC? My brother graduated there in 98' and i used to hang out and play ball there... That would be funny if i had met you then but didn't know. oh well. getting back to the topic, can i ask if this is your first job and or what degrees you have?

Graduated BC in 2002. Used to play ball with Doug Flutie over at the rec center. heh.

Finance and Economics degrees and have worked in Accounting, Cash Management and Finance the past 3 years (was working 30 hours a week at Thomson Financial doing Accounting work while I was in school. I consider that a full time job).


Workaholics should run their own business. Seriously, I know that many small businesses fail because the owners don't work hard enough themselves (I've been employed by two small businesses that failed for just that reason) and it seems like you enjoy work enough to make one sucessful. Why work 70 hour weeks for someone else's gain?

Oh, believe me. The only reason I am working for someone else is so that I can save enough capital to start my own business. I WILL have my own business in the next couple years and I WILL work my ass into the ground to make it succeed. Just need to save a bit more money before I dive into that sea.

[BrewMaster]

then you'll have money to take everyone else out for hookers and beer, right?

[Cantacuzene]

Maybe he could start a hooker and beer company?

[BrewMaster]

i can help him get started on the beer side. the hookers, well, he's on his own for that one.

[AlpineJay]

I agree wholeheartedly with what has been said. First of all if you are working that hard then you're obviously valuable to your company and they will presumably make good offers or give you what you want to have you stay onboard - at this point you've got nothing to lose so you might as well say what you want before you leave. Careful to not burn too many bridges, though - you may need these guys as a reference for a future position elsewhere so make your demands and I guess if they're not met, just leave as you seem mentally ready to do that. You do sound really stressed and beat out so this break is probably for all the best.

As for finding a position, I don't know where you're working nowadays but going back to Boston (if you're not already there) can be a good place to start looking for something in finance. From what you said I think you won't have too much trouble finding something after you leave. But yeah leave ASAP unless they really make an effort to keep you - you sound too stressed and can use a vacation!

[ray]

Maybe he could start a hooker and beer company?

If I move to Amsterdam I will do that. G|A gathering in Amsterdam!

[BrewMaster]

If I move to Amsterdam I will do that. G|A gathering in Amsterdam!
or you could move to Vegas or Atlantic City with that business plan. :D

[MrGreg]

One possible option is to just stop making the heroic efforts. Instead of working 70-100 hours /week, force yourself to leave every day after 9 hours. Stick to a 45-50 hour week. Make sure you prioritize to get the most important things done first, and everything else that doesn't get done?... doesn't get done.

That should give you some time to balance out your personal life a bit. When things slip and you get asked about it, say "I'm not doing the work of 2 (or 3) people for the pay of one". They could respond by:

a) Getting more people to help (win)
b) Firing your ass, unlikely (win? you already want to leave. Maybe get severance?)
c) Guilting you into working 100 hours/wk again. (lose)

If it's A you win. If B, it will take a while and you at least have more time while still working to find a new job. Be strong like bull and don't let C happen.

The same thing happened to me last August. I was working crazy hours for not enough pay and had absolutely no personal life. I forced myself to work from 8:30-6 and then looked for a new job from 6:30-8. I was able to recharge my batteries for a while and soon found a much better job. I also made sure my new job started 2 weeks after my last day at the old job so I got a little more down time.

[BrewMaster]

vectorcalculus, those are good suggestions. one thing to consider is that if you get fired by your employer for what they consider poor performance, you rarely get severance and you never get unemployment benefits. otherwise that is another good option.

[ray]

I have already addressed the issue of resources with my boss. He has been lobbying for at least 2 more heads in our group, but upper management doesn't see why we need them when all the other finance groups can work normalized work hours (upper mgmt is full of morons)

Back in August, I was told we would get a new head by year's end. They lied. In December, the CFO told me we would have a new head by end of January. They haven't posted a job listing and it hasn't even been approved by the corporate geniuses in HQ. Lies, Lies, Lies.

I have threatened once and I have expressed my opinions and discontent to no avail. My boss is fully supporting my efforts, but he too he is exhausted with fighting a useless fight. Upper management sees no reason to change and they will continue to lie to us so they look good while they're in their respective positions.

The thing that pisses me off is that we are the ONLY finance group that has such complaints. It seems all of the others are treated a whole lot better.

[guiseppewv]

Have any of you ever quit your job without something lined up? I have spoken with my family and relatives and it's split about 50/50. Surprisingly, my parents support my decision to just quit. They have heard how ****ed up my situation has been. Most people my age all tell me I would be crazy to quit without another job. Happiness is my number one priority now, and I will NEVER achieve that if I remain with my current employer.

I read your post and I do empathize with your situation. It really sucks to be in a position where you are overworked, underpaid, and underappreciated. :( I would not and have never quit a job without having another one lined up. As a matter of fact I rarely take time off (a day or 2 at a maximum) inbetween jobs. I would first find a new job and then quit the old one. I do agree that you need to take more vacations and more time off.

Dude, please don't stress too much about the job. I know this is easier said than done but look at it this way: You are a person who is the first one to work and the last one to leave, you have proven that you can handle your duties and the duties of a couple of other positions at the same time, so you will have no problem finding a better job. You just need to be patient and find the new job first. :)

[attgig]

if you want to go back to accounting, send me your resume...we can always use more people here...

[MrGreg]

vectorcalculus, those are good suggestions. one thing to consider is that if you get fired by your employer for what they consider poor performance, you rarely get severance and you never get unemployment benefits. otherwise that is another good option.

I've always wondered if they can fire you "for cause" simply because you aren't working 100 hours/wk. I mean it's not like I'm suggesting he slack off or surf the web while at work, just put in a "reasonable" work week. But he's not going to get severance or unemployment if he quits either, so it's not a big loss. Although it could to a certain degree burn some bridges.

Basically I'm suggesting to not just TELL them you are fed up and burnt out, SHOW them. Management hears stuff like this all the time. They won't act on it unless there is reason to. As long as you keep killing yourself, they have no reason to change anything.


"If you don't like your job, you don't quit. You go in there every day and do a really half ass job... that's the American way!" - Homer Simpson

[DarkFury]

I've quit a couple jobs without having anything lined up. I figure being unemployed is better than the stress. But then again, I job hop. I still haven't found a right match.

Honestly, I've felt the same way... however, with a 4 year old and a house note, I come back to my sense and drag my @ss back on it to work.

Sometimes...we just have to make the sacrifice. :shrug:


Job related stress is a mutha... and then you go home and deal with the other mutha. :angry: :2far:

[zenbooty]

Suicide is a highly overrated experience, son. Or so I've heard...

[Maarchk]

Good luck Ray. Let us know what you decide or if we can help in any way. I actually am job hunting at the moment. Looking to a field similar to yours or something like that. I just hope i dont make the mistake of ending up at your old job. ;)
And thats pretty cool, playing ball with doug flutie. I used to shoot hoops with troy bell... But yeah, i graduated out in pasadena in 02 with an econ degree and such.
So i think we are in similar hunts. Or well, you may be if they dont get their stuff together. You should tell them that since nothing is wrong with your department only having 2 people, that with one person it should be only slightly more work for that person and that they will be fine. ;)

[Devhux]

Your title is "Why I Want To Kill Myself", but it sounds like you already are! You need some sort of actual break- say at least three weeks (one will not be enough- it will just give you time to think about what you have to do yet). Whether that is just a vacation or a career change- you are certainly overdue! Save yourself! The company won't- unless you go out on stress leave. Talk with other friends in the industry discretely to see if they may be aware of any positions in other places. This is the most effective method of finding a new one if you go that direction. You might even decide to do something else for a change. At least you are taking control again! Good luck with eveything! There is more to life!

I would have to agree with you 100%. Back in June of 2004, I had a similar situation (running around at work, tiring myself out, doing way more than I was capable), and it finally caught up to me. I ended up having to take a few weeks off for stress leave, and it really did help.

Of course I'm still with the same company, but that's changing really quick -- I've now come to fully realize that this company does not appreciate me, and I'm finding it harder and harder to work for them as a result. I understand that tends to be what a job is about, but I'll let a future job in my field tell me that. I need to find a job that I can actually enjoy, which means something computer-related would be just the thing. It doesn't matter whether I'm building computers, or doing tech support for various people -- it's something I love to do.

[caribiner23]

I've always wondered if they can fire you "for cause" simply because you aren't working 100 hours/wk.
I'm not sure which state you work in, ray, but be aware that a lot of states go by the "employment at will" rule, which means they can fire you for any reason.
HR departments in "at will" states are incredibly meticulous in their documentation, covering all bases to make sure dismissals don't look like anything actionable.

[Sir_Froggy]

Nothing i could see. so yeah, i quit do to extreme unhappiness. I actually lost 2 of my good friends because i was so miserable at the end of everyday that i would attack them personally for no reason. So i quit do to my unhappiness, and i did not have another job lined up. I just knew i had become a person that i was not happy with and i left.

due :)

and you know, since both caribiner and Gurux have the same avatar, I thought someone did a double post :P

[ray]

I'm not sure which state you work in, ray, but be aware that a lot of states go by the "employment at will" rule, which means they can fire you for any reason.
HR departments in "at will" states are incredibly meticulous in their documentation, covering all bases to make sure dismissals don't look like anything actionable.

Cali is one of the states that can fire at will. The beauty is, I know my supervisor will never fire me. I would love to go out in a blaze of glory though. I really want to be in a room with upper management so that I can give them a mouthful. Then walk out. How super that would be.

[Sir_Froggy]

Cali is one of the states that can fire at will. The beauty is, I know my supervisor will never fire me. I would love to go out in a blaze of glory though.

TIN FOIL OFFICE!! with pics

[DaFunkyUnit]

Cali is one of the states that can fire at will. The beauty is, I know my supervisor will never fire me. I would love to go out in a blaze of glory though. I really want to be in a room with upper management so that I can give them a mouthful. Then walk out. How super that would be.

i think you should give your supervisor/manager person a mouthful....

...of your ____. :D

[dsuds]

ray, I read your posts, and boy can I relate to that. May I suggest this movie for your review:

http://www.moviecovers.com/DATA/thumbs/films-o/OFFICE%20SPACE.jpg

Use it as a training manual.

[freebieprincess]

I was in a similiar postion once and dreaded going to work. I had never quit a job without having another and it was scary. But, I did it. As you say, you cannot put a dollar amount on happiness. I took a little break and then did temp work for a couple months until I landed a job where I can be happy. I wish you luck and get some rest!!!!

[ray]

I just gave my 2 week notice. Next Friday will be my last day of unhappiness...which means the SoCal get together the following day is going to be AWESOME!

[gear02]

I just gave my 2 week notice. Next Friday will be my last day of unhappiness...which means the SoCal get together the following day is going to be AWESOME!

woo! :) congrats...what were their reactions?

[ray]

woo! :) congrats...what were their reactions?

The **** hasn't hit the fan yet, but I haven't told anybody else except my CFO. I am making calls now to everyone else. Let the fun begin.

[gear02]

The **** hasn't hit the fan yet, but I haven't told anybody else except my CFO. I am making calls now to everyone else. Let the fun begin.

Keep us apprised :)

[faither]

Good luck leaving the poison behind!!!! I'm sure there are brighter days ahead.

[bbrian]

After killing myself for my last employer then getting laid off when they sold our division, I decided it wasn't worth it. My new motto is: I work to live, I don't live to work. I'm much happier now.

Congrats on the future freedom and good luck with the job hunt!

[Maarchk]

I just gave my 2 week notice. Next Friday will be my last day of unhappiness...which means the SoCal get together the following day is going to be AWESOME!

Congratulations and good luck Ray. I think you way did the right thing. Let me know if i can do anything to help you out. Take you out for dinner or something. I'm gonna miss the gathering because i am getting my mba. But i am sure it will be awesome in large part to you.

[TofuNinja]

Good luck Ray. You have my support for whatever it is worth :)

[Kevster]

I just gave my 2 week notice. Next Friday will be my last day of unhappiness...which means the SoCal get together the following day is going to be AWESOME!

I have seen people literally die because of their jobs due to the stress it caused and trust me - you are probably putting another 10 years back on your lifetime by doing this!

I will definitely buy you a beer at the gathering to celebrate your first day of freedom!
:cheers:

[guiseppewv]

Congrats!!!! :cheers: I am happy for you that you are leaving that crap behind. You will feel much better now. :) Happy days. :)


I work to live, I don't live to work.

:stupid:

[nickel]

Happy days. :)


nice one Potsie :D
http://www.zapster.it/pic/ppl/AnsonWilliams.jpg

[INeedAVacation]

Well, it sound pretty unfortunate that you are wasting your life at work. Literally, all your focus is on that stupid job. I don't knw if you've thought about this but, you only live one time and you could die tomorrow from a heart attack from working so hard or by being hit by a train, etc. If you died now, would you regret how you chose to spend all your time? It doesn't sound like you live now. Its one thing to take pride in a job well done but quite another to live for the sole purpose of working at your job. Don't put too much significants into what you do at work-the place will function without you, it did before you worked there and it will when you no longer do; you are not irreplaceable and you are not that important.-None of us are. People like yourself need to realize that while you still can. Search for a job which has decent pay and is HOURLY so your workaholic self can not pour your every waking minute into the work and actually you'll have to get a real life.

p.s. listen to bbrian. also, don't burn your bridges with going in a "blaze of glory". After working so many hours and being so dedicated you should be able to get letters of recomendation.

[ray]

Don't put too much significants into what you do at work-the place will function without you, it did before you worked there and it will when you no longer do;

Hahahahaha. If only you knew my friend, if only you knew.

[INeedAVacation]

p.p.s. This is another reason I like Union. You come to work for eight hours, take pride in your work, and get the job done well. The working conditions are much more improved than un-organized shops. When you go home, you usually don't go to collapse but to spend quality time living.

www.Teamster.org
www.SEIU.org
www.OPEIU.org
www.UFCW.org
www.Local30.org (OPEIU Local 30, my Union)
[email protected] -my email for any questions I may be able to help with.

I didn't insert this to start a debate on this issue, only to offer this as a possible solution for thought to people in similiar boats as Ray.

[INeedAVacation]

Hahahahaha. If only you knew my friend, if only you knew.

My intention is to be helpful, not hurtful here. I understand you feel the company will suffer horribly without you, and yes, I'm sure it may be an inconvenience to them initially, but life will go on there without you. Just as life will go on if any one of us were to leave our jobs.

It will survive without you. It does not NEED you. I know right now you can give me a million reasons why your company will suffer without you but the fact is it existed without you before you came to work there. It will exist after you have left. You need to not devote 100% of Ray into a 'job'. You need to grow into more than just a 'dedicated worker' and grow into a person. When people die and look back their lives do you think they say, "Gee, I really wish I would have spent more time at work."

[Airencracken]

Good luck ray!

[guiseppewv]

Hahahahaha. If only you knew my friend, if only you knew.

I think he was trying to say that although they might struggle at first without you or go through a difficult time at first without you they will keep on keepin' on. I have seen people that were the heart and soul of a company leave and the company still survives. The place usually isn't as enjoyable and it doesn't operate as smoothly w/o that person but it still manages to go on.

Again, congrats for kicking that POS of a company to the curb!!!!!


p.p.s. This is another reason I like Union. You come to work for eight hours, take pride in your work, and get the job done well. The working conditions are much more improved than un-organized shops. When you go home, you usually don't go to collapse but to spend quality time living.

www.Teamster.org
www.SEIU.org
www.OPEIU.org
www.UFCW.org
www.Local30.org (OPEIU Local 30, my Union)


Please, save your union plug for someplace else.

[INeedAVacation]

I think he was trying to say that although they might struggle at first without you or go through a difficult time at first without you they will keep on keepin' on. I have seen people that were the heart and soul of a company leave and the company still survives. The place usually isn't as enjoyable and it doesn't operate as smoothly w/o that person but it still manages to go on.

Again, congrats for kicking that POS of a company to the curb!!!!!



Please, save your union plug for someplace else.


You started off with a fine interpretation of my opinion regarding the company not needing any single person. But then you derailed.

Excuse you, the "union plug", as you called it, is part of my opinion and my advice. I have just as much right to give my advice and opinion here as any one else does (i.e. you). I'd appreciate your not disrespecting my advice by name calling and telling me to save my advice for somewhere else; that's plain rude. Choose to read it or not read it, agree with it or not agree with it, but to assert that my opinion is not worthy of being posted here is flat out wrong.

[nickel]

are you a union steward INeedAVacation?

[INeedAVacation]

are you a union steward INeedAVacation?

Not that it is relevant to whether I should post information which I think could be helpful to someone or not but, yes. I was asked to be a Steward in the Union I am a member of. It is an unpaid position which has rewards, none of which are monetary. The Union I am a member of is the one I posted last, but not least, in a previous post. I recommend people do some research into various Unions and make an educated decision (as opposed to the decision many make based on ignorance and a poor stereotypical view of being Organized) as to whether they think it would be a benefit or not for them to Organize in their workplace.

I have no issue with people who state a case as to why, they believe, it would be better for them to not be organized. I do take issue when an assertion is made that it is not appropriate for me to voice my opinion and that it would have been better had I shut up. Again, agree or disagree but to tell someone their advice and opinion is unworthy and they should have kept it to themselves is inconsiderate.

[ray]

I believe Unions in many of today's industries are utterly useless. A Union should remain in place where people's lives are constantly physically at risk (ie: construction, mining, working oil rigs). Unions are ineffective and promote inefficiencies in areas such as supermarkets. Next time you're in a supermarket and you see about 200 people lined up in all of the lines, just remember that it's the inefficiency of the Union workers/managers to figure out a system to shorten those lines.



Please, save your union plug for someplace else.

Oh yeah, I agree with guiseppewv.

[guiseppewv]

Excuse you, the "union plug", as you called it, is part of my opinion and my advice. I have just as much right to give my advice and opinion here as any one else does (i.e. you). I'd appreciate your not disrespecting my advice by name calling and telling me to save my advice for somewhere else; that's plain rude. Choose to read it or not read it, agree with it or not agree with it, but to assert that my opinion is not worthy of being posted here is flat out wrong.

I wouldn't have a problem with it if you didn't plug your union and unions in general in almost every thread you visit.



Ray, I am sorry if I derailed your thread.

[ray]

Ray, I am sorry if I derailed your thread.

No worries homie. I derail threads all the time with pointless posts :)

[Kevster]

On a completely different tangent to derail the previous thread derailment,

There's a new season of Absolutely Fabulous coming soon.
http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader/uploads/_1701527_abfab150.jpg

[INeedAVacation]

I wouldn't have a problem with it if you didn't plug your union and unions in general in almost every thread you visit.



Ray, I am sorry if I derailed your thread.


I don't care if you are, "sick of every thread [I] get into [that I] mention Union this or Union that" as you (guiseppewv) stated in a pm to me. I recommend you don't read my posts then, but I also recommend you not to be rude if you do read them. This is a 'forum' for discussions. They need not be filled with the rude behavior you exhibited.

Ray, I support your opinion even though I do not agree with it; it is yours to have. I do, however, hope that your decision is based on real knowlege of Unions and not an incorrect assumption. My opinion is that it is not. Again, I respectfully disagree but your opinion is just as valid to be written here by you as my opinion is to be here written by me.

[ray]

Ray, I support your opinion even though I do not agree with it; it is yours to have. I do, however, hope that your decision is based on real knowlege of Unions and not an incorrect assumption. My opinion is that it is not. Again, I respectfully disagree but your opinion is just as valid to be written here by you as my opinion is to be here written by me.

Please justify why there are 17 year old high school dropouts working at Supermarkets making more money than Accountants who graduated from an accredited 4-year college working for pretty much any company.

Regardless of Union/Non-Union you have absolutely no justification why high school dropouts should be paid more than college graduates.

I think most can agree that Unions do NOT belong in many industries.

Oh yeah, I respectfully disagree with your opinion and think that your attempts to inform everybody on the boards about Unions is backfiring greatly. Good job in promoting the Unions. I'm sure the leaders of the Union are thankful you have turned many of us away already.

[INeedAVacation]

:hehehmm:
I wouldn't have a problem with it if you didn't plug your union and unions in general in almost every thread you visit.



Ray, I am sorry if I derailed your thread.

If I really wanted to promote Unions in every thread I visit, or initiate, I would have just created a link, or something to that end, in my signature........hey, thanks for the great idea! :hehehmm:

[psycho-]

You want to know a "WONDERFUL" example of the union at work?

We have a factory that is being moved. 12 miles, from one location to another in the state of virginia. Right now, the union workers have failed to fix a machine that they incorrectly assembled at the new location. This is cutting our production in 1/2.

On top of that, FIFTY PERCENT (50%) of our employees are "out sick" and not showing up to work anymore. We're primarily guessing that they don't want to drive 12 miles extra (or less). We're also guessing that most of them don't want to work more than 40 hours to meet our suddenly increased production demand and pressure.

What can we do? Fire them for not showing up? Nope! They're Union. We're essentially stuck as we are. those F**KTard Union folks are the ones laughing all the way to the bank in the end while a reputable company gets screwed over in the end.

[nickel]

I don't care if you are, "sick of every thread [I] get into [that I] mention Union this or Union that" as you (guiseppewv) stated in a pm to me. I recommend you don't read my posts then, but I also recommend you not to be rude if you do read them. This is a 'forum' for discussions. They need not be filled with the rude behavior you exhibited.

Ray, I support your opinion even though I do not agree with it; it is yours to have. I do, however, hope that your decision is based on real knowlege of Unions and not an incorrect assumption. My opinion is that it is not. Again, I respectfully disagree but your opinion is just as valid to be written here by you as my opinion is to be here written by me.
got a question for ya INeedAVacation: what does "pm" stand for?

[INeedAVacation]

Please justify why there are 17 year old high school dropouts working at Supermarkets making more money than Accountants who graduated from an accredited 4-year college working for pretty much any company.

Regardless of Union/Non-Union you have absolutely no justification why high school dropouts should be paid more than college graduates.

I think most can agree that Unions do NOT belong in many industries.

Oh yeah, I respectfully disagree with your opinion and think that your attempts to inform everybody on the boards about Unions is backfiring greatly. Good job in promoting the Unions. I'm sure the leaders of the Union are thankful you have turned many of us away already.

Want to ask me how utterly suprised I am that someone who sees more value in his/her time being invested at work than in his/her's personal life is against Organizing in the workplace? Someone who chooses to love work and performs it regularly 60 to 70 hours a week and prioritizes their life around work is not a person with their priorities in line with what should be. Most people work to live, you live to work. I can only lead the horse to water, I can't make it drink.

Incidentally, if a person with a BA degree is making less than a high school drop out, as in your example, I would think the person with the BA degree would be intelligent enough to determine what advantage the high school drop out has over him/her. If it came down to the difference being Union vs. Non-Union I would think an educated person would have a good idea of what his next move would be. Attempt to tear down the benefits of the supermarket employee or build up his/her own benefits; which seems more productful to you?

Also, if people are being 'turned away' from Organizing because of something I have said that's their choice. It's a foolish one, but theirs' to make. I, on the other hand, think it would be wiser to make the choice based on facts which can be easily researched.


got a question for ya INeedAVacation: what does "pm" stand for?

I apologize, I should have written it out as opposed to abbreviatig it; Near the top Right of your screen, where it says, "Welcome, Nickel" theirs the link to your "Private Messages"/pm.

[ray]

Want to ask me how utterly suprised I am that someone who sees more value in his/her time being invested at work than in his/her's personal life is against Organizing in the workplace? Someone who chooses to love work and performs it regularly 60 to 70 hours a week and prioritizes their life around work is not a person with their priorities in line with what should be. Most people work to live, you live to work. I can only lead the horse to water, I can't make it drink.

May I ask what your profession/title are? I'm very curious to see where your Union career path has taken you.

[bachviet]

May I ask what your profession/title are? I'm very curious to see where your Union career path has taken you.
Union boss??? :dead:

[nickel]

I apologize, I should have written it out as opposed to abbreviatig it; Near the top Right of your screen, where it says, "Welcome, Nickel" theirs the link to your "Private Messages"/pm.
you need to apologize to guiseppewv, not me.
pm means private message. you don't post details of a private message on the board like you just did. you exchanged PMs with guiseppewv and those words are meant for just you and him.

you talk about rudeness. there you have it.

[ray]

you talk about rudeness. there you have it.

The Union at its best! Join the Union and you too can be rude!

[nickel]

The Union at its best! Join the Union and you too can be rude!
and if someone is rude to you - file a grievance!

[psycho-]

and if someone is rude to you - file a grievance!

And then call in a sick day!

[INeedAVacation]

You want to know a "WONDERFUL" example of the union at work?

We have a factory that is being moved. 12 miles, from one location to another in the state of virginia. Right now, the union workers have failed to fix a machine that they incorrectly assembled at the new location. This is cutting our production in 1/2.

On top of that, FIFTY PERCENT (50%) of our employees are "out sick" and not showing up to work anymore. We're primarily guessing that they don't want to drive 12 miles extra (or less). We're also guessing that most of them don't want to work more than 40 hours to meet our suddenly increased production demand and pressure.

What can we do? Fire them for not showing up? Nope! They're Union. We're essentially stuck as we are. those F**KTard Union folks are the ones laughing all the way to the bank in the end while a reputable company gets screwed over in the end.

It's unfortunate that the machine you mentioned is not working because it was not assembled right. I don't see what the employees being Organized has to do with that legitimate concern, Union and Non-Union workers make errors.

Obviously, I don't know the specifics of the situation you briefly described here, but in regards to corrective action, I would think the contract agreed upon by both the Organized Employees and the Management should be consulted. Go by the agreement. As far as driving 12 extra miles (to work overtime?) I am in the dark here as far as what the Management can force upon their employees. If they are already working 40 hours a week, 8 a day, and you want them to drive another 12 miles (maybe 30 EXTRA minutes each way) to work (how many?) more hours I can see where some of the employees may not be thrilled with the idea of basically allowing work to consume their entire life. From what it sounds like in that senario, the employees don't want to be forced to perform 60-70 hour weeks like Ray. I don't know a whole lot of people who would. If I had more information my opinion may be different, but as I currently understand it, that's my opinion.


you need to apologize to guiseppewv, not me.
pm means private message. you don't post details of a private message on the board like you just did. you exchanged PMs with guiseppewv and those words are meant for just you and him.

you talk about rudeness. there you have it.

Are you really this childish?

[nickel]

Are you really this childish?
why? do you think privacy is childish? are you really that arrogant?

[psycho-]

Obviously, I don't know the specifics of the situation you briefly described here, but in regards to corrective action, I would think the contract agreed upon by both the Organized Employees and the Management should be consulted. Go by the agreement. As far as driving 12 extra miles (to work overtime?) I am in the dark here as far as what the Management can force upon their employees. If they are already working 40 hours a week, 8 a day, and you want them to drive another 12 miles (maybe 30 EXTRA minutes each way) to work (how many?) more hours I can see where some of the employees may not be thrilled with the idea of basically allowing work to consume their entire life. From what it sounds like in that senario, the employees don't want to be forced to perform 60-70 hour weeks like Ray. I don't know a whole lot of people who would. If I had more information my opinion may be different, but as I currently understand it, that's my opinion.


Last I checked, my company doesn't care where I live. If I want to be close to work, then so be it. If not, that's my choice. Why should a company take into consideration peoples' feelings about a slightly extended commute?

What the company is experiencing is people NOT showing up to work. It's not that they're even working overtime, it's that they're JUST NOT SHOWING UP TO WORK. That fact alone is considered inexcusible by my...or anyone's standards.

My opinion at this point is to fire all the poeple (not lay off, but fire them so they can't mooch off the state) , move the factory to China and be done with it. Instead, the company decides to keep a US plant and gets taken for a ride along the way.

[INeedAVacation]

why? do you think privacy is childish? are you really that arrogant?

Upon viewing guiseppewv's PUBLIC rude remark towards me I responded to him/her with essentially the same response in the forms of a "reply" in this public thread and as a "private message". I did so for several reasons which included, the fact that he/she may not visit this particular thread soon if ever and I wanted to ensure his/her knowledge of my unappreciativeness of his/her remark. I also wanted to make that (my) same response public, as his/her remark was. His/her sentiment was public and when he/she responded as to his/her motivation for his/her rude comment which he/she made in public I posted it in public. So, if you really want to hang your hat on that one, go for it. I think that would be a mistake and is something indicative of an immature person, and ignorant person. I'm not, "really that arrogant" I'm really that right.

[TofuNinja]

Wow... how did Ray wanting to leave work become the "I love/hate unions" Thread?

and on a side note, I love it when someone who gets owned fires back with a worthless comment in an attempt to make themselves look good. ;)

[INeedAVacation]

Last I checked, my company doesn't care where I live. If I want to be close to work, then so be it. If not, that's my choice. Why should a company take into consideration peoples' feelings about a slightly extended commute?

What the company is experiencing is people NOT showing up to work. It's not that they're even working overtime, it's that they're JUST NOT SHOWING UP TO WORK. That fact alone is considered inexcusible by my...or anyone's standards.

My opinion at this point is to fire all the poeple (not lay off, but fire them so they can't mooch off the state) , move the factory to China and be done with it. Instead, the company decides to keep a US plant and gets taken for a ride along the way.

Just like you said, that's your opinion. Neither you or I know all the facts, but instead just a brief description as provided by someone obviously not in agreeance with the workers. With only that perspective, I can't come to a definate decision like you did. I merely stated some possible circumstances from a much wider spectrum. Maybe whatever action the employees are taking is wrong, I don't know, and the fact is neither do you but you've already made up your mind.
If I spoke with your worst enemy, and he described you, and I didn't also listen to what your best friend (or anybody else had to say) I probably wouldn't like you. But then again, I wouldn't truly know you now would I?


Wow... how did Ray wanting to leave work become the "I love/hate unions" Thread?

and on a side note, I love it when someone who gets owned fires back with a worthless comment in an attempt to make themselves look good. ;)


I'm not sure you are referring to this exchange or some other:

Quote:
Originally Posted by nickel
why? do you think privacy is childish? are you really that arrogant?


Upon viewing guiseppewv's PUBLIC rude remark towards me I responded to him/her with essentially the same response in the forms of a "reply" in this public thread and as a "private message". I did so for several reasons which included, the fact that he/she may not visit this particular thread soon if ever and I wanted to ensure his/her knowledge of my unappreciativeness of his/her remark. I also wanted to make that (my) same response public, as his/her remark was. His/her sentiment was public and when he/she responded as to his/her motivation for his/her rude comment which he/she made in public I posted it in public. So, if you really want to hang your hat on that one, go for it. I think that would be a mistake and is something indicative of an immature person, and ignorant person. I'm not, "really that arrogant" I'm really that right.


But, regardless, I appreciate your perspective, but of course I am so unpopular at the moment, I don't necessarily agree with ya.

[ray]

Wow... how did Ray wanting to leave work become the "I love/hate unions" Thread?


I am totally going to blame myself. If I had joined a Union from the get go, I would never have needed to post this lame post about why I want to kill myself.

Lesson learned: Join the Union so the man doesn't own you!

[nickel]

Quote:
Originally Posted by nickel
why? do you think privacy is childish? are you really that arrogant?


Upon viewing guiseppewv's PUBLIC rude remark towards me I responded to him/her with essentially the same response in the forms of a "reply" in this public thread and as a "private message". I did so for several reasons which included, the fact that he/she may not visit this particular thread soon if ever and I wanted to ensure his/her knowledge of my unappreciativeness of his/her remark. I also wanted to make that (my) same response public, as his/her remark was. His/her sentiment was public and when he/she responded as to his/her motivation for his/her rude comment which he/she made in public I posted it in public. So, if you really want to hang your hat on that one, go for it. I think that would be a mistake and is something indicative of an immature person, and ignorant person. I'm not, "really that arrogant" I'm really that right.


But, regardless, I appreciate your perspective, but of course I am so unpopular at the moment, I don't necessarily agree with ya.
wow. you are really NOT that right.
i didn't make any mistakes here. you did. don't use your union tactics on me.

[INeedAVacation]

wow. you are really NOT that right.
i didn't make any mistakes here. you did. don't use your union tactics on me.

I regret that I used "Union Tactics" (Intelligence) on you.

I have no unreasonable expectation that what I send to another person via a "pm" is confidential and only to be read/heard by that one person. If I have a 'private discussion' with Joe (only Joe and I are present) and then I later share with Jesse what Joe and I discussed I don't find that to be contrary to any widely understood and accepted rule.
However, for sake of arguement and at best you have 'nailed' me on a technicality. Regardless, the truth of the matter is, if you really do 'have' me on this technicality and if his/her privacy truly is violated that is a biproduct of my only intention which was to assist in the understand of his/her motivation behind his/her intentional public rudness toward me.


Union boss??? :dead:

To receive the answer to your question, please refer to one of my previous responses in this thread. I have already answered it.

[nickel]

I regret that I used "Union Tactics" (Intelligence) on you.

I have no unreasonable expectation that what I send to another person via a "pm" is confidential and only to be read/heard by that one person. If I have a 'private discussion' with Joe (only Joe and I are present) and then I later share with Jesse what Joe and I discussed I don't find that to be contrary to any widely understood and accepted rule.
However, for sake of arguement and at best you have 'nailed' me on a technicality. Regardless, the truth of the matter is, if you really do 'have' me on this technicality and if his/her privacy truly is violated that is a biproduct of my only intention which was to assist in the understand of his/her motivation behind his/her intentional public rudness toward me.

man, that is a lot of bullshit written out just to admit you are at fault.
and you keep ranting about this "intentional public rudeness" directed towards you and what i clearly see is someone who can dish it but can't take it.

[yippiekiyeh]

Have any of you ever quit your job without something lined up? I have spoken with my family and relatives and it's split about 50/50. Surprisingly, my parents support my decision to just quit. They have heard how ****ed up my situation has been. Most people my age all tell me I would be crazy to quit without another job. Happiness is my number one priority now, and I will NEVER achieve that if I remain with my current employer.


Yes I have quit before having a job lined up. Yes it is a risk. But anything you do to become successful is a risk. You don't succeed unless you are willing to take risks.

This doesn't help you, but I do understand where you are coming from. Hang in there bro!

[INeedAVacation]

man, that is a lot of bullshit written out just to admit you are at fault.
and you keep ranting about this "intentional public rudeness" directed towards you and what i clearly see is someone who can dish it but can't take it.

:boxing:


Actually, I think I not only 'took it' well but I 'Dished it out' better.


Ironically, as several of you 'Unify' against me with relatively the same arguement, being Anti-Union, you assist in proving one of my main points; When we Organize and Bargain Collectively, we have more strength then when we are alone (i.e. The UNITED states of America where the President gives his state of the UNION address and the UNITED Nations, etc.)

[eSDee]

I agree with INAV! :shifty:

[nickel]

:boxing:


Actually, I think I not only 'took it' well but I 'Dished it out' better.


Ironically, as several of you 'Unify' against me with relatively the same arguement, being Anti-Union, you assist in proving one of my main points; When we Organize and Bargain Collectively, we have more strength then when we are alone (i.e. The UNITED states of America where the President gives his state of the UNION address and the UNITED Nations, etc.)
no, you did not take it well, because you keep going on and on and on about it. you say the same thing in 100 words that could be said in 10.
and it's fine to be Union proud my brother, but your arrogance is a big turn off.

[Jeffbx]

Incidentally, if a person with a BA degree is making less than a high school drop out, as in your example, I would think the person with the BA degree would be intelligent enough to determine what advantage the high school drop out has over him/her. If it came down to the difference being Union vs. Non-Union I would think an educated person would have a good idea of what his next move would be. Attempt to tear down the benefits of the supermarket employee or build up his/her own benefits; which seems more productful to you?

Ineed, where do you think that money comes from? The generosity of the business? "Oh, you've UNIONIZED! OK, we'll bow to your pressure & pay you more out of our extraordinarily deep pockets."

Every penny of overpayment gets passed along to you & me, the consumers. How shortsighted can you be? You're helping yourself to more money at the expense of the business & the customers of that business. Why do you think so many places are outsourcing these days? They can't afford to pay the artificially high wages that people are demanding.

Unions don't want wages to reflect the position, they don't want outsourcing, heaven forbid that any non-union members get hired - guess what? The only outcome to that is that the company will eventually fail, because they can't remain profitable that way.

There is certainly some usefulness in an organized workforce. However, pushing it as a means of a short workday & high pay will only be bad for everyone in the long term. As a union steward, you're epitomizing the typical stereotype by shouting, 'higher wages! shorter hours! short drive to work! Don't let the company rule your time!' At what expense? What expense to the company, what expense to the consumer, what expense to the marketplace?

How about focusing on some of the *actual* benefits? Improved health care, safer workplace, empowerment of the employees, etc. How about, 'take pride in your job, and do it well so you'll be better than your competitors!' Maybe, 'The more you invest in your job, the more you'll get out of it!' Or the one that no union member dares to speak of: 'You don't DESERVE a job, you EARN a job, and you work at doing well at it every day. Once you stop earning that job, you should be brushing up your resume because you're no longer helping your fellow employees do THEIR jobs well.'

/rant mode off

[gear02]

Ineed, where do you think that money comes from? The generosity of the business? "Oh, you've UNIONIZED! OK, we'll bow to your pressure & pay you more out of our extraordinarily deep pockets."

Every penny of overpayment gets passed along to you & me, the consumers. How shortsighted can you be? You're helping yourself to more money at the expense of the business & the customers of that business. Why do you think so many places are outsourcing these days? They can't afford to pay the artificially high wages that people are demanding.

Unions don't want wages to reflect the position, they don't want outsourcing, heaven forbid that any non-union members get hired - guess what? The only outcome to that is that the company will eventually fail, because they can't remain profitable that way.

There is certainly some usefulness in an organized workforce. However, pushing it as a means of a short workday & high pay will only be bad for everyone in the long term. As a union steward, you're epitomizing the typical stereotype by shouting, 'higher wages! shorter hours! short drive to work! Don't let the company rule your time!' At what expense? What expense to the company, what expense to the consumer, what expense to the marketplace?

How about focusing on some of the *actual* benefits? Improved health care, safer workplace, empowerment of the employees, etc. How about, 'take pride in your job, and do it well so you'll be better than your competitors!' Maybe, 'The more you invest in your job, the more you'll get out of it!' Or the one that no union member dares to speak of: 'You don't DESERVE a job, you EARN a job, and you work at doing well at it every day. Once you stop earning that job, you should be brushing up your resume because you're no longer helping your fellow employees do THEIR jobs well.'

/rant mode off

:thumb: Our client employs tons of union workers and I've seen so many of them do a pisspoor job or simply just surfing the web all day and then leaving early. Yet they get to keep their job AND pay more? That's wonderful.

[bachviet]

:thumb: Our client employs tons of union workers and I've seen so many of them do a pisspoor job or simply just surfing the web all day and then leaving early. Yet they get to keep their job AND pay more? That's wonderful.
Stop talking about me! :shifty:

[Kevster]

In another effort to derail this thread derailment and celebrate the fact that Ray is freeing himself from the So. California Entertainment Industry (non-porn), I declare this to be Boobie Friday!

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader/uploads/boobies.gif

[ray]

snip

I don't think I could have said it any better myself.

Once again, I am not completely anti-union. I have stated my position that there are industries that will always require unions. But there are clearly many other industries that have adopted unions as part of their culture and they are ineffective and they do promote inefficiency.


In another effort to derail this thread derailment and celebrate the fact that Ray is freeing himself from the So. California Entertainment Industry (non-porn), I declare this to be Boobie Friday!

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader/uploads/boobies.gif

boobies! i like boobies!

*are those union boobies though? i doubt she's getting paid enough for her boobies to appear online like this.

[DarkFury]

In another effort to derail this thread derailment and celebrate the fact that Ray is freeing himself from the So. California Entertainment Industry (non-porn), I declare this to be Boobie Friday!

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader/uploads/boobies.gif

/me is now "mesmerized" at my desk... staring at the.... booooo bies... :drool:

[attgig]

Ray. Congrats! Move to baltimore and work with me here. my company rocks! (only because i work here...obviously ;))

as for unions/non-unions... blah... unions have a great purpose and motivation....but then in the end...they way it works out doesn't always work out well... kinda like communism.

[INeedAVacation]

Ineed, where do you think that money comes from? The generosity of the business? "Oh, you've UNIONIZED! OK, we'll bow to your pressure & pay you more out of our extraordinarily deep pockets."

Every penny of overpayment gets passed along to you & me, the consumers. How shortsighted can you be? You're helping yourself to more money at the expense of the business & the customers of that business. Why do you think so many places are outsourcing these days? They can't afford to pay the artificially high wages that people are demanding.

Unions don't want wages to reflect the position, they don't want outsourcing, heaven forbid that any non-union members get hired - guess what? The only outcome to that is that the company will eventually fail, because they can't remain profitable that way.

There is certainly some usefulness in an organized workforce. However, pushing it as a means of a short workday & high pay will only be bad for everyone in the long term. As a union steward, you're epitomizing the typical stereotype by shouting, 'higher wages! shorter hours! short drive to work! Don't let the company rule your time!' At what expense? What expense to the company, what expense to the consumer, what expense to the marketplace?

How about focusing on some of the *actual* benefits? Improved health care, safer workplace, empowerment of the employees, etc. How about, 'take pride in your job, and do it well so you'll be better than your competitors!' Maybe, 'The more you invest in your job, the more you'll get out of it!' Or the one that no union member dares to speak of: 'You don't DESERVE a job, you EARN a job, and you work at doing well at it every day. Once you stop earning that job, you should be brushing up your resume because you're no longer helping your fellow employees do THEIR jobs well.'

/rant mode off

Excellent point! Where does the money come from? There is a huge amount of company profits which is paid to the Corporate Staff. For example, look at the Wages and other benefits such as the Stock Options and "Golden Parachutes" provided to the CEO's of various companies. A recent example: Look up the Golden Parachute the ex-CEO of HP will receive.
In summary, no, higher wages don't necessarily indicate higher prices. Incidentally, a lower price at the cash register doesn't always reflect the actual price paid for the merchandise; taxpayers provide a subsidy through various programs which provide needed assistant to workers at companies such as Walmart. While the company Corporate Staff collect enormous paychecks, its us taxpayers who end up needed by the Employees to help them bridge the gap between what they are paid and what they need to live.


I agree with INAV! :shifty:

I'm tempted to believe you're sincere, if so, thanks, I'm glad to hear it.



boobies! i like boobies!

*are those union boobies though? i doubt she's getting paid enough for her boobies to appear online like this.


I agree.

[eSDee]

I'm tempted to believe you're sincere, if so, thanks, I'm glad to hear it.



I don't actually, but it looked like you needed some backup. ;)

[INeedAVacation]

I don't actually, but it looked like you needed some backup. ;)

Ah, well ok, thanks...I think.

p.s.

www.Teamsters.org
www.UFCW.org
www.SEIU.org
www.OPEIU.org
www.IUOE.org
www.Local30.org

:wavey2:

[speedracer120]

UFCW can kiss my ass

[bachviet]

If my company has union, we probably will not get anything done in time or right the first time. :eek: We would always be behind our projects and I won't have a job anymore.

[Jeffbx]

Excellent point! Where does the money come from? There is a huge amount of company profits which is paid to the Corporate Staff. For example, look at the Wages and other benefits such as the Stock Options and "Golden Parachutes" provided to the CEO's of various companies. A recent example: Look up the Golden Parachute the ex-CEO of HP will receive.

Yeah, I FULLY agree that in large corporations there is blatant abuse of power in terms of boards & C-levels over-compensating themselves. But that's beside the point.

First of all, there is no way that a company is going to cut salaries of one group to increase pay of another group. That just won't happen.

Second, just because a few huge corporations are flushing cash down the toilet by overcompensating doesn't mean that small to medium sized (or even other large) companies have that same amount of cash to waste.

I still maintain that forcing higher than market pay to employees will hurt the business in the long run, in a majority of cases. This is one of the main reasons why manufacturing in the US cannot compete with many other countries.


taxpayers provide a subsidy through various programs which provide needed assistant to workers at companies such as Walmart. While the company Corporate Staff collect enormous paychecks, its us taxpayers who end up needed by the Employees to help them bridge the gap between what they are paid and what they need to live.

Walmart is a perfect example of a company that DOES need a union. Shady hiring practices, strong-arming suppliers, forcing smaller privately owned companies out of business, poor health care coverage, crappy wages, all while the owners remain some of the richest people in the WORLD. I will never shop at that abomination. I'm pretty sure the Walton family has some sort of pact with Lucifer.

[cheapie]

:stupid: i have no problem w/the employees of wal-mart trying to organize. they need it a ton more than auto workers.

[guiseppewv]

Wow... how did Ray wanting to leave work become the "I love/hate unions" Thread?

and on a side note, I love it when someone who gets owned fires back with a worthless comment in an attempt to make themselves look good. ;)

:stupid:

Someone got owned. :)



http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader/uploads/boobies.gif

:drool: ummm....what were you saying? :D

[INeedAVacation]

When I read things like "got owned" it reminds me of kids in elementary school trying to impress each other on the playground. Maybe you could throw in some, "ooohhhhh burrrrrnnn"s....


As my perspective on Organized labor is obviously in the minority of this particular thread I'm reminded of an important philosophy I live by:

Stand for what is right even if it means standing alone.


And, for the few who have contact me at [email protected], thanks for your questions and comments. Anyone else interested in contacting me through my email, please feel free. If I can, I'll be glad to help with any of your questions or to read your comments.

[eSDee]

What did you think about the boobies though?

[bachviet]

What did you think about the boobies though?
I can't answer for him but I love boobies! :D :drool:

[nickel]

When I read things like "got owned" it reminds me of kids in elementary school trying to impress each other on the playground. Maybe you could throw in some, "ooohhhhh burrrrrnnn"s....


As my perspective on Organized labor is obviously in the minority of this particular thread I'm reminded of an important philosophy I live by:

Stand for what is right even if it means standing alone.


And, for the few who have contact me at [email protected], thanks for your questions and comments. Anyone else interested in contacting me through my email, please feel free. If I can, I'll be glad to help with any of your questions or to read your comments.
Here INeedAVacation, you need one of these too: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/BedBunny/deadhorse.gif

[gear02]

Here INeedAVacation, you need one of these too: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/BedBunny/deadhorse.gif

beating your ass?

[nickel]

beating your ass?
*chuckle*

no.... beating a dead horse... but of course, you knew that.

[gear02]

*chuckle*

no.... beating a dead horse... but of course, you knew that.

Yeah...but ass is funnier ;)

[INeedAVacation]

What did you think about the boobies though?


They would make for a great screensaver!
:cheers:

[Showtime]

So I read the title of the thread and wonder what's the joke or how bad does poor ray have it and what did I find..... :hmm:

Did you really want to kill yourself or was it just ??? I've read peoples' problems that were much worse. Before you were so happy in your glamorous hollywood job.... Meeting so and so and doing lunch. :kiss:

Here's some advice worth taking.

Just leave your job... quit. If it's bad enough to make you feel like killing yourself, you probably aren't cut out for for whatever the new position is demanding. I would say to leave hollywood, but that would just make me look really evil. Take a break and figure out what you want.

Here's another reason to quit. If you had to demand a raise there was already a big problem. Either they couldn't see your value or they didn't care. 70 hour weeks were the norm for a lot people. Not for me, not anymore. 9 to 5 and free weekends.
Anyways, from everything I know, if someone comes into the office and demands a raise, you can give them a raise or loose them or, what happens a lot more than you would think, you give them the raise for now and fire them later.

Unions

If you want to make a career and work and make money in Hollywood, you will join a union. From acting to writing to driving trucks to doing the makeup - all Union jobs. Every job on the set and most jobs off the set have union ties. Some are stronger (teamsters) and some are weaker (writers), but they all require alliegence/a portion of your check. Anyone tells you differently is lying or looking for a loan.

Your welcome,

-j

[eSDee]

So I read the title of the thread and wonder what's the joke or how bad does poor ray have it and what did I find..... :hmm:



Reread the thread. Ray quit his job last week :hmm:

[Showtime]

Ah, see my advice was all good. ;)

I still have a problem with the title. Maybe it's just me, but I felt like I was pulled in under false pretense. Not that I'd want him to truly feel that way, but nothing that job could have done to him would have made him seriously consider suicide.

Feel free to correct me if Im wrong, Ray.

-j

[eSDee]

You're right jel. Kill yourself ray.

[Showtime]

Yeah, that was my point. :rolleyes:

-j

[guiseppewv]

Ah, see my advice was all good. ;)

<snip>

-j

That was great advice, jel!!!! Man, what the h-e-double hockey sticks would Ray have done without you? :P ;) j/k :cool: