Your opinion on this firing

[Sesshomaru]

It's cold and icy outside, and you have no power in your house. You get up at 4 AM to go open the restaurant. Everyone's calling to say they can't make in, and you know you're gonna be meat when the rush comes. One employee calls, says he can't make it because his lights are out. Nothing wrong with his car, but he can't come in. You say, come in late, but come in or you are fired. He screams and yells, calls you a racist. You stand your ground, and he tells the manager his car is broken (changes his story). She says, fire him, and you do. He calls HR and claims that he was discriminated against, and they reinstate him.

Do you think they managers did anything wrong in firing him? He's never really done any bad except for running his mouth before.

[Hoser]

How was he discrimated against? He lied and was caught in a lie. If HR reinstated him, then I guess he can do anything he wants because he's now protected.

[Booyamos]

i agree. Ok the power is out.. you should still come into work. Then when told he could come in late or be fired, he cussed you out. Should be fired on the spot.

Then lied to HR, got reinstated because of discrimination threat... should definately be fired.
Just make him do all the crappy stuff since you can't really punish him or fire him it seems.

[Sesshomaru]

It's not me :). A friend. But yeah, HR's got so many problems they don't want to deal with another, no matter how small. She was worried that somehow she was being a racist but didn't know it.

Another guy, different race, called in and said he couldn't come in because he his car was stuck. The fired guy was using that as ammo (weak).

[Jenny]

Geez. Fire his ass. :disa:

[Nija]

I see no point in opening a restaurant with no power, personally.

[YanksFanRy]

Nija, he said the lights in his house were out, not necessarily the restaurant.

Aside from that, he deserves to go.

[ialsohaveadream]

That'll teach you to try and fire me.....Crackers.

[Kevster]

That'll teach you to try and fire me.....Crackers.


You know that really works with the Howard Dean avatar. :heh:

[ufcrusher]

Nothing wrong with the firing. In fact, I would go back to HR with both people he tried his lies on, restate exactly everything that was said, and then get him terminated. Either that or look for the first screw up and toss him out like yesterdays garbage.

[Gothic Girl]

I think that firing was justified. Then I'd kick his @$$ for using the race card! LOL J/K

[faither]

He should have been fired. An HR department reinstating someone in such a circumstance is an indication of a very poorly run company. Personally, I don't know if I could stay with a company that so sorrily backs its management.

Between the lying and insubordination, there's no reason to keep such a person as an employee.

[nickel]

you know what stinks though, most companies would re-hire him if he pulled out the race card, even if he lied, in lieu of having any chance of being labeled a rascist company.

[Sesshomaru]

That'll teach you to try and fire me.....Crackers.

Well, the girl that fired him was a 5 ft 1" Vietnamese girl (he's over 6 ft). What's the popular derogatory name for Asians these days? :)

Anyway, thanks, I'll show her this thread. Should make her feel better.

[Butch]

One question . . .

Why were the other employees allowed to say they weren't able to make it in, but when THIS employee did, he was fired for not coming?

That may be part of the issue . . . if the other employees had the ability to come in, but simply were first to call to say they couldn't make it, then the honus should not have been left completely on the last person.

(I know one of the guys called to say his car was stuck . . . but other people?)

[ialsohaveadream]

Well, the girl that fired him was a 5 ft 1" Vietnamese girl (he's over 6 ft). What's the popular derogatory name for Asians these days? :)


I'm not falling for that trap. I can get away with using the ones for white folks....I'll let the resident Asians throw out their epithets. ;)



Anyway, thanks, I'll show her this thread. Should make her feel better.

Glad my mock racism could help. :)

[freebieprincess]

He is Fired! :boxing:


He should be Fired! :boxing:
Tell them to call The Donald. He will fire his ass. :)

[nickel]

The Donald.... man, someone get that guy a real haircut. it's like the "Emperor's New Clothes". i don't think anyone dares to tell him his hair looks ridiculous.

[Kudos]

I work in HR, and I can say the HR team did a horrible job when they reinstated him.

HR shouldn't ever do something like that without knowing all the facts first.

Process should have went like this:

Employee calls HR and complains, says he was discriminated against and didn't deserve to be fired.

HR calms the employee down, gets all the necessary information and contacts the firing manager for their story as well.

If HR never contacted you, they didn't do their job correctly. It's not HR's job to overturn managements decisions.

However, a descrimination lawsuit against an employer is easy to win for the employee unless they have prior written documentation regarding prior problems like that in the past.

If everyone was calling out of work that day, why was he the only one fired?

[Sesshomaru]

One question . . .

(I know one of the guys called to say his car was stuck . . . but other people?)



If everyone was calling out of work that day, why was he the only one fired?

I guess I need to be more clear. Five employees, 1 called and said his car stuck, and he could not get in. Cant really call him a liar with no proof and fire him.

Another girl called and said she would be really late and didn't want to come in. My friend said come in or you're fired. She came in.

The fired one called in and said he wouldn't come in because his power was out in his HOUSE. When asked, he SAID his car was OK. He LATER told the manager his car was messed up. Then he got fired.

There was nothing preventing him from coming in, and he REFUSED to come in even with the threat of being fired.

No one wants to be down two in a restaurant.

[DarkFury]

THE MAN... always trying to hold a brotha down. :hmm: :hihi:

[Kudos]

haha
yeah, the HR dept sucks for your business, sorry
unfortunatly terminations should always be documented with prior proof of deficiencies(sp) and disciplinary action, otherwise people can be a real headache when they don't get their way