Teens and Porn

[InfiniteNothing]

So teenagers masterbate and know what sex is so why can't they buy porn. Educate me.

[INeedAVacation]

So teenagers masterbate and know what sex is so why can't they buy porn. Educate me.

Because then they would never, ever leave the house?

Because if they could buy it, and never, ever left the house they would eventually die of starvation because Kozmo is gone?

Or

Because they have no money or no internet or no money AND no internet or they have money but aren't creative enough to come up with a workable plan to get some?

[BrewMaster]

For the same reason they can't drive when they are 15 years old and buy guns when they are 17 years old. the law is there to supposedly protect young people from things they are not supposed to be exposed to. you can disagree with the law, but the idea is to protect kids. :shrug:

[InfiniteNothing]

For the same reason they can't drive when they are 15 years old and buy guns when they are 17 years old. the law is there to supposedly protect young people from things they are not supposed to be exposed to. you can disagree with the law, but the idea is to protect kids. :shrug:
I just don't know what we are protecting them from in this case. Seems like puritanical ethics, specifically, the idea that sex is bad, at work

[Memo]

Well, because it's considered lewd behaviour by many people. Not everyone is accepting of masturbation. Also, while many view masturbation as natural, pornography is always viewed as something lewd.

[Cantacuzene]

YOu have to draw the line somewhere. Its good that on the same day you can enlist in the army and buy a playboy. Hopefully they send you to the Congo next!

[BrewMaster]

apparently you won't need the playboy much if they send you to the Congo...

[InfiniteNothing]

Also, while many view masturbation as natural, pornography is always viewed as something lewd.Ahh got it. Didn't realize that


YOu have to draw the line somewhere. Its good that on the same day you can enlist in the army and buy a playboy. Hopefully they send you to the Congo next!Seems like (to me) that line is when you know about sex and are personally active.

[BrewMaster]

but in society you kind of need to draw the line in one place for everyone when you make a law like this. it can't really vary for each person's sexual knowledge. same with driving. i was a capable driver at 13 and my cousin was a capable driver when he was 10. (they lived on a farm so driving on private property was cool.) but according to the law we have to be 16 to get a license in CA. thems the breaks.

[InfiniteNothing]

but in society you kind of need to draw the line in one place for everyone when you make a law like this. it can't really vary for each person's sexual knowledge. same with driving. i was a capable driver at 13 and my cousin was a capable driver when he was 10. (they lived on a farm so driving on private property was cool.) but according to the law we have to be 16 to get a license in CA. thems the breaks.

But we are all educated and "fapping" at about the same age

[BrewMaster]

fap away. you just can't go out and legally purchase fapping aids. of course, as with most things, it is rather easy for a young kid to obtain porn.

[kei2]

Under 18 can't buy smokes, under 21 can't buy alcohol... doesn't prevent usage/consumption, but restricting sales does discourage it and deter it at leas somewhat.

[InfiniteNothing]

Under 18 can't buy smokes, under 21 can't buy alcohol... doesn't prevent usage/consumption, but restricting sales does discourage it and deter it at leas somewhat.

I was more wondering why we wanted to deter it. At the time of the question I didn't realize it was considered lewd by many. It had honestly slipped my mind.

[welfareloser]

the law doesn't say that minors can't look at it or possess it... just that some random merchant who doesn't know them can't sell it to them. it's giving the parents control over what their kdis are exposed to... if a guy wants to give his son a playboy, nobody gets in trouble.

[ialsohaveadream]

But we are all educated and "fapping" at about the same age

No we aren't. One of my friends started when he was in 2nd grade. I didn't start until 6th, and a guy I went to school with didn't start until 9th. There's a world of difference between a 2nd grader and a 9th.

I'm curious what you think the magical age is when we are all educated.

[InfiniteNothing]

No we aren't. One of my friends started when he was in 2nd grade. I didn't start until 6th, and a guy I went to school with didn't start until 9th. There's a world of difference between a 2nd grader and a 9th.

I'm curious what you think the magical age is when we are all educated.

I was thinking both happen by 5th grade because that's when Family planning education take place. I suppose there might be variablity and statistical outliers. In that case I say draw a 90% one tailed confidence interval.

[InfiniteNothing]

the law doesn't say that minors can't look at it or possess it... just that some random merchant who doesn't know them can't sell it to them. it's giving the parents control over what their kdis are exposed to... if a guy wants to give his son a playboy, nobody gets in trouble.

Isn't that the case with alcohol too? Still I think giving parents control implies that porn is somehow dangerous. I understand legal control of dangerous things but criminalizing the obscene seems like a bad precidence. Suddenly low cut shirts and swearing become illegal.

[Hypnotist]

What variety of porn?

[ialsohaveadream]

Isn't that the case with alcohol too? Still I think giving parents control implies that porn is somehow dangerous. I understand legal control of dangerous things but criminalizing the obscene seems like a bad precidence. Suddenly low cut shirts and swearing become illegal.

So under the IN plan, are all forms of porn OK to give to minors? Orgies, foot fetish stuff, S&M, midgets, scat, bukkake, et al?

[welfareloser]

IN: i'd agree if all porn was just sex, but it's not. there's a lot of porn that has a lot more to do with the infantilization and domination of women than simple sex. my boys can see all the nudity society can throw at them, and i won't bat an eye. if they accidentally saw a couple having sex, i'd calmly explain what was going on and not worry much about it; sex won't rot their brains.

if someone gave them pictures of women on their knees getting their hair grabbed to force their mouths down into a deepthroat as they're taking it up the butt from a couple of high-fiving, smirking dudes, i'd rip out that person's throat.

[InfiniteNothing]

You make it seem like we are going to force kids to watch scat porn or something. I was thinking playboy/penthouse range. Really, I'm just exploring the issue. Don't really have everything thought through.

My general theory with the law is everything should be legal unless we can think of damn good reasons not to.

[InfiniteNothing]

IN: i'd agree if all porn was just sex, but it's not. there's a lot of porn that has a lot more to do with the infantilization and domination of women than simple sex. my boys can see all the nudity society can throw at them, and i won't bat an eye. if they accidentally saw a couple having sex, i'd calmly explain what was going on and not worry much about it; sex won't rot their brains.

if someone gave them pictures of women on their knees getting their hair grabbed to force their mouths down into a deepthroat as they're taking it up the butt from a couple of high-fiving, smirking dudes, i'd rip out that person's throat.
Why not make just the latter illegal. Seems to me that the law was painted too broadly

Note: Your kids aren't teens yet so the law wouldn't apply to them.

I'm still not sure what the harm of say domination porn is. I could be wrong but I don't think teens would be any more obsessed with it than adults are.

[Hypnotist]

Why not make just the latter illegal. Seems to me that the law was painted too broadly

Note: Your kids aren't teens yet so the law wouldn't apply to them.

I'm still not sure what the harm of say domination porn is. I could be wrong but I don't think teens would be any more obsessed with it than adults are.

Oh... domination? WFL will rip that to shreds.

[ufcrusher]

As we all know, the United States is a country founded by prudes. All you have to do is look at the rest of the world and you will realize that for whatever reason people here are skiddish of nudity and sex. Any night you can turn on network tv and watch someone get shot repeatedly or any other of the million ways that some network honcho has dreamed up to get people to watch. However, a womans breast slips out during the superbowl and heads roll. (Even though her nipple wasnt visible which has been used as the litmus test for bikinis on some beaches.)

For those of us who are a bit older, you can probably remember when cable first was offered and the world that opened up with it. Furthermore, you can probably remember that ass, bitch, bastard, and other words were absolutely taboo on Tv. I did a double take the first time I heard the word on network tv. In fact, I think the news stations even did a report on it. Years later, there was another hub-bub regarding a new show NYPD Blue where there was some fleeting nudity. "Oh, no! Somebody's naked! This cannot be!"

It is for this same reason why teenagers and other children are not supposed to see pornography. While I fully admit that there is a world of difference between paging through a playboy or even a more explicit magazine such as Penthouse, Hustler, Screw, Club, High Society, etc and watching Jenna Haze take on her "sorority sisters" in naked twister where somehow or another they all end up in a "sex ball" (Please note: I just made that up, I have no idea if such a movie exists...the name came from that HBO show Pornucopia: Going Down in the Valley...if you want to see such a movie, well then I need to go pitch an idea to a friend of mine)

It is quite sad that people have these unfounded and archane beliefs. In fact, not being exposed to such things and thinking that nudity and sex are a sin is more likely to create a deviant than ever seeing nudity/sex would.

[Hypnotist]

It is quite sad that people have these unfounded and archane beliefs. In fact, not being exposed to such things and thinking that nudity and sex are a sin is more likely to create a deviant than ever seeing nudity/sex would.
I totally agree... so it is with many things... just human nature.

[welfareloser]

It is quite sad that people have these unfounded and archane beliefs. In fact, not being exposed to such things and thinking that nudity and sex are a sin is more likely to create a deviant than ever seeing nudity/sex would.

:stupid:

and i while i agree that the law exists to satisfy prudes... it DOES make it a lot easier on parents. can you imagine trying to write a law that says "happy porn where everyone is depicted having a consensual good time is okay; only the porn that is demeaning or really messed up is restricted?" it's tough enough as it is (think john ashcroft wanting to cover up nudes...) we're already, even at this level of simplicity, in a state of "i can't define it, but i know it when i see it." it would become even tougher if the law tried to make distinctions between categories of porn...

and yes, throwing in an element of domination is not at all pathological. lots of people do it to some extent, and fun is had by all :P but in porn... it's just the nature of porn to make it something ugly.

but with the state of porn today... most of it SUCKS. my kids are already going to get media images of ultra-thin women with fake hair color, fake eyebrow shapes, fake glow-in-the-dark-white teeth, fake tans, etc, shoved down their throats as they grow up; it's going to take some effort on my part to make sure they have healthy expectations of women and relationships.

in 99% of the porn i watch :dodgy: the women have painfully fake tits, dagger-like fake fingernails, fake grimaces, fake moans of pleasure, fake orgasms, they spend a good deal of time in ridiculously uncomfortable positions for a good camera angle, and half the time the dudes can barely keep it at half-mast as they pound away, yank it out, and spoo all over fake tits as the woman moans even though she doesn't have a single nerve ending left on that part of her body.

anyway. point being... i'll be pretty happy if my kid doesn't learn, at the corner store, that THAT is what sex is supposed to be.

that said... most of the restrictions are nonsense. i'd happily trade my kid seeing stupid sex all day every day on every channel if they'd get rid of all the violence, instead...

here's a thought - i think the biggest reason porn is so wierd and stupid and ugly is that it is practically illegal. intead of being allowed to be part of the mainstream, it's been put on the same cultural shelf as crack rocks and pawn shops. no wonder it's smarmy...

[hapoo]

in 99% of the porn i watch :dodgy: the women have painfully fake tits, dagger-like fake fingernails, fake grimaces, fake moans of pleasure, fake orgasms, they spend a good deal of time in ridiculously uncomfortable positions for a good camera angle, and half the time the dudes can barely keep it at half-mast as they pound away, yank it out, and spoo all over fake tits as the woman moans even though she doesn't have a single nerve ending left on that part of her body.



Am i the only one turned on by that? :P



hehe j/k

[whitak24]

back on topic (somwhat), i once knew someone :shifty: who tried to buy pr0n at 16 or 17 and got carded, and despite being under 18, was sold the item anyway. :heh:

[Hypnotist]

anyway. point being... i'll be pretty happy if my kid doesn't learn, at the corner store, that THAT is what sex is supposed to be.
Where do you THINK (1) boys learn... & (2) girls learn? I know where I learned. Oh sure, we had seat squirmin' funny family discussions (funny because my brother and I thought we already knew it all), and the clinical Health/Sex education classes in school, but the first real education came from friends and older brothers. Whether they broke out the mags (movies were rare at the time), for the proverbial circle jerk, shared stories of conquest or provided live performances with or without "helpful" female participants... most young guys learn from young guys first... then young girls. And I'm talking sex... not love making.

that said... most of the restrictions are nonsense. i'd happily trade my kid seeing stupid sex all day every day on every channel if they'd get rid of all the violence, instead...
Sex or agression... I'll take sex every single time myself. TV definitely...and most mainstream media. And have ya seen any of the top rated computer games lately... a far cry from Pong or Donkey Kong.

here's a thought - i think the biggest reason porn is so wierd and stupid and ugly is that it is practically illegal. intead of being allowed to be part of the mainstream, it's been put on the same cultural shelf as crack rocks and pawn shops. no wonder it's smarmy...
Wierd, stupid and ugly... SELLS. Over 50% of all internet websites are sexually oriented generating Multi-Billions in revenue annually. Most of these are definitely legal. I view the sex business as being very much a part of the mainstream. We just won't publically admit our participation for fear that people will think....... What?... We're NORMAL. Cause believe it... most people are doing it in one form or another (or wishing they were). You've heard the saying... When asked, 98% of all men admit they masturbate... and the other 2% are lying. Until some of these closet masturbaters in our country can get over their hypocracy... it will always be hush hush... IMHO.

[Burzhui]

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