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OC
02-01-2005, 09:12 AM
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6922

New roads can cause congestion
10:12 01 February 2005
Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition
Kate Ravilious

Traffic should flow best in cities when only a limited number of roads lead to the centre. This counter-intuitive finding could allow planners to prevent gridlock by closing roads rather than building new ones.

It comes from a new way of thinking about complex networks developed by Neil Johnson, Douglas Ashton and Timothy Jarrett at the University of Oxford, UK. The researchers began by approximating a complex city network to just a ring road and a number of the arterial roads that cross at the centre.

They then worked out how the average time for journeys changes as the number of roads increases. When the model assumed that there was no congestion in the centre, average journey times got shorter as the number of roads increased.

But that changed when the researchers modified the model to delay any journey that passes through the centre. With a small number of roads, journeys initially became faster as extra roads were added to the network. But beyond a certain number, adding more roads increased average journey times rather than cutting them. The optimum number of roads depended on just how much extra delay there was to journeys passing through the centre.
Natural networks

The model mimics effects that have been observed in cities in which short cuts generate more traffic and so increase congestion, the researchers say. But this is the first time anybody has managed to model the effect (http://www.arxiv.org/abs/%20cond-mat/?0409059) mathematically.

The same process of analysing the costs associated with moving across a network could help solve a long-standing problem in biology: why some natural networks are centralised like cities, whereas others are decentralised like the internet.

"Organisms such as fungi have managed to evolve a complex network in which there are centralised and decentralised pathways to move nutrients around," Johnson says. "Now we can look at biological systems in terms of the 'costs' and 'benefits' of the connections rather than in terms of the physical structures themselves," he says.

attgig
02-01-2005, 09:26 AM
wow that's interesting......

not only in biological systems, but can that research be used in sending netowrk packets? although it's all "fast", packets still travel through being queued. and they mention internets, but how about intranets in large corporations....
interesting.

johnnymk
02-01-2005, 10:37 AM
Would it be possible to have traffic density monitors at critical streets/highways and then relay that information in real time to either the radio or a special onboard device to a driver who needs it?

nhbilly
02-01-2005, 11:18 AM
there was an article on this in Wired Magazine.....was pretty interesting. on the cover was the Space Ship One dude.

guiseppewv
02-01-2005, 12:53 PM
Very interesting article, great post!!!! :thumb:

brainsmile
02-01-2005, 01:19 PM
that's pretty interesting... thanks

Maarchk
02-01-2005, 01:23 PM
Good article... i wonder if any city planners will actually take it into account when the create or redo a city.. Hmm like boston ;)

Nija
02-01-2005, 07:38 PM
there was an article on this in Wired Magazine.....was pretty interesting. The on the cover was the Space Ship One dude.

Was that the article about the Norweigian (swedish?) city planner that ended up taking out all the crubs and signs and stuff, and it actually increased trafficflow (in a good way) and everyone because a "better driver"

Oh man, that was such a good article.

bachviet
02-01-2005, 09:14 PM
That is very interesting to read.

nhbilly
02-01-2005, 10:27 PM
Was that the article about the Norweigian (swedish?) city planner that ended up taking out all the crubs and signs and stuff, and it actually increased trafficflow (in a good way) and everyone because a "better driver"

Oh man, that was such a good article.


yeah that was the one.........Dec. 2004 The New Age of Exploration. pg 108 McNichol Tom

found it http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.12/traffic.html

speedracer120
02-02-2005, 01:12 AM
That article actually got me to rethink how I drive on all the roads to which I've become accustomed. Like they state, there are times where you figure that the 35mph limit was just some arbitrary limit, but on the flip side there are places where 35mph is the absolute safest we can go, but the arbitrary limits have desensitized us to the point where we go faster just because we see 35 and figure 50 instead.

LivninSC
02-02-2005, 09:36 AM
I completely agree! 1 road in and out would completely solve all our traffic needs!

What they fail to realize is the congestion off the roads. You can only turn so fast into a parking garage and you can't go through a red light. By limiting the # of roads you don't parking lot effect on the roads but rather push it further out. If you do not work directly in the city than your commute will become crappier.

I don't have a degree in trafficonomics, nor have I done extensive research in the area but it seems more or less accurate to me.

verve247
02-02-2005, 10:59 AM
Wish they would explain why that happens. Is it due to less intersections or venues to stop at?

Kudos
02-02-2005, 12:04 PM
merging is a huge cause for traffic delays.

less roads for people to merge on means less congestion for the average driver.

think about how many times you have to slow down to let someone merge when you're on one road. now remove 95% of the mergers.

it's prolly a tiny amount of time saved in any given situation regardless.

speedracer120
02-02-2005, 11:28 PM
Eliminating roads doesn't seem to be a real solution. I do see logic in reducing the sizes of the roads and highways as a plausible solution. The larger the pipe, the bigger the clogs get; but eliminating all the pipes will leave just one huge cesspool.

BrewMaster
02-03-2005, 07:53 AM
just one huge cesspool.
Spoken like a true Southern Californian. I think a lot of traffic in LA is caused by people trying to get ahead, causing everyone behind them to hit the brakes.

Or there's my friend's theory. We were sitting on the 405 stuck in traffic back in college and I said, "I wonder why there is always traffic on the 405 no matter what time of day." His answer was, "I think someone stepped on their brakes back in 1983 and the whole freeway has yet to recover from it." Seems pretty accurate to me!

nhbilly
02-03-2005, 10:58 AM
"I think someone stepped on their brakes back in 1983 and the whole freeway has yet to recover from it." Seems pretty accurate to me!


go figure....