Does Music influence School shootings?

[SolidSnake]

Hey everybody, i've heard all over about school shootings and well i find this very sad but also have you noticed that everytime this happens they say "ohhh yeah kid used to listen to punk rock" and stuff like that and well i'd like to know what you people think about this because it's really sad that all of this happens ... and we could prevent it by starting with each and one of us .... :disa:

[Memo]

Correlation != Causation

[navyones]

I actually think violent video games have more influence than music. Video games have gotten so real that it is like watching a tv show now.

[chrissy]

hmm. no, I really doubt music has anything to do with it. And I also doubt video games have anything to do with it either.

I do believe that if its gonna happen, it's gonna happen. Something was wrong with that person before they listened to that music or played that video game.

[Gothic Girl]

hmm. no, I really doubt music has anything to do with it. And I also doubt video games have anything to do with it either.

I do believe that if its gonna happen, it's gonna happen. Something was wrong with that person before they listened to that music or played that video game.
:stupid: I fully agree. My son plays some violent games, but he also shows empathy towards people. So I think it's in the upbringing of the kids. Somehow, somewhere, something got screwed up. I'm not saying it's totally the parent's fault, but something went wrong in the kid's life to cause a seriously violent act.

[SolidSnake]

Well its a good thing you bring the games up and the empathy towards people , because i've always thought that parents (I am not saying all of them) tend to say that it is because of such and such... when they are just saying that to evade the responsibility of not talking things through with their family and giving them the heads up on this kind of situations but well what can I say...

[ShawnLee]

What happened to crazy?
I think music may play a role, and a similar one to video games. I don't believe they are the sole or underlying causes of issues, but we should instead relate the number of people who participate in similar activities as school shooters and figure why they aren't on the news.

In a jacked up situation, neither bad music nor bad video games are going to be helpful to reducing this situation. It's also possible (though I cringe at using the word 'likely') that music or video games are the immediate causes of such rampages. But that's still a far cry from having these as the ultimate causes. There is something radically wrong, and the music and VG's are far from that root.

Could the kid have learned shooting styles from video games, sure. But there's more to the parents. I played a demo of Full Spectrum Warrior, and I was personally impressed with how that game treated infantry squad tactics (though I had some issues with it), is that game going to turn a kid into an able squad leader in the Army?

I'm not even going to blame the parents' intents, since kids can screw up with even the best parents. But at the very least, parents should see these things. And if they have children with these noticeable problems, I would say then that perhaps monitoring their behavior online, monitoring what video games they play, and having involvement in general could've prevented this.

Yeah... My two cents on the issue. Actually, just looking at the length, it's more like thirteen cents.

[Gothic Girl]

I would say then that perhaps monitoring their behavior online, monitoring what video games they play, and having involvement in general could've prevented this.
And also monitor what kind of people they're hanging out with. Kids are impressionable, and also gullible. Other kids/people have a great influence on some kids, and can instigate A LOT.

[SolidSnake]

U are right about that but still if you teach your kid not to let himself get drawn by other people you can prevent this kind of stuff

[Grubbie]

I don't believe music/video games have any impact on if somebody is going to go nuts. So just because I have played "violent" video games for the last 10years I am at a higher risk to go nutso and shoot people?

Nah I don't think so, there are other things involved that have an impact but they aren't mentioned. It is just an reason people attach to that has no real impact.

Look at their family situation, their upbringing, what is going on in their life, are they getting picked on, do they have any friends, do they feel pressured to do well, are they over stressed, are they depressed.

You can look at a lot of other things that would have a greater affect then video games or music.

[Gothic Girl]

U are right about that but still if you teach your kid not to let himself get drawn by other people you can prevent this kind of stuff
Yeah, you can teach all you want, but kids can still be influenced. Whether it's the need to be popular, to feel cool, whatever, some kids will do anything to have friends.

[SolidSnake]

yeah still gotta teach my brother how to stand up for himself and not allow to get influenced he's about your son's age

[ialsohaveadream]

Chris Rock: Why can't kids just be crazy?
When I was in school, the crazy kids had a little ass school bus.... :)

[zippyjuan]

How could anyone possibly say that X, Y, or Z causes someone to go crazy and shoot people? First there aren't that many people doing it in this country so you have an extremely tiny pool of data. Secondly for whatever trait you choose- music, video games- there are thousands with that trait that never kill anything. It is a rediculous argument to make.

[SolidSnake]

EXACTLY that's the way I think but many people think different that is why i started this thread... the main problem in this i s the Lack of communication with the family but well im sleepy now so good night to all
--SolidSnake

[Bires]

Does loud music change the way you drive?

If it does, than you may be more susceptible to outside influences. If not, you probably are less so. I think it's the same for kids. Some of us are pretty solidly built one way or another. Some of us are easily swayed by our environment.

[SolidSnake]

so are you saying that depending on the person? and if you are do you mean some are per say "Inmune" to this??

[chrissy]

I think science teachers mess kids up
:shifty:

:P

[Bires]

so are you saying that depending on the person? and if you are do you mean some are per say "Inmune" to this??

That's what I'm saying, yes. Some people are just wired differently to respond to outside stimuli.




I think science teachers mess kids up


You bet we do! We take pride in how much we can mess with a kid's head. ;)

Ever see a video showing a kid launching a gerbil out of a potato cannon? We'll take credit for that!

[SolidSnake]

Bires are you a science teacher?? :P ...hey between you and me do you have any blueprints for that potato cannon?? :P

[BigJon]

I completely blame violence on parents and lack of parenting.

When a kid shoots up a school and the parents say "Not my kid...he would never do that!"....they obviously don't know their kid. If you truly knew your kid...you would know that they were playing with guns in their spare time and shooting small animals in the backyard and hanging their dead bodies on the fence.

That's my opinion. :D

[Jeffbx]

:stupid:

But it's easier for the parents to lay the blame on heavy metal music, or violent video games, or MTV, or violent images on TV, or Marilyn Manson, etc.

These things have nothing to do with a kid going nutso. Was one or more of these an influence in their crazyness? Maybe, but there is a long list of other things that would rate as having a lot more influence - upbringing, family, how he was treated by peers, trauma in his life, chemical imbalance, etc.

Anyone laying the blame for such violent behavior on something as mundane & silly as musical preference is just looking for a scapegoat, and not interested in find the real root of the issue.

[ialsohaveadream]

You people are all way off base. Music is entirely to blame for school shootings. Before bands like U2 and Hanson came along, there were never any school shootings. The first time it ever happened was after kids started listening to music like that. It's not just a coincidence, people! If you let your kids listen to music, you're just a bad parent. Period.

[BigJon]

You people are all way off base. Music is entirely to blame for school shootings. Before bands like U2 and Hanson came along, there were never any school shootings. The first time it ever happened was after kids started listening to music like that. It's not just a coincidence, people! If you let your kids listen to music, you're just a bad parent. Period.
:heh:

But seriously folks...look at this kid who shot up his school recently on the reservation.

Did he do it becuase he played violent video games and listened to death metal? Or was it the fact that his father committed suicide years before and his mother couldn't take care of him because she was in a nursing home after a car accident.

If anything, violence is caused also by teasing and bullying. It seems in recent times, violence in teenagers is usually retrobution or revenge for being teased or picked on in school. And...it doesn't help much that the media "glorifies" this by spouting about it 24-7. So kids think...I need attention, I don't get it at home, bullies pick on me, lets kill somebody and get on TV! Then I will get attention! Yay!

Sick :disa:, just sick

[SolidSnake]

You people are all way off base. Music is entirely to blame for school shootings. Before bands like U2 and Hanson came along, there were never any school shootings. The first time it ever happened was after kids started listening to music like that. It's not just a coincidence, people! If you let your kids listen to music, you're just a bad parent. Period.

...Are you serious about this post?? or are you kidding??

[whitak24]

You people are all way off base. Music is entirely to blame for school shootings. Before bands like U2 and Hanson came along, there were never any school shootings. The first time it ever happened was after kids started listening to music like that. It's not just a coincidence, people! If you let your kids listen to music, you're just a bad parent. Period.
i think you're on to something, especially with the references to U2 and hanson.

i mean, the fact that prolonged time spent listening to hanson could make someone want to do something violent is so obvious it doesn't even need discussion.

but U2 is an unnoticed cause for these things too. i mean, how many times can you hear "uno...dos...tres...catorce" and try to figure out why the hell Bono skipped numbers 4-13 before you just want to go kill your teacher?

[SolidSnake]

:heh:

But seriously folks...look at this kid who shot up his school recently on the reservation.

Did he do it becuase he played violent video games and listened to death metal? Or was it the fact that his father committed suicide years before and his mother couldn't take care of him because she was in a nursing home after a car accident.

If anything, violence is caused also by teasing and bullying. It seems in recent times, violence in teenagers is usually retrobution or revenge for being teased or picked on in school. And...it doesn't help much that the media "glorifies" this by spouting about it 24-7. So kids think...I need attention, I don't get it at home, bullies pick on me, lets kill somebody and get on TV! Then I will get attention! Yay!

Sick :disa:, just sick

Yes, and as I said before this can't be stopped if the don't have someone they can talk to, this kid ... well he had his lifestyle and own heroes, and that is why he was bullied and teased. I do not justify what he did , but I say it can be prevented if we start from changing the way society looks people, what I mean is In order to prevent this I think we have to ackowledge that these people have problems and instead of being indefferent or just ignoring them till they do something like this, we lend them a hand , and by lending them a hand I mean psychologically.

...Who knows a simple sentence can change the way one looks at life.. :cool:

[zenbooty]

I think the same anger and rage which fueled his violent actions are what fueled his interest in violent music. His interest in that sort of music did not cause or contribute to his actions, it was simply a shared result of the anger inside him caused by his previous traumas.

[ialsohaveadream]

but U2 is an unnoticed cause for these things too. i mean, how many times can you hear "uno...dos...tres...catorce" and try to figure out why the hell Bono skipped numbers 4-13 before you just want to go kill your teacher?
And then there's the whole violence theme in "Sunday, Bloody Sunday". And not to mention the fact that Bono gets taken seriously at the UN. Urge to kill.....rising.....

[cheapie]

i think it's age/maturity dependant. older/more mature kids are more able to tell the difference between reality fantasy.

my son gets very worked up when he watches me play any video game that involves violence and tries to reinact it. pretty freaky. i never let him watch me play halo now or any other game like that. he runs around pretending to shoot and hit people and i don't like that. for some reason, he doesn't run around pretending to drive fast, build cities, play football, etc. for some reason, violence on tv or games really does something to kids.

of course, when a child becomes a teenager, they should be able to handle it. however, those of you w/o kids would be surprised at how it affects kids. don't be so quick to dismiss the influence of music/games on young people.

[zenbooty]

My oldest brother got me listening to Sabbath, Iron Maiden, and Juda Priest when I was like 6 or 7 years old. By 9 or 10 I was a fan. And I turned out ok...


(uh, Ok I'll shut up now)

[WhiskeyPapa]

I think the same anger and rage which fueled his violent actions are what fueled his interest in violent music. His interest in that sort of music did not cause or contribute to his actions, it was simply a shared result of the anger inside him caused by his previous traumas.:stupid:
That's 'zactly what I think: The music/video games do not "cause" the violent behavior, but rather a kid's taste in music *might* reflect the state of his heart.

So instead of parents saying "That violent music is what's causing Johnny's bad attitude", they should instead be saying "That violent music may be revealing Johnny's hidden angst."

But usually parents of kids like that are just saying "Are we out of beer?"

[BigJon]

:stupid:
Amen brother!

Look at these things as a sign that your kid is having troubles. Not a scapegoat to blame things on.

[Bires]

Bires are you a science teacher?? :P ...hey between you and me do you have any blueprints for that potato cannon?? :P

Potato cannons are ok, but the real power is in pressurized air cannons!
http://blizzard.rwic.und.edu/~nordlie/cannon/
http://corin.com/bill/paintball/aircannon/

[chrissy]

i think it's age/maturity dependant. older/more mature kids are more able to tell the difference between reality fantasy.

my son gets very worked up when he watches me play any video game that involves violence and tries to reinact it. pretty freaky. i never let him watch me play halo now or any other game like that. he runs around pretending to shoot and hit people and i don't like that. for some reason, he doesn't run around pretending to drive fast, build cities, play football, etc. for some reason, violence on tv or games really does something to kids.

of course, when a child becomes a teenager, they should be able to handle it. however, those of you w/o kids would be surprised at how it affects kids. don't be so quick to dismiss the influence of music/games on young people.

While I agree with what you are saying about the maturity lvl of kids, I can't say I agree that because of a video game, kids will become violent because of FPS and such.

I grew up watching cowboy and indians on tv, wrestling, and mafia movies with my granddad. I remember playing cowboys and wrestling with my cousins. I think a child will act out what ever action they see, be it a game, tv or what have you. Because they want to be a hero, or a villian. It's exciting, it's not a normal thing -- meaning, if you had your choice of pretending to be a cop or villian or cowboy or what-have-you or being a salesman or something else just as exciting, what would you choose? It helps them in choosing right or wrong. And that is where the parents play their part. Morals.

I would like to think my kids are well balanced, but they do play Halo and Audie has been playing UT and HL since she was in 1st grade. She doesn't run around pretending to shoot anyone. I guess there isn't a cookie cutter answer for the question that will work for every family except know what your kids are doing, how they react to situations and keep kicking them in their rears.