wow... what'd i miss?

[Freelance Superhero]

http://www.gotapex.com/forums/member.php?userid=7951

that was quick... is this permanent? from the looks of his last post, it looked like it was only meant to be a 24-hour timeout, but i've never seen GAM use the ban-monkey for a timeout... :gle:

EDIT:
and wow again...
http://www.gotapex.com/forums/member.php?userid=9375

[RoniMan]

i was just pming him, and i saw that too

weird

[mrmb123]

From the post looks like cheapie broke new rule #1:

1) Name calling, such as dumbass or idiot, just because someone has an opinion that is different than yours. You can think an idea is stupid and say, "I think that idea is stupid because..." and then go on and explain WHY. But, if you resort to saying, "You are so stupid for thinking that", there will be consequences.

[Nija]

It must be their failed online sexcapade boiling over. Must have been too much for them to handle.

I hope the start bitch-slapping each other. That'd be awesome.

[Jenny]

AC baited cheapie, cheapie responded by a personal attack (responding to AC's it's annoying comment by saying so are you).

so afaik, both broke the new rules, both get a 1-day time-out. :shrug:

[Showtime]

Walk softly...

-j

[AmRivlin]

Honestly, I can imagine they were joking, but this is fine by me, we don't need them egging on newbies or people that are more sensitive as we have recently seen.

My advice, save the attacks for email or PM... We don't need it here. But to be honest, I read the posts but quickly forgot them, I didnt even care.

[bachviet]

Damn I missed so much when I actually worked. :P

[AmRivlin]

Quit neffing man. it's getting old.

Me smells a bait... Come on down Jenny!!! your the next contestant in the TIME OUT CHAIR!

[Jenny]

hah I deleted it and pm'd him instead. ;) :P

[LegendKiller]

It's pretty clear that AC is a polar opposite of Cheapie. It is also pretty clear GAM isn't going to take that stuff anymore, as shown from the last coupla weeks.

I didn't think AC's baiting was that bad, but thats just me./

[Merlin]

I didn't think AC's baiting was that bad, but thats just me./
But a 24 hour time out is really not too much either. So small punishment for small infraction. But I didn't see what was said.

[LegendKiller]

But a 24 hour time out is really not too much either. So small punishment for small infraction. But I didn't see what was said.


Agreed there. It was the typical AC anti-religion right rhetoric ;)

[attgig]

anti-religion right rhetoric = played out & boring..... just put a little tag in the sig saying you're anti-religion right, and we'll get the picture.

[zenbooty]

Cheapie get's TO'd and I wasn't involved! Damn :angry:

[Showtime]

hah I deleted it and pm'd him instead. ;) :P

Walk softly applies here. Walk softly = Tread lightly/Be careful/Fair warning/time out approaching. Why type all that when I've found a phrase that covers it and everyone knows what I mean when I write it. Airen was trying to bait me into something yesterday. I assume if I acted like a dick and typed "ha ha ;) ", you'd be cool with that.

Walk sofly... is far from neffing and something that I've only used a couple times lately. It was used a lot more during a period where people, including myself, were being more confrontational and using much harsher language. It was mostly a reminder to myself initially.

Besides, If I really wanted to neff, I could start a few threads and go back and forth with a few choice people for as long as it took.

Walk sofly.... Jenny.

:hug:

-j

[zenbooty]

anti-religion right rhetoric = played out & boring..... just put a little tag in the sig saying you're anti-religion right, and we'll get the picture.
religious right rhetoric = played out and annoying..... Just put a little tag in the sig saying real men love Jesus, and we'll get the picture.

[Showtime]

I'll pray for you ZB. (neff)

-j

[InfiniteNothing]

LOL if that aint baiting I don't know what is.

[Merlin]

I'll pray for you ZB. (neff)

-j
Yes, and I'll sacrafice a small furry animal.

[InfiniteNothing]

It's pretty clear that AC is a polar opposite of Cheapie. It is also pretty clear GAM isn't going to take that stuff anymore, as shown from the last coupla weeks.

I didn't think AC's baiting was that bad, but thats just me./

I wouldn't say polar opposites. They are both registered Republicans.

[zenbooty]

I'll pray for you ZB. (neff)

-jI'm wondering if you think that bothers me. It doesn't. My faith goes as deep as anybody's. But my faith is a light that motivates and guides me, not a stick to beat over the heads of others. To me there is no place in faith for strict dogma and proselytizing.


Yes, and I'll sacrafice a small furry animal.And I will take this in the best way possible.

[InfiniteNothing]

AC baited cheapie, cheapie responded by a personal attack (responding to AC's it's annoying comment by saying so are you).

so afaik, both broke the new rules, both get a 1-day time-out. :shrug:

Jenny, it might be useful if the comment wasn't deleted just so we know what "baiting" looks like. It's such a vague term I think that seeing what crosses the line will help alot of us out.

[faither]

If I was to state the policy is stupid is that TO-worthy? How about if I questioned the intelligence behind how the policy is being applied?

Just wondering. Mind you, these are hypotheticals.

[AmRivlin]

Jenny, it might be useful if the comment wasn't deleted just so we know what "baiting" looks like. It's such a vague term I think that seeing what crosses the line will help alot of us out.

It was more of a joke... She just told JelloJigglers, that his "Walk softly" was a neff... I neffed myself, and called her for baiting.

An this is how it begins ;)

Good Times Babydoll.

[Jenny]

IN, if you are talking about Airencracken's comment, I didn't do AC's timeout, but I'll see if whoever did kept it...

[LegendKiller]

Jenny, it might be useful if the comment wasn't deleted just so we know what "baiting" looks like. It's such a vague term I think that seeing what crosses the line will help alot of us out.


Baiting is something like "Yeah and all of these stupid people who think of catchy names like "InfiniteSomething" or some stupid crap like that *really* piss me off. And all of those righty gun toating hickster bible thumping people are whackado's".

Stating a policy is stupid is OK. Saying "Wow you're a big moron if you think that is a good idea" is *not*.

So saying "Faither, the idea that you are saving the world by driving a stupid Prius is moronic and imbicilic" is both baiting and a personal attack. I don't believe that of course :)

Or any derivation of those two.

[Jenny]

If I was to state the policy is stupid is that TO-worthy? How about if I questioned the intelligence behind how the policy is being applied?

Just wondering. Mind you, these are hypotheticals.

The first, no. The second, yes.

And is that how you feel? If so, then why?

[faither]

The first, no. The second, yes.

And is that how you feel? If so, then why?
I'm not sure if this happens before the member is shut down but does GAM attempt to contact the "offending" party to attempt to understand from where they may be coming, or is the TO soley a reflex to the way GAM may read something? I mean, I wouldn't give my children a TO without understanding what was behind an action; nor would I treat an employee in such a manner (not that we give employees TO's here). I recognize members of an Internet board are not the same as kids or employees.

[Jenny]

We have given ample opportunity to warn people about making the comments that will get them a timeout. If a member says something and they are given a timeout, if they truly feel like it was a joke, they are more than welcome to send an email to GAM. It is just a 1 day timeout. Not like they are gone for a week... But everyone here is an adult (ok, 99% of people) and have been warned repeatedly. GAM et al do not have the time to sit and babysit every post on the forum or take the time to pm everyone that they think deserves a timeout. A lot of things get by, for a variety of reasons. So when GAM exercises the TO's, they are normally well-deserved. Whether everyone else can figure out why or not, it doesn't matter. Normally GAM knows or has seen things besides the one post everyone else thinks is the cause.

I guess it comes down to a matter of trust. GAM and the whole staff are trying their best to make the forums a fun place to post again. If you don't trust that, you won't last long. If you do, then sometims you may just have to grit your teeth and realize that while a decision that is made may seem harsh or unreasonable, 99% of the time, it isn't.

Make sense? :)

[InfiniteNothing]

Baiting is something like "Yeah and all of these stupid people who think of catchy names like "InfiniteSomething" or some stupid crap like that *really* piss me off. And all of those righty gun toating hickster bible thumping people are whackado's".

Stating a policy is stupid is OK. Saying "Wow you're a big moron if you think that is a good idea" is *not*.

So saying "Faither, the idea that you are saving the world by driving a stupid Prius is moronic and imbicilic" is both baiting and a personal attack. I don't believe that of course :)

Or any derivation of those two.

I can't accept that. I mean, some people really are whacky... like Micheal Jackson for instance. I can't see why a simple opinion would rub someone the wrong way unless it was so pointed as to single out a person. Can we call terroists wackos?I'm not really a big fan of people who put on drug commercials and about 50% of lawyers.

As for the second one, provided you went on to explain that other cars put out PZEV levels... etc, calling ideas stupid is specifically allowed provided you justify why you believe that:

You can think an idea is stupid and say, "I think that idea is stupid because..." and then go on and explain WHY.
I don't see "moronic" or "imbicilic" as any worse than "stupid".

[whitak24]

man....wtf. i missed the comments that were made, but from the context of the thread, i don't even know how AC and cheapie got into a pissing match over walmart's supply chain practices.

good lord, it's not like it was the political forum :2far:

oh well, they'll be back in a day and i'm sure they'll be more careful....and it serves as a reminder to the rest of us.

[InfiniteNothing]

We have given ample opportunity to warn people about making the comments that will get them a timeout. If a member says something and they are given a timeout, if they truly feel like it was a joke, they are more than welcome to send an email to GAM. It is just a 1 day timeout. Not like they are gone for a week... But everyone here is an adult (ok, 99% of people) and have been warned repeatedly. GAM et al do not have the time to sit and babysit every post on the forum or take the time to pm everyone that they think deserves a timeout. A lot of things get by, for a variety of reasons. So when GAM exercises the TO's, they are normally well-deserved. Whether everyone else can figure out why or not, it doesn't matter. Normally GAM knows or has seen things besides the one post everyone else thinks is the cause.

I guess it comes down to a matter of trust. GAM and the whole staff are trying their best to make the forums a fun place to post again. If you don't trust that, you won't last long. If you do, then sometims you may just have to grit your teeth and realize that while a decision that is made may seem harsh or unreasonable, 99% of the time, it isn't.

Make sense? :)
I get that it's a one day time out but it's the principle of the action. As for trusting, I have been brought up to question authority. If rules, infractions, and cofactors (like warnings) are not public it's hard to trust what's going on. The thing is, is that things are running pretty smoothly aside from a very rare scab itching. I think giving these two a time out creates a bigger ripple of discord and fear than the action itself.

[Nija]

oh well, they'll be back in a day and i'm sure they'll be more careful....and it serves as a reminder to the rest of us.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/majorbase2/baby_stfunoob.gif

[InfiniteNothing]

LOL that is awsome.

[Showtime]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/majorbase2/baby_stfunoob.gif

Dang you were an ugly baby, Nija. But I mean that in a funny non confrontational or critical way. :wavey:

-j

[BrewMaster]

i think we all can breathe a sigh of relief that Nija did not post picture himself. nice owned pic btw.

[whitak24]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/majorbase2/baby_stfunoob.gif
d00d, f*ck you. you're a n00b too. i hate you. and you're STUPID! stupid stupid stupid.


disclaimer: please note that all preceeding statements in this post were jokes and were not intended to hurt anyone's feelings or bait anyone into saying something unkind :heh:

[Nija]

d00d, f*ck you. you're a n00b too. i hate you. and you're STUPID! stupid stupid stupid.


disclaimer: please note that all preceeding statements in this post were jokes and were not intended to hurt anyone's feelings or bait anyone into saying something unkind :heh:
Pfft my number is 5571. yours is 6418. I'm l337 bitzatch!.
I know what your problem is:
http://www.nijaizkewl.com/images/personal/fun/owned/attentionwhore.jpg

In fact I have proof that not only are you an attention whore, you are a broke dick (http://www.nijaizkewl.com/images/personal/fun/owned/owned_schlong.jpg) loser! What did mommy accidently release pictures of you and your escapades: http://www.nijaizkewl.com/images/personal/fun/owned/ownedbadhaircut.jpg

You know what, I only have one thing to say to you, poser:
http://www.nijaizkewl.com/images/personal/fun/owned/shut_up_bitch.jpg

I've been waiting for so long to use some of those pictures. Thanks whitak24 for the oppurtunity. Anyone thinking that this post was serious, is wrong. There is nothing serious, except this serious note, in this entire post. Use only as directed.

[whitak24]

:lmfao:

seriously, there are no smilies or words to describe how hard i was laughing at this post. particularly because nija had the courtesy to PM me the link so i wouldn't miss it (how's that for courtesy).

i sat in front of my computer, laughing, gasping for air, coughing (because i still have slight congestion in my lungs which means excessive laughter triggers a coughing fit) and turning completely red for about 2 minutes straight.

ok nija, i admit. i am a n00b. you are 1337. but you're still STUPID!!!!!


:hihi:

by the way, i've probably mentioned this before, but that girl in the attention whore picture has a pretty nice ass.

[Jenny]

I get that it's a one day time out but it's the principle of the action. As for trusting, I have been brought up to question authority. If rules, infractions, and cofactors (like warnings) are not public it's hard to trust what's going on. The thing is, is that things are running pretty smoothly aside from a very rare scab itching. I think giving these two a time out creates a bigger ripple of discord and fear than the action itself.

Well, that's all well and good, but everyone has been warned repeatedly the last few months publically, so...

Think what you want to think, but if people aren't given the timeouts when they are warranted, who the hell is going to care about the rules? No one. And then we will be back to the way it was a few months ago. :shrug:

[welfareloser]

Well, that's all well and good, but everyone has been warned repeatedly the last few months publically, so...

Think what you want to think, but if people aren't given the timeouts when they are warranted, who the hell is going to care about the rules? No one. And then we will be back to the way it was a few months ago. :shrug:

even if both of them were kidding, and neither was offended... the staff doesn't have the time to sit down and sort out everyone's feelings... if it looks bad, they don't want it here, so others don't do it, too. they simply point to the rules and issue timeouts accordingly.

and to answer a question up there... yes, you can ridicule policies, disagree with views of the staff, argue with them angrily, and even accuse them of being part of the vast right-wing conspiracy, and not get kicked off. trust me. i've tested this to the fullest extent possible :P you get banned for not following the rules. repeatedly. the last big banning of an active member was because she refused to follow the rules. simple. no, it was not because the staff disagreed with her. and no, people who liked her, agreed with her, and are pissed that she got banned, are not in any danger of getting kicked off for voicing their opinions. you just gotta follow the rules... you can only waste so much of the staff's time before they don't want to deal with you anymore. anyway... just sayin... pleeeeease don't start any of the conspiracy theory stuff. some people take it and go quite psycho with it.

that said, i am, as always, curious to see what happened. :D

and, heehee... after reading the first post... and seeing that the first time-outer was cheapie... i was thinking awww, crap, is that second link to my profile?!?!??! :P

[ialsohaveadream]

even if both of them were kidding, and neither was offended... the staff doesn't have the time to sit down and sort out everyone's feelings... i
So I shouldn't keep sending PMs GAM asking for a hug every time I'm feeling a bit down? I thought the GAM was here for us!

[DaFunkyUnit]

So I shouldn't keep sending PMs GAM asking for a hug every time I'm feeling a bit down? I thought the GAM was here for us!

by GAM, you mean Nija, right?

and by hugs, you mean taco-flavored kisses, yes?

[RIVERWIDOW]

Can't we all just get along??? :wavey2:

[TofuNinja]

wow I miss all the action :(

[SolidSnake]

How can you lose the action when you're always Lurking TF jk :P

[DarkFury]

Walk softly...

-j
Ok gotjello... you remember what happened to "milk" right? :D

[TofuNinja]

How can you lose the action when you're always Lurking TF jk :P

Easy... lurkers lurk, we read but typically we don't post ;)

[InfiniteNothing]

Well, that's all well and good, but everyone has been warned repeatedly the last few months publically, so...

Think what you want to think, but if people aren't given the timeouts when they are warranted, who the hell is going to care about the rules? No one. And then we will be back to the way it was a few months ago. :shrug:
I'm not saying people should never be timed out, I'm saying that the definition of flamebating as well as a couple of other issues should be well defined before people are timed out for it. I'm also saying that by hiding what they both said, one casts doubt on the whole system. It casts fear because it's hard to say from the context exactly what is a timeoutable offense. "Warning" everyone does not tell the individual that he or she is boardering or slightly infringing on the rules.

[Nija]

I'm not saying people should never be timed out, I'm saying that the definition of flamebating as well as a couple of other issues should be well defined before people are timed out for it. I'm also saying that by hiding what they both said, one casts doubt on the whole system. It casts fear because it's hard to say from the context exactly what is a timeoutable offense. "Warning" everyone does not tell the individual that he or she is boardering or slightly infringing on the rules.
I think it's because they want us to use some common sense. They don't want to have to nanny us. If you think you are flamebaiting: re-word it.

[Jenny]

I think it's because they want us to use some common sense. They don't want to have to nanny us. If you think you are flamebaiting: re-word it.

:stupid: Exactly. Like I said, (almost) everyone on here is an adult. Take some responsibility and use the sense you were given to figure it out. :shrug:

[usedillusion]

Easy... lurkers lurk, we read but typically we don't post ;)
it's no longer lurking when you're posting, even if all the posts are about lurking ;)

[InfiniteNothing]

I think it's because they want us to use some common sense. They don't want to have to nanny us. If you think you are flamebaiting: re-word it.
How do you know that AC and Cheapie weren't "using common sence" if you don't even know what they said? How do you know common sence is enough?

Okay so using my common sence, (not trying to pick you out Jell or Attgig, I have no beef with you right now, it's just convienent for my point)
Jell saying "Zen I'll pray for you"
or AttGig saying "anti-religion right rhetoric = played out & boring..... just put a little tag in the sig saying you're anti-religion right, and we'll get the picture."

Both are highly baiting statements and yet I don't see time outs flying.
The later matches LK's "bible thumpers are stupid" statement well (though the more popular view) while the former is a holy war provoking statement.
My point is I don't think it all boils down to common sence.

[RoniMan]

How do you know that AC and Cheapie weren't "using common sence" if you don't even know what they said? How do you know common sence is enough?

two things
1. i believe it was jenny who pointed out, they have the right to make their case.

2. you're not GAM. therefore, if what u say is true, and if you were GAM, i'm assuming u'd probably not give them the timeout. however, since you're not, i think we're just going about a discussion about semantics. it's just how the current GAM interprets the situation.

respect my authoritAAAA!

[Jenny]

How do you know that AC and Cheapie weren't "using common sence" if you don't even know what they said? How do you know common sence is enough?

Okay so using my common sence, (not trying to pick you out Jell or Attgig, I have no beef with you right now, it's just convienent for my point)
Jell saying "Zen I'll pray for you"
or AttGig saying "anti-religion right rhetoric = played out & boring..... just put a little tag in the sig saying you're anti-religion right, and we'll get the picture."

Both are highly baiting statements and yet I don't see time outs flying.
The later matches LK's "bible thumpers are stupid" statement well (though the more popular view) while the former is a holy war provoking statement.
My point is I don't think it all boils down to common sence.


I don't know that they weren't using common sense. But I think both will tell you that either a) grudgingly, yeah, it was deserved or b) eh, I didn't think it was so bad but it's 1 day and not that big a deal. Either way, neither has complained.

As for the rest of your post, see my above post that states about sometimes letting things slide by. It's a fine line that the staff has to ride. If a time-out was given every time someone said something that was out of line, it would not be fun for anyone. But if enough things are ignored, pretty soon, it explodes and again, it isn't fun for anyone.

I understand you wanting/needing to question authority, but now you've done that and I've explained everything as best I can. If you have any more questions, take it to pm with GAM, cause I'm done. I dunno what else I could say. :shrug:

[InfiniteNothing]

Fair enough. I was probably just making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[Merlin]

Fair enough. I was probably just making a mountain out of a mole hill.
That is what this whole thread is. Afterall, it is/was only 24 hours.

[welfareloser]

So I shouldn't keep sending PMs GAM asking for a hug every time I'm feeling a bit down? I thought the GAM was here for us!

actually, i think that's fine. it's when you send gam, leon, jenny, apex, and lpm 20 emails per day, for days on end, alternating between "why are you so mean, why don't you like MEEEEEEEEEE i'm so nice" and "i'll destroy you, you left-wing conspirators!" that they might get a teensy bit annoyed...


hmm. you know you've hit the bigtime when you get accused of being a part of both the left and the right-wing conspiracies :P


anyway. i would second IN's motion that the offending posts get left up, with a quick note from GAM, (and a threadlock, if necessary) just so we all know what's what. really, there's a lot more hub-bub when it's a mystery; if we all see it, the whole thing goes away much more quickly.

[bachviet]

That baby pic is a great "PWN3D" pic! :heh:

[Hypnotist]

I just can't wait to read their "What I did on My Vacation" threads. :)

Lets See:
Forums have laws.
Poster reads and obeys the laws.
GAM interprets and enforces the laws.
Just like judges, you may not agree with the opinion of the court... And? So Appeal the decision to a higher website. :rolleyes:

If you feel a little emotional fire building during a discussion: Stop, Drop and Roll (one). :bandit:

[Nija]

I just can't wait to read their "What I did on My Vacation" threads. :)

Neither of them are massive attention whores ;)

[InfiniteNothing]

I just can't wait to read their "What I did on My Vacation" threads. :)

Lets See:
Forums have laws.
Poster reads and obeys the laws.
GAM interprets and enforces the laws.
Just like judges, you may not agree with the opinion of the court... And? So Appeal the decision to a higher website. :rolleyes:

If you feel a little emotional fire building during a discussion: Stop, Drop and Roll (one). :bandit:
I'm more than happy to accept that. I was just trying to establish jurisprudence

[doolittle]

iono bout some of you people, the rules here are pretty lax, if gam was half as bad as some of you imply, half of you would be banned and me too for that matter.


/me :kiss: some gam tush/

[DarkFury]

/me :kiss: some gam tush/
Grab those cheeks firm and give it a big ol' "wet one". :hihi:

[Hypnotist]

Neither of them are massive attention whores ;)
Do attention whores use KY? :wavey2:

[DarkFury]

Do attention whores use KY? :wavey2:
Only when the situation is "really tight". :D

[Grubbie]

Only when the situation is "really tight". :D

I love it, a classic DF comment.

[cheapie]

i have learned my lesson. i will never again call someone...annoying... :|

[faither]

Your signature was never more appropriate.

[cheapie]

hmmm...surprised you agree with it but whatever. i changed it but here's a screen cap for those that missed my old sig.


http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader/uploads/faither.jpg

:heh:

[welfareloser]

i smell time-out #2 if somebody doesn't pull the panties outn his crack and get a bigger cup of coffee ;)

[TofuNinja]

i smell time-out #2 if somebody doesn't pull the panties outn his crack and get a bigger cup of coffee ;)
:stupid:

[cheapie]

please note the :heh: at the bottom of my post.

[Jenny]

haha nice 'chop cheapie. lol

[cheapie]

lol. actually it's not. i changed my sig, did a screen cap, and put the sig back.

[Showtime]

WB c!

-j

[cheapie]

Walk softly...

-c

[Jenny]

lol. actually it's not. i changed my sig, did a screen cap, and put the sig back.

:heh: Oh! lol

[Merlin]

Walk softly...

-c
And closer....