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Hypnotist
04-22-2005, 10:28 AM
Remote-controlled rifles are set up to kill game
By Michael Gardner
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE
April 22, 2005

SACRAMENTO – The state Senate voted yesterday to prevent "hunters" from shooting prey on the Web rather than in the wild.

"For me to sit in my office here and shoot deer in Texas is not hunting," said Sen. Abel Maldonado, a Santa Maria Republican and avid hunter.

Senators passed legislation that would bar Internet sites that allow paying customers to connect to remote-controlled rifles strategically stationed to fire when game wanders by.

The 25-6 vote sent the measure, SB 1028, to the Assembly, where it is expected to pass. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has not taken a position on the bill.

Maldonado and fellow hunter Bill Morrow of Oceanside were the only Republicans to support the legislation, although it has been endorsed by hunting-and gun-rights groups.

"There's absolutely nothing sporting about slaughtering live animals in what amounts to little more than a high-tech shooting gallery," said the bill's author, Sen. Debra Bowen, D-Redondo Beach.

The legislation is in response to a fledgling Texas company's Internet site, which offers people the opportunity to bag trophies with a click of a mouse.

So far, just two remote-controlled hunts have been conducted at a fenced ranch outside San Antonio. Game eluded the most recent participant.

"He was a quadriplegic who was able to enjoy an experience from his bedside," said Sen. Dennis Hollingsworth, R-La Mesa.

Hollingsworth said he opposed the bill because the disabled should be allowed this opportunity and because similar sites are not springing up.

California Department of Fish and Game officials say they offer programs so the disabled can hunt outside with a rifle, not from their couch with a computer.

And some disabled rights advocates say they should not be used as an excuse to justify remote-assisted killing.

"I think it's interesting that some lawmakers who fight us on equal access issues all of a sudden want to give us state-of-the-art access to kill creatures," said Frances Gracechild of Sacramento, who uses a wheelchair.

Cheryl Bergan, who works on independent living issues in the Capitol, said, "There are many venues. There are special guns. There are special trails and sometimes special guides. Even quadriplegics can get out and hunt."

John Lockwood, the operator of the Web site, insisted that the legislation is a knee-jerk reaction.

"It's amazing how they're quick to ban something they know nothing about," he said in a telephone interview from Texas after the vote. "It's like people who have arachnophobia. People are afraid of spiders, no matter how good or bad they are, so they kill them."

The site could benefit soldiers serving in Afghanistan and Iraq who miss hunting game, he said.

Morrow broke ranks with Republicans, saying the site damages the image of sportsmen.

"You can't hunt by computer. That has nothing to do with hunting," said Morrow, who is a hunter.

California is not alone. Fourteen other states, including Texas, are considering similar bans. In Congress, Rep. Thomas Davis, R-Va., has introduced legislation.

"Why should someone be able to point, click and kill?" Davis said in a statement.

The California measure also would make it illegal to import animals killed by remote control. Violators could be fined up to $1,000 and sentenced to as much as six months in jail.

Democrat Sens. Christine Kehoe and Denise Ducheny, both of San Diego, voted for the bill.
WHAT THE FLOCK? :angry: Texas? How Embarrassing...

Airencracken
04-22-2005, 10:35 AM
What a moronic idea. This has no value whatsoever. Not that I like PETA, but I can't imagine them saying nothing about this. I'm okay with hunting, but man, clicking a mouse? C'mon... :disa:

At this point just play a hunting game.

doolittle
04-22-2005, 10:39 AM
this guy has said he is gonna fight this to the end.

http://www.live-shot.com/images/setup.jpg

Hypnotist
04-22-2005, 10:40 AM
Sorry... Here's the link: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20050422-9999-1n22webhunt.html

JaQnAbOx
04-22-2005, 10:50 AM
Dude..they have a dell

Airencracken
04-22-2005, 10:58 AM
this guy has said he is gonna fight this to the end.

http://www.live-shot.com/images/setup.jpg

It kind of looks like that computer is going to commit suicide...:laugh:

http://www.geeknewz.com/imagedb/albums/userpics/computer/mssuicide.jpg

Hypnotist
04-22-2005, 11:03 AM
It kind of looks like that computer is going to commit suicide...:laugh:

http://www.geeknewz.com/imagedb/albums/userpics/computer/mssuicide.jpgDude... That's funny!

Dude..they have a dellDell's out of Texas.
Web Hunting's out of Texas... hmmmmm
It's A DAM CONSPIRACY!

ShawnLee
04-22-2005, 11:09 AM
I think it's stupid. I understand the angry hunters. But... Free market says?

If this is as stupid as it sounds, it'll be out of business soon enough. Otherwise, in the modified words of George Carlin...
Selling is legal.
Hunting is legal.
Why shouldn't selling hunting be legal?

JaQnAbOx
04-22-2005, 11:13 AM
You think google is going to catch onto this?.... i mean they are starting to do everything... hunt.google.com??

zenbooty
04-22-2005, 11:23 AM
I think it's stupid. I understand the angry hunters. But... Free market says?

If this is as stupid as it sounds, it'll be out of business soon enough. Otherwise, in the modified words of George Carlin...
Selling is legal.
Hunting is legal.
Why shouldn't selling hunting be legal?
When kids kill animals for fun, we take them to the doctor to see what's wrong with their heads. When adults do it, we charge them and call it good business :rolleyes:

If you were allowed to kill only one per week or so, and have to pay to have the meat shipped to you, I might accept this. Not otherwise.

BrewMaster
04-22-2005, 11:24 AM
NPR has done 2 stories on this in the past months. The main argument for this, as presented by in the artice, is that it allows disable people to hunt.

if I may play devil's advocate for a minute, why is this such a bad idea? the animals are hunted on private property with someone on site overseeing it all. the hunter doesn't just shoot whenever they want, but the on site supervisor has to "unlock" the system before each shot. why should California be able to restrict the what goes on in Texas? And more importantly, why should California restrict anything that goes on on the internet? I am not a hunter and I couldn't care less if this method of hunting goes on, but I see no good reason to ban it. Being stupid is not enough to ban it.

Airencracken
04-22-2005, 11:29 AM
NPR has done 2 stories on this in the past months. The main argument for this, as presented by in the artice, is that it allows disable people to hunt.

if I may play devil's advocate for a minute, why is this such a bad idea? the animals are hunted on private property with someone on site overseeing it all. the hunter doesn't just shoot whenever they want, but the on site supervisor has to "unlock" the system before each shot. why should California be able to restrict the what goes on in Texas? And more importantly, why should California restrict anything that goes on on the internet? I am not a hunter and I couldn't care less if this method of hunting goes on, but I see no good reason to ban it. Being stupid is not enough to ban it.

Good points. I don't know if it should be banned, but it is retarded.

BrewMaster
04-22-2005, 11:35 AM
Good points. I don't know if it should be banned, but it is retarded.
i wholeheartedly agree that it is retarded. if i were to take up hunting it wouldn't be from the vantage point of my office. but it scares me when government seems to overstep its bounds.

Hypnotist
04-22-2005, 11:39 AM
I wonder if you could hack the system... Turn the rifle on the monitor, then on the CPU... Techno-Hara-Kiri, now that's fun! :)

bachviet
04-22-2005, 12:38 PM
It defeats the whole purpose of hunting. :2far:

Airencracken
05-04-2005, 10:55 AM
UPDATE

Ban proposed on online hunting
Posted on : Wed, 04 May 2005 16:18:00 GMT | Author : Jack Myers
News Category : General


The Fish and Game Commission, the wildlife regulatory body, in an effort to curb animal hunting over the Internet, has instructed the Department of Fish and Game to urgently draw up rules banning the sport, bypassing the three-year cycle usually followed for reviewing hunting regulations. The development follows a Texan Web site’s offer of firing at real animals through mouse clicks.

“We don’t think Californians should be able to hunt sitting at their computers at home,” said Steve Martarano, spokesperson, Department of Fish and Game.


Previously, a bill by Senator Debra Bowen asked for a ban on online hunting of prey through Web sites as also the import or export of the animal killed online. This bill is now pending before the state Assembly.

After the regulations are drafted, the public would get a chance to offer its opinions about the ban, pushing the adoption of such a ban to around August, Martarano said. A similar move is also being considered by 14 other American states as also the Congress.

Popular Californian hunting groups like Safari Club International, California Sportsmen’s Association, and the Outdoor Sportsman’s Coalition of California are supporting the ban, dubbing the online activity unsporting and unethical. However, the other lobby that supports online hunting contends that handicapped hunters can benefit from it.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/2674.html

nickel
05-04-2005, 11:30 AM
WHAT THE FLOCK? :angry: Texas? How Embarrassing...
"WHAT THE FLOCK?"

i love that :laugh:

Burzhui
05-04-2005, 02:26 PM
Dude... That's funny!
Dell's out of Texas.
Web Hunting's out of Texas... hmmmmm
It's A DAM CONSPIRACY!

and there are over 400 dams in texas... coincidence :eek3:

Hypnotist
05-04-2005, 07:47 PM
and there are over 400 dams in texas... coincidence :eek3:So I was right!!!


However, the other lobby that supports online hunting contends that handicapped hunters can benefit from it.
I wonder how many handicapped hunters there are? Answer... Millions! Personally, I think people that hunt purely for the trophy and not for the meat to feed their families are Mentally Handicapped.