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irwin
05-12-2005, 09:07 PM
http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=786 :(


Since the MPAA began its campaign to stomp out piracy in mid-December 2004, their main priority has been BitTorrent indexing sites that distribute movie torrents. As an example of their efforts, the MPAA eradicated such torrent sites as LokiTorrent, leaving only the "You can click, but you cannot hide" catch phrase as remnants. Although the MPAA concentrated mainly on movie piracy, the MPAA has shifted gears as those who distribute TV torrents are now targeted.

In a press release issued today, the MPAA has filed lawsuits against six (6) independent BitTorrent indexing sites. This move comes as little surprise, as many of the MPAA's members also hold considerable interest in TV production as well. In addition, according to a recent survey by Envisional, TV piracy (especially on BitTorrent) as increased by 150%.

“Internet thievery of all creative materials is unacceptable and these thieves need to realize they are not anonymous,” said MPAA President and CEO Dan Glickman.

“There are thousands of people in the entertainment industry who are working to develop, produce, and promote television shows. Those shows and those jobs are worth protecting. Every television series depends on other markets-syndication, international sales – to earn back the enormous investment required to produce the comedies and dramas we all enjoy and those markets are substantially hurt when that content is stolen. On these sites, anyone in the world can download entire television seasons in a single click.”

If we believe the movie industry’s statistics, the MPAA seems to have a better grip on the piracy situation than the RIAA. According to the RIAA, 90% of BitTorrent site operators who have been sued no longer offer torrent files. Also, the MPAA claims that the number of BitTorrent sites in existence has fallen by 40% since mid-December. The RIAA would kill for such numbers.

“Since we began shutting these sites down, the time that it takes to download a file on BitTorrent has increased exponentially which means the experience of downloading copyrighted films and TV shows is not what it used to be,” said Glickman. “We intend to make it even worse. Protecting the television industry is essential.”

This statement seems to contradict the experience many BitTorrent users testify to. Instead, users claim there are actually more torrent sites available and their BitTorrent journey remains on par with earlier experiences – providing they use indexing sites other than today’s targets…

So, who was sued by the MPAA today? Some very familiar faces in the BitTorrent community may be looking at their last days on the Internet.

Shuntv.net: This site has around 10,000 registered users in addition to catalogs TV torrents (or at least had.) The indexing portion of the site is "perm down" and links to the MPAA's press release.

Zonatracker.com: Zonatraker is a small Spanish torrent site, although it indexes many new movies in addition to TV shows. Zonatracker's indexing ability still appears operational.

Btefnet.net: Btefnet is a very large and well known torrent community of over 48,000 registered users. Many have called this community home since the fall of other larger torrent sites. Btefnet's tracker is still online.

Scifi-classics.net: This is a very small torrent site, and looking at the home page one would think the site is virtually dead (considering the last news update was in 2004.) However, the forums are quite active, with copious torrents tucked inside. Scifi's tracker is still online.

Cddvdheaven.co.uk: The MPAA was smart in the way they handled this site, and used its own statistics against it. "This site has over 8000 registered users,
and averaged over 1500 visits a day in March 2005 according to statistics
posted on the site." The tracking ability of this site remains intact.

Bragginrights.biz: This site is big on collecting donations – and probably will be more so in the coming days. "IF THE DONATIONS DO NOT GET ANY BETTER THEN THIS SITE WILL HAVE TO CLOSE." It appears the MPAA was quick to use this against this site, stating "It solicits donations to make money." We'll see how this situation plays out. It also appears the site's tracker is still online.

Since news of the MPAA's lawsuits only recently broke, it remains to be seen what action these sites will take. Although most are online at the moment, it should be expected they will slowly go off line in the coming hours and days.

hapoo
05-12-2005, 09:53 PM
I've been crying since this afternoon

Jenny
05-12-2005, 10:41 PM
I knew it was coming sometime. *keeping her mouth shut about those fu..erm, nice MPAA people*

Merlin
05-13-2005, 04:45 AM
Okay I can understand getting in trouble for sharing movies but TV shows? You just turn on the TV and get them for free anyway.

Okay, so where should I go to get episodes of Smallville now? :confused:

Jenny
05-13-2005, 06:21 AM
There are no ads when you download em. That's the big thing, I think.

Merlin
05-13-2005, 06:30 AM
Yeah but if I had to watch ads I would just use the remote to get around them. I just don't get it.

Jenny
05-13-2005, 06:33 AM
Believe me, I think it's ridiculous too. As I found out tho, doesn't make it any less illegal. heh

bachviet
05-13-2005, 07:57 AM
This is just stupid. :disa: Now where can I go and find those "24" early episodes?

cheapchinese
05-13-2005, 08:17 AM
omg... My apprentice :(
i wanna see the result
help help help :bawl:

BrewMaster
05-13-2005, 03:28 PM
man, I really hate the stupid ass MPAA. So if I set my VCR or TIVO to record it, it's totally legal, but if I get somewhere else it's illegal? Focking bastards.

avlena
05-13-2005, 03:36 PM
man, I really hate the stupid ass MPAA. So if I set my VCR or TIVO to record it, it's totally legal, but if I get somewhere else it's illegal? Focking bastards.

Jenny is right, the ads are a big deal. That's why DVR's don't include a "skip commercials" feature (at least, the ones i've seen don't), and instead you have to FFWD and guess when the commericals end.

Merlin
05-13-2005, 03:37 PM
I thought commercial skipping was one of their big selling features.

avlena
05-13-2005, 03:52 PM
I thought commercial skipping was one of their big selling features.

in that you can FFWD through them, but there isn't a single button which instantly removes all ads. it doesn't "skip" them, as much as allow you to speed through them.

doolittle
05-13-2005, 05:17 PM
we have a vcr that blanks out the commercials, is it legal? bummer they keep closing down these bt sites, at least my favorite ones arent on the list yet.......

Jenny
05-13-2005, 05:20 PM
This is just stupid. :disa: Now where can I go and find those "24" early episodes?

Blockbuster. :) No commercials, great picture, no weather interruptions, watch whenever you want. heh Scott & I are going to rent all the seasons this summer and hopefully this season will come out on dvd before next season starts so we can get caught up. lol

The ReplayTV older models have a commerical skip button. and a 30 second skip button as well. heh Newer ones don't, I don't think

Kevster
05-13-2005, 06:56 PM
Blockbuster. :) No commercials, great picture, no weather interruptions, watch whenever you want. heh Scott & I are going to rent all the seasons this summer and hopefully this season will come out on dvd before next season starts so we can get caught up. lol

The ReplayTV older models have a commerical skip button. and a 30 second skip button as well. heh Newer ones don't, I don't think

My replayTV 5080 unit has the commercial skip feature. I made my 5080 a 5160 thanks to the wonderful hacking resources out there. :D

All I can say is I LOVE the commercial skip feature!

It is apparently possible to downgrade the bios in the older 5500s to a 5000 series and re-enable the commercial skip feature. I haven't seen it done though.

Cantacuzene
05-13-2005, 08:26 PM
Okay I can understand getting in trouble for sharing movies but TV shows? You just turn on the TV and get them for free anyway.

Okay, so where should I go to get episodes of Smallville now? :confused:

That logic would also work for music and the radio. I agree with you however.

Screw them for giving away something for free and being surprised when people consider it a free commodity.

Devhux
05-13-2005, 08:26 PM
So THAT"S where btefnet.net went. :(

Now where am I going to get Doctor Who episodes?

BrewMaster
05-13-2005, 10:52 PM
DVRs would be useless if you can't edit out the commercials.

Jenny
05-13-2005, 11:26 PM
DVRs would be useless if you can't edit out the commercials.

Heck no. They ROCK compared to VCRs because you don't have to worry about tapes (getting them, rewinding, wearing them out, etc)

hapoo
05-14-2005, 02:30 AM
we have a vcr that blanks out the commercials, is it legal? bummer they keep closing down these bt sites, at least my favorite ones arent on the list yet.......


care to pm me some of these sites? :)

Memo
05-14-2005, 04:36 AM
care to pm me some of these sites? :)
:stupid: :shifty:

Merlin
05-14-2005, 04:54 AM
care to pm me some of these sites? :)
:stupid: Here too please. I am currently at a loss.


That logic would also work for music and the radio. I agree with you however.

Screw them for giving away something for free and being surprised when people consider it a free commodity.
Radio is a little different in that you need to guess when things happen. TV published beforehand what will be on.

I don't think they really cared all thatmuch until they discovered that people would actually pay money for TV shows on DVD.

Most of what I want to find are current episodes of shows (Smallville, Desperate Housewives, Dr. Who) not currently available on DVD. I want to see the latest Smallville. Not something from back in season 2.

BrewMaster
05-14-2005, 07:53 AM
yeah, we use torrents for the same purpose. if we can't watch a show for some reason, we just download it the next morning instead of setting the VC to tape it. After they finish construction on our complex (roof and siding replacements) we are going to get satellite and a DVR for sure.

revil
05-14-2005, 08:02 AM
great. I just lost my daily show. it's not available where i live. :(

cheapchinese
05-14-2005, 11:36 AM
hook me up if anyone else finds a site
pm me
:bawl: no more dailyshow

Grubbie
05-15-2005, 04:24 PM
This sucks, I know I don't have a pvr so I have to download shows I can't watch. I personally LOVE Las Vegas, but it is on at the same time as 24.

I understand about the not seeing commercials, but If I miss a couple episodes of 24 you can get to far behind. I would rather be able to download shows I miss so I can watch them when I want.

I think the future of tv will move towards on demand, where every show is on demand and you can watch when ever you want. That and product placement in the show to cut out commercials.

I hope another site pops up.

PrObLy
05-15-2005, 05:11 PM
I can help you guys out.

Is there a way to send a PM to everyone within a thread without having to go through and put all their names individually? If not, just shoot me a PM.


I think it sucks that the MPAA is doing this. I do understand it's against the fair use of the product (recording it for yourself vs distributing it to others via bittorrent), but, it's not like music (RIAA) in the sense that if you like the show you can't just go to the store and buy a tangible copy of that show or season without waiting months (some cases over a year) for it to arrive on DVD.

It is also unlike the radio because we are broadcast free over the air HD programs as compared to a mediocre free FM stream from our local radio stations. On top of that, if you miss your favorite tv show in HD, how long do you have to wait to see a rerun of it? If you miss a song on the radio, you can all but guarantee it will be played again in a few hours. Plus, with music we have the motivation to go purchase the album because what we hear on the radio is only one or two of the ~13 tracks from the disc. While with our TV shows, we are broadcast the show in its entirety....for free. (sans commercials which cost us time.....but they're on the radio too)

I'm sure that most people that were sharing/downloading their TV shows didn't even know it was wrongful.

I think a good idea would be for the networks to just create their own mediocre divX/Xvid copy of the episodes including the advertisements, create a torrent, and let people have at it. Or, maybe make a high quality rip of the show and charge a couple dollars per episode (with or without commercials, I'm sure people would pay).

What do you guys think?

Jenny
05-15-2005, 06:13 PM
I can help you guys out.

Is there a way to send a PM to everyone within a thread without having to go through and put all their names individually? If not, just shoot me a PM.


I think it sucks that the MPAA is doing this. I do understand it's against the fair use of the product (recording it for yourself vs distributing it to others via bittorrent), but, it's not like music (RIAA) in the sense that if you like the show you can't just go to the store and buy a tangible copy of that show or season without waiting months (some cases over a year) for it to arrive on DVD.

It is also unlike the radio because we are broadcast free over the air HD programs as compared to a mediocre free FM stream from our local radio stations. On top of that, if you miss your favorite tv show in HD, how long do you have to wait to see a rerun of it? If you miss a song on the radio, you can all but guarantee it will be played again in a few hours. Plus, with music we have the motivation to go purchase the album because what we hear on the radio is only one or two of the ~13 tracks from the disc. While with our TV shows, we are broadcast the show in its entirety....for free. (sans commercials which cost us time.....but they're on the radio too)

I'm sure that most people that were sharing/downloading their TV shows didn't even know it was wrongful.

I think a good idea would be for the networks to just create their own mediocre divX/Xvid copy of the episodes including the advertisements, create a torrent, and let people have at it. Or, maybe make a high quality rip of the show and charge a couple dollars per episode (with or without commercials, I'm sure people would pay).

What do you guys think?


Absolutely. It is moving that way. Unfortunately the tv execs have their heads up their asses and aren't moving as fast as technology demands. It's ridiculous the amount of money they could be making but are too far behind to realize it. People overseas would pay small amounts to be able to legally download the shows. And those of us fed up with our cable companies would pay as well. *sigh*

cheapchinese
05-15-2005, 11:35 PM
ygpm probly

Merlin
05-16-2005, 05:26 AM
I'm sure that most people that were sharing/downloading their TV shows didn't even know it was wrongful.
I didn't until I started seeing all the TV shows showing up on DVD. Once that happened the studios were going to have to do something to protect it.

guiseppewv
05-24-2005, 07:27 PM
That sucks...I think I would have liked btefnet....if I were to d/l torrents. :shifty:

Jenny
05-24-2005, 09:30 PM
They were slow compared to others that I won't talk about. *cry*

Grubbie
05-24-2005, 11:13 PM
I am still getting by, it is slower now then it used to be. The one thing i hate now about torrents is spyware is creeping in with some of the files....

revil
05-25-2005, 08:12 AM
I am still getting by, it is slower now then it used to be. The one thing i hate now about torrents is spyware is creeping in with some of the files....
How?! why are they watching me watch my freshly downloaded porn?!