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zippyjuan
05-13-2005, 11:22 AM
Microsoft to test automated PC tuneup service
May 13, 2005 1:01 PM EDT
REDMOND, Wash. - Microsoft Corp. is rolling out a test version of an all-in-one subscription service that aims to protect computer users from viruses and spyware and give them tools to make machines speedier.

The Redmond-based software company is distributing Windows OneCare to its 60,000 employees this week. It plans to run a larger invitation-only test this summer, then launch a full-scale test by year's end.

The company has not said when it would release the subscription service to consumers.

"We're going to take our time. We want to make sure we get this right the first time," said Ryan Hamlin, general manager for Microsoft's technology, care and safety team.

Microsoft hasn't set a price for an annual subscription, but Hamlin said it would include unlimited phone, e-mail and chat support.

Microsoft has spent three years developing the service, which would run only on the operating system's newest version: Windows XP with Service Pack 2, a major security upgrade released last summer.

The company has been devoting more attention to security in recent years as its flagship Windows operating system and market-leading Internet Explorer browser become chief targets for hackers and writers of viruses and spyware.

Microsoft had been expected to enter the antivirus business following its recent acquisition of two antivirus companies. The company already makes a free antispyware tool available for download, and Windows ships with firewall protection.

But the company says most users don't take full advantage of those products.

Among its features, Windows OneCare would offer two-way firewall protection. A green icon would be displayed if the service didn't detect any problems. A yellow icon would indicate a relatively low-priority problem, like some files that needed to be backed up. A red icon would signal a virus or some other critical problem that needed fixing.

PC users could set up OneCare to periodically perform maintenance work like cleaning up disks, repairing files and defragmenting hard drives so that bits of data aren't inefficiently spread out. The service would keep track of how long it takes a computer to boot up and pin down problems that might be making the machine run more slowly. And consumers could opt to have their files automatically backed up on CD or DVD.

Microsoft risks alienating security vendors in releasing its own, competing products, but if it doesn't do more to stem Internet attacks, it also risks further alienating customers unhappy with the multitude of threats already facing its ubiquitous software. Microsoft has downplayed the competitive angle, saying it is simply responding to requests from customers for more protection options.

Symantec Corp., a vendor of antivirus, firewall and, soon, antispyware products, said it was prepared to compete with Microsoft.

"Symantec has been the leading provider of effective protection against viruses for more than 15 years," the company said in a statement.

Finnish security vendor F-Secure suggested it would benefit from Microsoft giving increased attention to approaches that include live support. F-Secure threw down the gauntlet as it stressed its five years of experience with that approach.

"There is a long learning curve in producing a live security service," said Risto Siilasmaa, F-Secure's chief executive.

ribitch
05-13-2005, 11:33 AM
hmm, ms makes the software insecure, then decides to sell services that secure it.

i dont think there is any other industry that would allow something like this. make a flawed product, then sell the fix at an additional charge.

Markel
05-14-2005, 08:12 AM
If they can't get it right the first time, who would ever expect that they could get it right the second (or third or fourth...) time? :shrug:

cheapchinese
05-14-2005, 11:30 AM
lolz..
i can see this thread turn into something funny

Dave_7
05-14-2005, 12:24 PM
hmm, ms makes the software insecure, then decides to sell services that secure it.

i dont think there is any other industry that would allow something like this. make a flawed product, then sell the fix at an additional charge.

That's pretty much what cars are. They build them to fail, ultimately. Except now they come with warranties. I wonder if M$ will ultimately offer this service for one year free after activation... or something like that. That's an interesting thought.



Dave.

bachviet
05-14-2005, 12:59 PM
That's pretty much what cars are. They build them to fail, ultimately. Except now they come with warranties. I wonder if M$ will ultimately offer this service for one year free after activation... or something like that. That's an interesting thought.



Dave.
If cars were made with that many holes as M$ software, we would have more pple dying because of accidents.

ribitch
05-14-2005, 01:46 PM
That's pretty much what cars are. They build them to fail, ultimately. Except now they come with warranties. I wonder if M$ will ultimately offer this service for one year free after activation... or something like that. That's an interesting thought.



Dave.

you cant compare the two. Cars are like everything mechanical. They wear with use, and eventually will fail.

If you car does have a problem with its locks being faulty, and anyone can get in whether the car is locked or not, the manufacturer will replace the lock, as long as its under warranty.

why trust a company to secure the product that they made insecure to begin with? shouldnt they be obligated to secure that product to begin with?

Bires
05-14-2005, 08:25 PM
why trust a company to secure the product that they made insecure to begin with? shouldnt they be obligated to secure that product to begin with?

No. They should not be obligated.

Since we live in a supervised-capitalistic society, we should expect them to do what makes them the most money, and not whine about it. :bonk:


I happen to like MS products. So they aren't perfect. I'm fine with that. Most of my favourite things in the world (and people for that matter) are imperfect. :)

thekidrocks
05-14-2005, 08:36 PM
Okay - I'll take a different view on this one (just to be a pain :) )

But seriously, a lot of Windows problems are created by various events happening during the operation and use of the PC. That is why we have utilities such as Norton System Works/Norton Utilities. After so many hardware and software changes that didn't complete, with the OS working around them at a diminished level of performance.

Let's remember that Windows is supposed to run on countless variations of CPU, RAM, MB chipset, hardware configurations and so on. If we all had Mac running OS X, we would not have these problems - but most people choose Windows even when faced with a choise. Think about it... what I just said is true.

If Microsoft wants to enter the system fix tool arena, let them. Honestly, who is better at fixing these sort of Windows issues than Microsoft?

Dave_7
05-15-2005, 12:53 AM
...If you car does have a problem with its locks being faulty, and anyone can get in whether the car is locked or not, the manufacturer will replace the lock, as long as its under warranty...

Ummmmm, yeah. That was kind of the point of my post.


...I wonder if M$ will ultimately offer this service for one year free after activation... or something like that...



Dave.

Thesifer
05-15-2005, 04:43 AM
And besides.. Microsoft Needs to have more Backdoors into your System!.. Otherwise.. How are they going to take over the world in 2010??


On a Serious note.. If they want to do this.. Then let them.. As for the "Should have all the problems fixed" Thing.. Im not sure you can reasonable Expect them to figure out all of the Possible Security Holes that people will find.. considering those people will spend years upon years looking.. until they Find that one tiny entry point.. Atleast they get the major ones.. and work on fixing the ones that get reported.

Jeffbx
05-16-2005, 06:03 AM
I hate to be the MS cheerleader, but I just have to step on the FUD that's being thrown around in here.

I know it's fun to bash on MS, but they are the market leaders for a reason. They don't make software that's any more flawed or vulnerable than anyone else. They're attacked more often because of their huge user base, but that doesn't correlate with being less secure. I'd argue they are just as or even more secure than any of their competition, because they are better able to respond quickly to attacks. Let's review last time we discussed this:

Windows is more secure than Linux, and Apple takes 3 months to fix a critical security flaw. (http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84754)

OS X Riddled with security holes (http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74582)

I'd be more concerned with the companies that are NOT making security a main priority.