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nickel
05-24-2005, 11:54 AM
'It's a shock to me'
Reds designate slumping Graves for assignment
Posted: Monday May 23, 2005 4:21PM; Updated: Monday May 23, 2005 7:18PM

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This wasn't the finger that got Danny Graves into trouble.
AP

CINCINNATI (AP) -- Closer Danny Graves was let go by the Cincinnati Reds on Monday, a day after he made an obscene hand gesture at a fan taunting him over his latest poor performance.

The club's career saves leader was shocked by the decision to designate him for assignment, a move that ended his eight-year career in Cincinnati. The Reds have 10 days to trade him or put him on waivers.

"I always knew this day would come," Graves said. "I didn't think it would be so soon."

Graves gave up five ninth-inning runs in Cleveland's 9-2 victory Sunday at Great American Ball Park, then was booed and taunted by fans as he left the field.

He didn't react to the jeers as he walked off and got a drink in the dugout. When he moved to the end of the dugout by the bat rack, a man in one of the high-priced seats next nearby yelled at him. Graves yelled back and made an obscene hand gesture.

Graves spoke by telephone on Monday with general manager Dan O'Brien, who was out of town preparing for the amateur draft, and with other Reds officials.

"A lot of the off-field emotions had something to do with it, and last night when I flipped the man off had something to do with it," Graves said. "A fan cussed at me. I regret doing it. I planned on apologizing today."

Graves' latest tough outing raised his ERA to 7.76. He was 1-1 and had 10 saves in 12 chances.

The Reds had lost 18 of their last 23 games, falling out of contention in the NL Central. O'Brien said that Graves' encounter with the fan wasn't the main reason for the move.

"His performance has been unsatisfactory and unacceptable," O'Brien said, in a conference call. "It hasn't been up to the standards we've come to expect for the Cincinnati Reds organization. We appreciate Danny's contributions to the organization, and we hope he finds an opportunity with another major league club."

Graves, 31, hasn't been the same since he agreed to help the team by moving into the rotation in 2003. A career reliever, Graves wore down during a 4-15 season that took several miles per hour off his fastball and took a toll on his body. He was throwing around 88 mph this season, down from 94 mph in his prime.

"I changed roles and probably ruined my career," Graves said. "I don't know. I don't have the answers. I felt like I've been given up on. It's a shock to me. If I can recall, I'm not the only closer that has struggled."

Graves is in the final guaranteed year on a $17.25 million, three-year deal, making a base salary of $6.25 million. There was a mutual option for next season at $6.25 million, with no buyout.

If he clears waivers, a club could sign him for a prorated share of the $316,000 minimum, with the Reds paying the remainder of his salary.

Stunned teammates sat in folding chairs in the clubhouse after learning of the move, which leaves the team without a proven closer. Several players said Graves should have been given a chance to work out his problems.

"This is not his fault," first baseman Sean Casey said. "We stink. For us to be 15-28 has nothing to do with Danny Graves. That's the frustrating part for me.

"I know I'm a little emotional right now, but I think the Cincinnati Reds as an organization owe a lot more to Danny Graves for the eight years he stepped up every year. They owe him more than to just release him like this. I just disagree with it."

Outfielder Ken Griffey Jr. said he's never seen anything quite like the move.

"It's tough," Griffey said. "He's not a troublemaker. He's not a guy that complained. He wants the ball. It's just upsetting. It's a tough way to lose a guy that's been here and dedicated himself to the organization."

Graves criticized Reds fans for booing after the bullpen blew a six-run lead in the ninth inning against St. Louis on May 2, resulting in more boos and catcalls every time he appeared in a game the rest of the month.

"It became a confidence factor," manager Dave Miley said. "His confidence has been shaken in the month of May, and we weren't comfortable bringing him in certain situations. We weren't seeing what we were accustomed to seeing."

The rest of the bullpen has gone 0-for-3 in save situations this season. Miley isn't sure who will get the job.

"Without pinpointing one guy, we'll look at the matchups and different things like that," Miley said. "Hopefully somebody will run with it."

Casey said the move would hurt the team.

"No doubt about it," Casey said. "This is just like getting hit in the head with a shovel, basically. Guys love Danny Graves. I don't know how it doesn't affect you a little bit negatively."
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baggio248
05-24-2005, 01:02 PM
Now the Cubby's want to add him.


The Tribune's Dave van Dyck reports that Cubs manager Dusty Baker appears to be interested in adding reliever Danny Graves to his bullpen. The Reds designated Graves for assignment yesterday.

BrewMaster
05-24-2005, 01:32 PM
That's the way to improve your team, get rid of your closer. :rolleyes:

No matter what you think of him and his actions, he's a decent closer.

RIVERWIDOW
05-24-2005, 01:34 PM
This article makes it sound like the fan was just on him about his pitching but according to this mornings SaN Diego Tribune, the fan leaned into the dugout and yelled "go back to Vietnam,you (racial slur & swear words) . Graves who is part Vietnamese reacted with his own swear words and flipped the fan off.
Granted they get paid good money just to play ball but I think this is a little above and beyond what they should have to put up with. The home teams have to take some of the heat for not keeping a better collar on drunk and rowdy fans. The management didn't even tell him face to face. They called
him on the phone to tell him he was reassigned. Of course, the Reds have carried that no class label ever since Marge Schott owned them. I think they made a bad choice if this brings down the rest of the team because he was so popular. :thumbdown

Showtime
05-24-2005, 02:17 PM
:stupid:

This is definitely because of his struggles and not because of the finger.

And that goes for all sports.... If you are playing well, the team will cover you. Play poorly and they will use any excuse to get rid of you.

-j

Grubbie
05-24-2005, 03:15 PM
:stupid:

This is definitely because of his struggles and not because of the finger.

-j

Yup, i hate how it is being picked up about the finger, who gives a **** if he flicked a fan off. The reason he was let go is he gave up something like 30hits in 20innings, his whip, era are HORRIBLE.

Some time off and a new team would do great for him i believe.

AlpineJay
05-24-2005, 04:01 PM
Agreed. Graves is not the closer that he was in the past and the Reds let him go largely due to performance reasons - if his numbers were good then there's no way in hell that the Reds would have released him no matter what he did to the fans.

MikeD
05-24-2005, 04:36 PM
Previous posts are correct, Graves is not what he once was. But outright release? Nothing in return? That's not good business...the guy will get picked up, and probably would have brought at least a prospect or two in return in a trade.

Where has Jim Bowden gone? Oh yeah, sitting at 3 games over .500 in the NL East...

eSDee
05-24-2005, 04:36 PM
By releasing him the Reds are digging an even bigger hole. Can't say the fans don't deserve a crappy team though.

RIVERWIDOW
05-24-2005, 05:29 PM
Now the Cubby's want to add him.

I hope he goes to Chicago and kicks *ss. it would serve the Reds right. :)