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zippyjuan
06-15-2005, 12:25 AM
Last Updated: Wednesday, 15 June, 2005, 01:23 GMT 02:23 UK


Red meat 'linked to cancer risk'

There are health concerns over red meat
A major study has found fresh evidence of a link between red and processed meat and bowel cancer, scientists say.
The European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition (EPIC) looked at the dietary habits of over 500,000 people across Europe over 10 years.

Those eating over two 80g (80 gm= about 3 oz) portions of red meat a day were a third more likely to get bowel cancer than those eating less than one portion a week, it found.

EPIC's study is reported in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.

BOWEL CANCER RISK
There are 17 cases per 10,000 50-year-olds a year among the group eating more than two portions of red meat a day
There are 12 cases per 10,000 50-year-olds a year among the group eating less than one portion of red meat a week

Since it began, 1,330 people have developed bowel cancer.

The study also found a low fibre diet increased the risk of bowel cancer.

Eating poultry had no impact but the risk for people who ate one portion or more of fish every other day was nearly a third lower than those who ate fish less than once a week.

Strong evidence

Lead researcher Professor Sheila Bingham, of the MRC Dunn Human Nutrition Unit in Cambridge, said: "People have suspected for some time that high levels of red and processed meat increase risk of bowel cancer, but this is one of the largest studies worldwide and the first from Europe of this type to show a strong relationship."

Professor Bingham said there were several theories about why red meat should increase the risk of bowel cancer.

BOWEL CANCER
In England and Wales the lifetime risk of being diagnosed with bowel cancer is 1 in 18 for men and 1 in 20 for women
18,500 cases in men and over 16,000 cases in women are newly diagnosed each year
If the cancer is caught at an early stage, eight out of 10 cases can be treated

She believes the most likely explanation is that compounds called haemoglobin and myoglobin, which are found in red meat, trigger a process called nitrosation in the gut, which leads to the formation of carcinogenic compounds.

Alternatively, the problem might be caused by compounds called heterocyclic amines, carcinogenic compounds created in the cooking process.

However, these compounds are also found in poultry, which has not been linked to an increased cancer risk.

Professor Tim Key, of the charity Cancer Research UK, said: "This study strengthens evidence that bowel cancer risk can be cut by increasing fibre in the diet and reducing consumption of red and processed meat."

The researchers defined red meat was defined as beef, lamb, pork and veal.

The Meat and Livestock Commission (MLC) said people in Britain ate well below the 160g per day consumption levels that were used to class high intake in the study.

Mike Attenborough, MLC technical director, said: "Once again this points towards the need for moderation and balance in what we eat."

The study was funded by the Medical Research Council, Cancer Research UK and the International Agency for Research on Cancer.

hapoo
06-15-2005, 01:31 AM
wow, i love meat. I don't think i could cut down so drasticly for such a small return.

MikeD
06-15-2005, 05:19 AM
Last Updated: Wednesday, 15 June, 2005, 01:23 GMT 02:23 UK


Red meat 'linked to cancer risk'




Red meat also linked to "really, really good meals"... :thumb:

nickel
06-15-2005, 05:41 AM
ok, who eats two portions of red meat every day?

Those eating over two 80g (80 gm= about 3 oz) portions of red meat a day were a third more likely to get bowel cancer than those eating less than one portion a week, it found.
no one i know.

except.... steak was pretty staple here http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2004/12/21/inside-dvd-napeoleon.jpg

johnnymk
06-15-2005, 05:57 AM
Big jump..comparing 3 ounces per week to 42 ounces per week, and still only a 33% increase of cancer.

I went to a seminar 20 years ago concerning nutrition. The lady told us that if the digestive tract isn't kept cleaned then red meat which is not adequately chewed can decay, causing cancer in various spots, especially the illium. I believe that could also be a contributing factor to diseases like diverticulitis.

ialsohaveadream
06-15-2005, 07:29 AM
Big jump..comparing 3 ounces per week to 42 ounces per week, and still only a 33% increase of cancer.
:stupid:

Also, I'd recently gone over a month without red meat (not intentionally avoiding it...just hadn't had any), then ate about 8 burgers in two days thanks to some summer outdoor partying. Let me just say that the digestive tract was....unprepared for that onslaught. I think this time I might be a little more intentional in avoiding it for a while.

InfiniteNothing
06-15-2005, 07:59 AM
Big jump..comparing 3 ounces per week to 42 ounces per week, and still only a 33% increase of cancer.

I went to a seminar 20 years ago concerning nutrition. The lady told us that if the digestive tract isn't kept cleaned then red meat which is not adequately chewed can decay, causing cancer in various spots, especially the illium. I believe that could also be a contributing factor to diseases like diverticulitis.

Was she selling kalonics?

bachviet
06-15-2005, 08:05 AM
Stay away from my steak. :D

DarkFury
06-15-2005, 09:36 AM
Please pass the Porterhouse to me.... I'll take that risk. :lick:

LegendKiller
06-15-2005, 09:47 AM
I agree, there are some things in life that you do that increase risk but not that much and the benefits outweigh the costs.

33% increase, thats like saying 1/10,000,000 people will get it and now it is 1/6,666,666 chance. Wow, that sucks, but I am not going to stop eating my meat.

molecularfire
06-15-2005, 10:24 AM
I wonder if they controlled for the amount of fiber in the diet in the meat study. It is known that low fiber diets increase your risk of intestinal cancers and a lot of those who eat lots of red meats aren't exactly the type that will be munching on celery for fun. Anybody have the link to the article?


On a humorous note, technically eating food itself is a risk factor for cancer.
Scientists long ago tried feeding their lab mice carcinogens to grow cancers on their mice (in order to test treatment strategies). They found that those fed the carcinogens had lower rates of cancers than the controls because the carcinogens damaged the stomach/intestines which decreased the amount of food the mice ate which made them malnourished which resulted in lower rates of cancers.

Markel
06-15-2005, 10:42 AM
Rosemary extract to the rescue! (http://reuters.myway.com//article/20050615/2005-06-15T154425Z_01_B688623_RTRIDST_0_ODD-MEAT-DC.html)

blueindian
06-15-2005, 11:10 AM
ok, who eats two portions of red meat every day?

no one i know.

except.... steak was pretty staple here http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2004/12/21/inside-dvd-napeoleon.jpg


a lot of americans eat two portions of red meat each day. hell, a lot eat 3 or 4 every day. 3 oz is really small. it's hard to get a serving of red meat that small at pretty much any resturant in america. and i know a ton of folks who eat a double cheesebuger, philly cheese steak, t-bone, beef burrito, etc for luch or dinner every day.

StonedWheat
06-15-2005, 11:11 AM
Yeah red meat may cause prostate cancer and mad cow disease too...but i'll take my chances.

Showtime
06-15-2005, 11:19 AM
There are some things that people wont give up no matter the risk. For me, it's beef. :woo: :munch:

-j

Grafalgar
06-15-2005, 11:20 AM
m e a t.
k i l l.
y u m m.
:lick: :munch:

gugnheim
06-15-2005, 02:19 PM
Wow. I do. I have to get my 1.5g per lb of body weight of protein a day from somewhere and I get so tired of chicken...I do miss that about living in KC for the time I did..all the fresh steak.

Gotta keep building muscle back.

Gug

Houdini
06-15-2005, 03:01 PM
I wonder if they controlled for the amount of fiber in the diet in the meat study. It is known that low fiber diets increase your risk of intestinal cancers and a lot of those who eat lots of red meats aren't exactly the type that will be munching on celery for fun. Anybody have the link to the article?


On a humorous note, technically eating food itself is a risk factor for cancer.
Scientists long ago tried feeding their lab mice carcinogens to grow cancers on their mice (in order to test treatment strategies). They found that those fed the carcinogens had lower rates of cancers than the controls because the carcinogens damaged the stomach/intestines which decreased the amount of food the mice ate which made them malnourished which resulted in lower rates of cancers.

:stupid:
This is old news, as the red meat / colon cancer correlation has been kicked around for years now. I don't know of any studies that have controlled for cancer-reducing factors like fiber.

BBQ beef is supposed to be even more carcinogenic due to some compounds found in charcoal and others formed when the meat is burned.

I'm still a devoted carnivore.

Showtime
06-15-2005, 03:11 PM
I have to get my 1.5g per lb of body weight of protein a day from somewhere and I get so tired of chicken...I do miss that about living in KC for the time I did..all the fresh steak.


Shakes are a good way to supplement.... low fat/carb, high protein. Not that expensive anymore and can add some variety to your protein intake.

And there's still various meats, chicken, turkey, fish.... Lot's of choices, imo.

-j

gugnheim
06-15-2005, 04:58 PM
Oh believe me, I use plenty of powders. Biotest's lowcarb-Grow! is the best, tastes like dessert, mixes very well. Plus I add no calorie baker's flavors to it as well, to get combos like cherry vanilla, etc.

I need about 420 grams/protein a day so I have to mix it up to keep adding the muscle without blowing away my other caloric requirements. But I will always reach for the steak first. Not a fish fan, so I take my 25-20 salmon oil caps a day as well.

Getting very good results coming back from surgery, still not in the shape I was pre-broken back, but getting there. I'm hoping to start competing in strength competitions again in the future. At least I got nickel's seal of approval..lol

Gug

guiseppewv
06-15-2005, 07:16 PM
Please pass the Porterhouse to me.... I'll take that risk. :lick:

:stupid:

That is something I cannot give up.

ooBaKeep
06-15-2005, 07:19 PM
Oh Crimey... what isn't linked to cancer. I am sure if they did a study my post somehow will cause cancer in my fingers and make them fall off.


Where's the beef? :|

InfiniteNothing
06-15-2005, 08:06 PM
Oh Crimey... what isn't linked to cancer.
Dark leafy greens ;)

nickel
06-15-2005, 11:53 PM
Oh believe me, I use plenty of powders. Biotest's lowcarb-Grow! is the best, tastes like dessert, mixes very well. Plus I add no calorie baker's flavors to it as well, to get combos like cherry vanilla, etc.

I need about 420 grams/protein a day so I have to mix it up to keep adding the muscle without blowing away my other caloric requirements. But I will always reach for the steak first. Not a fish fan, so I take my 25-20 salmon oil caps a day as well.

Getting very good results coming back from surgery, still not in the shape I was pre-broken back, but getting there. I'm hoping to start competing in strength competitions again in the future. At least I got nickel's seal of approval..lol

Gug
that's a big - OH YEH! :thumb:


Dark leafy greens ;)
give it time, they'll be linked. :gle:

actually, wash those greens well before you eat them or the pesticides on them will cause the cancer. :eek3:

gugnheim
06-16-2005, 12:04 AM
What was the old saying...research causes cancer in rats...
Gug