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Itsme
08-02-2005, 08:38 AM
Police blotter: Upset eBay buyer makes house call
Published: July 29, 2005, 8:36 AM PDT
By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com

"Police blotter" is a weekly report on the intersection of technology and the law. This episode: an eBay deal goes awry.

What: Dispute over quality of Pfaltzgraff Heritage tumblers that were purchased on eBay.

When: Arrest made September 2001, case decided July 20, 2005.

Outcome: After being arrested on charges of stalking an eBay seller, Jay Howard Rothhaupt sued. He largely (but not entirely) lost before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit.

What happened: When Rothhaupt bought a set of Pfaltzgraff Heritage tumblers on eBay for $59, he was unhappy with the quality. Even after eBay sellers Seldon and Phyllis Scott offered a full refund plus return shipping costs, Rothhaupt remained irked.

After sending a string of nasty e-mail messages alleging fraud, Rothhaupt apparently thought he could secure a better response by showing up in person. So he drove from Pennsylvania to Kentucky, showed up at the Scotts' home and demanded $100.

It's not clear what happened next. The Scotts claimed that Rothhaupt refused to leave and they called the police (Seldon Scott is a special deputy with the county sheriff's department). Rothhaupt said he left the property when requested.

Seldon Scott followed Rothhaupt in his own car. Not long after, Rothhaupt was pulled over on interstate 71 by police and frisked. After acknowledging he had a rifle in the back of his car that he said was used for target shooting, Rothhaupt was arrested on charges of second-degree stalking, harassing communications, theft by deception, and third-degree criminal trespass. He was tried on two of the four charges and acquitted by a jury.

In response, Rothhaupt sued in federal court alleging his constitutional rights had been violated. The three-judge panel ruled in favor of the Scotts and the sheriff's department on all grounds but one, saying that the only claim that might have merit is that Rothhaupt was wrongfully arrested.

Quote: "We disagree with the district court on the propriety of the arrest, because (the deputy) lacked probable cause. Under the Fourth Amendment, an officer 'may not seize an individual except after establishing probable cause that the individual has committed, or is about to commit, a crime.'" --from the court opinion

DarkFury
08-02-2005, 08:50 AM
Geez... what a nut ball...

They gave him a full refund plus return shipping and he STILL wasn't happy.

I hope that guy likes his new roommate "Bubba" in the joint... Maybe Bubba will make that guy his special "tumbler". :heh:

Grimm
08-02-2005, 09:58 AM
Why do people feel they have more comming to them than they put into something? He was offered a full refund in cluding shipping. That shows good faith on the sellers part. This guy obviouly has something wrong with him upstairs.

Paymaster
08-02-2005, 12:17 PM
I hope that guy likes his new roommate "Bubba" in the joint... Maybe Bubba will make that guy his special "tumbler". :heh:

Ummm... I'm pretty sure that when people are "acquitted" as he was, they don't go to jail. :)

DarkFury
08-02-2005, 02:12 PM
Ummm... I'm pretty sure that when people are "acquitted" as he was, they don't go to jail. :)
Yup... you're right...

But honestly, a nut job like that probably deserves to be incarcerated... and I'd assume that he did spend "some" time in jail following the arrest... even though he didn't stay there long enough for Bubba to get cozy with him.

People have been tossed into jail for less... (Yeah.... "target practice" rifle... :shifty: :hmm: )

DarkFury
08-02-2005, 02:38 PM
Erroneous post... please delete.

MrGreg
08-02-2005, 03:15 PM
Triple post

So that's how you got so many posts!

DarkFury
08-02-2005, 08:23 PM
So that's how you got so many posts!
Dayuum...

The server was doing some weird things earlier...

GAM.. please feel free to remove the extra posts at your leisure... Sorry about that.

bachviet
08-02-2005, 08:55 PM
So that's how you got so many posts!
:heh:

He's crazy... He probably used that in court. :P

CynJon
08-02-2005, 09:34 PM
Imagine what he'd have done if the seller had given him negative feedback...:eek: :woo:

I'd like to read the email exchanges between the two of them...

thresher
08-03-2005, 06:18 AM
On that note - to the jerk in Jamaica NY who stole $500 worth of stereo equipment and 20 hours (worth of time) of investigation from me and UPS and PayPal and my credit card company: if I could have showed up at your door I would have. With a cop to get my stuff back. In 2001 you had a prayer (and not much more) of a bad ebay deal going back your way. These days, unless someone has a really high feedback and no negatives I won't go buy or sell with them. Too much money lost. :(

Merlin
08-03-2005, 06:39 AM
But honestly, a nut job like that probably deserves to be incarcerated...
Yeah, arrest him for being crazy. Screw actually having to commit a crime. :bandit:

DarkFury
08-03-2005, 07:52 AM
Yeah, arrest him for being crazy. Screw actually having to commit a crime. :bandit:
Terrorizing someone over a refunded eBay item... by coming to their house and having a gun in the car is pretty dayuum close to a crime in my book.

Do you want to wait until AFTER he has shot everyone in the house....? :hmm:

(Heh... of course had he been Black, they woulda put him UNDER the jail on the first call. :heh: (j/k.... or am I? :hmm: )