San Diego - 94.1 FM J&J Morning Show Drama Club Thread

[Dawnski]

AND...since she said that something very serious that she never thought was a possbility...my guess is that she may be getting partial to no custody of the kids. No judge is going to give full or unsupervised custody of kids sooooooo young to someone fresh out of rehab. With the foolish things that she's been telilng us about in her diary, methinks the mediator probably made it clear that she has a long way to go before they'll be willing to give her charge of a 3 year old and 7 year old, especially when there IS a viable and steady custodial parent in the picture.

I'm sure that she never envisioned that she could lose her kids up her nose...and honestly that makes me sad. She made horrible choices so many years ago that will haunt her in so many ways for the rest of her life. Rehab is step 1 of about 50 steps she has to take. This MAY force her to finally accept full responsibility and face the truth of life. Maybe.

I don't think that she will take any responsibility for this. She will continue to blame others and feel sorry for herself.

[pax]

Don't most addicts say they have to hit rock bottom before they get help? And that "rock bottom" is defined by the addict. So, LBM went to rehab by force, I think. In her eyes perhaps she didn't hit rock bottom. So she's still in denial that she even has a serious problem. ?? Drugs are the just the tip of the iceberg for LBM.

[boris85]

Don't most addicts say they have to hit rock bottom before they get help? And that "rock bottom" is defined by the addict. So, LBM went to rehab by force, I think. In her eyes perhaps she didn't hit rock bottom. So she's still in denial that she even has a serious problem. ?? Drugs are the just the tip of the iceberg for LBM.

She will never take responsibility. Some "kumbaya chanting; past-life loving; I see orbs above your head; let's get introspective; discover your sensitive side; I've watched Poltergeist (don’t go to the light Tangina – no wait, that’s Laura’s boozer mom) too many times; vortex searching; mail certificate ‘counselor’" has probably convinced her that all of her actions were the result of Dave's belief in structure and responsibility.

[pax]

So, Boris, do you see now that I am not on the LBM Band Wagon?

[garybear]

Don't most addicts say they have to hit rock bottom before they get help? And that "rock bottom" is defined by the addict. So, LBM went to rehab by force, I think. In her eyes perhaps she didn't hit rock bottom. So she's still in denial that she even has a serious problem. ?? Drugs are the just the tip of the iceberg for LBM.

...And admit that they are "powerless" over the alcohol and/or drug. I have had family members hit "rock bottom" many times but fail to truly admit that they are powerless. LBM may have hit rock bottom but it does not sound like she admitted the other part to herself.

[Sapphie]

Ok, 'fess up....which one of you sent this joke in to the J & J Email Blog?


For Laura :)
Wednesday, December 12, 2007 at 12:16pm

I've been a long time listener to your show and have never called or written. I am so touched by Laura's diary and just wanted to tell her how much I admire her and want her to know time will heal and to hang in there. I think she is an awesome person, mom to her children and I am proud of her. I really enjoy all of you on the showgram too.

[Sapphie]

Flob Log today:

Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:45am: Happy Birthday Mr. Sinatra! True story: Susan Reynolds used to manage Frank Sinatra. I knew Susan from on the phone doing radio stuff. I wanted to give Jerry an autograph from Frank Sinatra for Jerry's birthday. Sinatra doesn't do autographs. I called Susan and said Jerry was "not going to live forever" WHICH IS A TRUE STATEMENT and if she could help me out by getting Mr. Sinatra to autograph to Jerry Happy Birthday Frank Sinatra--------Guess what? 2 days later in the mail COMES the autograph and I give it to Jerry for his birthday and he has it up in his office at home and he stares at it all the time---today Jerry will do a shot a Jack Daniels and salute that picture and say HAPPY BIRTHDAY FRANK!

Okay, I just got home and sat in my living room. I'm all by myself at this moment and I just thought about the wonderful night I had with all the regulars coming over to my house. It was an amazing time!
Then, I'm thinking about the year and going up and down and up as I said in a few blogs. Then I realized about all the parties we all are having and going to over the next few days. Then I said to myself....Ya know SCREW IT! Who cares about getting a head start in working out and eating right RIGHT NOW....SCREW IT! Who cares about how you look? JUST WEAR HEAVY CLOTHES it's cold out there. If you have a few chins like ME, wear a turtle neck or a scarf or have people take pictures of you ONLY from a down angle. EAT AND EAT AND BE MERRY!

Here's the plan: 1st Saturday in January lets all meet up at Torrey Pines to start the new year off right by working out. HOW DUMB of me to start that regime in frickin DECEMBER. What was I thinking. Lets eat it up and drink it up and start working out in January---the first Saturday and then we'll take it from there.

Now, that's reality. To all the people who are saying "wow, Tommy looks fat"......Guess what? YOUR EYES ARE REALLY GOOD! GOOD FOR YOU! This year is the best year ever for me. My children are great. My mom is looking better and getting better. I'm getting close to my sisters. My work is at an all time high and the success of the website and the show is doing pretty darn good. I have a fiance.....I work out on a regular basis and guess what-----------------I LIKE TO FRICKIN EAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SURPRISE! YIPPPEEEE!

So, I'm going to eat the leftovers the regulars left here and I'm not going to feel one bit of guilt. To all the people that are going to parties and eating salad and drinking water-----------SHAME ON YOU! :)

Okay, remember the plan is to meet the first Saturday at Torrey Pines. Some of the regulars will continue to do all the walks in December, maybe I will or maybe I'll eat. Who knows.

All I know is that I will be there on the first Saturday in January at 9am a couple of pounds heavier than I am right now and a shirt that will fit a little tighter than right now BUT I will have some FUN MEMORIES over the next 19-20 days. 19-20 days of eating anything? MERRY CHRISTMAS BABY!

Have fun with this SDGirl! :)

[garybear]

Ok, 'fess up....which one of you sent this joke in to the J & J Email Blog?
I know who it was...it was Laura!

[Sapphie]

Now, that's reality. To all the people who are saying "wow, Tommy looks fat"......Guess what? YOUR EYES ARE REALLY GOOD! GOOD FOR YOU!

Um...your son was one of the people who said you look really, really fat.....

[Sapphie]

I know who it was...it was Laura!

You are probably right...although at first I was convinced it was Davecain....

[Sapphie]

2 days later in the mail COMES the autograph and I give it to Jerry for his birthday and he has it up in his office at home and he stares at it all the time...this is because, in Jer's alcoholic stupor he fondly imagines he is looking at a picture of his wife..

[Sapphie]

LBM called Tubby's bench a "memorial."
Does that mean he will do us all a favor and go away soon so all we have are the "fond" memories? (Memorials are usually for dead people!)
Yes, memorials are usually for dead people which means that what we thought was Flubby in the recent webisode is really an orb and the voice we heard today on the showgram was really a pigment of our imagination.

[garybear]

You are probably right...although at first I was convinced it was Davecain....

or she typed it out for one of the kids to send.

[SDGirl87]

Flob Log today:

Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:45am: Happy Birthday Mr. Sinatra! Isn't he dead? True story: Susan Reynolds used to manage Frank Sinatra. I knew Susan from on the phone doing radio stuff. I wanted to give Jerry an autograph from Frank Sinatra for Jerry's birthday. Sinatra doesn't do autographs. That's because he's dead. I called Susan and said Jerry was "not going to live forever" WHICH IS A TRUE STATEMENT Wait, Jerry isn't going to live forever??? I'm sorry, I don't recall approving that memo. Elf #9...put your pants BACK ON and bring me that darn memo to re-read please! and if she could help me out by getting Mr. Sinatra to autograph to Jerry Happy Birthday Frank Sinatra Why? wasn't it JERRY'S bday? Why would he make it out to himself? I'm so confused. Someone please hand me the kool aid.--------Guess what? WHAT??? 2 days later in the mail COMES the autograph and I give it to Jerry for his birthday and he has it up in his office at home and he stares at it all the time This is ALMOST too easy. He stares at it because he has nothing better to stare at? He's more turned on by dear Frankie than his wife? (not that there's anything wrong with that...)---today Jerry will do a shot a Jack Daniels and salute that picture and say HAPPY BIRTHDAY FRANK! again, and hopefully for the last time, Mr. Sinatra is no longer with us.

Okay, I just got home and sat in my living room. Profound. Go on...I'm on the edge of my seat I'm all by myself at this moment no admiring audience?and I just thought about JUST thought about it? Like right now, at this very moment, just thought it? COOLthe wonderful night I had with all the regulars not to be personal or anything, but how do you know about their rest room habits?? That seems to be TMI for even my closest friendscoming over to my house. It was an amazing time! Somewhere along the same vein as the 3-Day walk? Oh wait, that wasn't about you...ummm..oh, I know, the VH concert...oops, again, not about you. Ummmm...OHHHHHHHHHHH....the day you got your "first ever" birthday cake with candles! Gotcha. Go on.
Then moving on from the "all about me night" thoughts to 2008. Ok still with ya..., I'm thinking about the year and going up and down and up and up and up and up...mathematically as I said in a few blogslast FEW? Try every single one since day 1. FEW???LOL. Then I realized about all the parties we all are having WE'RE having? Who's having? ALL the parties?? What did I miss? Damnit Elf 9...I need the memo list again please. CLEARLY someone is messing with my copies and going to over the next few days How much partying are you planning on doing?. Then I said to myself ahhh...a captive audience!....Ya know SCREW IT!sure! you can't find anyone...errr...thing else to screw! Who cares about getting a head start in working out and eating right RIGHT NOW....SCREW IT! that's a lot of screwing. I'm just saying (not that there's anything WRONG with it) Who cares about how you look? CLEARLY not Michelle JUST WEAR HEAVY CLOTHES it's cold out there Yeah, a brisk 60 degrees. Talk about needing to dress in heavy layers!! I don't know how we're all going to make it!. If you have a few chins like ME, wear a turtle neck please don't insult turtles like this. Jerry might not like itor a scarf yeah, cause then NO ONE will know that your neck is the size of my thigh or have people take pictures of you ONLY from a down angle Won't work. You can't hide those devil eyes from any angle. EAT AND EAT AND BE MERRY! What? No drinking? Oh that's right. I forgot, you are working on sobriety again. My apologies.

Here's the plan: 1st Saturday in January For those of you without a calendar handy, that would be Saturday, January 5lets all meet up at Torrey Pines to start the new year off right by working out. Working out implies far more than a leisurly stroll. Besides, why would you meet up at Torrey Pines? You have this nifty new bench at Cowles Mountain that your BEST FRIENDS just spent a ton of money on. At least grace it with your a&& or something. HOW DUMB of me FINALLY, WE AGREE!!!to start that regime in frickin DECEMBER.Yeah, why bother doing something that is hard? Oh by the way Tubsy? I've managed to lose 15 lbs in the last 9 weeks...including the Thanksgiving holiday and "ALL" of the parties that I've been attending. I figured why wait until January when it's so cliche? The better me starts when I decide. I decided NOW. What was I thinking. Really? Is it this easy? LOL Lets eat it up and drink it up ahhh...that's better and start working out in January---the first Saturday and then we'll take it from there.Take it where? To Cleveland? It's cold there, you may want to dress in thick layers.

Now, that's reality. It is? Who's reality? To all the people who are saying "wow, Tommy looks fat"......Guess what? YOUR EYES ARE REALLY GOOD! GOOD FOR YOU! Aww shucks, thanks! (blush) This year is the best year ever for me Yeah, I'm sure it beats out the years that your kids were born or the years you were slapped with restraining orders. My children are great.Thank you again, Dannell. You are such a great Mom!! My mom is looking better and getting better.She's always looking and getting better. If she's getting and looking so much better for so long, she must look about 20 years old and be in Herculean shape, right? I'm getting close to my sisters really? the sisters who won't talk to you? interesting how we each choose to define "close". I'm close to my brothers...I see one every weekend and the other I talk to almost daily. We actually LIKE each other and choose to spend time together, just because.. My work is at an all time high Do you mean that YOU are at an all time high while at work? Wait, do you work?? 4 hours a day? Must be nice. and the success of the website UGH. GAG. We all know that you are directly responsible for the success of the website. I'm sure it's a professional boon on your resume. and the show is doing pretty darn good Really? Have you listened to it lately? You are in a majority of one with that opinion.. I have a fiance for now.....I work out on a regular basis Sure you do. Once a month for 10 minutes is regular.and guess what-----------------I LIKE TO FRICKIN EAT you don't say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SURPRISE! YIPPPEEEE! HEY, that's MY WORD

So, I'm going to eat the leftovers the regulars left here uh....that was "40 people" (I didn't see nearly that many on the Tommy Tube, but I digress) worth of food and leftovers!!!!!!!!!!!! You can feed all of Rhode Island with that! and I'm not going to feel one bit of guilt.Which is different from normal how exactly? To all the people that are going to parties and eating salad and drinking water-----------SHAME ON YOU! :)Why? because we enjoy making healthy choices? SHAME on us??

Okay, remember the plan is to meet the first Saturday at Torrey Pines Got it. I think I'm busy that day. I have to re-organize my tax returns for the last 12 years. Darn the luck. . Some of the regulars will continue to do all the walks in December, maybe I will or maybe I'll eat Ok...let's place Vegas odds on which he'll choose. I say 10:1 that he'll walk...and abstain from food completely. Any takers?. Who knows. I DO! I DO!

All I know Hmm...that's 2x now that we agree. This is getting scaryis that I will be there on the first Saturday in January at 9am a couple of pounds heavier than I am right now And how will you be able to tell? What's 20-30 lbs between friends, right?and a shirt that will fit a little tighter you mean we'll get to see that ghastly blue shirt fitting TIGHTLY? Be still my heart. I may need to sit down...I don't know if my mind can take all that raw masculinity than right now BUT I will have some FUN MEMORIES over the next 19-20 days 20-30 lbs...that's a doable goal. 19-20 days of eating anything? MERRY CHRISTMAS BABY! Please don't call me Baby. We hardly know each other.

Have fun with this SDGirl! :) Glad to!! I'm in a mood today!!!

[11ListenerNot]

Now, that's reality. To all the people who are saying "wow, Tommy looks fat"......Guess what? YOUR EYES ARE REALLY GOOD! GOOD FOR YOU!
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Gee Tubs, a little passive-agressive behavior towards the DC members perhaps??

[zodiac]

SDGirl, you are rockin' it out today! Hope your boss doesn't mind your shenanigans, you are very entertaining!

[SDGirl87]

SDGirl, you are rockin' it out today! Hope your boss doesn't mind your shenanigans, you are very entertaining!


One of the advantages to what I do :) I'm at a computer all day long and it's a simple click onto any other window to make you all simply disappear until a more convenient time ;0)

I'm just in a mood today! Someone pushed a button and I'm annoyed. This is therapy...lol.

[DreamerGal]

One of the advantages to what I do :) I'm at a computer all day long and it's a simple click onto any other window to make you all simply disappear until a more convenient time ;0)

I'm just in a mood today! Someone pushed a button and I'm annoyed. This is therapy...lol.

I was there the day before yesterday, SDGirl. I feel your pain!

[Sapphie]

Clearly SDGirl is so hot today we could all be seriously charred from being within a couple of feet of her....thank goodness for whoever pressed her pith buttons today....I L'd MAO :)
You were quick off the mark with that one SDGirl and I can't possibly top yours but I felt compelled too add my own retorts. A couple are similar to yours, sorry....great minds an' all that) :)


Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:45am:

Then, I'm thinking about the year and going up and down and up(and up, and up...) as I said in a few blogs. Then I realized about all the parties we all are having and going to over the next few days. Then I said to myself....Ya know SCREW IT! Who cares about getting a head start in working out and eating right RIGHT NOW....SCREW IT!(Flubbs is starting to sound like that crazed Britney fan) Who cares about how you look?(Maybe Michelle doesn't care how you look but judging from the pained expression on her face in the pic. above the FlubLog I'm guessing she does care about the amount of weight restricting her ability to suck in some fresh oxygen) JUST WEAR HEAVY CLOTHES it's cold out there. If you have a few chins like ME, wear a turtle neck or a scarf or have people take pictures of you ONLY from a down angle.(And about 100 yards away) EAT AND EAT AND BE MERRY!(Way to be an inspiration to all your over weight friends)

Here's the plan: 1st Saturday in January lets all meet up at Torrey Pines to start the new year off right by working out. HOW DUMB of me to start that regime in frickin DECEMBER. What was I thinking. Lets eat it up and drink it up(Way to be supportive of Laura) and start working out in January---the first Saturday and then we'll take it from there.

Now, that's reality. To all the people who are saying "wow, Tommy looks fat"......Guess what? YOUR EYES ARE REALLY GOOD! GOOD FOR YOU! This year is the best year ever for me. My children are great. My mom is looking better and getting better. I'm getting close to my sisters. My work is at an all time high and the success of the website and the show is doing pretty darn good.(Poor thing...he's having hallucinations now) I have a fiance.....(what's his name then?)I work out on a regular basis and guess what-----------------I LIKE TO FRICKIN EAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SURPRISE! YIPPPEEEE!(He's been reading SDGirl's posts)

All I know is that I will be there on the first Saturday in January at 9am a couple of pounds(a couple?...are you kidding?..all this over indulgence is going to add at least the weight of a healthy cow) heavier than I am right now and a shirt that will fit a little tighter than right now(a deeply unattractive visual) BUT I will have some FUN MEMORIES over the next 19-20 days. 19-20 days of eating anything? MERRY CHRISTMAS BABY!(and to you too honey...you've really summed up what the true meaning of Christmas is all about)

[Wabbitsd]

"Now, that's reality. To all the people who are saying "wow, Tommy looks fat."

Now, who would say an unkind thing like that to FH? And who would believe for a second he would say something unkind back, instead of "God Bless you!"?

[SDGirl87]

"Now, that's reality. To all the people who are saying "wow, Tommy looks fat."

Now, who would say an unkind thing like that to FH? And who would believe for a second he would say something unkind back, instead of "God Bless you!"?


Who sneezed? :spock:

[SDGirl87]

Clearly SDGirl is so hot today we could all be seriously charred from being within a couple of feet of her....thank goodness for whoever pressed her pith buttons today....I L'd MAO :) MERRY CHRISTMAS BABY!(and to you too honey...you've really summed up what the true meaning of Christmas is all about)[/I]

No worries Sapphie. I save my ire for those who irk me. You my dear DC IF's are safe :hug: :kiss:

[iamsheens]

Glad to!! I'm in a mood today!!!

Don't you know that when your a big deal you can get autographs, even from the dead....I thought everyone knew that...haha

they are ridiculous

And why on earth did these so called best friends get him a bench dedicated to him? all that means is less working out he will do because he will be too busy admiring the "BIG DEAL" bench or sitting on it cause walking from the car to the bench was such a work-out....sounds like his new friends are just as shallow as him....i didn't think such a think could exist...

[Wabbitsd]

Did they maybe get him the bench cause he could hardly make it up and back without needing to sit his big old fat ego down?

[zodiac]

Anyone watch Tummybloob yet? All I could notice was that he went on for several minutes about this has been his best year ever because in July he first met "her" and he walked behind "her" because she was wearing short shorts and she had her little baby with "her" and it has since changed his life (blahblahblah). Someone yells out "What's her name?" and of course it's Michelle, but Tommy never ONCE looks at her!! He looks down or up, but never to anyone in particular and especially not at Michelle. It's so weird! If you love her so much and think so highly of her, then look her in the eyes dammit!
Ok, rant over, that's all.

[MomCat]

How soon do we think it will be before someone "defaces" his new bench? :bash:

[11ListenerNot]

How soon do we think it will be before someone "defaces" his new bench?
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Baaahaaaaaaaaa!! Good one! You guys are certainly on a roll today!!

[DreamerGal]

Anyone watch Tummybloob yet? All I could notice was that he went on for several minutes about this has been his best year ever because in July he first met "her" and he walked behind "her" because she was wearing short shorts and she had her little baby with "her" and it has since changed his life (blahblahblah). Someone yells out "What's her name?" and of course it's Michelle, but Tommy never ONCE looks at her!! He looks down or up, but never to anyone in particular and especially not at Michelle. It's so weird! If you love her so much and think so highly of her, then look her in the eyes dammit!
Ok, rant over, that's all.

I totally agree, Zodiac. That's what has bugged me from the beginning. The way he talks about her, but never to her. The way he places her oddly between others, i.e., "My family, my friends, my kids, my mom and Michelle." It's as if she's an afterthought, or doesn't fit into any of those categories. Usually, when I'm talking about my guy, I put his name first, not somewhere among the hundreds of admirers I have. :) I also consider him family, even though we're not yet married.

And definitely, when I talk to my love, I have to look into his eyes, because I love him, and I love looking at him.

This Tubby-Two-Ton and Moochie ... it's a very odd relationship, very bad acting, or both.

[DreamerGal]

How soon do we think it will be before someone "defaces" his new bench? :bash:

I think what we should do is bring up some paint, paint the cheeks on our asses, then sit all pretty in a row on Tubby's bench. Rainbow colors, and A$$ ... perfect Christmas "memorial" gift for the Tubster.

[11ListenerNot]

Ok, a couple of thoughts about flubbytube:

Tummy never dresses this good at home. For him he was almost in party attire.

Also, how in the heck did they get all of that food in the house and in the fridge without his knowledge? As much as he eats surely he would have noticed food in the house.

Someone earlier said it was fake. I agree.

[Wabbitsd]

"The way he talks about her, but never to her. The way he places her oddly between others, i.e., "My family, my friends, my kids, my mom and Michelle." It's as if she's an afterthought, or doesn't fit into any of those categories."

She is a non-human, mrerely a ticket to acceptance to the social tier to which he believes he is deserving. As all the people involved in his life. His kids are just tools to use to enhance his own ego, and Michelle is also just a tool in his life to try to ratchet himself out of his own personal insecurities.

[Dawnski]

How soon do we think it will be before someone "defaces" his new bench? :bash:

Someone should TP it! See how he likes it.

[zodiac]

So now if it gets TP'd, he'll think it was one of us and hate us even more! Hooray! :)

[boris85]

I keep imagining Tummy as one of those twisted adults who wear diapers and bonets, drink bottles, and sleep in giant cribs. The horror!!! "Who's my special little baby?" "I am mommy Michelle..." "Now change me!!"

[zodiac]

Anyone know which local radio station is playing 24/7 Christmas music? I know 96.5 is playing Christmas music often, but is there a station with non-stop holiday tunes?
Thanks!

[Sapphie]

Also, how in the heck did they get all of that food in the house and in the fridge without his knowledge?
It's a mystery...especially as he says this in his blog:
and they came in to my house with my fridge as empty as can be
Apparently they saw fit to remove the fridge at some point, (without his noticing the void in his kitchen) and then come back with it. Very odd behaviour.

[11th Reader]

I think what we should do is bring up some paint, paint the cheeks on our asses, then sit all pretty in a row on Tubby's bench. Rainbow colors, and A$$ ... perfect Christmas "memorial" gift for the Tubster.

DreamerGal, this is the greatest idea EVER. :naughty:

[boris85]

DreamerGal, this is the greatest idea EVER. :naughty:

Count me in! I'll rub butter all over my loins to get the right lighting for the camera.:rolleyes:

[Elton]

My significant other toasts Sinatra every year on Sinatra's BD, too. That's not that weird -- he was (is) an icon.

But what Tubby should have said is the story about the autograph was from years ago. The way the dumbhead wrote it he made it sound like he had just made the call to get the autograph, which is funny since (as SDGirl pointed out) Sinatra's been dead since May '98.

A shout out to Mr. Big Deal: Sinatra's family whored him out so much (both living and dead) that an autograph from him is worth about 2 cents. So your amazing gift is not so amazing. REGULAR people actually have them too. Sorry to burst your bubble, Mr. Big Deal.

[Sapphie]

boris85:Oh, I'll sit on it alright, with my unwiped, naked butt.
I'll rub butter all over my loins to get the right lighting for the camera.

um...buttered loins and unwiped naked butt....who's sitting next to Boris on the bench?

[Sapphie]

boris85:I keep imagining Tummy as one of those twisted adults who wear diapers

Funny you should say that boris...I found this picture of his personalized diaper....


http://jeffandjer.star941sandiego.com/timages/page/big_panties.jpg

[SDGirl87]

Count me in! I'll rub butter all over my loins to get the right lighting for the camera.:rolleyes:


I'm strangely aroused.... :| :gle:

We must be careful fellow DCers. Now that we've published the rainbow connection idea here, if it SHOULD happen, the first place they'll look is at us!

[insightbyjake]

.... BUT I will have some FUN MEMORIES over the next 19-20 days. 19-20 days of eating anything? MERRY CHRISTMAS BABY!(and to you too honey...you've really summed up what the true meaning of Christmas is all about)[/I]

Dante once wrote of Luxuria, Gula, Avaritia, Acedia, Ira, Invidia, and Superbia.

Six of these seven describe FH. (Heck, 4 or 5 describe LBM as well).

He is extravagant -- to a point of lust -- what woman is safe from his desires? What gift is too good for his children?

He is a man of limited control over his appetites. Food is a cruel mistress in this man's life.

He has a need to "own" attention. "I'm Tommy Sablan -- I know everyone!"

He is, by nature, quite lazy. (And when we say "by nature" we mean according to his girth.)

He apparently gets easily upset when criticized (see: "slight history of dometic violence.")

And, interestingly, does not appear to be envious of others because he has far too much pride.

Congratulations! Let's erect a memorial bench for 94.1's 2007 Winner of the "Person-Who-Best-Exemplifies-The-Seven-Deadly-Sins!!!!"

(Runner up? Laura Cain!!!)

Award is given under the pretense that these traits are "alleged" and may be construed to be positive traits of people who think of themselves as "kind-of-a-big-deal."
The traits are translated as:

1. Extravagance, (later changed to lust)
2. Gluttony
3. Greed
4. Sloth
5. Wrath
6. Envy
7. Pride

[shello]

It's a few mins after 7pm and KUSI is airing what looks to be a great show on the destructiveness of meth. WOW....it looks good so far. Is that what Laura's drug of choice was? Did she snort or smoke it? I am not too up on drugs.

[LisaP]

Someone should TP it! See how he likes it.

I think I may be the closest, but CM is so busy, I don't think I could do it without getting caught/


We must be careful fellow DCers. Now that we've published the rainbow connection idea here, if it SHOULD happen, the first place they'll look is at us!

I would however be willing to say, go slap a rainbow sticker, hang a rainbow ribbon, etc. on it. Quick in, quick out.


Anyone know which local radio station is playing 24/7 Christmas music? I know 96.5 is playing Christmas music often, but is there a station with non-stop holiday tunes?
Thanks!

I have listened to www.accuradio.com for Xmas music. Another online source is www.slacker.com. Not as much Xmas music as Accuradio, but I love the site.

Let me add that it is killing me to be AWOL here. Work is kicking my butt these days - and that is ontop of "the holidays". I am having a hard time keeping up with this board. I am really jealous of all of you that can.

*rushes off to take holiday treats out of the oven to make room for more holiday treats to go in oven*

[insightbyjake]

It's a few mins after 7pm and KUSI is airing what looks to be a great show on the destructiveness of meth. WOW....it looks good so far. Is that what Laura's drug of choice was? Did she snort or smoke it? I am not too up on drugs.

Snorting.

It seems harmless at first. It gives energy and expands productivity. (See truck-drivers and graveyard workers).

Later, you become annoyed, have a bit of anger or rage, and develop new "lows" to match the highs.

With sustained use, a meth user can develop a tolerance to it. The user may take increasingly higher doses of meth trying to catch that high she first experienced. She may take it more frequently or may go on binges. She may change the way she takes meth.

Soon, she will smoke it. It gets into the system quite quickly this way.

What is meth? The most common ingredient in meth is pseudoephedrine or ephedrine. Through cooking the ingredients chemically chang into meth. The ingredients that are used in the process of making meth can include: ether, paint thinner, Freon, acetone, anhydrous ammonia, iodine crystals, red phosphorus, drain cleaner, battery acid, and lithium (taken from inside batteries).

Imagine, willingly taking these products and injecting them into your body.

Only an addict would not "care." I've never done meth. But, I "know" meth. Life is never the same for the user and his/her connections.

What's funny is, many meth users also drink -- their live's are addicted to riding a roller coaster. The highs and lows both bring a sensation.

Laura had a family and it brought her pleasure. Laura drank and did drugs and it brought her pleasure. What's wrong with conflicting "pleasure?"

Kids and spouses don't understand the "second" pleasure of an addict.

[Sapphie]

I'm strangely aroused.... :| :gle:
It's settled then...SDGirl sits next to boris on the bench :)

insightbyjake: 1. Extravagance, (later changed to lust)
2. Gluttony
3. Greed
4. Sloth
5. Wrath
6. Envy
7. Pride
I couldn't help but notice that, if you re-arrange the first letters of the Seven Deadlies, they'll spell EGGSPEW....seems topical.

Jake: Kids and spouses don't understand the "second" pleasure of an addict.
I agree with everything you said in this post...I've never done meth either and I also "know" it....it's my experience that the drugs are the first pleasure, over and above anything and anyone else.....families are lucky if they even come close to second.

[GirlfromOR]

And definitely, when I talk to my love, I have to look into his eyes, because I love him, and I love looking at him.

This Tubby-Two-Ton and Moochie ... it's a very odd relationship, very bad acting, or both.

Maybe part of their arrangement is that he is not allowed to look at her. I wouldn't want him leering at me, and I wouldn't want to have to look at him. It is probably written somewhere in their contract.

[Carol]

Maybe part of their arrangement is that he is not allowed to look at her.

We know that isnt true! Please see the picture of him staring at Mooche like she is his next dinner.

Think: in cartoons when they see a live chicken, but then they have a lil thought bubble with a roast turkey sitting on a dinner table.

[BecInCA]

Hey guys,

Okay, I'm watching Tummy Tube right now (against my better judgement) and all I can say is: people, we can take these FH minions on, no doubt about it. It would be an honorable war, and I know it is one that we can absolutely win. Are ya wit me, or agin me? I feel like John Belushi in Animal House when he said "was it over when the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor- NO, and it ain't over now. Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

[Sapphie]

Hey guys,

Okay, I wathching Tummy Tube right now (against my better judgement) and all I can say is: people, we can take these FH minions on, no doubt about it. It would be an honorable war, and I know it is one that can absolutely win. Are ya wit me, or agin me? I feel like John Belushi in Animal House when he said "was it over when the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor- NO, and it ain't over now. Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
Sheesh Bec!...talk about feisty...although...now I'm thinking about it, I have this image of Jake and Boris dressed up like the dudes in Braveheart, woad, rallying cries....on the other hand...I don't fancy taking on any of those soccer moms or the large spokesman guy

[BecInCA]

Sheesh Bec!...talk about feisty...although...now I'm thinking about it, I have this image of Jake and Boris dressed up like the dudes in Braveheart, woad, rallying cries....on the other hand...I don't fancy taking on any of those soccer moms or the large spokesman guy

Yeah Sapphie, you're probably right. It just seemed like a good idea at the time. Thanks for bringing me back to reality. I probably shouldn't be going head to head with those soccer moms or the FH wannabe spokesman guy. Back to my corner I go...

[Wabbitsd]

Hey, soccer moms are nothing. I'm a SOFTBALL MOM. we can run right over their running outfitted little carcasses. Batter UP!!!

[SDGirl87]

Good morning!! It's Friday Eve...lots of anticipation is in the air for the weekend, and I'm feeling feisty (though not annoyed so perhaps Tubsy and Lubsy will be spared the worst of me today!).

I was thinking about our Rainbow Connection Butt Brigade last night and for some reason, it struck me as incredibly funny. I was laughing so hard that tears were running down my face. Anyway, thanks for the laugh!! The visual is probably more than any of us want to imagine, but it sure was a funny moment!

To the business at hand: our word for the day today is....

BUTT (or variations thereof...keister, rear, behind etc)

please TRY to keep it respectable. It just seemed so...appropriate.

[Transplant]

Laura's Dairy Dec. 12

Wednesday, December 12, 2007 at 11:29am

Dear Diary,

Ok, so here was my day yesterday:

12-1pm…prepare for Mediation
1:30pm-5:45pm…Mediation. BRUTAL
I am at a loss for any further words because at this very moment, I have no idea what my future holds. There might be some serious changes, changes that I never imagined before yesterday.

I also realized that I will be broke for the next few years. That's not a fun thought. Merry Christmas. Sorry if I got all negative. I do get to see my babies today, so there's the glass-half-full thought to end this entry.

See you tomorrow, Diary.

First of all, she's full of crap that she had a 4 hour appt at Family Court Services for custody mediation. Been there, done that back in March! They only allot you 2 hours and if it goes over that, they end up deciding/making the recommendations to the court and then you go before the judge assigned to your case.

It sounds like she's going to get her butt kicked by DaveCain in mediation and slam her seven ways to sunday...and he should!

[Trixie]

A few of my favorite things:

Hot BUTTered Rum
Peanut BUTTer sandwiches
Movie Theater Popcorn with BUTTer
Baked Potatoes with BUTTer
BUTTerscotch Pudding

(See, there are a few things that you can make a good BUTT from)

[Carol]

First of all, she's full of crap that she had a 4 hour appt at Family Court Services for custody mediation. Been there, done that back in March! They only allot you 2 hours and if it goes over that, they end up deciding/making the recommendations to the court and then you go before the judge assigned to your case.

It sounds like she's going to get her butt kicked by DaveCain in mediation and slam her seven ways to sunday...and he should!


Did she ever say that it was a mediation at FCS? Perhaps it was a regular mediation appt. to keep the divorce and everything that goes with it out of the courts. Now, I know for a *FACT* that those can go on for upwards of 24 hours straight depending on the people/issues involved.

[SDGirl87]

Let's look at yesterday, a VERY typical day for me:

4:10 a.m. Alarm clock wakes me
4:30 a.m. Up (ugh) to shower, dress, feed dog, apply make up etc
5:05 a.m. Leave house for work in the very cold, very dark morning
5:30 a.m. Arrive at work and start my day with a nice hot cup of coffee
12:00 p.m. Stop momentarily to go potty and eat some soup at my desk as I continue to work
3:45 p.m. Hit potty again and then drive to boss' other office to complete tasks not done on Tuesday
4:30 p.m. Complete work at other office and head out to TRAFFIC
5:30 p.m. Arrive home and figure out what's for dinner, play with dog for a few minutes.
6:00 p.m. Take call from boss to change some flight arrangements
6:45 p.m. Complete flight changes for boss and email new itinerary
7:00 p.m. Start to cook dinner (yes, cook)and toss a load of laundry into the washer
7:30 p.m. Dinner done, too tired to do dishes, feed the dog, get a phone call from an old friend (smile).
8:15 p.m. End call, fall into bed and watch a few minutes of Reba. Switch laundry over to dryer on way into bedroom.
8:45 p.m. Lights out for a very tired girl. End of another day in paradise.

[RedWillow]

I listened to a bit of the show this am - only time I listen these days is while I take my son to school.

Laura had to step in and do a live Cox commercial for Jerk. After many bad puns about "no Cox for 6 months", and "loving Cox", etc....Laura made at least two remarks about "if" she moves into her house, and not being sure about whether she "would" move in to her new house.

I wonder if she realizes she's still responsible for the rent?

[Dawnski]

A few of my favorite things:

Hot BUTTered Rum
Peanut BUTTer sandwiches
Movie Theater Popcorn with BUTTer
Baked Potatoes with BUTTer
BUTTerscotch Pudding

(See, there are a few things that you can make a good BUTT from)

All this BUTT food looks like FH's midnight snack!

[11ListenerNot]

OMG, look at the outfit. She looks like a checkerboard that just walked out of the Goodwill thrift store!:dead:

[11ListenerNot]

Thursday, December 13, 2007 at 11:16am

Dear Diary,

Charlie, Ev and I went to Supercuts yesterday after I picked them up from school because Ev looked like a little raga-muffin. She was so cute in that little tarpy robe thing in the booster seat on the barber chair. The lady asked her if she wanted her to wash her hair. At first Ev said no, but then I talked her into it, telling her that it's one of the best things about going to the salon…the hair- wash-head-rub.

As the lady was washing her hair in the sink, Charlie was right there talking to her and asking her for kisses and hugs. He was getting the biggest kick out of watching her do such a big-girl thing. Then, he said the sweetest thing to me. These are his exact words….

"You know why I love Evan so much?"

"Why, Char?

"Because she's so darn soft!"

That kid loves his sister SO MUCH!

Immediately after that he grabbed her little glass ornament out of my purse to show her and promptly dropped it. It shattered into a million little pieces. Charlie put his head down and walked out the door. He was heartbroken about it. He's really hard on himself sometimes, which concerns me a little bit. We got her another ornament at The Dollar Tree (Oh yah, Momma knows how to make it rain, baby) so Char quickly got over his guilt.

Earlier in the day, on our way to pick up Evan, he said something I will never forget. Out of nowhere he said, "I'm sorry your Dad died, Momma. I wish I could go back in time and meet him."

I told him that his Grandpa Hietter would have LOVED him to pieces. He would have eaten him up. The two of them would've made each other laugh so much.

I think my dad is floating around us a whole lot lately.

On a completely different note, this is going to be the first Christmas lunch (other than when I was preggers) that I will not be consuming copious amounts of alcohol. I may even go to Bikram Yoga after the big lunch. If you would've told me that I would be sober, separated and living at Tommy's at last years lunch, I would've laughed in your face.

Craziness.

See you tomorrow, Diary.

[SDGirl87]

What if the "serious change" that she couldn't ever envision is that she and Dave are getting back together??? Then she wouldn't need to rent the place...




I listened to a bit of the show this am - only time I listen these days is while I take my son to school.

Laura had to step in and do a live Cox commercial for Jerk. After many bad puns about "no Cox for 6 months", and "loving Cox", etc....Laura made at least two remarks about "if" she moves into her house, and not being sure about whether she "would" move in to her new house.

I wonder if she realizes she's still responsible for the rent?

[des1969]

Why do I torture myself? Flipped over to the Spewgram, someone called in complaining about how Jeff and Jeratic are always eating on the air (1 of 575898 reasons I stopped listening) and of course, Jeff starts eating LOUDER and more obnoxious. Then he said and I almost drove off the road in disgust, that they "have to eat on the air, they are on the air for 4 hours, that's too long to go without food!"

No wonder he's so fat. Disgusting.

[Layla]

What if the "serious change" that she couldn't ever envision is that she and Dave are getting back together??? Then she wouldn't need to rent the place...

Nah, I think that getting beack together with DaveCain was the ONLY thing she envisioned.

[des1969]

That's supposed to be JERIATRIC. I've been calling him that since I heard Chris Cantore refer to Jer as Jeriatric. I think it's completely appropriate

[Smitty]

Thursday, December 13, 2007 at 11:16am

If you would've told me that I would be sober, separated and living at Tommy's at last years lunch, I would've laughed in your face.

Craziness.

See you tomorrow, Diary.

From this statement you'd think she would much rather be drunk, strung out, back with Dave and still living in her house near SDSU without a care in the world.

[boris85]

OMG, look at the outfit. She looks like a checkerboard that just walked out of the Goodwill thrift store!:dead:

That's the ugliest zebra I've ever seen! She should've upgraded to the bigger size. She can only managed to fasten one button and that poor baby looks likes it could pop at any minute! "You'll put your eye out!!"

[boris85]

Thursday, December 13, 2007 at 11:16am

Dear Diary,

Charlie, Ev and I went to Supercuts yesterday after I picked them up from school because Ev looked like a little raga-muffin. She was so cute in that little tarpy robe thing in the booster seat on the barber chair. The lady asked her if she wanted her to wash her hair. At first Ev said no, but then I talked her into it, telling her that it's one of the best things about going to the salon…the hair- wash-head-rub.

As the lady was washing her hair in the sink, Charlie was right there talking to her and asking her for kisses and hugs. He was getting the biggest kick out of watching her do such a big-girl thing. Then, he said the sweetest thing to me. These are his exact words….

"You know why I love Evan so much?"

"Why, Char?

"Because she's so darn soft!"

That kid loves his sister SO MUCH!

Immediately after that he grabbed her little glass ornament out of my purse to show her and promptly dropped it. It shattered into a million little pieces. Charlie put his head down and walked out the door. He was heartbroken about it. He's really hard on himself sometimes, which concerns me a little bit. We got her another ornament at The Dollar Tree (Oh yah, Momma knows how to make it rain, baby) so Char quickly got over his guilt.

Earlier in the day, on our way to pick up Evan, he said something I will never forget. Out of nowhere he said, "I'm sorry your Dad died, Momma. I wish I could go back in time and meet him."

I told him that his Grandpa Hietter would have LOVED him to pieces. He would have eaten him up. The two of them would've made each other laugh so much.

I think my dad is floating around us a whole lot lately.

On a completely different note, this is going to be the first Christmas lunch (other than when I was preggers) that I will not be consuming copious amounts of alcohol. I may even go to Bikram Yoga after the big lunch. If you would've told me that I would be sober, separated and living at Tommy's at last years lunch, I would've laughed in your face.

Craziness.

See you tomorrow, Diary.

Laura - he loves his sister so much, as you claim, because he has been forced to care for her and act as a parental figure in your absence. And I bet your dead father would've loved Charlie Chimp, they could've gone out to bars together. Laura - he is NOT floating around over you, that's a seagull. You did not drink at the XMAS lunch when your were pregnant because you didn't want anyone to see - you waited until after the lunch when you were alone! If you could not clean up to save your family and marriage - there's no way you would've cleaned up to save your fetus. Remember - a main cause of Charlie's medical condition where orgrans form outside of the bofy is alcohol and drugs!! Also, while at SuperCuts, you let Charlie go outside by himself after he dropped the ornament? Safe!!

[des1969]

From this statement you'd think she would much rather be drunk, strung out, back with Dave and still living in her house near SDSU without a care in the world.

What will be harder for her is being around everyone else, who will no doubt be drinking like fishes. I honestly think the only reason why she hasn't fallen off the wagon yet is because her rehab stint was so public. It would ruin her "image" if she were to start drinking again, especially after making it so public. I also bet that the station paid for her rehab and one of the conditions was that if she started using again, it would mean her job

[GGmami]

Why do I torture myself? Flipped over to the Spewgram, someone called in complaining about how Jeff and Jeratic are always eating on the air (1 of 575898 reasons I stopped listening) and of course, Jeff starts eating LOUDER and more obnoxious. Then he said and I almost drove off the road in disgust, that they "have to eat on the air, they are on the air for 4 hours, that's too long to go without food!"

No wonder he's so fat. Disgusting.

They must not have time for a healthy snack during all those commercial breaks,because they are so busy planning their next bit in order to make the show better.

[garybear]

From this statement you'd think she would much rather be drunk, strung out, back with Dave and still living in her house near SDSU without a care in the world.

What will be harder for her is being around everyone else, who will no doubt be drinking like fishes. I honestly think the only reason why she hasn't fallen off the wagon yet is because her rehab stint was so public. It would ruin her "image" if she were to start drinking again, especially after making it so public. I also bet that the station paid for her rehab and one of the conditions was that if she started using again, it would mean her job

Most decent policies have a mental health benefit which also includes a certain # of days for inpatient and outpatient rehab. Because this is classified under health insurance, the station can not put a condition on it that she would lose her job if she relapsed for they do not have the right to that information. If she comes to work drunk etc... or calls in "sick" excessively, then they can fire her but that would be a process not an immediate dismissal, in most cases. Sounds like they all knew about her problem the 1st time around anyway and she still had a job to come back to. Most people are not that lucky. I guess that is what being a "big deal" gets you.

[pax]

I bet LBM flakes on the rental house.

[garybear]

I bet LBM flakes on the rental house.
I am not stupid enough to take that bet...you will win!

[surfer]

Funny you should say that boris...I found this picture of his personalized diaper....


http://jeffandjer.star941sandiego.com/timages/page/big_panties.jpg


Ahh! My eyes! I'm blind!

[Sapphie]

here ya go Surfer....sorry

http://www.independentliving.com/images/nfbc.jpg

[11ListenerNot]

What will be harder for her is being around everyone else, who will no doubt be drinking like fishes. I honestly think the only reason why she hasn't fallen off the wagon yet is because her rehab stint was so public. It would ruin her "image" if she were to start drinking again, especially after making it so public. I also bet that the station paid for her rehab and one of the conditions was that if she started using again, it would mean her job
------------------------------------------------------------
I seriously think if she started drinking/using again, she would lose any contact with her kids. I'm wondering if the court has ordered random drug testing.

[DreamerGal]

Thursday, December 13, 2007 at 11:16am

Dear Diary,

Charlie, Ev and I went to Supercuts yesterday after I picked them up from school because Ev looked like a little raga-muffin. She was so cute in that little tarpy robe thing in the booster seat on the barber chair. The lady asked her if she wanted her to wash her hair. At first Ev said no, but then I talked her into it, telling her that it's one of the best things about going to the salon…the hair- wash-head-rub.

As the lady was washing her hair in the sink, Charlie was right there talking to her and asking her for kisses and hugs. He was getting the biggest kick out of watching her do such a big-girl thing. Then, he said the sweetest thing to me. These are his exact words….

"You know why I love Evan so much?"

"Why, Char?

"Because she's so darn soft!"

That kid loves his sister SO MUCH!

Immediately after that he grabbed her little glass ornament out of my purse to show her and promptly dropped it. It shattered into a million little pieces. Charlie put his head down and walked out the door. He was heartbroken about it. He's really hard on himself sometimes, which concerns me a little bit. We got her another ornament at The Dollar Tree (Oh yah, Momma knows how to make it rain, baby) so Char quickly got over his guilt.

Earlier in the day, on our way to pick up Evan, he said something I will never forget. Out of nowhere he said, "I'm sorry your Dad died, Momma. I wish I could go back in time and meet him."

I told him that his Grandpa Hietter would have LOVED him to pieces. He would have eaten him up. The two of them would've made each other laugh so much.

I think my dad is floating around us a whole lot lately.

On a completely different note, this is going to be the first Christmas lunch (other than when I was preggers) that I will not be consuming copious amounts of alcohol. I may even go to Bikram Yoga after the big lunch. If you would've told me that I would be sober, separated and living at Tommy's at last years lunch, I would've laughed in your face.

Craziness.

See you tomorrow, Diary.

LBM, Listen UP!!! Your son is so hard on himself, because you LEFT HIM for your drugs and alcohol and self-involved lifestyle. He sees himself as responsible for his little sister, because you never were and never will be. He will never trust you to take care of the one person in the world he has known since birth.

Let me get the scenario straight. He was entertaining Evan while she was getting her hair washed, and what were you doing? Checking out your horsey face in the mirror? re-applying your lipstick? Greeting your "fans?" Were you paying ANY attention at all to your children, or was Charlie the parent last night?

Once again, you've raised my ire. You selfish, self-centered, childish, stupid twit. Your son is hard on himself, because he's pretty much faced with an impossible task: Make up for the absence of a parent in his and his little sister's life. He needs to be responsible, keep an eye on his sister, be sensitive to her needs, all the while making sure you're not on the verge of a hissy fit because he's spending too much time not focusing on you.

Do your children a favor. Get a therapist and WORK on yourself. Learn how to accept responsibility for your own actions rather than blaming other people and the universe. You have so far to go. You could actually learn some tips from your son. He seems to be quite mature for a little 7-year-old, who shouldn't be worrying about making life right for his mother.

[Elton]

LBM's jacket is too tight and seems dated -- like maybe 5 years ago?

Where is Styles 4 Less (where she bought it)? Never seen it.

Great insight in her diary today. It's amazing she can write that stuff and not see the reality in it. I can't stop rubbernecking at that crash day after day after day...

[boris85]

LBM's jacket is too tight and seems dated -- like maybe 5 years ago?

Where is Styles 4 Less (where she bought it)? Never seen it.

Great insight in her diary today. It's amazing she can write that stuff and not see the reality in it. I can't stop rubbernecking at that crash day after day after day...

Here's a thought - maybe she gets $$$ to buy clothes, but either digs things out of her closet or goes to the Goodwill, and then pockets the cash! The perfect scam for a low-life junkie!!

[pax]

LBM is really a piece of work. DreamerGal - I completely concur with your assessment of Charlie. Poor kid.

[Sapphie]

From Laura's daily diarrhoea:

It shattered into a million little pieces.
Subtle reference to one of Laura's heroes, James Frey.I'm surprised he hasn't yet been her "crush of the week"...they make a nice couple.

[surfer]

here ya go Surfer....sorry

http://www.independentliving.com/images/nfbc.jpg

Thank you kind person. Will come in handy when convulsions subside. The horror...

[Sapphie]

Here's a thought - maybe she gets $$$ to buy clothes, but either digs things out of her closet or goes to the Goodwill, and then pockets the cash! The perfect scam for a low-life junkie!!
She doesn't go to Goodwill...she goes to GoodShill-4-Freebies

[cheekymonkey]

Doesn't he sound so sad??? My son's biggest worry at that age was getting taller and trying to get Legos pieced together. Telling his mother he loves his sister so much because she is so soft, is that weird or is it just me because my kids fought all the time??

Poor Charlie. I feel bad for his wife if he doesn't get some help and really really soon.

[Carol]

Once again, you've raised my ire. You selfish, self-centered, childish, stupid twit. Your son is hard on himself, because he's pretty much faced with an impossible task: Make up for the absence of a parent in his and his little sister's life. He needs to be responsible, keep an eye on his sister, be sensitive to her needs, all the while making sure you're not on the verge of a hissy fit because he's spending too much time not focusing on you.


I may not be in the majority, but I feel that this is a mighty harsh judgement based on basically nothing. True, the basis of this board is not based on fact....but really, there are two parents in this situation. For all we know the reason this lil boy is so hard on himself, is because his father is hard on him, not becuase his mother is a "twit", who you assume was touching up her makeup while her daughter was having her haircut. I am not saying this is the case, but there are lots of older sibilings who have a larger age gap that seem to feel the same way Charlie does about his little sister. They keep an eye on them, watch over them, worry about them etc. I just found your comments to be extremely judgemental over something that we have no idea about, nor do we know the validity of her statments. Perhaps she just needed something to write about and she embelished the situations.....

Tommy will pray for you :)...


I am with you that she does seem to be quite self-centered and myopic but, I do think she *tries* to be a loving, caring and fun mother, and deserves a smidge more credit.

[RecoveringLstnr]

Doesn't he sound so sad??? My son's biggest worry at that age was getting taller and trying to get Legos pieced together. Telling his mother he loves his sister so much because she is so soft, is that weird or is it just me because my kids fought all the time??

Poor Charlie. I feel bad for his wife if he doesn't get some help and really really soon.

It is not just you, it sounded weird to me too. My kids are extremely close, they bicker here and there as all siblings do, but they hug often, play together by choice, etc. I don't think my son would say he loves his little sister because she is soft. Not if asked, and certainly not out of nowhere on his own. I'm not suggesting anything is going on, although given comments in her diary, and here, about naked tickle time, letting him bathe her-or was it just watch her bathe?, naked games, communal beds, so on and so forth, there are some red flags in my mind.

[DreamerGal]

I may not be in the majority, but I feel that this is a mighty harsh judgement based on basically nothing. True, the basis of this board is not based on fact....but really, there are two parents in this situation. For all we know the reason this lil boy is so hard on himself, is because his father is hard on him, not becuase his mother is a "twit", who you assume was touching up her makeup while her daughter was having her haircut.

I am with you that she does seem to be quite self-centered and myopic but, I do think she *tries* to be a loving, caring and fun mother, and deserves a smidge more credit.

Sorry, Carol. I've known LBM-types before. I believe Charlie is able to be a little boy when he's with his dad, and he can't be with his mom. (In fact, I think that's why Dave is the "fun" one in Charlie's opinion. With Dave, Charlie can have fun. With LBM, Charlie needs to be "on" for his mom.)

His mother left him for three solid months, then for months after she returned, she was only available to see him sporadically. That tends to affect children. Sort of pulls the rug right out from underneath them. Security is gone. Forever. He will never be the same.

And, if LBM was "trying," as you say, there would be some movement ... SOME movement toward maturity and loving the children for who they are, not what they can do for her. Remember just last Sunday when she was seen stomping out of the Sports Arena like an angry child, not even holding Charlie's hand, because he got bored? No motherly understanding there ... no, the kid wrecked her night and she was pissed.

I'd love nothing more for her to turn her life around. Those kids deserve that. I judge harshly because she puts it out every time she writes and/or speaks. She's all about herself. The kids fit in nicely once in a while, Dave doesn't know the meaning of the word committment, and nobody knows the trouble she's seen ... Glory Halleluiah!!!

[RecoveringLstnr]

Sorry, Carol. I've known LBM-types before. I believe Charlie is able to be a little boy when he's with his dad, and he can't be with his mom. His mother left him for three solid months, then for months after she returned, she was only available to see him sporadically. That tends to affect children. Sort of pulls the rug right out from underneath them. Security is gone. Forever. He will never be the same.

And, if LBM was "trying," as you say, there would be some movement ... SOME movement toward maturity and loving the children for who they are, not what they can do for her. Remember just last Sunday when she was seen stomping out of the Sports Arena like an angry child, not even holding Charlie's hand, because he got bored? No motherly understanding there ... no, the kid wrecked her night and she was pissed.

I'd love nothing more for her to turn her life around. Those kids deserve that. I judge harshly because she puts it out every time she writes and/or speaks. She's all about herself. The kids fit in nicely once in a while, Dave doesn't know the meaning of the word committment, and nobody knows the trouble she's seen ... Glory Halleluiah!!!

I must say, I agree with you DreamerGal. Seeing Laura stomp out, the look on her face, her whole demeanor, was shocking. She clomped right up those stairs leaving Charlie 2 or 3 stair-steps behind her. Good parents do not behave this way towards their children. Especially not in a public environment with a mass crowd. Eyes and a firm grasp on your child AT ALL TIMES, NO EXCEPTIONS!!!!

[Carol]

I must say, I agree with you DreamerGal. Seeing Laura stomp out, the look on her face, her whole demeanor, was shocking. She clomped right up those stairs leaving Charlie 2 or 3 stair-steps behind her. Good parents do not behave this way towards their children. Especially not in a public environment with a mass crowd. Eyes and a firm grasp on your child AT ALL TIMES, NO EXCEPTIONS!!!!

I have to agree with that!!!!


The point I was trying to make was that we don't know all the circumstances and what she writes may not actually be how things are. I just personally felt it was a little unfair to call someone we really dont know names such as a twit with out facts.

I was not trying to say that her actions do not/will not have any effect her children, because I think we all know that no matter how much she tries to make up for her abscene with gifts, hotel stays and snuggles. The children will be effected by her lack of responsibility.

[Elton]

but really, there are two parents in this situation. For all we know the reason this lil boy is so hard on himself, is because his father is hard on him

Good point. We've all sort of promoted Dave to sainthood on here but I do wonder why, if he is a child-centered parent (we know LBM isn't) that he goes along with the drop-offs in store parking lots. I'm guessing they do it for convenience to meet halfway but why wouldn't Dave at least realize that is an uncomfortable way to handle it for the kids, with all the noise, traffic and hubbub? Why can't they be handed off at their homes, even outside if necessary?

And God only knows what Dave has said about LBM in anger to poor Charlie. And what he saw that night the authorities came to take her away. We tend to think of that kind of stuff as happening to "other" people but here it is in a family that should have known and done better considering their resources.

[DreamerGal]

I have to agree with that!!!!


The point I was trying to make was that we don't know all the circumstances and what she writes may not actually be how things are. I just personally felt it was a little unfair to call someone we really dont know names such as a twit with out facts.

I was not trying to say that her actions do not/will not have any effect her children, because I think we all know that no matter how much she tries to make up for her abscene with gifts, hotel stays and snuggles. The children will be effected by her lack of responsibility.

I love that you're compassionate and willing to extend the benefit of the doubt, Carol. I'm just rather feisty lately, sick and tired of LBM's constant focus on herself, and, frankly, needed to vent.

If she were my friend, I probably would have been a bit more delicate. Unfortunately (for LBM), we're not friends, and the DC is the perfect place for me to spew my opinions, frustrations, etc.

Seriously, though? I think she views herself as a victim in this whole tragedy surrounding her drug use and forfeit of her family, and THAT makes me angry. The only victims I see are the children, and it breaks my heart what she writes about Charlie and how she seems to be so oblivious to what part she has in his issues, or his focus on taking care of his little sister, or him being extra hard on himself. On behalf of those kids, I get my neck feathers all up in a ruffle.

[boris85]

I may not be in the majority, but I feel that this is a mighty harsh judgement based on basically nothing. True, the basis of this board is not based on fact....but really, there are two parents in this situation. For all we know the reason this lil boy is so hard on himself, is because his father is hard on him, not becuase his mother is a "twit", who you assume was touching up her makeup while her daughter was having her haircut. I am not saying this is the case, but there are lots of older sibilings who have a larger age gap that seem to feel the same way Charlie does about his little sister. They keep an eye on them, watch over them, worry about them etc. I just found your comments to be extremely judgemental over something that we have no idea about, nor do we know the validity of her statments. Perhaps she just needed something to write about and she embelished the situations.....

Tommy will pray for you :)...


I am with you that she does seem to be quite self-centered and myopic but, I do think she *tries* to be a loving, caring and fun mother, and deserves a smidge more credit.

Our assessments of Laura Loser may be harsh, but they are not unfair or unfounded. She has demonstrated her stupidity and lack of judgement time and time again. In terms of Charlie - he is on the verge of catching the crazy train. He reminds me of that guy on Mice and Men - what was his name? Lennie? He used to like to pet rabbits and small animals because of their soft fur, so much that he would end up crushing them...

[pax]

Creepy visual, Boris, but I hear what you are saying. Does anyone know if kids are required to go to counseling in these drug-induced divorce situations? If it's good counseling, I hope so. But ****ty counseling is worse than none.

[boris85]

Hey look! A picture of Tummy (from and center) with Laura behond him in that pointy hat!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6a/Pufnstuf.jpg

[Wabbitsd]

I started about three answers to Carol...but...everyone has presented some good insights...and I also appreciate that Carol wants to give the benefit of the doubt...

I'll give my perspective... the situations LBM puts out there are not all that unique---any kid who has been through split parents has been through most of these combinations.

I'm a little less on the fan bandwagon about Dave Cain as some others have been. Frankly, I don't have an ounce of pity for either LBM or Dave. They are adults. they both need to suck it up, and acknowledge that they made all the choices that got them where they are. Certainly those two kids didn't. Maybe I'm hard on Dave, but there were signs, he can't deny that, and he, if anyone else could, knew who LBM was, and what she was about.

Those kids deserve for the two of them to put their pettiness behind them and treat them well. Both of these kids will probably need counseling to get over these issues they have collected. Isn't it AlAnon that is pretty much for families of addicted persons? These people have serious scars, and these two kids are swimming solo in this ocean right now, unless Dave can get them into counseling or some kind of treatment for the pain they will be going through.

I think Charlie said what he said because he knew it would be something LBM wanted to hear. He knows her patterns, and he knows what will work to get that forgiveness and comfort he needed. It's almost a fill in sentence..."I love you, Mama because....(fill in with some words here." Because doggone it, LBM has probably told that kid a million times she loves him, yet he so does not believe her...you can see it in the little snippets she so proudly presents.

I don't know what kind of homelife DaveCain is giving these kids, but a repeatable, predicatable schedule with some consistent discipline (not hitting, but reward/consequences for actions) is probably the most loving and supportive thing he can do. Laura is all "Fly by the seat of her pants," living in the moment, reacting to what comes into her view, not at all a person who looks ahead and plans for the future.

Everyone who has posted before me (and probably while I have taken so long to post this) has given great answers and views...I hope LBM does read here, and I can only hope she sits her own beehinder down and makes a promise to get herself and her kids into counseling...and she could probably benefit from some good parenting classes. When these kids get into their pre-teen years, they are going to have demons aplenty to deal with.

[garybear]

[QUOTE=Wabbitsd] Isn't it AlAnon that is pretty much for families of addicted persons? These people have serious scars, and these two kids are swimming solo in this ocean right now, unless Dave can get them into counseling or some kind of treatment for the pain they will be going through.QUOTE]

Al-Anon and Alateen are for anyone affected by someone that drinks- be it their mother, brother, friend, spouse etc... Their kids are too young for either program but that does not mean there is not one-one counseling that would be appropriate.

[Wabbitsd]

Thanks, garybear. I suspected as much. I would say DC should probably be getting counseling (if he isn't already) to help him understand and cope with what they will be going through later in life.

[garybear]

I agree Wabbitsd. Al-Anon is a perfect place to start because he needs to understand his own feelings and her behavior before he can help the kids. This may not be a popular opinion but the kids also need to be aware of their own ways of dealing with issues so that they do not fall into the same hole mom did. Some people believe (including me) that there is a genetic component to substance abuse issues so those kids are at risk as well.

[boris85]

Thanks, garybear. I suspected as much. I would say DC should probably be getting counseling (if he isn't already) to help him understand and cope with what they will be going through later in life.

Either that or electric shock treatments...

[Wabbitsd]

LOL, Boris...

and garybear, even if there is a weak genetic link, response patterns are learned early in life.

[SDGirl87]

LOL, Boris...

and garybear, even if there is a weak genetic link, response patterns are learned early in life.

Response patterns AND coping skills. These children are not being taught good coping skills. Their examples have been "flight" responses. That's not the way to deal with life. No matter how far one runs, no matter how drunk one gets, no matter how much goes up one's nose or into one's arm...the problems follow.

I think it's been mentioned that Charlie is in counseling, and that's a good thing. Thankfully Evie is little enough that this will be nothing but a blurred memory. Her meaningful memories will be that Mommy and Daddy always had different houses and Mommy didn't drink. She won't remember a time when they lived in one house and Mommy wasn't able to hold up her head or complete a sentence.

[sandiegomom]

My theory is that in mediation, she found out how much child support and spousal support she will have to pay. (There's a formula, so it shouldn't have been a surprise, but it is based on percentage of visitation, so maybe she assumed she'd have custody?) So now she's realizing that she can't afford the rental house after all. I hope she's been paying the house payment, otherwise there is NO reason she would only have $209 since she doesn't have to pay rent!!!

[RecoveringLstnr]

I started about three answers to Carol...but...everyone has presented some good insights...and I also appreciate that Carol wants to give the benefit of the doubt...

I'll give my perspective... the situations LBM puts out there are not all that unique---any kid who has been through split parents has been through most of these combinations.

I'm a little less on the fan bandwagon about Dave Cain as some others have been. Frankly, I don't have an ounce of pity for either LBM or Dave. They are adults. they both need to suck it up, and acknowledge that they made all the choices that got them where they are. Certainly those two kids didn't. Maybe I'm hard on Dave, but there were signs, he can't deny that, and he, if anyone else could, knew who LBM was, and what she was about.

Those kids deserve for the two of them to put their pettiness behind them and treat them well. Both of these kids will probably need counseling to get over these issues they have collected. Isn't it AlAnon that is pretty much for families of addicted persons? These people have serious scars, and these two kids are swimming solo in this ocean right now, unless Dave can get them into counseling or some kind of treatment for the pain they will be going through.

I think Charlie said what he said because he knew it would be something LBM wanted to hear. He knows her patterns, and he knows what will work to get that forgiveness and comfort he needed. It's almost a fill in sentence..."I love you, Mama because....(fill in with some words here." Because doggone it, LBM has probably told that kid a million times she loves him, yet he so does not believe her...you can see it in the little snippets she so proudly presents.

I don't know what kind of homelife DaveCain is giving these kids, but a repeatable, predicatable schedule with some consistent discipline (not hitting, but reward/consequences for actions) is probably the most loving and supportive thing he can do. Laura is all "Fly by the seat of her pants," living in the moment, reacting to what comes into her view, not at all a person who looks ahead and plans for the future.

Everyone who has posted before me (and probably while I have taken so long to post this) has given great answers and views...I hope LBM does read here, and I can only hope she sits her own beehinder down and makes a promise to get herself and her kids into counseling...and she could probably benefit from some good parenting classes. When these kids get into their pre-teen years, they are going to have demons aplenty to deal with.

Obviously the blame game is going on between them but the simplest fact of the matter is that they're both to blame. More one over the other? Of course. I'm not against Dave, I think he is indeed the better parent but my gripe about him since the truth - and I use that term lightly - was revealed by Laura is this; Dave had to have known something was going on. I doubt he's an idiot, but maybe he really was oblivious to the drug use and was only aware she drank too much and too often. The first step in his admitting she had a problem IMO was his career change. No matter what issues Laura had and still has, he HAD TO HAVE KNOWN his children weren't properly cared for. If I was in this situation with my hubby and our kids, I would have immediately removed myself and the kids from his life screaming SHAPE UP OR SHIP OUT. Of course I'd have helped him take the steps towards recovery, but to live blindly like Dave did is unacceptable. Who did he think was benefitting? I love my husband - I don't doubt Dave loved Laura - and while I have certain responsibilities TO him, I am not responsible FOR him. I AM however responsible FOR our kids, and their welfare is #1. When Laura decided to be selfish and disregard her responsibilities, Dave should have stepped up immediately. Hindsight, eh?

[shello]

I think Dave knew a lot of what was going on but overlooked it/denied it/enabled it. Thank god things are where they are now....for the kids sakes. And that family is better off now (though split apart) than one year ago. The kids are still young (esp. Evan) but who knows what Charlie witnessed. What happened to Rita, the sitter/nanny...does anyone know? I really do hope and want Laura to stay sober but I also wish she would grow up and start acting responsible and like a role model...that is a tall order, I know.
Eventually Dave will find another woman and let's hope he chooses well.

On a side note, deos anyone watch The Office? That show is more than hilarious.

[insightbyjake]

I think Dave knew a lot of what was going on but overlooked it/denied it/enabled it. Thank god things are where they are now....for the kids sakes. And that family is better off now (though split apart) than one year ago. The kids are still young (esp. Evan) but who knows what Charlie witnessed. What happened to Rita, the sitter/nanny...does anyone know? I really do hope and want Laura to stay sober but I also wish she would grow up and start acting responsible and like a role model...that is a tall order, I know.
Eventually Dave will find another woman and let's hope he chooses well.

On a side note, deos anyone watch The Office? That show is more than hilarious.

What deep, thoughtful comments over the past few pages.

One thing that stands out: "Did Dave know?"

Yes. Look at the scenario. Dacecain was a pilot, living his dream job. As a childless couple, this is great. See one another for 4 days, be apart for 3 days, get excited about seeing one another....this is a cool thing for newlyweds.

Add children to the mix? Stressed out mom raising kids alone for 3 days, dad returns to tell stressed-out mom where she needs to improve, dad goes away to dream job for 3 days, stressed-out mom needs some "energy"......

This is such a typical train-wreck in the making, it could be a case study.

When husband goes away, life is exciting. When "dad" goes away, life is "overwhelming." We now introduce drinking and drugs into the life of a lonely mom.

Dad, seeing the train-wreck, "quits" his dream job because Mom is losing it. Dad "resents" Mom, but feels guilty, and feel it is his "role" to stabilize the family.

Anger and resentment boil over when Dad sees Mom fail to change after he has sacrificed his dream career. Mom goes to rehab, by force -- not by choice. Dad is now furious and says, "F**k it!" This marriage costs me too much. Mom gets better --Dad says, "See ya!"

Lester and Carolyn Burnham, meet Dave and Laura Cain.

The American Dream becomes American Beauty.

[RanchoPen]

I was just wondering if anyone else tuned in this morning (I know, I know...) when XXXL was supposedly "depressed" about something. They (J&J) tried to pry it out of him, but in the timeframe that I listened, nothing was said of why XXXL was so blue this morning. LBM insinuated that it may have been something to do with Mooch. By that time, I was at my destination and turned them off (I have to admit that, yes, listening to them is indeed quite like watching a train wreck...I can't seem to help myself...). Was it all a ruse? Nothing new on his inanely boring, extremely stupid (did he even graduate from high school...and he makes a ton of money, right?), waste of time of all times blob and nothing said here. Was just wondering... Thanks.

[shello]

I was just wondering if anyone else tuned in this morning (I know, I know...) when XXXL was supposedly "depressed" about something. They (J&J) tried to pry it out of him, but in the timeframe that I listened, nothing was said of why XXXL was so blue this morning. LBM insinuated that it may have been something to do with Mooch. By that time, I was at my destination and turned them off (I have to admit that, yes, listening to them is indeed quite like watching a train wreck...I can't seem to help myself...). Was it all a ruse? Nothing new on his inanely boring, extremely stupid (did he even graduate from high school...and he makes a ton of money, right?), waste of time of all times blob and nothing said here. Was just wondering... Thanks.

GLad you mentioned this. He has not had a blahg since yesterday/Wed. afternoon. I was wondering if it was something with Moochelle. Yikes!!!

[LisaP]

I have to admit I switched to 94.1 briefly this morning [didn't like the song on 93.3]. I heard a little about FH and something that might be up with Mooch. What made me switch back to a song I didn't care for, was their stale, old, lame blabber. The topic [from what I gathered]? The saying/comment "snap" or "oh snap". They were going on about it like they just discovered it, it was brand new, it was "the" thing. All I could think was, I hope this was a re-broadcast of about a two year old show. I am sure it was not, and I didn't waste anymore time listening to find out.

[Newer Reader]

I was just wondering if anyone else tuned in this morning (I know, I know...) when XXXL was supposedly "depressed" about something. They (J&J) tried to pry it out of him, but in the timeframe that I listened, nothing was said of why XXXL was so blue this morning. LBM insinuated that it may have been something to do with Mooch. By that time, I was at my destination and turned them off (I have to admit that, yes, listening to them is indeed quite like watching a train wreck...I can't seem to help myself...). Was it all a ruse? Nothing new on his inanely boring, extremely stupid (did he even graduate from high school...and he makes a ton of money, right?), waste of time of all times blob and nothing said here. Was just wondering... Thanks.

Well, I might have a little clue. I had to drive to Orange County for work today so I was on the road earlier than usual and I listened a little longer than usual (maybe 10 minutes, instead of the usual 0-5); I think I was listening at around 6:45. I heard FH say that he was upset because "my fiance won't answer my calls". His words and the way he said them struck me as odd--I remember thinking that he was talking like an abuser/stalker. Most normal people would say "I can't get ahold of her", or "there's no answer". Someone (Laura maybe) asked if they'd had a fight and I don't think he answered. I turned the radio off a few minutes later because once again Jer was droning on about something (don't remember what) that should have been explained in a few seconds.

So much drama; that's why I'm hooked too. I just wish the kids in our drama were actors and not real.

NR #26

[Daisy CA]

Again, good insight by Jake!

One thing I want to add to both Jake's and the others' comments regarding Cain vs. Cain is LBM's alleged infidelities. Based on what I've read here there were at least three different incidents. That has got to be an almost impossible thing to forgive, so I'm guessing that is a major factor in the divorce.

[GirlfromOR]

[QUOTE=Elton]Good point. We've all sort of promoted Dave to sainthood on here but I do wonder why, if he is a child-centered parent (we know LBM isn't) that he goes along with the drop-offs in store parking lots. I'm guessing they do it for convenience to meet halfway but why wouldn't Dave at least realize that is an uncomfortable way to handle it for the kids, with all the noise, traffic and hubbub? Why can't they be handed off at their homes, even outside if necessary?
QUOTE]

This could be court ordered... Maybe Dave doesn't want her in the house after she admitted that she rummaged through things in the garage. Maybe the hand off MUST be in public because otherwise things get out of hand. My friend had to hand off in public because that is what the judge ordered. He may not be "going along with it" voluntarily. Or, maybe it is the easiest way for it to be done. We don't know. LBM strikes me as the type to break down, cry, weep, refuse to leave when she goes to drop off the kids. Maybe it is better this way.

[Wabbitsd]

I think the idea that they are doing it for their own convenience is disgusting, personally. What, they can't afford the half gallon of gas to get from College area to Rancho Pen? disgusting. What...let's give that to be a total of maybe what, $5.00, counting not only gas but wear and tear on the tires? The kids aren't worth that? These pook children are not worth the time and gas expenditure to deliver them door to door? And that doesn't really appear to be "halfway..." if you consider LBM works right up the street from that WalMart. accchk.

I like the jakereference to the American Beauty Couple...that was such an extraordinary example of a whole lot of people just existing in proximity to each other. But related by blood and marriage, coincidentally.

[GirlfromOR]

December 14, 2007 5am: Final payday before Christmas! It was our annual morning show Christmas lunch yesterday at Claim Jumper in La un Mesa. It was fun and probably THE BEST lunch ever. I got my usual guitar from Jeff and Jer. They got me a Carlos Santana IBANEZ guitar. Pretty darn cool. Then I met up with Michelle and went to her Christmas get together at that Mexican place at Montgomery Field. Her co workers are really nice and they all seem like family.

You know what the coolest thing was from yesterday was when Michelle and I took off to her party and she told me to make a detour and then she took me to what could possibly be the house we get next year if all goes well and the kids are cool, which I believe they already are. Vanessa already has dibs on this unattached room to the house for her room. BUT, we get to the house and jump the fence and go in the back and Michelle says some stuff that was so memorable and special that we just sat there and hugged and talked and took in the moment of being together at this place that could be our home. It was such a moment that we almost stayed the rest of the day instead of going to her party. :)

It's less than a week for Breaking and Entering and we got a lot to do, so I better get going. I will talk more later.

He doesn't sound like he was depressed and that Michelle wasn't returning his calls. He's either lying, or so crazy that he flips out if she doesn't answer in a timely fashion.

[RowdyOne]

Vanessa already has dibs on this unattached room to the house for her room.

OMG, he's going to allow his 13-year old daughter a room separate from the house, with it's own entrance? How unsafe is that? And how stupid of him to not look ahead to when she's dating... would any sane parent allow their teen a separate house with all the comings and goings of other teens?:stupid:

[pax]

The Office

LOVE that show.

[SDGirl87]

Vanessa already has dibs on this unattached room to the house for her room.

OMG, he's going to allow his 13-year old daughter a room separate from the house, with it's own entrance? How unsafe is that? And how stupid of him to not look ahead to when she's dating... would any sane parent allow their teen a separate house with all the comings and goings of other teens?:stupid:


That was EXACTLY my same thought. What parent on earth would EVER think it's ok to put a 13 year old girl (who's quite lovely) into an unattached room????? I don't know what area of town they are looking at, but in my mind, no 13 year old child should be in a room without adults in the next room. Forget the whole teenage shenanigans issue...I'm concerned for safety. A 13 year old doesn't have the wherewithall to think to keep windows secured and lock the doors behind her every time. What is she supposed to do at night if someone knocks on the window or worse? Have they NEVER heard of Polly Klaas etc?

As for LBM and DC passing the kids off in public, as someone else mentioned, it very well may be court ordered. I knew someone in AL who not only had to have a neutral pass off location, they had to have a neutral 3rd party present to take the kids from one parent to the other. There is probably a lot more here than we will ever know, or should know. It IS private, afterall. I don't care how public a persona she is, this is very personal and private and should remain that way.

[boris85]

Vanessa already has dibs on this unattached room to the house for her room.

OMG, he's going to allow his 13-year old daughter a room separate from the house, with it's own entrance? How unsafe is that? And how stupid of him to not look ahead to when she's dating... would any sane parent allow their teen a separate house with all the comings and goings of other teens?:stupid:

He always comments on how she's growing up too fast - just what a 13 year old needs - her own place! Unsupervised, and free to come and go as she pleases...

[boris85]

Hey - either Laura is living in Detroit with Charlie Chimp, Evan Not So Mighty, and Chips Ahoy - the Boy with Two Daddies - or she has a twin.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/14850031/detail.html

[Carol]

That was EXACTLY my same thought. What parent on earth would EVER think it's ok to put a 13 year old girl (who's quite lovely) into an unattached room????? I don't know what area of town they are looking at, but in my mind, no 13 year old child should be in a room without adults in the next room. Forget the whole teenage shenanigans issue...I'm concerned for safety. A 13 year old doesn't have the wherewithall to think to keep windows secured and lock the doors behind her every time. What is she supposed to do at night if someone knocks on the window or worse? Have they NEVER heard of Polly Klaas etc?

As for LBM and DC passing the kids off in public, as someone else mentioned, it very well may be court ordered. I knew someone in AL who not only had to have a neutral pass off location, they had to have a neutral 3rd party present to take the kids from one parent to the other. There is probably a lot more here than we will ever know, or should know. It IS private, afterall. I don't care how public a persona she is, this is very personal and private and should remain that way.

Not to mention the fact that it takes us what 30 seconds to find exactly where their houses are? So that coupled with the fact he gives a daily outline of when the kids are alone. Seems like the most retarded move EVER.

[boris85]

Not to mention the fact that it takes us what 30 seconds to find exactly where their houses are? So that coupled with the fact he gives a daily outline of when the kids are alone. Seems like the most retarded move EVER.

Laura is probably excited - she probably thinks she'll get the detached room...

[des1969]

One thing I wanted to add about Dave knowing how bad LBM's addiction was...he probably knew she drank a little too much but might not have known to what extent. Addicts are very good at hiding their stash, because they have to be. They become very adapt at being sneaky. And because she was off everyday at 10:00, I'm sure she had plenty of time to imbibe and recover before he got home. She admitted in that interview she gave a while back that she would start booze shopping the minute the show was over

Just my 2

[Stact]

Not to mention the fact that it takes us what 30 seconds to find exactly where their houses are? So that coupled with the fact he gives a daily outline of when the kids are alone. Seems like the most retarded move EVER.

It wouldn't surprise me if he put his daughter in her own detached room and supplied the address and where he was going,not to mention what time of day she would be left alone so that a predator could get her. :stupid:

Hi FH, guess who I am, with the name Stact, right FH.

I am ashamed that I once called him a friend. With the way that he exploits his children and his relationships, including those that he calls friends. He has never had any real friends. He has never done anything to help anyone unless it benefits himself.

I have been lurking for sometime and read one of his blogs where he states a celebrity is coming in to talk about Autism, and if you know of anyone with Autism be supportive. FH had a friend who's son had Autism, a once close friend and he never even acknowledged it. He is such a hypocrite. It doesn't mean anything to him unless it involves him. What a jerk.

[Carol]

One thing I wanted to add about Dave knowing how bad LBM's addiction was...he probably knew she drank a little too much but might not have known to what extent. Addicts are very good at hiding their stash, because they have to be. They become very adapt at being sneaky. And because she was off everyday at 10:00, I'm sure she had plenty of time to imbibe and recover before he got home. She admitted in that interview she gave a while back that she would start booze shopping the minute the show was over

Just my 2

and enablers are very good at supporting addicts bad decisions, habits and thoughts.

I just don't think Mr. Dave Cain is saint among sinners. There are many signs other than the physical indications of drug/alchy addiciton. Missing money, failure to meet responsibilities etc. He may be a good person, and maybe chose to ignore the problem etc. but there is no way this situation just kinda happened to him.

[garybear]

One thing I wanted to add about Dave knowing how bad LBM's addiction was...he probably knew she drank a little too much but might not have known to what extent. Addicts are very good at hiding their stash, because they have to be. They become very adapt at being sneaky. And because she was off everyday at 10:00, I'm sure she had plenty of time to imbibe and recover before he got home. She admitted in that interview she gave a while back that she would start booze shopping the minute the show was over

Just my 2


Des1969- you hit the nail on the head. The only other thing that an addict is better at than lying is drinking/using.

[des1969]

Oh I'm not saying he is a saint by any means. He had to have at least had a clue something was up. He was definitely the classic enabler

[shello]

Tommy said: "You know what the coolest thing was from yesterday was when Michelle and I took off to her party and she told me to make a detour and then she took me to what could possibly be the house we get next year if all goes well and the kids are cool, which I believe they already are. Vanessa already has dibs on this unattached room to the house for her room. BUT, we get to the house and jump the fence and go in the back and Michelle says some stuff that was so memorable and special that we just sat there and hugged and talked and took in the moment of being together at this place that could be our home."

Shello says,"it's impossible that it happened like this. First, Vanessa would have (it's have Tommy, and not of) had to have been in the car with them seeing as they made a detour (as Tommy calls it) to the trespass house between parties. Secondly, as if Moochelle was wearing anything that she could have (again, not of) hopped a fence in. Oh yeah, and they are having a lovey momemt while Vanessa scouts the place for her bacholerette pad. Puhleeeasz! This never happened."

And I am glad he thinks the house would be available next year (p'haps in this market) should they want it.

[Carol]

haha, oh I didn't mean anything bad by my statments at all :)

I am just kinda over people (not anyone specific) being so fricken hard on Laura (which she 100% deserves, and brings on herself) but then promoting Dave to saint hood. Which I just have a hard time believing.

Just a personal view.

[des1969]

Carol, I think it's more of, given a choice between Dave and LBM, Dave is definitely the more stable parent. I don't think anyone here thinks Dave is a saint but given that Laura only has visitation rights to her kids, Dave is clearly the more stabilizing influence. That being said, I do have to say people that choose to make the spotlight their profession, are going to be examined under a microscope. It's the choice they make when they enter into that field. Laura has made all of her decisions and screw ups public forum. Of course people are going to come down on her for it. No one forced her into her choosen profession.

[shello]

Yes, des1969, Dave is more stable. And a saint, as many have made him to be on this board, he is not! And the part about her living in the spotlight and being examined under a microscope is right on. Both Laura and FH put it all out there (hey, they are the ones writing their everyday lives in their blahgs) and it's how they conduct themselves, their actions and ways of thinking (again we see it all in their blahgs) that are really working agst them. Neither has any idea of boundaries, safety, age appropiateness or family values when it comes to their kids.

Not being one of those mean people, Tommy....I'm (and many of us here) merely doing the play-by-play of your and Laura's lives.

[Carol]

Carol, I think it's more of, given a choice between Dave and LBM, Dave is definitely the more stable parent. I don't think anyone here thinks Dave is a saint but given that Laura only has visitation rights to her kids, Dave is clearly the more stabilizing influence. That being said, I do have to say people that choose to make the spotlight their profession, are going to be examined under a microscope. It's the choice they make when they enter into that field. Laura has made all of her decisions and screw ups public forum. Of course people are going to come down on her for it. No one forced her into her choosen profession.

Oh for sure! If given a choice I would agree that dave seems like more of a stable parent! Only because I have no idea how he parents, and I don't have to read about all the irresponsible crap he does as he tries to brush it off like he is parent of the year. which goes along with...

I also agree that if you choose to put your life out there you accept the right to have your personal life picked at by the public.

I in now way advocate for anything Laura Cain does, as it seems I have jumped on the Laura Bandwagon. Just as of late I was feeling that people have been amazingly critical. Just a silly little opinon from someone who is home sick for the day.

[SDGirl87]

Laura's Diary - December 14th, 2007
Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:55pm

Dear Diary,

Oh my gosh, check out what I got for Christmas from all the members of the Showgram:

Emily got me a super-cute, super-soft scarf, some long gloves and a black sweater. Love!

Delana got me a GTM gift certificate, a Factory 2 U gift certificate and some 7-11 hot dog gift certificates. She told me that it was a Lemon Grove Shopping Spree. How funny is that? She also told me that it was a huge ordeal getting that gift card at Factory 2 U. They don't really do that too often, I guess. Oh, Delana also got Charlie and I a set of classic horror films. We love watching those old scary movies together.

Randy got me one of those Scrabble games that Oprah loves. It's great! Char and I are going to have a blast playing with that thing.

Tommy got me a book of Sting lyrics and a L.A.M.B black wallet. It's smells so yummy and leathery. It's so cute with a silver 'L" on the front.

And Jeff and Jerry got me a 32 inch Toshiba HDTV! Woo-hoo! Gonna be a new experience for me setting up my very own TV! Love love love it! Oh, and Jerry bought me a box full of multi-colored Paper Mate Flair pens. I'm obsessed with those things.

It was a great lunch. I laughed so hard that my abs were actually sore last night. The drinks were flowing just like always, and it didn't even bother me that much. I was especially happy that I wasn't drinking when I saw Delana stumble through the restaurant to get to the bathroom. She was so looped-up. Ugh. I remember that feeling and it's so not
a good one.

Today, after I pick up my babies from school, we're going to Wal-Mart to visit Santa! Then, we're going to look at Christmas lights and then come home and snuggle up and watch movies. When I saw the kids on Wednesday, they communicated to me, by laying on top of me, that they wanted to snuggle snuggle snuggle all weekend. I'm so all about that!

See you Monday, Diary.

[Dawnski]

I think the idea that they are doing it for their own convenience is disgusting, personally. What, they can't afford the half gallon of gas to get from College area to Rancho Pen? disgusting. What...let's give that to be a total of maybe what, $5.00, counting not only gas but wear and tear on the tires? The kids aren't worth that? These pook children are not worth the time and gas expenditure to deliver them door to door? And that doesn't really appear to be "halfway..." if you consider LBM works right up the street from that WalMart. accchk.

I like the jakereference to the American Beauty Couple...that was such an extraordinary example of a whole lot of people just existing in proximity to each other. But related by blood and marriage, coincidentally.

Sometimes there are reasons. When I divorced my husband many years ago, we had tradeoffs in the parking lot of Target because I didn't want him to know where I lived. We divorced due to physical abuse, and I didn't want him showing up at my house.

[Dawnski]

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[Dawnski]

Laura's Diary - December 14th, 2007
It was a great lunch. I laughed so hard that my abs were actually sore last night. The drinks were flowing just like always, and it didn't even bother me that much. I was especially happy that I wasn't drinking when I saw Delana stumble through the restaurant to get to the bathroom. She was so looped-up. Ugh. I remember that feeling and it's so not
a good one.

Nice jab at Delana...

[OneKidOneDogMom]

Whoa, LBM - why not pop for a "good" Santa and hit up the Mall? I can only imagine what the Santa at Walmart will be like....

Sad.

[Layla]

Nice jab at Delana...
They were pretty hard on Delana this morning. Laura was laughing it up, as if she has ANY right to belitlle anyone for having too much. Delana said she only had three beers, so I really don't think she was as bad as they are making it out to be.

[RedWillow]

There are many reasons to do a child exchange at a neutral location, most of them don't reflect on a parent's lack of concern for their child's well being.

Sometimes it's better not to read into everything, unless you are there and an actual witness to what's happening, you can't really fairly judge the situation.

[blondmom]

i watched about 1/3 of the latest tommytube finally, it was embarassing to watch. why are all of these people singing outside of his door? they look foolish, i'd be so embarassed to be on film as one of his followers. why would these ladies take time out of their busy holiday schedule to sing outside of this toad's home? they look desperate.

[Elton]

I'm disgusted with LBM calling out Delana like that. After all those years of being a lush and drug addict, who is she to be making like a saint, remembering those terrible days of drinking, when she's not even a year sober yet? And why call out Delana specifically? Why not drunken Jerry, that obnoxious pig? Oh, because he got you a $2,000 TV and she only got you gift cards, maybe?

Sorry for the rant but I think she is way out of line to say/publish that comment and I hope Delana breaks her legs for it.

[Dawnski]

I'm disgusted with LBM calling out Delana like that. After all those years of being a lush and drug addict, who is she to be making like a saint, remembering those terrible days of drinking, when she's not even a year sober yet? And why call out Delana specifically? Why not drunken Jerry, that obnoxious pig? Oh, because he got you a $2,000 TV and she only got you gift cards, maybe?

Sorry for the rant but I think she is way out of line to say/publish that comment and I hope Delana breaks her legs for it.

Delana is too smart/classy to get into a pissing contest with the airhead/bimbo. She will refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent! ha ha

[Wabbitsd]

Dat Laura is one Classy Dame, ain't she?

[boris85]

Nice jab at Delana...

Laura is a hypocrite and a poor excuse for a human being. That was a low blow, cheap shot at Delana - a woman who has more radio talent in her nostril than Laura Loser will ever know. There is nothing wrong with having fun and enjoying some drinks! The difference is that Laura did it every day and let it destroy her family. The truth is, Laura was jealous because she wishes she could've been in Delana's wobbly shoes. She claims in her diary that the drinking did not "bother her that much." It shouldn't have bothered her at all. And then she goes on about the gifts she got - blah, blah, blah. Cool - horror movies to watch with a seven year old. Yes, we know, TV is your life. And then she shares the productive and enlightening weekend she has planned - laying around with her kids snuggling (i.e., doing nothing) - being a sloth and living the slug life she lives everyday. Oh great, another kumbaya orgy…. Laura – why don’t you actually do something constructive with your kids that actually teaches them something. What are you grooming them to be, drunk, lazy porn stars?

[boris85]

i watched about 1/3 of the latest tommytube finally, it was embarassing to watch. why are all of these people singing outside of his door? they look foolish, i'd be so embarassed to be on film as one of his followers. why would these ladies take time out of their busy holiday schedule to sing outside of this toad's home? they look desperate.

Embarrassing and sickening! And Totally Staged. Tummy wouldn’t even dress that nice to his mother’s funeral. Tummy is as gross and gross can be. He makes Jabba-the-Hut look like Lee Van Cleef in his prime. And I'm not talking about his years on the show we all grew to love - The Master; I'm talking his days as the steely-eyed caballero in classics such as "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly."

[ex-starlistener]

About addicts spouses'.....
I have personal experience with Laura's situation, only I was on Dave side. Yes, addicts can be sneaky and liars. They can wipe out your bank accout and deny, deny, deny...even when you have photographic proof. They are great at hiding, everything they do not want you to now about...that is they THINK they are good at it. They also think you will believe ANYTHING they say, because they know you do not want to believe they are lying to you. You always have the hope "this time" will be differnt. You also hope the life you have created is as vauluable to them as it is to you. Unfortunately, it takes a back seat to addiction.

Yes, he knew something was going on and it could only continue because he let it. We all have a part to play in the cycle of addiction. Most people do not want to accept they have a problem too, just that the addict has "the problem".

That being said, I have agreed with some of you here that Laura does not seem with the program. Each person is different but, she doesn't seem to acknowledge how serious addiction is, and the destuction it leaves in it's wake. This can definetly lead to relapse, boy and as bad as it is the first time around, it is worse the second. It is too bad she doesn't have the support of her husband, however, I totaly understand being "done" the addict and their behavior. Sometimes, you just have to move on for the good of all of you (children included)

Anyway, that's my take, not that any one asked. He most definetly has responsibility in this situation. It would not have been going on for as long as it did without his help. Someone was picking up the pieces.

[GGmami]

I too am going to look at Christmas lights with the kids tonight. I wonder if I'll see LBM. Do you think she'll actually get out of the car and walk around with them or just drive by because she's so lazy? If they do walk I can just picture the kids without jackets, freezing and running to try to keep up with her.

[boris85]

I too am going to look at Christmas lights with the kids tonight. I wonder if I'll see LBM. Do you think she'll actually get out of the car and walk around with them or just drive by because she's so lazy? If they do walk I can just picture the kids without jackets, freezing and running to try to keep up with her.

We might all see her. Let's paint a picture that will certainly become reality:

Laura Loser, Charlie Chimp, Evan No So Mighty, and Chips Ahoy - (aka firm wrist my boy and the Boy with two daddies) are in a filthy and sticky BMW SUV. They are all without seatbelts, jackets, or shoes, and the two boys are standing with their heads out of the sunroof. Laura was going to ask them to sit down, but how could she do that to them - they look like they are having such a blast. Oh look, a bee has flown into Charlie's mouth. The speed limit says 25, but she's going 55 - she is a big deal after all and they have a lot of ground to cover in one night. After making a quick stop at the liquor store (mamma needs to get some water guys - wait in the car - this is a new, special water bottle - it's called Smirnoff Water), they continue their journey until Laura crashes into a parked car. When they get home, they all get naked and lay on top on each other, basking in the love and snuggling. Then poor fetal alcohol Charlie says the sweetest thing to his sister - so beautiful that it brings tears to Laura's eyes: "Evie, I love you, you are soft and I like to fondle you. When you grow boobies, I am going to make wild monkey love to you like they do in those scary movies mommy lets me watch." Chips gets strangely jealous.:|

[boris85]

Laura is such a lush that she fills her mouth with grape jam and leaves it in there for days - hoping that it will magically ferment.

[boris85]

Hey - look what I found - a picture of Tummy with his mom and brothers:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b9/Sigmundsea.jpeg

[boris85]

And here's Tummy's Uncle Rip - he was a big deal back then.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/ac/Ripwemmy_fs.jpg/220px-Ripwemmy_fs.jpg

[zodiac]

When they get home, they all get naked and lay on top on each other, basking in the love and snuggling. Then poor fetal alcohol Charlie says the sweetest thing to his sister - so beautiful that it brings tears to Laura's eyes: "Evie, I love you, you are soft and I like to fondle you. When you grow boobies, I am going to make wild monkey love to you like they do in those scary movies mommy lets me watch." Chips gets strangely jealous.:|


Now Boris, that is crossing the line a bit much.
My kids are about the same age as hers and reading that made me sick to my stomach.
Back off the kids a little please.

[SDchick]

About addicts spouses'.....
I have personal experience with Laura's situation, only I was on Dave side. Yes, addicts can be sneaky and liars. They can wipe out your bank accout and deny, deny, deny...even when you have photographic proof. They are great at hiding, everything they do not want you to now about...that is they THINK they are good at it. They also think you will believe ANYTHING they say, because they know you do not want to believe they are lying to you. You always have the hope "this time" will be differnt. You also hope the life you have created is as vauluable to them as it is to you. Unfortunately, it takes a back seat to addiction.

Yes, he knew something was going on and it could only continue because he let it. We all have a part to play in the cycle of addiction. Most people do not want to accept they have a problem too, just that the addict has "the problem".

That being said, I have agreed with some of you here that Laura does not seem with the program. Each person is different but, she doesn't seem to acknowledge how serious addiction is, and the destuction it leaves in it's wake. This can definetly lead to relapse, boy and as bad as it is the first time around, it is worse the second. It is too bad she doesn't have the support of her husband, however, I totaly understand being "done" the addict and their behavior. Sometimes, you just have to move on for the good of all of you (children included)

Anyway, that's my take, not that any one asked. He most definetly has responsibility in this situation. It would not have been going on for as long as it did without his help. Someone was picking up the pieces.
ex-starlistener, thank you for sharing your "Dave" side of things. Since we never hear from Dave, (smart man) we don't know how much responsibility he takes in all of this. We just know tht from Laura's diary entries, she seems bitter and has not acknowledged how serious her problem is.

I would love to know how things have gone on for you and your family since you moved on? did your spouse finally take on the responsiblity of his/her actions? Do you have children? How are they? Just wondering, so yes, I'm asking. :)

[boris85]

Now Boris, that is crossing the line a bit much.
My kids are about the same age as hers and reading that made me sick to my stomach.
Back off the kids a little please.

Laura puts these odd images in our heads with her strange comments. I am in no way condoning this behavior. It is appalling, but plausible, in an exaggerated way, based on the direction things are going. If no one points it out, there is no way to change behavior. Search within yourself young Skywalker - you know it to be true, you always have...

Sometimes our stomachs need to be twisted a bit to instigate action. If boundaries are not established and their odd, naked snuggling fests halted - this could become a reality. If you drive the Audubon, be prepared to crash. Achtung baby.

[11ListenerNot]

I briefly heard Laura on the air this morning teasing Delayna for having too much to drink at the staff lunch yesterday. She also mentioned it today in her diary entry...hmmm envious perhaps??

[11ListenerNot]

Sorry Dawnski, and layla, didn't see your post until just now and I mentioned the Delayna thing...Pulling a small DB hee

[des1969]

Yeah, that really bugged that LBM jabbed at Delana like that. Jealous that someone can stop at 2 or 3 beers? Me think so.

And hell yeah, she was bothered that everyone got to drink but her.

This is what I'm talking about. She's not even a nice person. She's a vain, egotistical, self-absorbed, MEAN alcoholic

[BigAl]

Why do they talk of their kids and specifics??? Everyone knows where they live and can google addresses, etc. They are asking for the David Westerfield copycats to invade their lives. Idiots they must be. Oh, "Big Deal" San Diego Idiots.......

[Trixie]

http://www.dwlz.com/Graphics/scalegood.gif

[Dawnski]

http://www.dwlz.com/Graphics/scalegood.gif

You need some springs springing out of the broken scale!!!

[Sapphie]

When Tommy's blog first appeared on the website this morning it looked as though someone had mistakenly double-posted it but the two posts had some subtle differences. The blog that was posted on this forum has since been deleted.
Blog 1:
she took me to what could possibly be the house we get next year if all goes well and the kids are cool, which I believe they already are.
Blog 2:
she took me to what could possibly be the house we get next year if all goes well with the market and the kids are finished with the school year.
Blog 1:
we get to the house and jump the fence
Blog 2:
last night we get to the model homes and jump the fence
So they are looking at a brand new house which won't be finished until sometime next year and they've viewed the models before with the kids in tow hence Vanessa's "dibs" which I seriously hope she doesn't get.

[boris85]

http://www.dwlz.com/Graphics/scalegood.gif

Tummy doesn't really step on the scale. Picture a scale for a big rig. He kind of rolls onto the scale. In factm he has an industrial size scale in his house. He claims its there because he collects antiques. Not! He got it from the SD Zoo - they used it to weigh elephants.

[Sapphie]

One more I just noticed:
Blog 1:
Vanessa already has dibs on this unattached room to the house for her room.
Blog 2:
Vanessa already has dibs on this room that looks perfect for a teenager, because it looks like it's her own suite.

I think maybe that his blog was edited by him after reading the posts on here

[OneKidOneDogMom]

One more I just noticed:
Blog 1:
Vanessa already has dibs on this unattached room to the house for her room.
Blog 2:
Vanessa already has dibs on this room that looks perfect for a teenager, because it looks like it's her own suite.

I think maybe that his blog was edited by him after reading the posts on here

Oh how I wish Amused was still around to tell the real truth....sigh....

[boris85]

Oh how I wish Amused was still around to tell the real truth....sigh....

She's here. She's among us. If you close your eyes, gently run your fingers along the inside of your thigh, and caress the back of your neck, you can feel her presence. Hmmmm. More wine?

[boris85]

Hey - a new report has just been released. Maybe we were too hard on Tummy for wear diapers. Among the key medical findings: "All of us are walking around with a bag of water and a bag of stool in our pelvis," Dr. Landefeld said. "Anything that exerts increased pressure on those, tends to push them out, is potentially leading to incontinence."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/conditions/12/12/incontinence.ap/index.html

[Sapphie]

So, last night we get to the model homes and jump the fence and go in the back
Let's hope the realtor doesn't lose a job for not locking up the model home properly.

[Trixie]

Or, better yet, let's hope that the fool at the station who double posted XXXLs blog but didn't remove the first one, is fired!

I saw that both of those blogs were available at the same time. I checked about 10'ish, I believe. Heads might roll!

[Sapphie]

Trixie: the fool at the station is Tommy...he takes full 'credit' for the website, remember, so it's unlikely that Flubbs would be fired but it would be fun to watch his head roll.

[boris85]

Trixie: the fool at the station is Tommy...he takes full 'credit' for the website, remember, so it's unlikely that Flubbs would be fired but it would be fun to watch his head roll.

He's a moron (maybe a mormon too) - for a couple weeks, "December" was spelled "Deccember" in Loser's Daily Dirt (aka, I can cut an paste old new stories from E Online)

[boris85]

Does anyone want to play with my monkey? Look it it, it's gorgeous...:bandit:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/33/Monkey3.jpg/150px-Monkey3.jpg

[Sapphie]

I have a theory....Mooch over exaggerates the extent of Flubby's snoring in order to avoid sleeping in the same bed...unless she's made a video as proof, how would he know?

[Sapphie]

boris85:
Does anyone want to play with my monkey? Look it it, it's gorgeous...
That's a very sad looking monkey, boris

[boris85]

I have a theory....Mooch over exaggerates the extent of Flubby's snoring in order to avoid sleeping in the same bed...unless she's made a video as proof, how would he know?

Bet I can make you puke! Imagine her and HIM having a "private" moment.

[boris85]

boris85:
That's a very sad looking monkey, boris

He's French.

[boris85]

Wouldn't it be great if we could get one of Star's competitors - maybe Jack - to mention this website one their station??? J&J would be furious!!! We could also put free ads on the Reader and Craig's List...

[Sapphie]

He's French.
Quel dommage

[boris85]

Quel dommage

Don't pity the monkey. Embrace him. If you rub his tummy, you get a prize.

[boris85]

Quel dommage

Pity the monkey, create a pitiful monkey. Teach a monkey to fish, he'll open a fish market.

Now, go forth an conquer. I'll be on Oprah soon, selling my worldly insights in a new book called "The Hush, Hush," not to be confused with that scam called "The Secret." Yes, I am a big deal.

[boris85]

Let me interpret this scene for you.

Tommy: You're so hot you make me snore, my little lumpia.
Michelle: Your snoring makes me vibrate all over. I want to roll you in flour and hide M&Ms in your fat rolls.

http://jeffandjer.star941sandiego.com/timages/page/tommy_michelle_look1.jpg

[boris85]

Another popular scene...

Laura: Hey San Diego, I am a worthless mom, but I can tell you where all the crack houses are; and if you tell me a street name, I can name every liquor store within a three-mile radius. Tell a friend. See you next time on Crack Chat.

http://jeffandjer.star941sandiego.com/timages/page/chick_chat_logo.jpg

[pax]

Boris, you drinking tonight?

[boris85]

Well, I've tried to entice you with my insight, humor, and amazing looks. I've even used sexy talk and I've brought sexy back. And yet, no one will play with me, or my monkey. Thus, I must say, adios (until Monday, of course).

[boris85]

Boris, you drinking tonight?
and tomorrow

[shello]

Wow, he did change the blahg from this morning! Could it have been because we called him on his lies or maybe an ex of his got on his case for its content.

If you look at how he worded his little trespass blagh (both the earlier posted version and the one he edited) it reads totally fake and made up. Very glossed over and appears to have been written by some corny teen in love. I still don''t see how it happened unless it's a new home still under construction...so new that there is no fencing or landscaping.

Model homes typically have such high fences around them as well as the wrought iron fencing that keeps you caged in so that you can only look at the homes they want you to see before you then must exit the way you came in. Think about it if you've ever looked at model homes.

[blondmom]

sapphie, you've enlightened me with the snoring comment..the unattached "suite" is really planned for Tubby (to get him out of her house)! That is the Master Plan, he is just too stupid to realize it. When he goes back to his slimeball ways, he can live out there.

[Sapphie]

sapphie, you've enlightened me with the snoring comment..the unattached "suite" is really planned for Tubby (to get him out of her house)! That is the Master Plan, he is just too stupid to realize it. When he goes back to his slimeball ways, he can live out there.
aah, yes....good thinking blondmom...the plot thickens....after he's moved in to the "suite" she's going to say she can still hear him and could he please move down the street....voila!..her not-so-SECRET goal accomplished.

[oops]

Gawd I haven't posted in a bit, but reading these recent posts just drove me crazy!

Letting his new teenage daughter have separate living quarters?! What happened to the Sheriff?! I have teenagers and they don't like having their room too far from ours because it can get scary! What an idiot!

Laura's gonna laze around all weekend and admire her new tv and gifts from her friends at the showgram? What a horrible jab at Delana. The jealousy was dripping off that one. What happened to the rental? No efforts towards moving in and setting up house so that when she does get to see her kids they have some semblance of "home" and normalcy instead of Uncle Tommy's flop house?

Yeah, Dave had signs, probably more and more as he looks back and kicks himself, but addicts are selfish liars, first and foremost. And really, she hasn't changed that from what she's demonstrated: still selfish, and still lying to herself about who's to blame.

What's all this b.s. about the snoring crap? Thought they were saving themselves for marriage?! So why spend all that time in the same bed? He can't keep a single story/lie straight.

Okay, enough ranting for now. Sure they will provide us with much more fodder before long.

[blondmom]

yes, now we know the SECRET

[Trixie]

This was what LBM posted on Monday, in her Die-Ree.


Today, I'm going to get the keys to my house. I'm actually not allowed to move in until the 15th though, which is good because I was really sad this morning thinking about leaving Tommy's house.

This means she can move in on Saturday. In fact, at Midnight tonight, she can be turning the key in the lock. Let's start the countdown to when LBM actually gets her rear in gear.

I'm thinking perhaps when the show takes their next vacation.


Because, working 4 hours a day, doesn't leave much time for packing, after you take a nap. She could probably toss all her junk in her car and do it in one trip. Except LBM might like to 'trip' if you know what I mean.:disa:

[RowdyOne]

1) What a good thing it is that we post the "first draft" blaghs and dia-rees here, for posterity. Then when FH and LBM modify them, they're busted. Case in point: the latest one from FH concerning Vanessa's unattached house, and the trespassing at the model home site. Obviously FH reads here and adjusts his blab accordingly.

2) Why is it that only FH and LBM write blabs? Weren't Jeff & Jer supposed to have their own too? Do you think J&J know it's dangerous to put their thoughts (such as they are) in writing? Do they have a little smidgen of sense? FH and LBM don't have a clue.

3) Is Randy ever heard on the air any more? I haven't listened for so long, I don't know, and there's been no reference to him here lately.

4) Delana, Delana. Do you read here? You must know how classy you are. Don't be tainted by the scum you have to face each morning.

Hi tommy :wavey2:

[Sapphie]

Out of all the recent posts, I think this one struck the loudest chord with me:

SDGirl87: There is probably a lot more here than we will ever know, or should know. It IS private, afterall. I don't care how public a persona she is, this is very personal and private and should remain that way.
It seems Laura and Flubby both put out into the ether anything and everything that might garner bigger ratings regardless of how it might affect their kids or exes....

SDGirl: I also liked this: "Laura's Whinery"....very clever! :)

[Elton]

I emailed Delana ([email protected]) and she responded very quickly.

What I said:
Delana, I just want you to know that Laura's jab at you in her diary about wobbling to the bathroom was disgusting. She's lashing out because she can't drink and she's jealous, but there was no reason for her to single you out as if she is somehow better than you. You are a class act and she will always be a wannabe (star, actor, model, good mom, faithful wife -- you name it). And you can bet everyone who heard that insult knows even more what a self-centered brat she is.

What she said:
I drank too early and too much, and felt really bad after I did that -shouldn't have had that much, so she's got a right to tease me, I think recovery is tough, and I could have been more sensitive to the drinking. Thanks for writing... hope you have a nice holiday.

[pax]

Delana is obviously a classy woman. That said, I just came in from imbibing the Guinness at the Ould Sod. Yum!

[Transplant]

I emailed Delana. . .

station: KUSS

name: Heather

homephone: 619-555-1212

comments: Delana, I love listening to you on 94.1 and 95.7...but I've got to say...it bugs me when J&J constantly interupt you !!!!!! I'd rather hear you then them!!!!

AND HER CLASSY RESPONSE....

Thanks for saying something so nice. I consider myself lucky to just be on the air with them though...they are amazing. I have fun doing the show. It's cool you listen to both stations though, I'm surprised you aren't sick of me!

[SDReadhead]

SDGirl: You are certainly in fine fettle today...I'm gonna have to start a separate pith list just for you. :) Thooper!

Hi everyone, I'm back from a week of working two jobs (one was my normal teaching job; the other was teaching an evening class in writing to business people who don't want to sound like FH when they write.) I took on the extra job for a friend who couldn't keep the committment. I wonder if she's getting me a bench with my name on it for Christmas.

I'm not nearly caught up on your hilarious and also touching posts, but this one made me laugh and I had to ask Jake ... if I am old for saying fetching, what is Sapphie for saying fine fettle????

LBMs blah-humblog about her daughter thinking her mom wasn't coming to get her was heartbreaking. Hey, LBM ... do you think that fact that your children have experienced you in the past unable to be there for them still haunts them? Why don't you think this stuff through and prepare for these types of things so they don't flash back to the times when you really might NOT have been there for them? I'm sick of you talking about your needs all the time. Your kids are so much more important.

Well, back to the posts for about 15 minutes and then I need to get some laundry done around here. If anyone sees that I'm still here (with my little green light shining by my avatar) after 15 minutes is up, tell me to step away from the computer! (step 1 -- admit you have a problem).

[oops]

Delana Rocks! Couldn't be classier.

[oops]

Step back SDReadHead! Times up! (my laundry and Christmas chores call too!)

[wanky]

I think Delana is definitely professional and not dumb!!!That woman knows Tubby has access to her personal email account or if need be, find a way to hack it (after all he knows people's ip addresses who posts here, right?). She has to say something nice about them or it's her job on the line. She is not only classy, she knows how to play their game. Only her close friends know what she really thinks of the screwballgram cast. If you read her Delana, we won't tell. Keep up the good work and we understand why you have to dodge the issues at hand.

[shello]

I love this board but I think we should be careful when it comes to Delana and what we believe she might think of her nutty co-workers. I'd hate for anyone there to give her a hard time for what they read here and then believe. Does that make sense? D truly is a cut above the rest and we all know that!

On another note, we am decorating the tree today (finally!) and thinking about the tree topper. I remember that Letterman loves to put a steamin meatball with sauce on top of his. Because of the writer's strike we haven't seen it this year.....and I sure miss it! I wonder if Dave (and I think he celebrates Xmas at home with his cute little boy)puts a steamin meatball atop his tree at home. Something to ponder.

[shello]

I love this board but I think we should be careful when it comes to Delana and what we believe she might think of her nutty co-workers. I'd hate for anyone there to give her a hard time for what they read here and then believe. Does that make sense? D truly is a cut above the rest and we all know that!

On another note, we am decorating the tree today (finally!) and thinking about the tree topper. I remember that Letterman loves to put a steamin meatball with sauce on top of his. Because of the writer's strike we haven't seen it this year.....and I sure miss it! I wonder if Dave (and I think he celebrates Xmas at home with his cute little boy)puts a steamin meatball atop his tree at home. Something to ponder.
I can't believe I quoted myself....didn't mean to do that. I am not a big deal!

Oh, and the DC band has built up quite an array of Xmas songs...can you hear them now?

[wanky]

[QUOTE=shello]I love this board but I think we should be careful when it comes to Delana and what we believe she might think of her nutty co-workers. I'd hate for anyone there to give her a hard time for what they read here and then believe. Does that make sense? D truly is a cut above the rest and we all know that!

I understand your point shello. I do not have proof that she has ill thoughts toward her co workers. She might just be a forgiving, compassionate and very tolerant person to withstand all of the cr*p they sometimes put her through on air. I guess if I were in her shoe, I would have quit the show a long time ago rather than having to put up with their fake personalities. SO Tummy and all the fans of the slowgram, leave D alone!

[RanchoPen]

I don't want to pull a DB, but I finally watched the newest "Tubby" episode..without sound because I just couldn't take having to listen to it. I'm sure this has already been pointed out, but it was so totally staged. XXXL in a shirt with an actual collar?? He is SO pathetic. As one of you has already mentioned...DEAD eyes. Actually, he has no face to speak of. Lots of chins.

[Trixie]

Sunday December 16, 2007 7:30am
Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 11:24am

Sunday December 16, 2007 7:30am: The only things on my mind right now are the following:

*******Eddie and Vanessa and what to get them for Christmas and reflecting on the year and looking forward to 2008 and seeing the grow up so fast just in this last year. Vanessa became a teenager and Eddie became a lover boy in a huge way and is in love big time with his girlfriend.

*******My mom: My mom wasn't doing so well earlier this year, but she has been getting so much better in a huge way. She calls me each morning to say hello and she is talking more clearer and she even talks with Michelle. I am now a strong believer in just LOVING up a person and just talking and being there for someone who may be sick. My mom has 24 hour FRIENDS AND FAMILY by her side, not nurses so to speak. She has people helping her that love and know her, not that are there for a paycheck. I love the fact that my mom is getting better and is still calling me to make sure I locked the doors and I ate something.

********Michelle and I have FOUND a home. It has been approved by each kid and the rooms are being fought over as we speak by them in a good fun way. I need to sell PQ first and I am just about to do that and I'm hoping things can happen to make this dream come true. Our timeline is May and June, but for some reason, we are trying hard to push it up. I hope we can, but if not, we will stay on the timeline or see where things fall into place.

*******You're not going to be happy with this, but I have had a cramp in my stomach for almost a full week. It has brought me to my knees a few times and it grabs me and doesn't let go for a long few seconds at any given time. It has gotten better and I can walk with ease now and I can bear the pain, but for most of the week I thought I was going to give birth or start my period. No joke. Not sure if this is isolated or if this is a bug. I'm just too busy to get it checked out.


As all of the above is on my mind 24 hours a day, there is one more thing that is kind of more OUTFRONT and more top of mind for me and that is Breaking and Entering Christmas and taking care of the family. This year more than any other year is FUN and I have more people helping out from the regulars on the walks to my longtime hoodlum friends to Steve Finley to clients that have become friends. We've all been on the phone to eachother all day long over the last several days. Big items, small items, etc. are all being gathered as we speak and I can't wait to do it on Thursday.

5 more shows to do for the year and Christmas is just around the corner. I had a great year and I believe 2007 was my best year personally and professionally, it's time to stop reflecting and thinking about 2008 and how I can better myself and do things a lot better this time around in the new year. My goal next year is to keep the walking and hiking up and at the end of 2008 I'm down in my weight rather than up as I am at this moment, but in my heart and in my soul and mainly because my mom's health, my children, and Michelle: I am the happiest I've ever been!

[Dawnski]

LBM's jacket is too tight and seems dated -- like maybe 5 years ago?

Where is Styles 4 Less (where she bought it)? Never seen it.

Great insight in her diary today. It's amazing she can write that stuff and not see the reality in it. I can't stop rubbernecking at that crash day after day after day...

Did anyone else notice that the $73 outfit jacket looks the same as the jacket she's wearing in one of the Jingle Ball pictures?

[Trixie]

Possible causes for FH's stomach cramp: He got secret Lap Band Surgery during his sleep and doesn't realize that he has a tummy the size of his brain now (that would be the size of a walnut).


OR maybe his side cramp is because someone has stabbed him with a sharp knife and is twisting it ever so slow?

Could it be an ulcer? We could be so lucky, since that would be easily treatable these days. Why doesn't he have time to take himself to see someone, maybe LBM can recommend Dr. Ho.

The comment that his mommy calls him every day. I think that might be the staff working with her (for their paycheck) that dial, and hold the phone. It doesn't mean he actually converses with her. It might be a simple voicemail, that they send, daily, and he assumes it is a new message. Why doesn't he post her messages on the web? Maybe I shouldn't suggest that.

Okay, SDGirl, have fun with the re-write of this blog. Again, no mention of church or the Chargers, but he did point out that there are only 5 more shows this week, before they take their excessive vacations.

(silly typos, did I fix them all?)

[Dawnski]

Sunday December 16, 2007 7:30am
Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 11:24am

Sunday December 16, 2007 7:30am: The only things on my mind right now are the following:

*******Eddie and Vanessa and what to get them for Christmas and reflecting on the year and looking forward to 2008 and seeing the grow up so fast just in this last year. Vanessa became a teenager and Eddie became a lover boy in a huge way and is in love big time with his girlfriend.

*******My mom: My mom wasn't doing so well earlier this year, but she has been getting so much better in a huge way. She calls me each morning to say hello and she is talking more clearer and she even talks with Michelle. I am now a strong believer in just LOVING up a person and just talking and being there for someone who may be sick. My mom has 24 hour FRIENDS AND FAMILY by her side, not nurses so to speak. She has people helping her that love and know her, not that are there for a paycheck. I love the fact that my mom is getting better and is still calling me to make sure I locked the doors and I ate something.

********Michelle and I have FOUND a home. It has been approved by each kid and the rooms are being fought over as we speak by them in a good fun way. I need to sell PQ first and I am just about to do that and I'm hoping things can happen to make this dream come true. Our timeline is May and June, but for some reason, we are trying hard to push it up. I hope we can, but if not, we will stay on the timeline or see where things fall into place.

*******You're not going to be happy with this, but I have had a cramp in my stomach for almost a full week. It has brought me to my knees a few times and it grabs me and doesn't let go for a long few seconds at any given time. It has gotten better and I can walk with ease now and I can bear the pain, but for most of the week I thought I was going to give birth or start my period. No joke. Not sure if this is isolated or if this is a bug. I'm just too busy to get it checked out.


As all of the above is on my mind 24 hours a day, there is one more thing that is kind of more OUTFRONT and more top of mind for me and that is Breaking and Entering Christmas and taking care of the family. This year more than any other year is FUN and I have more people helping out from the regulars on the walks to my longtime hoodlum friends to Steve Finley to clients that have become friends. We've all been on the phone to eachother all day long over the last several days. Big items, small items, etc. are all being gathered as we speak and I can't wait to do it on Thursday.

5 more shows to do for the year and Christmas is just around the corner. I had a great year and I believe 2007 was my best year personally and professionally, it's time to stop reflecting and thinking about 2008 and how I can better myself and do things a lot better this time around in the new year. My goal next year is to keep the walking and hiking up and at the end of 2008 I'm down in my weight rather than up as I am at this moment, but in my heart and in my soul and mainly because my mom's health, my children, and Michelle: I am the happiest I've ever been!

FH must be busy....he just cut and pasted old blogs.....how many times do we have to hear about how Vanessa is a teenager, Eddie is in love, Mom is getting getting and sounding better....blah, blah, blah. Oh, and your stomach probably hurts because you are eating too much crap! You have NO idea what the pain of birth or menstrual cramping is. You probably can't even spell menstrual.

[Dawnski]

Again, no mention of church or the Chargers, but he did point out that there are only 5 more shows this week, before they take their excessive vacations.

Oh yeah - I saw that too. I have lots of vacation at my job too, but I can't imagine working 4 hours per day, then getting all the time off that they get. Too bad he will probably just be lazing around his house, eating and writing his blog, then eating some more. Maybe Amused is getting so much alimony and child support that he really can't afford a decent vacation.........nah. He's just not smart enough to think of anything.

[11ListenerNot]

He works 4 hours a day and doesn't have time to go to the doctor?? Give me a freaking break!

[11ListenerNot]

********Michelle and I have FOUND a home. It has been approved by each kid and the rooms are being fought over as we speak by them in a good fun way. I need to sell PQ first and I am just about to do that and I'm hoping things can happen to make this dream come true. Our timeline is May and June, but for some reason, we are trying hard to push it up. I hope we can, but if not, we will stay on the timeline or see where things fall into place.
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Oh my gosh, where is Amused when we need her? I would love further clarification of this statement!

[blondmom]

what an idiot he is to buy a new home for Michelle and her kids, you know once the keys are in her hand...his kids will be subtly pushed out the door. classic move. sell the home they know, so his new girlfriend is happy in a bigger home with her kids. nice.

if he puts her name anywhere on that title, he is even stupider than i think.

[shello]

Tommy,

Do not sell your RP home....you may need it someday. I'll bet your house payment is low and you could rent it out and still come out ahead. Didn't Jer tell you this? While he is an a-hole of epic proportion, I believe he makes smart financial moves. Also, you might want to wait until the one year mark to marry Moochelle....which means about next July/Aug. If you are still together then you might want to think about getting married.

Do you NOT see the writing on the wall? She dates the guys with the largest bank accounts for her own persoanl gain. Why can everyone else see this but you?
She must give one heck of a b___ j__.

[Texasgirl]

Let me jump back to LBM alluding to the mediation not going her way. My guess is that she realizes that she will not get the custody she hoped for. Since child support is based on the percentage of time the kids spend with each parent, she will stand to lose a lot if Dave has the kids most of the time and she has the bigger salary. Even so, she should still be able to afford rent in this real estate market.

How did she get away with using for so long until things came to a head? Addicts are really good at hiding things. Even after DC hired the nanny, LBM could still come home from work, go in her room because she "needed a nap," and drink the bottle she bought on the way home. Although both DC and the nanny would smell some alcohol, they may not have realized just how much she actually drank after she had slept some of it off. I have also seen a significant other let the addict use without confrontation, because they had their own secrets and didn't want to rock the boat.

Here's my question. When LBM was using narcotics, how did she get them? Even if she were doctor shopping and had multiple prescriptions, it still sounds like she was using stuff that a pharmacy doesn't sell. If she brought the kids along, there would be too high of a risk that Charlie would make comments that others would question. This is an area that I know nothing about, but on Intervention the users are making daily trips to their dealers and spending incredible amounts of money. Maybe I have answered my own question above, but it still seems like something is missing...

DC#44

[Texasgirl]

I clicked on the Instasong link and looked at it over the weekend. The funny choices and cheesy voice made me laugh out loud. I made a song for my adult daughter wishing her "Screw You Day" because she was in a bad mood, and it even made her laugh. She is a tough critic, and if she liked it you can probably find something comical there, too.

DC#44

[Carol]

How much do you want to bet we will be hearing Tommy shilling for CRAPPY Michael Cruz homes in the new year?

[pax]

Uh, hope this isn't too Dilly of me but who is Michael Cruz?

[sandiegomom]

Michael Crews?? http://www.michaelcrews.com/New_Homes/sandiego/sandiego_map.html

There's one that has a separate suite over the garage...

[Carol]

He is a big developer out here in North County Inland. Not only does he allow houses to be built amazingly wrong and sometimes structurally unsound but the guy is kinda an asshat as well.

[listener13]

Hey Tommy - we'll know which house you're going to get before YOU do. I'm sure your new address will be on dontdatehimgirl.com within the next year.

[GGmami]

Uh, hope this isn't too Dilly of me but who is Michael Cruz?

I think its "Crews" and I think he is a developer. I see signs by new neighborhoods advertising Michael Crews homes.

Sorry, I just saw that the question was already answered and by others with more info than me.:)

[Carol]

I think its "Crews" and I think he is a developer. I see signs by new neighborhoods advertising Michael Crews homes.


You are 100% correct, sorry for my typo!

[TJLuv]

I emailed Delana. . .

station: KUSS

name: Heather

homephone: 619-555-1212

comments: Delana, I love listening to you on 94.1 and 95.7...but I've got to say...it bugs me when J&J constantly interupt you !!!!!! I'd rather hear you then them!!!!

AND HER CLASSY RESPONSE....

Thanks for saying something so nice. I consider myself lucky to just be on the air with them though...they are amazing. I have fun doing the show. It's cool you listen to both stations though, I'm surprised you aren't sick of me!

I really like her.

[califbrat]

Hey Tommy - we'll know which house you're going to get before YOU do. I'm sure your new address will be on dontdatehimgirl.com within the next year.

Listner

I have a even better choice for him.. the development named
Gretna Greeen! If you remember back in 1994 thats the street name where Nicole Simpson lived ( at least one of her homes ) where the 911 call was recorded and you could hear her give the operator her address and said its him again..you know this address OJ Simpson!

[Wabbitsd]

re: Delana...we all know she's pretty savvy...there's no way she could even know if the e-mails she gets are from real listeners, or maybe insecure coworkers hoping to catch her saying stuff.

Sh's a smart cookie who knows she can never be busted for saying kind things about the people around her. And she does strike me as a person who follows the "if you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all" kinda person. She's a pro....the rest of those creeps are NOT....we can all see that.

[SDGirl87]

XXXL Sunday Morning Blah-Blah-Blag

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Sunday December 16, 2007 7:30am
Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 11:24am

Sunday December 16, 2007 7:30am: The only things on my mind right now are the following wait, there's more than one thing on your mind? HOW?? :

*******Eddie and Vanessa and what to get them for Christmas How about something age appropriate and relatively responsible, say a new BMW (safety first!)for Vanessa and some stock in Trojan for Eddie? and reflecting on the year and looking forward to 2008 and seeing the grow up so fast just in this last year Gee, that wouldn't have ANYTHING to do with you refusing to be their dad now would it??. Vanessa became a teenager and Eddie became a lover boy in a huge way At 11????? A lover boy in a huge way and this is cause for celebration??? Gee, you're going to be a grandfather within a year at this rate and is in love big time with his girlfriend I repeat, at 11? I can hear Christmas 08 already...Merry Christmas Gramps..

*******My mom: My mom wasn't doing so well earlier this year, understatement of the year but she has been getting so much better in a huge way again with the "huge way". Are we having body image issues there sweetie?? . She calls me each morning to say hello and she is talking more clearer and she even talks with Michelle TALKING? That woman can barely speak above a whisper. She's very ill and you are going to regret that you put her through what you have these last few months. . I am now a strong believer in just LOVING up a person as opposed to beating them up and stalking them? GREAT!! A break through!and just talking and being there for someone who may be sick yes, because we all know that talking to someone who is sick is exactly what they need to rest, and recover.. My mom has 24 hour FRIENDS AND FAMILY Oh, FRIENDS AND FAMILY. Well then, she's all set. Just friends or just family, not a chance. by her side, not nurses so to speak so now her hired nurses are friends and family? They sure toss those words around easily, don't they? . She has people helping her that love and know her thought she was getting better? , not that are there for a paycheck so you're saying if you STOP paying them, that they will still come and help? Wake up. . I love the fact that my mom is getting better and is still calling me to make sure I locked the doors and I ate something Seriously? She's worried that you aren't eating? Now we KNOW you haven't been to Chula Vista in a long while. Thought you were going to her house EVERY DAY (your words, not mine), and sometimes more than once a day? .

********Michelle and I have FOUND a home.was it lost? It has been approved by each kid and the rooms are being fought over because nothing quite says Brady Bunch like a good cat fight over who gets which part time room when they're forced to be with the irresponsible "parents" who are shacking up as we speak by them in a good fun way FUN? Ha. It's a fight to the death for the cool room. I need to sell PQ first In this market? Yeah, good luck with that and I am just about to do that you already have a buyer? Howdja manage that???and I'm hoping things can happen to make this dream come true which dream? Selling the house you love and moving further away from your very ill mom? . Our timeline is May and June, but for some reason, we are trying hard to push it up so she won't back out? In case she gets pregnant (ewww..sorry), so she can start adding up the pennies for the inevitable divorce? . I hope we can, but if not, we will stay on the timeline or see where things fall into place see where things fall into place? what on earth does that mean???.

*******You're not going to be happy with this, but I have had a cramp in my stomach for almost a full week Why am I not going to be happy about this? Are your health issues really supposed to have an affect on my outlook? Elf 9, the memo book please. Clever use of the red and green stocking there Mr. Elf! Bonus points!!(sorry, I digress) . It has brought me to my knees a few times and it grabs me and doesn't let go for a long few seconds at any given time Ok, so if you are so stupid as to ignore pain that brings you to your knees, PLEASE don't expect us to be anything but incredulous at your utter lack of brainwave activity in getting medical attention immediately.. It has gotten better and I can walk with ease now and I can bear the pain, but for most of the week I thought I was going to give birth or start my period So you've had gender re-assignment surgery, and somehow grown a set of ovaries and a uterus, and experienced monthly menstruation AND gotten pregnant and delivered in a week? IMPRESSIVE!!! Must be some of that fancy math you're do fond of. It also explains the weight gain. . No joke. I'm not laughing. Not sure if this is isolated or if this is a bug Well, you BUG us, does that count??. I'm just too busy to get it checked out Too busy doing what exactly? ER's are open 24 hours a day. If it was really that bad, you'd be heading to the nearest one for the attention. Nice try though..


As all of the above is on my mind 24 hours a day well, at least you know how many hours are in a typical day. These things are on your mind even when asleep? WOW. , there is one more thing that is kind of more OUTFRONT and more top of mind for me and that is Breaking and Entering Christmas and taking care of the family because throwing expensive gifts and clothes at them will take care of all of their woes for 2008. . This year more than any other year is FUN yes, I'm sure that the families who are down on their luck, lost their homes in the fires/landslides, lost jobs, lost homes to the mortgage meltdown, or lost loved ones this year classify their lives as YOUR FUN and I have more people helping out from the regulars on the walks Your "BEST FRIENDS" to my longtime hoodlum friends is it just me, or does it strike anyone else as odd that one would continue to associate with "hoodlum buddies"? to Steve Finley to clients that have become friends Is there anyone who HASN'T become a friend to you this year? . We've all been on the phone to each other all day long so no one works? GEEZE, must be nice. over the last several days. Big items, small items, etc. are all being gathered as we speak and I can't wait to do it on Thursday so why wait? get it over with already and let us move on.

5 more shows to do for the year Really? By my count, there are 10 more business days left in the calendar year and Christmas is just around the corner NEWSFLASH! Christmas is just around the corner!! Hey, DC folks...did you know that Christmas is just around the corner? Quick, someone call CNN and FoxNews...put out an ad in the UT!! Christmas is just around the corner! I'm so glad he told us...I had no idea.. I had a great year and I believe 2007 was my best year personally and professionally funny how good it feels to not be arrested or be served with papers, isn't it? , it's time to stop reflecting oh, is that what we've been doing? reflecting? Gotcha.and thinking about 2008 and how I can better myself stop drinking, for real. stop eating, for real. start parenting, for real. stop pretending that your Mom is ok, she isn't. stop the farce of your "love" for Michelle. stop lying. stop leering at every female animal that passes by you. and do things a lot better this time around in the new year see above.. My goal next year is to keep the walking and hiking up and at the end of 2008 I'm down in my weight rather than up as I am at this moment ah-ha! A moment of honesty! you now weigh more than you did before you started this whole "weight loss" thing...which by my calculations, means you have GAINED in excess of 50 pounds in a few months...sort of like we all told you would happen if you chose to lose weight the way that you did. Imagine that. , but in my heart and in my soul and mainly because my mom's health, my children, and Michelle: I am the happiest I've ever been fat, dumb and happy. Sounds about right.

[Texasgirl]

Tubby,
Do you get the cramps right before or right after the narcolepsy kicks in? That was your problem last week. It is a good thing that you post your every move so that cautious folks can stay off the road when you are driving. Can you imagine the resulting lawsuit after you crash due to medical problems you clearly posted weeks before? Gosh, you might have to give up your trophy golddigger. And how will you keep your children's attention when you have no money?

It's karma.

DC#44

[GGmami]

I took one for the team and listened for few minutes this morning. FH is such an a$$. He makes me feel ill when I listen to him. Here is a quick summary of what I heard on the way to work.
First they were talking about Alec Baldwin and the obscene message that he left for his daughter (it happened sometime earlier this year), and FH says that he understands Alec's frustration. The man is cussing at a child! FH says that it wasn't right to do, but he hears the frustration and understands. He also says that Kim Bassinger (Alec's ex-wife) is as much to blame for the rant. So, it was a blatant jab at "Amused". There was dead silence and the others quickly changed the subject.
Within 5 minutes he starts talking about a dilemna he had over the weekend. He was at the mall with Mooch and there were 2 Charger girls there. He wanted to know if he should not look, or stare! Like there isn't another option...how about looking casually? The way he said stare made me picture his beady little eyes glaring at those women.:puke: Then of course Jerk had to start talking about boobs. He sais he could try not to look, but their boobs were staring him in the eyes. Through the whole segement Jerk kept making disgusting comments. They sound like teenage boys, really. The segment ended with FH admitting that he left Mooch to go to the bathroom, so he could walk by and stare at the Charger girls!

[listener13]

It's amazing how much these people give up about themselves on their freaking blobs and on the air - all sorts of stuff that can be used in lawsuits later......Tommy has an auto accident - anyone can look on his freaking blob and see that he KNEW he was narcoleptic, and did nothing about it because he's too busy working a 4-hour a day job. Moochie needs ammo to end their marriage (which believe me, it's not gonna last, if they even make it to the alter)......all she has to do is pull up this forum, and she has enough ammo to show that leopards don't change their spots....he's passive-aggressive with his ex-wife, and he's an ogling troll even in front of his current "fiance".

And LBMs diary - that thing is just riddled with bad parenting and stupidity. If I were Dave, I'd be printing that thing down daily.

Tragically clueless - both of them.

[SDGirl87]

December 17, 2007 5:15am
Monday, December 17, 2007 at 9:37am

December 17, 2007 5:15am: I went to bed like at 10pm last night and slept right on through until 5am. I remember trying to write a blog last night, but was too tired and sounded all over the road Did he REALLY make it that easy for me?? LOL. Ok, say it with me now..."and that's different from normal how???" :| . Now, this morning after NON STOP sleeping I could write you I'm all a quiver.. I didn't snore last night one bit. It's like the tree in the woods scenario. Does a tree make noise if it falls to the ground in the woods if nobody is there to hear it? Oh, I'm SURE you snored. I think I heard you and I live at least 15 miles awayWell, nobody was here last night so I can say I did not snore 100%! awwwwww....all alone there Skippy? :) I slept all by myself in my old beat up couch with the heater on and the tv on.Just a guess, but that MAY be contributing to your lack of sound sleep. TURN THE DARN TV OFF IDIOT@!!!! I went to bed watching a nice movie and woke up with the tv on girls gone wild (just like the old days).....ahhhh...fond memories of last week....

Jeff is out sick today, because he has cramps just like I do.now HE'S had gender assignment surgery too? GEEZE, when are all you finding time to do this?? He actually went into the hospital Saturday night and missed Jerry's party that's how a responsible adult deals with sudden and painful medical issues. Jeff has something that sounds too hard to try to pronounce at this time of the morning but it has something to do with his intestines and he can't eat thing with seeds in them.that sounds painful. ouch. I'm not 100% sure that's what I have, but we have the same symptoms and he is hunched over too!yes, I'm sure that some obscure intenstinal problem is contagious and somehow, you picked it up at the same time he did I'm getting better, but the GRABBING of my lower area EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. Did he REALLY have to go there??? still occurrs that drops me to my knees kind of kind of? you can't even please yourself? Ok...that was gross. I'm sorry.. BUT, I am getting better.:puke:

Okay, today after the show I have a lot to do for breaking and entering.I also need to take my car in to get serviced your BRAND NEW car needs servicing already???, Torrey Pines still avoiding that bench, huh?, and send off some bills It's the middle of the month. Why aren't your bills paid yet?. Those are the 4 big things I really need to do. If I was smart end of discussion..., I would do Torrey first after the show since you're probably wearing the same skanky blue outfit that we see all the time, then drop off my car and walk home??, and then do stuff for breaking and entering how are you planning to get around without the car? and the bills...What I shouldn't do is come home first cause you'll take a nap and do work, then I would simply blow off Torrey habits are hard to break, aren't they? Blowing off Torrey is a full time job with you these days! and not take my car in after I get on a roll for work a roll?? LOL. Hungry are you? . Honestly, I know this is such a silly thing to contemplate so why are you wasting our time?, but it means a lot to get all 4 things done today and historically IF I workout first THINGS go better after historically, we're still waiting for you to START working out. A meandering stroll isn't a workout. It's a walk..

I am 100% in the Christmas spirit Thank goodness. I heard a rumor that Christmas is right around the corner!. If no no...WHEN I'm in line at Jack in the Box, I'll pay for the people in line ahead of me I'm sure that they appreciate a perfect stranger, who looks rather shifty offering to pay for their meal. My kids kind of know it too, because they've been texting me and stuff texting and stuff?? What the heck does that mean? Are you like, in junior high dude? all day and all night on what they want for Christmas I already gave you suggestions. A BMW for Vanessa and Trojan stock for the boy . Yesterday, Michelle and I went to get some stuff for the breaking and entering family and both Eddie and Vanessa knew right away how did they know? I don't know every move MY parents make I would be in a great mood and took advantage of it in a good way translation: you allowed them to control your behavior and you enabled their teenage "gimmes" by giving them eveything they ask for while neglecting to teach them about delayed gratification, being thankful for what they DO have and realizing that giving is so much better than receiving. . This is also the time you hear people on the air about the dumbest of things AH-HA! An admission! He knows how crappy they sound!that usually wouldn't go on the air wrong, it's on the air every day, just because it's the holidays what's the excuse in April? I'm just asking..

5 more shows to go and this year is over I'm sure you're exhausted from the serious lack of time off this year. What with your 4 hour days and a least 2 weeks off per month and all. Honestly, I don't know how you do it and then it's all about family You've said no fewer than 5 times in the last few weeks that it's ALWAYS all about family. NOW it's suddenly all about family? Were you lying then? Are you lying now? and the holidays!

2008 is going to be a great healthy year! Not for you it isn't. You have absolutely no idea how to change the bad habits that put you where you are today. That would require maturity and accountability. You have neither.

[OneKidOneDogMom]

"I'm in line at Jack in the Box, I'll pay for the people in line ahead of me"

I think this is mathmatically impossible - "the people in line ahead of me" have already paid! Just another example of Tubby Logic.

[Layla]

Don't you know Jer and Tummy both majored in Mathematics. Peons like us just don't understand.

[Carol]

"I'm in line at Jack in the Box, I'll pay for the people in line ahead of me"

I think this is mathmatically impossible - "the people in line ahead of me" have already paid! Just another example of Tubby Logic.

If he paid for the people in line infront of him, he can poke his fat little head out of the line, announce to everyone in the store, with his pervy voice "HEY, I WILL PAY FOR YOUR FOOD, PUT THAT MONEY AWAY!!! LOOK AT MY KIND DEED, I SHALL PAY...FOR YOU!!!!"

If he paid for the people in line behind him, he would have to quietly, give the cashier the money, and say, "No, I don't need change, but could you please make sure the people's food behind me is paid for" and his deed would go unknown.

Where is the glory in that I ask?!? No one would know what a wonderful person he is. He wouldn't be able to write about how people in the line patted him on the back after he shelled out all that cash at Jack in the Box.

Also, yes it is *in theory* very nice of him to pay for someone else's meal......its just funny that he does not see that paying for someones meal...who can afford it in the first place, is kinda silly....what about using that money, and buying food for those who will be going hungry tonight?

...I guess because they can not hop on the computer and tell him what a good thing he did, like the people in Rancho can...

[OneKidOneDogMom]

Up next on the Spewgram: Trouble in Paradise? Tubby and Mooch have decided to live apart?

Hmmm, anyone want to take bets on how stupid this segment is going to be?

[Carol]

I am sure it will be non stop chuckles...

...seeing as how in his last blog they were buying a house together...

I love how awhile ago in his blog he said that he needed a solution to stop his snoring that didn't involve weight loss...he doesn't want something that is going to help him. He wants a fast fix. Not something that requires work.

[pax]

Laura's Diary - December 17th, 2007
Monday, December 17, 2007 at 12:10pm

Dear Diary,

I don't know how moms with two or more boys do it. The little balls of testosterone are like Tasmanian devils sometimes. Multiple-boy moms have to deal with it daily. I only have to deal with it when I have Chip and Charlie with me. Yesterday, I took the boys and the girl to my new rental house. I haven't moved a thing in yet, so the place is completely empty. I thought it would be fun for them to run around in an empty house for awhile. I was right! Fun for them, not fun for me. The boys decided to wrestle in all the rooms of the house. After 5 minutes, Charlie whipped off his shirt. Then, I see Chip take his shirt off, then his shorts, so he down to his underpants. He then hiked them up to his waist and chased Evan around until she cried. That was the point where Ev and I hid in the closet and just hugged each other in terror. Boys.

Before the all the fun, I took the kids to see Alvin and the Chipmunks. I am surprised that I'm writing this, but I have to admit, I really liked it! Those little guys are so cute, and so it Jason Lee! Who knew Earl cleaned up so well?

This week, I have to START my Christmas shopping for the kids. I think I know what all I'm getting them. Evan wants Dora toys. I asked her if she's sick of Dora yet. She says no. But, then she keeps talking about Strawberry Shortcake, so I'm torn. Charlie keeps babbling about Nintendo this and PSP that and Wii and whatnot. I don't know if I'm gonna go there. Maybe Santa will. He's been a really good boy. Really good boy.

I have decided that I am going to be happy about however we divide up this Christmas. As long as I'm with my babies and as long as we have a beautiful time together, it really doesn't matter what day or what time of day we open gifts, right?

Remind me that I wrote this when I get upset later this week, okay?

See you tomorrow, Diary.

[Smitty]

Now where in the world is Jeff again today??? Is he stuck in the midwest again this week? Doesn't he ever learn?

[SDGirl87]

Now where in the world is Jeff again today??? Is he stuck in the midwest again this week? Doesn't he ever learn?


Tubby said (in his blaaagh) that he is at home with some intestinal thing that sent him to the hospital on Sat night.

[Layla]

Laura's Diary - December 17th, 2007
Monday, December 17, 2007 at 12:10pm

Dear Diary,

I don't know how moms with two or more boys do it. The little balls of testosterone are like Tasmanian devils sometimes. Multiple-boy moms have to deal with it daily. I only have to deal with it when I have Chip and Charlie with me. Yesterday, I took the boys and the girl to my new rental house. I haven't moved a thing in yet, so the place is completely empty. I thought it would be fun for them to run around in an empty house for awhile. I was right! Fun for them, not fun for me. The boys decided to wrestle in all the rooms of the house. After 5 minutes, Charlie whipped off his shirt. Then, I see Chip take his shirt off, then his shorts, so he down to his underpants. He then hiked them up to his waist and chased Evan around until she cried. That was the point where Ev and I hid in the closet and just hugged each other in terror. Boys.



Ugh!

I have two boys, and two girls. Laura, there is a secret word that I can share with you, that will help in times like these. You may have heard it before! The word is: STOP. Don't hide in the closet with your three year old. Tell the boys to stop. I know, I know, it's not a word you like. I mean, you had to be dragged away and locked up before you'd pay attention to the word, but they are young, and impressionable, and the impression you want to make on them right now is that you are someone to be respected and listened to. So, next time, try it. Say Stop. If they don't, repeat it and let them know that if they don't stop, then there will be consequences. If they STILL don't stop, there's another parenting secret called Time Out, it's sort of like rehab for kids! You may even be able to get them a shirt!

[11ListenerNot]

Now where in the world is Jeff again today??? Is he stuck in the midwest again this week? Doesn't he ever learn?
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According to FH blob he's ill and was hospitalized on Saturday. Hey, FH the word you are thinking of is diverticulitis. All you have to do is google it and there it is!

Dear God, we had to suffer through Jerry's jokes dyslexic, I think Randy was the only one laughing as usual.

Now FH is taking calls about his "dilemma" regarding living in two separate home when you are married. His last blob I quote:
Michelle and I have FOUND a home. What the h**l!

[OneKidOneDogMom]

If they STILL don't stop, there's another parenting secret called Time Out, it's sort of like rehab for kids! You may even be able to get them a shirt!

(Running to CafePress to see if there's already a t-shirt available with this quote on it....)

Great post, Layla!

[11ListenerNot]

Now they're doing a repeat of jokes dyslexic from earlier. They can't even do a full 4 hour show!!

[Layla]

(Running to CafePress to see if there's already a t-shirt available with this quote on it....)

Great post, Layla!
If there isn't, we are SO making it! We can split the profits!

[SDGirl87]

If there isn't, we are SO making it! We can split the profits!

WAIT!! What about me?????????? I want in!! I'm one of "us" too!!! I'm the admin brains, remember?? *sniff*

[Smitty]

Here's my question. When LBM was using narcotics, how did she get them? Even if she were doctor shopping and had multiple prescriptions, it still sounds like she was using stuff that a pharmacy doesn't sell. If she brought the kids along, there would be too high of a risk that Charlie would make comments that others would question. This is an area that I know nothing about, but on Intervention the users are making daily trips to their dealers and spending incredible amounts of money. Maybe I have answered my own question above, but it still seems like something is missing...

DC#44

We have all concluded her supplier was none other than her best friend and hair stylist Cree. We have not heard her name mentioned since she came back from rehab.

[Carol]

We have all concluded her supplier was none other than her best friend and hair stylist Cree. We have not heard her name mentioned since she came back from rehab.

Or, Cree was just a good friend to get drunk/high with. So she had to cut her out of her life....

[listener13]

I was listening towards the end of the show (the radio is on, it's like "white noise" to me because I work in a busy office). Anyway, Tubby-boy was talking about how he and Michelle are talking about having separate houses after they're married. Someone called in (was it one of you guys?) and asked him if Michelle liked him talking about all of their personal stuff on the air - was he thinking about Michelle's feelings, etc. Then, they switched to some other lame topic - never heard Tubby shut up so fast before - classic!

This marriage is going to be ended before it's even begun.

[SDGirl87]

Why not put Michelle in the studio over the garage. That way they're close enough for marital relations (EWWWWW...sorry) and yet have their own private space. When Sir Tubsalot starts to snore, open the garage door a bit, start the cars and let them run....drown out the noise (PLEASE open the door a bit first though. I don't want anyone dead).




I was listening towards the end of the show (the radio is on, it's like "white noise" to me because I work in a busy office). Anyway, Tubby-boy was talking about how he and Michelle are talking about having separate houses after they're married. Someone called in (was it one of you guys?) and asked him if Michelle liked him talking about all of their personal stuff on the air - was he thinking about Michelle's feelings, etc. Then, they switched to some other lame topic - never heard Tubby shut up so fast before - classic!

This marriage is going to be ended before it's even begun.

[SDchick]

We have all concluded her supplier was none other than her best friend and hair stylist Cree. We have not heard her name mentioned since she came back from rehab.
Yes! And if you all recall, Cree introduced Randy to Debbie. They always used to give her the credit for that match, and I've wondered if they'll have her at their wedding or if they'll snub her because of what she "did" to Laura.

Just checking in for the day! LOVED the tshirt idea! I'll help with sales!

[iamsheens]

hi everyone,
I'm baaaack...it looks as if I didn't miss too much while I was away...
My whole thought on this living in seperate houses while married is this....if you want to live in two different houses you aren't that in love...if your getting married I'd think you'd want to be with that person, espcially in the same house...

although this isn't shocking mooch and tommy are having this issue...

[Wabbitsd]

Remember, in the world of "big deals," matches are made for convenience and mutual benefit/satisfaction. Real love may have nothing to do with it, thank you very much, Tina Turner.

[SDGirl87]

Hey Sheens! How are you feeling??