San Diego - 94.1 FM J&J Morning Show Drama Club Thread

[Layla]

Oh, Jake, you're scaring me......
I may need some of your fudge to deal with this!

[SDGirl87]

Huh?

[SDGirl87]

I may need some of your fudge to deal with this!


I have a TON of it!! Come on over!

[Layla]

I have a TON of it!! Come on over!
We tore through our two pounds! (Is it bad that I was eating it right out of the tin with a spoon after midnight? shhh!)

[insightbyjake]

Okay...this is TOO weird!!!

I just got this scary PM!!!


HELP!!!



Originally Posted by SoCal Attorney
"I am an attorney in El Cajon and I represent InsightbyJake. I have been reading what you posted on the Gotapex forums, including personal information about Jake his child. I am prepared to file an invasion of privacy lawsuit against you on behalf of Mr. Jake, but you can avoid litigation if the following conditions are met:

(1) My clients want to know your identity without having to subpoena the information from Gotapex; (2) My clients want a public apology posted on this website; (3) My clients want removal of all of your postings with their personal that I will outline below and removal of Jake's street name for your profile; and (4) My clients want no further postings online by you about Jake or his child.

If you comply with the conditions above, Insight is prepared to give you a full release of any monetary claims he and his children might have against you. We are not asking for money, just for you to respect their privacy by not posting their personal information. You can reach me at (FUL) LOF-**** to discuss this matter further."

[SDGirl87]

We tore through our two pounds! (Is it bad that I was eating it right out of the tin with a spoon after midnight? shhh!)
:stupid:

[Layla]

Jake may be ill again, it IS when he gives us his best stuff!
Okay...this is TOO weird!!!

I just got this scary PM!!!


HELP!!!



Originally Posted by SoCal Attorney
"I am an attorney in El Cajon and I represent InsightbyJake. I have been reading what you posted on the Gotapex forums, including personal information about Jake his child. I am prepared to file an invasion of privacy lawsuit against you on behalf of Mr. Jake, but you can avoid litigation if the following conditions are met:

(1) My clients want to know your identity without having to subpoena the information from Gotapex; (2) My clients want a public apology posted on this website; (3) My clients want removal of all of your postings with their personal that I will outline below and removal of Jake's street name for your profile; and (4) My clients want no further postings online by you about Jake or his child.

If you comply with the conditions above, Insight is prepared to give you a full release of any monetary claims he and his children might have against you. We are not asking for money, just for you to respect their privacy by not posting their personal information. You can reach me at (FUL) LOF-**** to discuss this matter further."

[SDGirl87]

Okay...this is TOO weird!!!

I just got this scary PM!!!


HELP!!!



Originally Posted by SoCal Attorney
"I am an attorney in El Cajon and I represent InsightbyJake. I have been reading what you posted on the Gotapex forums, including personal information about Jake his child. I am prepared to file an invasion of privacy lawsuit against you on behalf of Mr. Jake, but you can avoid litigation if the following conditions are met:

(1) My clients want to know your identity without having to subpoena the information from Gotapex; (2) My clients want a public apology posted on this website; (3) My clients want removal of all of your postings with their personal that I will outline below and removal of Jake's street name for your profile; and (4) My clients want no further postings online by you about Jake or his child.

If you comply with the conditions above, Insight is prepared to give you a full release of any monetary claims he and his children might have against you. We are not asking for money, just for you to respect their privacy by not posting their personal information. You can reach me at (FUL) LOF-**** to discuss this matter further."


CJ strikes again! (Carl Junior - love the name, by the way!)

[PRINTER]

"For one year I've been posting as "Jake" but now reveal...I am Little Tommy Sablan!!!!"

You didn't fool me for a second, Jake!! If FH was as quick and witty as you we wouldn't have this forum because THE SHOWGRAM WOULD BE FUNNY!!!

[garybear]

[QUOTE=garybear][I]

I've often wondered about the 12-step walk. It's like a secret club that only a few can join.

I'm not complaining -- in fact, I support the 12-step program by focusing on the first step: Drinking alot.

I also support Un-wed mothers.

I try to help them get started.

(When I was in college I attending Pro-choice rallies cause I figured...those chicks put out...)

HA! HA! HA! You FOOLS!!!!

For one year I've been posting as "Jake" but now reveal...I am Little Tommy Sablan!!!!

Facial!!!


I've nailed your pathetic thread!!!

And you thought I was "hiding" because I wasn't posting my blogs....LOSERS!!!

I almost fell for it and then realized that with the proper grammar and correct spelling in your posts, there is no way it could be FH. He wouldn't know a dictionary if it bit him in the butt.

Thanks for the laugh though!

[SDGirl87]

"For one year I've been posting as "Jake" but now reveal...I am Little Tommy Sablan!!!!"

You didn't fool me for a second, Jake!! If FH was as quick and witty as you we wouldn't have this forum because THE SHOWGRAM WOULD BE FUNNY!!!

*pushing chair back and standing up to applaud* :agree:

:lmfao: :bow:

[garybear]

Okay...this is TOO weird!!!

I just got this scary PM!!!


HELP!!!



Originally Posted by SoCal Attorney
"I am an attorney in El Cajon and I represent InsightbyJake. I have been reading what you posted on the Gotapex forums, including personal information about Jake his child. I am prepared to file an invasion of privacy lawsuit against you on behalf of Mr. Jake, but you can avoid litigation if the following conditions are met:

(1) My clients want to know your identity without having to subpoena the information from Gotapex; (2) My clients want a public apology posted on this website; (3) My clients want removal of all of your postings with their personal that I will outline below and removal of Jake's street name for your profile; and (4) My clients want no further postings online by you about Jake or his child.

If you comply with the conditions above, Insight is prepared to give you a full release of any monetary claims he and his children might have against you. We are not asking for money, just for you to respect their privacy by not posting their personal information. You can reach me at (FUL) LOF-**** to discuss this matter further."

Hey, I want to play. Can't we sue FH for posting irrelevant, repetitive, and false statements? "I'm a good man, in love, on a diet etc..." Isn't there some law about presenting false information? If not, maybe we can lobby for it so it would be in effect on Jan 1, 2009.

[listener13]

Was he German? :)

nein, gerade tragisch unwissend

[Layla]

Hey, I want to play. Can't we sue FH for posting irrelevant, repetitive, and false statements? "I'm a good man, in love, on a diet etc..." Isn't there some law about presenting false information? If not, maybe we can lobby for it so it would be in effect on Jan 1, 2009.
I think we may actually have a Class Action Lawsuit for False Advertising!

[insightbyjake]

nein, gerade tragisch unwissend


I'm lost. My German sucks...but did you mean, "nein, gerald tragische unwissend"?

My Latin is better, and my French is a weak as my German...write in English and I shall continue to appear erudite.

[Wabbitsd]

oh, heck he said, "Nine Geralds tragically know him to be a wussy."

[Wabbitsd]

and Amused has the biggest (pardon the pun) lawsuit of all concerning size...if I remember correctly, that is.

[SDGirl87]

Latin phrase of the week. This is dedicated to Tubsy.

Acia virum probant: Deeds prove the man.

[insightbyjake]

Hey, I want to play. Can't we sue FH for posting irrelevant, repetitive, and false statements? "I'm a good man, in love, on a diet etc..." Isn't there some law about presenting false information? If not, maybe we can lobby for it so it would be in effect on Jan 1, 2009.

One can't sue for proven evidence.

The notion that FH is posting "irrelevant, repetitive, and false statements," is accepted as part of a "show" --

which is defined as: "the act of publicly exhibiting or entertaining; a remarkable show of skill"

Oh, wait.........hire an attorney..

[listener13]

One can't sue for proven evidence.

The notion that FH is posting "irrelevant, repetitive, and false statements," is accepted as part of a "show" --

which is defined as: "the act of publicly exhibiting or entertaining; a remarkable show of skill"

Oh, wait.........hire an attorney..

Carl should be back from Disneyland about now......

[pax]

Once again, you guys are thoroughly amusing me.

[insightbyjake]

Latin phrase of the week. This is dedicated to Tubsy.

Acia virum probant: Deeds prove the man.

As we speak of the almighty Showgram, we must recall the latin phrase, "de gustibus non est disputandum."

(And all this time, I thought Catholic school was an utter waste of time.)


P.S. Translation for Protestants, Jews, Muslims, and others: "In matters of taste, there is no argument."
J & J suck -- there is no argument.

[OneKidOneDogMom]

All these latin quotes are making me feel guilty - like I should go to Confession and light a candle....

And thanks for the translations - saves me a google trip!

[insightbyjake]

All these latin quotes are making me feel guilty - like I should go to Confession and light a candle....

And thanks for the translations - saves me a google trip!

No problem.

In fact, in FH's Asian blog we find: " 汉堡包 "

Which, I believe, requests a hamburger.

[SDGirl87]

Ok...it's officially January.

So...let's get to planning our January get together. I suggest something kid friendly and "safe" like bowling or a picnic at Balboa Park or a bon fire at the beach one evening.

What weekend in January is good for you? I am having surgery on January 18, so the long weekend is out for me (sadly). Of course, that doesn't mean that y'all can't do it without me! If that's the best weekend for everyone, then by all means, let's plan it (I'll even help plan).

I'll go about setting up a paypal account for ... oh wait, that was LAST YEAR's disaster...

In all seriousness, the few of us who have met have started to develop a genuine friendship (rut row, I sound like FH now)and we'd love to have you join us! Maybe we could even meet at Tubsy's bench...lol

All of you shy people (and you know who you are, yes YOU, the few who PM'ed me last time around and said that maybe you'd join us for January), come on out of hiding. We don't bite. We're downright friendly. We don't care what you look like, how old you are, how much $$ you make, what you weigh, whether or not you have hair and/or teeth. We just want to get to know our IF's. Don't be shy. You won't regret it!

[SDGirl87]

No problem.

In fact, in FH's Asian blog we find: " 汉堡包 "

Which, I believe, requests a hamburger.


Looks like a UPC code to me. Scan it at the grocery store and presto... it pops up $1.49

[RowdyOne]

Suppose FH stopped blogging due to the big deal attorney Carl's advice....? As in shut the F*** up?

[Layla]

I say, let's do it, last weekend of the month :)
Ok...it's officially January.

So...let's get to planning our January get together. I suggest something kid friendly and "safe" like bowling or a picnic at Balboa Park or a bon fire at the beach one evening.

What weekend in January is good for you? I am having surgery on January 18, so the long weekend is out for me (sadly). Of course, that doesn't mean that y'all can't do it without me! If that's the best weekend for everyone, then by all means, let's plan it (I'll even help plan).

I'll go about setting up a paypal account for ... oh wait, that was LAST YEAR's disaster...

In all seriousness, the few of us who have met have started to develop a genuine friendship (rut row, I sound like FH now)and we'd love to have you join us! Maybe we could even meet at Tubsy's bench...lol

All of you shy people (and you know who you are, yes YOU, the few who PM'ed me last time around and said that maybe you'd join us for January), come on out of hiding. We don't bite. We're downright friendly. We don't care what you look like, how old you are, how much $$ you make, what you weigh, whether or not you have hair and/or teeth. We just want to get to know our IF's. Don't be shy. You won't regret it!

[OneKidOneDogMom]

.....I suggest something kid friendly and "safe" like bowling or a picnic at Balboa Park or a bon fire at the beach one evening.

All of you shy people (and you know who you are, yes YOU, the few who PM'ed me last time around and said that maybe you'd join us for January), come on out of hiding. We don't bite. We're downright friendly. We don't care what you look like, how old you are, how much $$ you make, what you weigh, whether or not you have hair and/or teeth. We just want to get to know our IF's. Don't be shy. You won't regret it!

Count me and the Squirt in...we're pretty available for anything!

Hey - I'll even bring fudge if that will entice some of our more shy and invisible friends to show up! And I bet our resident baker could be talked into sending another package of her famous "almost illegal" brownies :)

[OneKidOneDogMom]

I say, let's do it, last weekend of the month :)

Not a football-head, but when's the Super Bowl?

[Layla]

Count me and the Squirt in...we're pretty available for anything!

Hey - I'll even bring fudge if that will entice some of our more shy and invisible friends to show up! And I bet our resident baker could be talked into sending another package of her famous "almost illegal" brownies :)
In that case, I'll give you guys baking time and 11th mailing time, and then we do it. Those dang brownies can make me do anything I think :)

[SDGirl87]

Not a football-head, but when's the Super Bowl?

Sunday, February 3. In Arizona. The 2 teams are yet to be named.

[Layla]

Not a football-head, but when's the Super Bowl?no clue! I haven't watched the S-Bowl in about five years!

[SDGirl87]

Oh my gosh...I just came up with a brilliant brownie for 11th to make!

Include some of OKODM's fudge in each brownie....MERCY ME.....................

[OneKidOneDogMom]

Sunday, February 3. In Arizona. The 2 teams are yet to be named.

Ah, but I bet I know someone (who shall remain nameless) that hopes that one of those teams is the Chargers, huh?

[Wabbitsd]

"...i find myself strangely attracted to the name 'Carl.' Thought I don't personally patronize fast food places, the Carl's Junior Restaurant hauntingly calls to me as I drive by....I keep wondering, "will Carl post with us?" or sometimes, "I wonder what Carl is buying on the internet with his PAYPAL account?" and then, I oddly wonder to myself, "What chorus of '99 bottles of beer on the wall' is he singing with his kids in the supervan or the Excursion as he blathers away gallons of gas polluting the atmopshere driving home from Didneyland with the wife and his daughter and hopefully a friend of hers, cause gawd doggone, it sure would be boring to just pal it up with Ma and Pa there the whole three days!"

Will Carl cross the line (ok, maybe just to try to collect a couple of new clients....that would look good to the in laws, wouldn't it?) and come and post, and explain his total lack of true ethical conduct? We can only wait and see, my invisible friends...wait and see.

do we have any deep sea fishermen in the crowd? Am I using the correct term in calling Carl my invisible "chum?"

[insightbyjake]

In that case, I'll give you guys baking time and 11th mailing time, and then we do it. Those dang brownies can make me do anything I think :)

Brownies???? As in, when I was in college at UCLA and needed brownies to relax???

I'm down with brownies!!! (Message sent does nor refer to young girls in Girl Scout program lest any "haters" attempt to identify "jake" as a child-molester)

[Wabbitsd]

oh, please, just not bowling. My idea of bowling is like watching the scene in Uncle Buck....and not golf. I really don't care much for golf.

[Layla]

What about just an afternoon at the park?
oh, please, just not bowling. My idea of bowling is like watching the scene in Uncle Buck....and not golf. I really don't care much for golf.

[SDGirl87]

ok...no bowling! (Other than Superbowling...but I digress)

So, loosely, we're looking at the last weekend in January, which by my calculations, should be NFL free. Late January isn't the best weather in SD so we may have to think of a possible indoor place. My house is fine but it's not very big and I have a dog. A friendly dog, but a dog none the less, and some may be allergic or afraid of canines :)

I'm thinking inexpensive to free as we've all just come out of the holiday season (ugh). Suggestions? (Tubsy's bench? Lil Pepper Deli? Tubsy's yard to play on the skateboard ramp?)

[Layla]

Brownies???? As in, when I was in college at UCLA and needed brownies to relax???

I'm down with brownies!!! (Message sent does nor refer to young girls in Girl Scout program lest any "haters" attempt to identify "jake" as a child-molester)
I'm not sure I'm sharing

[11th Reader]

Give me 2 postal days notice and I'll ship you all some brownies.

Might I suggest the 26th of January? I'll pretend I'm there with you guys celebrating my golden birthday! :)

[insightbyjake]

....do we have any deep sea fishermen in the crowd? Am I using the correct term in calling Carl my invisible "chum?"

Interesting....Is he your "pal, a "species of anadromous fish in the salmon family," or,

"a mixture of fish parts and blood used to attract fish."

In 2 of 3 cases,...I'm not sure I want to be your "chum."

[zodiac]

I'd love to join in the fun! Towards the end of the month is good for me, I'm heading out of town with my wee boys tomorrow for a week in CO. Then we have to get back to school and routine. Hooray!

I'll be checking in while I'm away and hopefully we'll get some dirt/gossip on LBM and FH soon!
Has anyone else considered that FH may stop blobbing altogether?? Then what would we do?

[SDGirl87]

I will share my portion of the brownies with Jake :) I'm the compassionate one, remember?

[Layla]

I will share my portion of the brownies with Jake :) I'm the compassionate one, remember?
I may steal yours too. They're that good.

[SDGirl87]

YIKES! It's 9:30!! I gotta get to bed! Y'all have kept me up WAY too late...lol.

OKODM: thanks for the PM. I responded. You're a peach and so helpful! (and holy snarkeys bat man!)

[11th Reader]

I may steal yours too. They're that good.

Haha...Layla, here's the $50 for pimping the brownies out. :P

[SDGirl87]

Ok...

I say let's take a poll of where Tubsy has been. I don't think that they come back until next Monday, so we will probably have a few more days of blogless time to ponder it.

So...what are your "official" thoughts?

Mother? Kids? Moochie? Off following Van Halen around the country? Joined a monastery to reform from his wayward ways? Food binge that has him so amped on carbs and sugar that he has forgotten about us? Standing in line waiting for Superbowl tickets? Admiring his bench?

[Wabbitsd]

jake, #2 is the definition I was hoping for. I'm lookin to catch a big ol stupid bottom feeder. (not you....FH, silly!)

[SDGirl87]

...dream a little dream of me...

LOLOLOL. Thanks for the laugh :)

[SDGirl87]

Hey 11th, if you want to fly down for the weekend, (or Sheens and or TexasMommy) you can stay at my house and your Mom need never know!

[11th Reader]

Ok...

I say let's take a poll of where Tubsy has been. I don't think that they come back until next Monday, so we will probably have a few more days of blogless time to ponder it.

So...what are your "official" thoughts?

Mother? Kids? Moochie? Off following Van Halen around the country? Joined a monastery to reform from his wayward ways? Food binge that has him so amped on carbs and sugar that he has forgotten about us? Standing in line waiting for Superbowl tickets? Admiring his bench?

I think he's going to come back and say that he and Moochie got hitched over the break. That Rosa was so pleased, and the kids were so happy they threw him his wedding reception.

[Wabbitsd]

Dang, if only Amused were still around...she could probably tell us what event FH is trying to recreate with Moochie.

[SDGirl87]

ok ok...goodnight all. Try not to miss me.

Oh, our word for the day tomorrow will be NEW. You're welcome to start using it tonight, to get a good jump on it!

[OneKidOneDogMom]

Hey 11th, if you want to fly down for the weekend, (or Sheens and or TexasMommy) you can stay at my house and your Mom need never know!

Woohoo :woohoo:

Party at SDGirl87's house!!!!

[califbrat]

you are all in rare form tonight! I almost fell over with your rant Jake.. you almost got me! no drama here tonight hey?

[11th Reader]

Hey 11th, if you want to fly down for the weekend, (or Sheens and or TexasMommy) you can stay at my house and your Mom need never know!

Oh, how I would love that...but alas my law school loans are no longer in grace period, and all funds I have are being sent there. As a result, I do not have the money to fly (plus I need to save up money because I'm in a super expensive wedding that I've already had to drop $300+ on the bridesmaid dress alone...and I still need to pay for the wedding present, flights, etc.). I may consider packing myself in a fedex box, as Carol has suggested, though.

[insightbyjake]

oh, please, just not bowling. My idea of bowling is like watching the scene in Uncle Buck....and not golf. I really don't care much for golf.

Uncle Buck!!

Pretty much my favorite stupid movie until Napolean Dynamite.

Uncle Buck defending his niece who's accused of being a "dreamer" and a "sillyheart":

"I don't think I want to know a six-year-old who isn't a dreamer, or a sillyheart. And I sure don't want to know one who takes their student career seriously. I don't have a college degree. I don't even have a job. But I know a good kid when I see one. Because they're ALL good kids, until dried-out, brain-dead skags like you drag them down and convince them they're no good. You so much as scowl at my niece, or any other kid in this school, and I hear about it, and I'm coming looking for you!"

I love this quote!

[califbrat]

I say Tubby is hibernating in his mini mansion pouting because we are always talking about him and hurting his feelings...he's depressed & can't eat... NOT

POOR BABY

[insightbyjake]

Oh, how I would love that...but alas my law school loans are no longer in grace period, and all funds I have are being sent there. As a result, I do not have the money to fly (plus I need to save up money because I'm in a super expensive wedding that I've already had to drop $300+ on the bridesmaid dress alone...and I still need to pay for the wedding present, flights, etc.). I may consider packing myself in a fedex box, as Carol has suggested, though.

Weddings suck!!!!

We want to marry you......and yet, you make it SO difficult.

[SDReadhead]

Uncle Buck!!

Pretty much my favorite stupid movie until Napolean Dynamite.

Uncle Buck defending his niece who's accused of being a "dreamer" and a "sillyheart":

"I don't think I want to know a six-year-old who isn't a dreamer, or a sillyheart. And I sure don't want to know one who takes their student career seriously. I don't have a college degree. I don't even have a job. But I know a good kid when I see one. Because they're ALL good kids, until dried-out, brain-dead skags like you drag them down and convince them they're no good. You so much as scowl at my niece, or any other kid in this school, and I hear about it, and I'm coming looking for you!"

I love this quote!
Jake the Obscure! You love two of my top four movies!!! World's best pick up line for a guy to use: I see you're drinking 1%. Is that 'cause you think you're fat? 'Cause you're not. You could be drinking whole if you wanted to.

Hey DCIFs, you are all in fine form tonight! Off to bed now!

[insightbyjake]

ok ok...goodnight all. Try not to miss me.

Oh, our word for the day tomorrow will be NEW. You're welcome to start using it tonight, to get a good jump on it!

Here's something "New:"

I've been studying properties of "Chaos", complexity and transport: Theory and Applications

Some authors propose a new theory to explain the formation of spiral arms and of all types of outer rings in barred galaxies. They have extended and applied the technique used in celestial mechanics to compute transfer orbits. Thus, their theory is based on the chaotic orbital motion driven by the invariant manifolds associated to the periodic orbits around the hyperbolic equilibrium points.

In particular, spiral arms and outer rings are related to the presence of heteroclinic or homoclinic orbits. Thus, R1 rings are associated to the presence of heteroclinic orbits, while R1R2 rings are associated to the presence of homoclinic orbits. Spiral arms and R2 rings, however, appear when there exist neither heteroclinic nor homoclinic orbits.

They examine the parameter space of three realistic, yet simple, barred galaxy models and discuss the formation of the different morphologies according to the properties of the galaxy model. The different morphologies arise from differences in the dynamical parameters of the galaxy.

This is a NEW approach to astrophysics.

[insightbyjake]

Jake the Obscure! You love two of my top four movies!!! World's best pick up line for a guy to use: I see you're drinking 1%. Is that 'cause you think you're fat? 'Cause you're not. You could be drinking whole if you wanted to.

Hey DCIFs, you are all in fine form tonight! Off to bed now!

For Christmas I received a t-shirt that reads:

"Your Mom goes to College."

Pretty much my favorite gift of all-time!!

[SDReadhead]

For Christmas I received a t-shirt that reads:

"Your Mom goes to College."

Pretty much my favorite gift of all-time!!

Love it!! Last year my daughter made my son a t-shirt that reads "Your Mom teaches College." It made us laugh and when he wears it (and yes, he is goofy enough to wear it) people always correct him and tell him what it should say.

My favorite gift of all time was a delicious bass.

Ok, now I really am going to sign off. Favorite Twilight Zone of all time is started five minutes ago. Like my kids. I pull crazy all-nighters during Christmas Vacation!

[Jammie J.]

Here's something "New:"

I've been studying properties of "Chaos", complexity and transport: Theory and Applications

Some authors propose a new theory to explain the formation of spiral arms and of all types of outer rings in barred galaxies. They have extended and applied the technique used in celestial mechanics to compute transfer orbits. Thus, their theory is based on the chaotic orbital motion driven by the invariant manifolds associated to the periodic orbits around the hyperbolic equilibrium points.

In particular, spiral arms and outer rings are related to the presence of heteroclinic or homoclinic orbits. Thus, R1 rings are associated to the presence of heteroclinic orbits, while R1R2 rings are associated to the presence of homoclinic orbits. Spiral arms and R2 rings, however, appear when there exist neither heteroclinic nor homoclinic orbits.

They examine the parameter space of three realistic, yet simple, barred galaxy models and discuss the formation of the different morphologies according to the properties of the galaxy model. The different morphologies arise from differences in the dynamical parameters of the galaxy.

This is a NEW approach to astrophysics.

I had no idea that orbs had a hetero or homo preference. Does FH & LBM know this?


Disclaimer: HA HA! JUST KIDDING! And if I weren't just kidding, I should also say, "Not that there's anything wrong with that..." But I am just kidding and I know you wrote "orbit", not "orb". But your whole NEW theory made my head spin and lawdy, look what happens when my head spins.

[PRINTER]

Here's something "New:"

I've been studying properties of "Chaos", complexity and transport: Theory and Applications

Some authors propose a new theory to explain the formation of spiral arms and of all types of outer rings in barred galaxies. They have extended and applied the technique used in celestial mechanics to compute transfer orbits. Thus, their theory is based on the chaotic orbital motion driven by the invariant manifolds associated to the periodic orbits around the hyperbolic equilibrium points.

In particular, spiral arms and outer rings are related to the presence of heteroclinic or homoclinic orbits. Thus, R1 rings are associated to the presence of heteroclinic orbits, while R1R2 rings are associated to the presence of homoclinic orbits. Spiral arms and R2 rings, however, appear when there exist neither heteroclinic nor homoclinic orbits.

They examine the parameter space of three realistic, yet simple, barred galaxy models and discuss the formation of the different morphologies according to the properties of the galaxy model. The different morphologies arise from differences in the dynamical parameters of the galaxy.

This is a NEW approach to astrophysics.

THIS is why I sleep so well at night...knowing that Jake is out there finding out such very relevent and important information!
Ahhhhhhh! Thank you, Jake. As long as you're here all's right with the world!!

[Wabbitsd]

"I don't think I want to know a six-year-old who isn't a dreamer, or a sillyheart. And I sure don't want to know one who takes their student career seriously. I don't have a college degree. I don't even have a job. But I know a good kid when I see one. Because they're ALL good kids, until dried-out, brain-dead skags like you drag them down and convince them they're no good. You so much as scowl at my niece, or any other kid in this school, and I hear about it, and I'm coming looking for you!"

Love that ^ and also love how he talks to that "Bugg" character. Come to think of it, Bugg kinda reminds me of FH in many ways.

[Trixie]

The Slowgram is still running best of this morning. In fact, even the news breaks by LaDonna Harvey are from Dec 31. The brief moment I tuned in this morning, LaDonna was informing the world of listeners about the free bus service on New Year's Eve. Thanks.

I also watched parts of The Biggest Loser last night, just to see if Tubbs-A-Lot would be featured. This season, they have pairs of Losers (mother/son, father/daughter, best friends, etc). I believe that FH is so big, he wouldn't need to include anyone other than himself. He has a pair of buns that are big enough for two. He has a pair of ears that Dumbo is jealous of. I could go on.

[SDReadhead]

Hi DC IFs, I have a question. Did J/J ever produce a good show, or were those of us who used to like them back in the day just as sucked in by them as their NEW breed of soccer moms is sucked in today?

I think they (and I mean Jeff and Jer -- not the entire crew because Laura has always bugged me) used to be good -- if good is defined as witty, sincerely caring about their community, and fresh. However, when I think about the NEW J/J, I can't imagine that people change that much and I suppose that it would be hard, in just a few years, to become so full of yourself and so cynical about listeners. I don't recall things from years past such as 10-minute lead-ins to really stupid, boring announcements and I also don't remember Jeff interrupting everyone or Jerry seeming so blatant about his disregard for the other members of the show and the listeners. But perhaps I was listening through rose-colored-ears (oh, where is wonk when you need an image?)

So, what say ye?

[iamsheens]

Well thank you for the invite sdgirl...of course I'd love to come home but at this point unless Im in Az by the end of the month, I wont be home till March (brother is having a baby shower and then again in April (brother will be a dad!)) Otherwise if I werent moving and in the middle of chaos in my life, I'd be visiting...my life is pretty uncertain right now as far as when Im moving and stuff, it could be this month (hopefully!)...

I'll keep you posted and we can all get together when I make the journey to san diego next....and Carol can send QA a FED EX box and we can all live happily ever after.

haha

[Layla]

Love it!! Last year my daughter made my son a t-shirt that reads "Your Mom teaches College." It made us laugh and when he wears it (and yes, he is goofy enough to wear it) people always correct him and tell him what it should say.

My favorite gift of all time was a delicious bass.

Ok, now I really am going to sign off. Favorite Twilight Zone of all time is started five minutes ago. Like my kids. I pull crazy all-nighters during Christmas Vacation!

Can I just vent? I LOVE Twilight Zone! When I was a little one, I remember watching the marathons with my family. I try to watch it every year, even if it means hiding away in my bedroom alone. My hubby hates it (which drives me insane). So, this year, I'm totally missing it, because we still haven't got the second TV set up since we moved, so when it comes to the kids and us battling over TV, they win :) Well...last night, I start to make dinner and I realize hubby is asleep on the couch and all of the kids are off playing, so I quickly switch to the Sci-Fi channel, my plan is to see when Talking Tina comes on, because that is THE ONE I have to see every year...and so, I hit the enter button on the remote, and up pops sci-fi, and TALKING TINA with CREDITS ROLLING!!!! :bawl: I'm not going to be over this until next year.

[garybear]

Hi DC IFs, I have a question. Did J/J ever produce a good show, or were those of us who used to like them back in the day just as sucked in by them as their NEW breed of soccer moms is sucked in today?

I think they (and I mean Jeff and Jer -- not the entire crew because Laura has always bugged me) used to be good -- if good is defined as witty, sincerely caring about their community, and fresh. However, when I think about the NEW J/J, I can't imagine that people change that much and I suppose that it would be hard, in just a few years, to become so full of yourself and so cynical about listeners. I don't recall things from years past such as 10-minute lead-ins to really stupid, boring announcements and I also don't remember Jeff interrupting everyone or Jerry seeming so blatant about his disregard for the other members of the show and the listeners. But perhaps I was listening through rose-colored-ears (oh, where is wonk when you need an image?)

So, what say ye?

My .02 cents is that they used to actually be all of the good things you said above. I saw a major difference when they switched from 100.7. Quite a bit of publicity came their way and that in and of itself can cause one to get a big head and the "celebrity complex".
Granted I could have been naive and just down right stupid but this is what I recall. Now I compare them to Mark and Brian on 95.5 KLOS in Los Angeles and J&J don't even come close. Most people can get Mark and Brian on their radios in the North County all the way down to Mission Valley and trust me it is well worth any static you may get here and there.

[RowdyOne]

Hi DC IFs, I have a question. Did J/J ever produce a good show, or were those of us who used to like them back in the day just as sucked in by them as their NEW breed of soccer moms is sucked in today?

Good question, Readhead; very insightful (apologies to jake). When I listened to them, say 1999-2003 or so, it seemed fresh at first because I hadn't heard them before -- it took a few weeks to differentiate the J&J&FH&Randy voices, and all the stories were new to me. I was able to listen for only about an hour a day, though. Toward the end I began to notice and tune out Jer's rants (red meat, boobs, politics, etc.), the dragging out and repetition of segments, and Laura's increasing shallowness. Eventually I'd notice everything we talk about now, so didn't listen any longer.
:thumbdown

[ElizabethAZ]

Can I just vent? I LOVE Twilight Zone! When I was a little one, I remember watching the marathons with my family. I try to watch it every year, even if it means hiding away in my bedroom alone. My hubby hates it (which drives me insane). So, this year, I'm totally missing it, because we still haven't got the second TV set up since we moved, so when it comes to the kids and us battling over TV, they win :) Well...last night, I start to make dinner and I realize hubby is asleep on the couch and all of the kids are off playing, so I quickly switch to the Sci-Fi channel, my plan is to see when Talking Tina comes on, because that is THE ONE I have to see every year...and so, I hit the enter button on the remote, and up pops sci-fi, and TALKING TINA with CREDITS ROLLING!!!! :bawl: I'm not going to be over this until next year.

Hey Layla, the official name of that episode is "The Living Doll," and Netflix has it on "Twilight Zone Volume 11."

[Layla]

Hey Layla, the official name of that episode is "The Living Doll," and Netflix has it on "Twilight Zone Volume 11."
Oooh...I think I need to buy it though...I love that one, and the one where the girl goes through the wall...and the one where the kids go through the pool to the other dimension...and, well, so many! i don't know any of their official names...oh, To Serve Mankind, GREAT one.

Hey, maybe WE are all stuck in The Twilight Zone, that would explain J&J's success!

[califbrat]

Oooh...I think I need to buy it though...I love that one, and the one where the girl goes through the wall...and the one where the kids go through the pool to the other dimension...and, well, so many! i don't know any of their official names...oh, To Serve Mankind, GREAT one.

Hey, maybe WE are all stuck in The Twilight Zone, that would explain J&J's success!


Layla

Hey .. you are copying all of my favorites too!! No matter how many times we have seen them we want more! How about when Burgess Merdith is in the bank vault, nuclear destruction happens and then he breaks his glasses and he can't see/read!

The Outer Limits! Now that was wacky

[Layla]

Layla

Hey .. you are copying all of my favorites too!! No matter how many times we have seen them we want more! How about when Burgess Merdith is in the bank vault, nuclear destruction happens and then he breaks his glasses and he can't see/read!

The Outer Limits! Now that was wacky
Oh, that is a GREAT ONE. All he wants to do is read! He's so happy because he can JUST READ, and then, crush, glasses, gone! AAAHHH!

I never got into the Outer Limits, old version or new (althoug, everytime I caught a "new" one it was ALWAYS the Alyssa Milano one)

[Carol]

and Carol can send QA a FED EX box and we can all live happily ever after.

haha

Do you think QA is a Medium box or a Large box?!? Also, slight glitch with the fedex site, it has not been showing some packages on the tracking page.....so I wont be able to track her as she moves to the meeting site. She could be stuck at SFO for FOREVER and we would never know.

[SDGirl87]

J/J used to be really good. VERY funny, very caring and very "into" the community. I was a part of the first Human American Flag at the Stadium. I was there that morning...it was all so emotional and real. My Dad was in Iraq and I have to tell you...it was just so great to be there with so many other people who understood. J/J were totally accessible and genuinely nice then.

I don't know when it changed, as I moved out of state for 8 years, but I know that now, they just aren't. They sound tired (not they themselves, but the ideas and show).

[BigAl]

Yep, J&J were pretty good a few years back when they seemed to "Care" about SD and their listeners.
I wonder where the turning point was? Some have said change stations, others said when Jef had midlife crisis.....

[RowdyOne]

Now I compare them to Mark and Brian on 95.5 KLOS in Los Angeles and J&J don't even come close. Most people can get Mark and Brian on their radios in the North County all the way down to Mission Valley and trust me it is well worth any static you may get here and there. Garybear, I've been listening to 95.5 since you posted. Very easy to listen to, good interviews and discussions, and now great classic rock. Thanks for the tip!

[garybear]

Garybear, I've been listening to 95.5 since you posted. Very easy to listen to, good interviews and discussions, and now great classic rock. Thanks for the tip!

RowdyOne: You are welcome! They are on vacation this week. Now before anyone gets too excited, Mark and Brian usually take the 2weeks around Christmas and the major holidays like the rest of us working fools but in the 20 years they have been on the air, they have never had the schedule of two weeks on, 3 weeks off like J&J. Enjoy!

[RowdyOne]

Mark & Brian must have aired "best of" this morning because I swear I heard them say their names... sounded live to me, and nothing like the "best of" J&J.

So how much longer will J&J as we know it be on the air here? Isn't JerK going to retire soon?

[garybear]

Mark & Brian must have aired "best of" this morning because I swear I heard them say their names... sounded live to me, and nothing like the "best of" J&J.

So how much longer will J&J as we know it be on the air here? Isn't JerK going to retire soon?

Yep, they are airing best of and even that sounds better than the live J&J. Not sure how much longer J&J will be on the air. At least through their big anniversary year. They would not be able to miss all of the attention spread their way because of it!

[DreamerGal]

Happy New Year everybody! Just got back from a week and a half vacation. Can't say I'm thrilled to be back in the grind, but life does have to get lived, don't it?

I hope all had a good time during the holidays. Can you buh-lieve it's 2008?~?!??!

[DreamerGal]

Oh, how I wish Moochie would come back! She was fun! Do you think if we sent an e-mail to the FatHead and asked real nice and sweet-like, he might let her come out to play again?

[garybear]

Oh, how I wish Moochie would come back! She was fun! Do you think if we sent an e-mail to the FatHead and asked real nice and sweet-like, he might let her come out to play again?

My guess would be that he would have to consult with the "orbs" again before allowing her to come out and play.

[Transplant]

Oh, how I wish Moochie would come back! She was fun! Do you think if we sent an e-mail to the FatHead and asked real nice and sweet-like, he might let her come out to play again?

hate to be aloof here..but Moochie isn't coming out to play for a while....!

[SDGirl87]

Well if you don't want to be an aloof, would you prefer to be afoot? akin?

[Gidget12345]

Not sure how much longer J&J will be on the air. At least through their big anniversary year. They would not be able to miss all of the attention spread their way because of it!

They'll be back on Monday...aren't you excited!? lol

They'll stay as is at least through the end of '08 because it's their 20th Anniversary in SD and they'll milk that for all it's worth. Plus Jer's contract isn't up till '09 so you probably won't see any changes until then.

DC #180

[OneKidOneDogMom]

hate to be aloof here..but Moochie isn't coming out to play for a while....!

Define "a while" - a day, a week, a month, a year....????

Never?????

Just kidding...I'm sure that XXXL's Little Mootshell is busy keeping him in vertically striped shirts and walking shoes! Maybe we've seen the end of the every-day-navy-shirt-and-shorts combo (one can only hope)

[listener13]

I just checked the member list, and Moochie hasn't graced us with a visit until the last time she posted. Our little ambulance chaser last checked in on New Year's Eve - he still must be pooped from Disneyland.

A friend of mine just sent me this link - it's for all of you dog lovers (and there are a lot of you on this forum - and that's one of the reasons why I love you guys more than family).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sUL0KCIc48&feature=related

[PRINTER]

ok...here's what I think. (UNLESS there was a crisis with Rosa or something like that):
FH always tries to show everybody how much he is changing so his first post of the new year will be how much MootShell has changed him because he used to be addicted to work and the blahg but since he found God(ess) he doesn't need work...he's happy to just be with MootShell and his children. He'll go on and on about how he's changed his priorities and how he's a much better person. The thing about addictions is that you HAVE to work a program or work with a professional to really change yourself. It's pretty evident he doesn't get that from his major weight loss in one month only to have the weight come back in one month. Nothing changes until you do. Even if he has put down his Blackberry and he's not working through his vacation, he's either "itching" to, or obsessively congratulating himself on NOT doing the obsessive behavior. He's not really looking at WHY he's so addicted to work (narcissistic personality) or why he has to congratulate himself and have his minions call in, email and blahg THEIR congratulations. When you have an addiction, you know you're getting better when you are ALL ALONE and you are crying and you say to yourself, "I don't need (fill in addiction) anymore. I can live this life on life's terms, not my terms. I can accept." I can't see FH doing this. When they return J&J will go on and on about how wonderful FH is and aren't they all just so supportive of each other! (Yet, they hadn't talked to LBM about her troubles until they went to the sales meeting in L.A. just a couple of weeks ago!...some supportive friends!) It's all a smoke screen!

[insightbyjake]

Yep, J&J were pretty good a few years back when they seemed to "Care" about SD and their listeners.
I wonder where the turning point was? Some have said change stations, others said when Jef had midlife crisis.....

Midlife crisis #1 or #2?

I have my own theory on what killed their talent: Reality Television.

It started with Survivor and grew into epic proportions with American Idol (sorry -- I hate that show).

About 6 or 7 years ago, they started to come on the air and spend hours talking about these shows. The problem was, if you're a fan of the shows and watched the program, you'd have to sit and listen to them recap what you already saw.

If you were not a fan of these shows (me), you'd get sick of hearing people talk about t.v. shows you don't watch.

It is at its worst with Idol -- because not only do they talk about the show, they play clips of the performances that people already watched or didn't want to watch. Then they make predictions about the show for that night, and the next morning do the same bit again!

It got to the point where 3 out of every 5 days were spent discussing the hours they waste watching television.

Now, I'm not a communications expert, but I'm gonna guess that playing television clips on live radio does not perfect the medium.

Add to that the fact that LBM spends all her on-air time talking about lame-ass shows that only 15-year-olds watch, or subjecting us to worthless crap about people in Hollywood -- that we can find ourselves on-line. And she does it twice a day!!!

This is why (in my humble opinion) they have gone so downhill.

[PRINTER]

Jake-
Again, so right on! Every word you wrote is EXACLTY what I and several of my friends have discussed many times. Reality televison...NO ONE CARES!!! It's good for guilty pleasure but it's like when people tell you thier dreams...BORING on the re-telling!
You are absolutely 100% correct!!!
Add to that all of the staged calls, self-promotion and lying...and there you have it...BORE FEST 94.1

[DreamerGal]

I have my own theory on what killed their talent: Reality Television.

I quite agree, Jake. I can't tell you how many times I just turned off the radio. I really don't see the draw of those shows, or the obsession the spewmembers seem to have with them. Further, I think they just got lazy and fell into recapping television shows because it was easy, took very little time, and fed their schoolgirl obsession with them.

But, you know, even when I thought they were great, I was informed that they were stealing other peoples material.

I can't remember the bit, but it cracked me up in the late '90s. Anyway, I was telling somebody about the bit, and this guy told me that Howard Stern did the bit a year earlier. How disappointed was I to find out that these two seemingly great guys weren't as original as they professed to be! From then on, I took what they were saying through a filter of suspicion that whatever bit they were doing was recycled material.

[SDReadhead]

Jake-
Again, so right on! Every word you wrote is EXACLTY what I and several of my friends have discussed many times. Reality televison...NO ONE CARES!!! It's good for guilty pleasure but it's like when people tell you thier dreams...BORING on the re-telling!
You are absolutely 100% correct!!!
Add to that all of the staged calls, self-promotion and lying...and there you have it...BORE FEST 94.1

Printer and Jake, you both make great points. I recall them talking about Lost, which I've never, ever seen and had nothing to relate or connect to.

And Printer, you hit it on the head when you mentioned the staged calls and lying. The "Oh, this person just signed for Jingle Ball last night!!!" when anyone who has more than sawdust for brains knows that's not true, for example.

Hmmm....I think the "change" happened way before the station change. I never liked Jerk, but Jeff seemed endearing to me at one time -- but never since the whole Nina-left thing. Something in him just never seemed the same after that. But even back then, wasn't he orange and sporting a toupee? I guess that didn't matter to me as much when he was a likeable guy.

Now on to something more uplifting ...many thanks to Elizabeth who let me know that Netflix carries Twilight Zone! Most of my favorites were mentioned here today, and another one I LOVE is where the greedy family puts masks on and then their faces get stuck that way forever. Scared the living daylights out of me when I was a youngin'

[DreamerGal]

Now on to something more uplifting ...many thanks to Elizabeth who let me know that Netflix carries Twilight Zone! Most of my favorites were mentioned here today, and another one I LOVE is where the greedy family puts masks on and then their faces get stuck that way forever. Scared the living daylights out of me when I was a youngin'

One I remember best was the one where Captain Kirk sees a monster on the wing of the airplane he's flying in. I was pretty young when I saw that and it really freaked me out. Never could look at Captain Kirk the same after that. He totally lost it and took me right along with him!

[DreamerGal]

You remember the term, "scared the bejeesus out of" him/her, whatever? Well, before I started watching Twilight Zone or the Outer Limits (with Rod Serling, right?), I didn't know what a bejeesus was, let alone that I had one. But apparently, had one and it pro-created on its own, because I kept getting the bejeesus scared out of me on a fairly constant basis with those shows.

[califbrat]

You remember the term, "scared the bejeesus out of" him/her, whatever? Well, before I started watching Twilight Zone or the Outer Limits (with Rod Serling, right?), I didn't know what a bejeesus was, let alone that I had one. But apparently, had one and it pro-created on its own, because I kept getting the bejeesus scared out of me on a fairly constant basis with those shows.

DreamerGal

Capt. Kirk was on two nights ago.. so campy but oh so good!

[mnguy]

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[GirlfromOR]

Printer, I think that the station told him to stop blogging, and his reason for not doing it will be exactly what you said about not needing to be addicted to work since finding true Paul and Linda style LOVE!

[OneKidOneDogMom]

Does anyone know if any of the spewgram have MySpace pages? I'm still not very adept at finding my way through MySpace, but you'd think they'd want to jump on that publicity bandwagon too!

I seem to recall that Rick Moorten has a page, but don't recall about the others....

[Layla]

Does anyone know if any of the spewgram have MySpace pages? I'm still not very adept at finding my way through MySpace, but you'd think they'd want to jump on that publicity bandwagon too!

I seem to recall that Rick Moorten has a page, but don't recall about the others....
Tommy has one but it's not public. I tried to "friend" him months ago, but he never excepted. Boo. Eddie's also comes up when you search Tommy's name...also private (thank goodness).

[RecoveringLstnr]

Tommy has one but it's not public. I tried to "friend" him months ago, but he never excepted. Boo. Eddie's also comes up when you search Tommy's name...also private (thank goodness).

I don't have a MySpace page, but just went to the site and searched Tommy Sablan, and Eddie's reads "Eddie pie[Loves Kaela] WAZ UP BITCH ". It would be a long time before my child tasted freedom if I was aware he advertised such a thing. I'm not the iron fist type of mother, but please tell me I'm not the only mom here who finds that inappropriate?

[RedWillow]

Forgive me if any of this was written before. I had scanned everything, I thought, when I first found all you wonderful DC members. But can someone fill me, and maybe others, in on what happened to Jeff and Nina? (Remember I didn't listen to them from like 2001-2007 March.)

That's when I tried relistening again and found that their personal lives had changed. But you guys are right, the retelling of TV shows was still the same as in 2001. Yikes!
It made me spew!!
:puke:


mnguy #181

I don't think Jeff ever let on that he and Nina split. The first time I recall him mentioning it was after he hooked up with Kristen.

He even made a big deal of it, talked about how depressed he'd been, and announced their divorce. Then he talked about meeting Kristen, and that he's been on his "last" first date.

Having listened off and on since the beginning, I can tell you that Jeff has always had a mean streak, he just didn't show it as consistently as he has lately. It was one of the things that would turn me off their show.

[Layla]

I don't have a MySpace page, but just went to the site and searched Tommy Sablan, and Eddie's reads "Eddie pie[Loves Kaela] WAZ UP BITCH ". It would be a long time before my child tasted freedom if I was aware he advertised such a thing. I'm not the iron fist type of mother, but please tell me I'm not the only mom here who finds that inappropriate?Well...I'm not oking it, but he DOES live by example, and THAT is the example daddy boy sets. Just think of what a darling man Eddie has the potential of growing up to be. It's sad. Very very sad.

[shello]

Well...I'm not oking it, but he DOES live by example, and THAT is the example daddy boy sets. Just think of what a darling man Eddie has the potential of growing up to be. It's sad. Very very sad.

Oooh, that's bad. Reelly bad! Well, since I don't have kids yet (the adoption process starts soon) I can say that I would not allow my kid to have a myspace page. Only if they were over 18 and out-on-their-own. Wow. I am sure Vanessa has one too. And since Tommy only seems to focus on her looks, I am sure that the page will be all about looks.

[Layla]

Oooh, that's bad. Reelly bad! Well, since I don't have kids yet (the adoption process starts soon) I can say that I would not allow my kid to have a myspace page. Only if they were over 18 and out-on-their-own. Wow. I am sure Vanessa has one too. And since Tommy only seems to focus on her looks, I am sure that the page will be all about looks.
My 13 yr olds has a page. As with any social medium, there are dangers, however, he is closely monitored. Dad and I both have his login info and all messages have to be read before being posted. I don't have a problem with it, as long as he is being responsible. The minute dad or I feel that he's not, the plug gets pulled. (It also is the first thing to get taken away if he even talks back to one of us). But really, I'd rather him be at home on MySpace then out doing what his dad was doing at 13 :)

[BigAl]

Remember now that with the MySpace-Eddie is in custody with his mom and FH gets him and wants to be his buddy v.s his father, alike the LBM and her kids. No telling what else is their MySpace.....

[Layla]

Remember now that with the MySpace-Eddie is in custody with his mom and FH gets him and wants to be his buddy v.s his father, alike the LBM and her kids. No telling what else is their MySpace.....Well, according to Amused, Amanda monitors and controls both Eddie and Vanessa's myspace page...so someone other than Tommy is oking the content.

[shello]

My 13 yr olds has a page. As with any social medium, there are dangers, however, he is closely monitored. Dad and I both have his login info and all messages have to be read before being posted. I don't have a problem with it, as long as he is being responsible. The minute dad or I feel that he's not, the plug gets pulled. (It also is the first thing to get taken away if he even talks back to one of us). But really, I'd rather him be at home on MySpace then out doing what his dad was doing at 13 :)

I hear what you are saying but I think myspace has had so many tragic things associated with it (when it comes to pervs and murderers) that I would just prefer it not be around.

I wonder what dear old dad was doing back then? Yikes!

However, the DC Band has a myspace page where they post their latest songs and gigs.

[garybear]

I hear what you are saying but I think myspace has had so many tragic things associated with it (when it comes to pervs and murderers) that I would just prefer it not be around.

I wonder what dear old dad was doing back then? Yikes!

However, the DC Band has a myspace page where they post their latest songs and gigs.

I, at first, was indifferent to MySpace, probably because I felt too old to participate. When I look at all of the things that "kids these days" have such as cell phones, Xbox, ipods, IM's etc... I really wonder what happened to the "old days". When I was a kid, I went to school, came home, did my homework (lots of it Catholic school for 12 years- not that you can tell now!) and then went outside to play until dark. "Cops and Robbers", kickball, lemonade stands etc... All gone now. I rarely see any children outside just playing in the sunshine anymore. I survived without all of the electronics (okay, maybe not my 8-track)and I am certainly healthier as an adult because of it. It is no wonder we have a problem with obesity in children these days. They never get out from behind the computers, xbox games, and cell phones anymore. I know what I am saying is not universally true for all children just an observation for the majority it seems.

[Layla]

[QUOTE=shello]

I wonder what dear old dad was doing back then? Yikes!

QUOTE]
Dear old dad was doing more than playing cops and robbers!

[garybear]

I don't think Jeff ever let on that he and Nina split. The first time I recall him mentioning it was after he hooked up with Kristen.

He even made a big deal of it, talked about how depressed he'd been, and announced their divorce. Then he talked about meeting Kristen, and that he's been on his "last" first date.

Having listened off and on since the beginning, I can tell you that Jeff has always had a mean streak, he just didn't show it as consistently as he has lately. It was one of the things that would turn me off their show.

That is how I remember it too. It was kind of like, "well I am done with her and on to the love of my life". For a show that calls all of their minions "family" and they share everything with the listeners, his split was like an afterthought and oh by the way "I'm in love" It must be something in the water over there. I'm in love, I'm out of love, I'm in love again. Maybe they should call it the "how to fall in...and out...of love in three days" show.

[garybear]

[QUOTE=shello]

I wonder what dear old dad was doing back then? Yikes!

QUOTE]
Dear old dad was doing more than playing cops and robbers!

Was it "pimps and hookers" by chance?

[SDchick]

Forgive me if any of this was written before. I had scanned everything, I thought, when I first found all you wonderful DC members. But can someone fill me, and maybe others, in on what happened to Jeff and Nina? (Remember I didn't listen to them from like 2001-2007 March.)

That's when I tried relistening again and found that their personal lives had changed. But you guys are right, the retelling of TV shows was still the same as in 2001. Yikes!
It made me spew!!
:puke:


mnguy #181
Hi mnguy, my friend told me about Nina cheating on Jeff several years ago, I didn't really believe it, because nothing of marital troubles was ever mentioned on the air, and then about a year later, BAM! he's talking about Kristen.

My friend was working at Nordstrom at the time, and, yadda yadda yadda, she somehow knew this story: Nina went away on a "Girls Only" ski trip to Colorado or someplace like that. Nothing unusual about that; she did those kinds of girls trips all the time.

The weekend she got back home, Jeff found newly developed pictures she'd tucked away, and she was in a hotel room getting it on with some guy. Splitsville after that.

That's the story i heard, and of course, at the time I had NO FRIENDS like those on the DC board to share this with!

[Layla]

I, at first, was indifferent to MySpace, probably because I felt too old to participate. When I look at all of the things that "kids these days" have such as cell phones, Xbox, ipods, IM's etc... I really wonder what happened to the "old days". When I was a kid, I went to school, came home, did my homework (lots of it Catholic school for 12 years- not that you can tell now!) and then went outside to play until dark. "Cops and Robbers", kickball, lemonade stands etc... All gone now. I rarely see any children outside just playing in the sunshine anymore. I survived without all of the electronics (okay, maybe not my 8-track)and I am certainly healthier as an adult because of it. It is no wonder we have a problem with obesity in children these days. They never get out from behind the computers, xbox games, and cell phones anymore. I know what I am saying is not universally true for all children just an observation for the majority it seems.It is a different world now. Sad but true. I used to play "until the lights came on" too. There's NO WAY I'd let my little ones take off for hours the way I used to do. The 13 year old. He plays sports, and he's in band. Internet access ceases automatically at 7 pm nightly. Truly, moderation and monitoring is the key...of course this is all just my opinion :)

[Layla]

[QUOTE=Layla]

Was it "pimps and hookers" by chance?
Ummm....yeah, pretyy darn close. Really, REALLY sad. BUT, he sure did learn a life lesson and he's a better dad for it. Funny how that works with some men.

[garybear]

It is a different world now. Sad but true. I used to play "until the lights came on" too. There's NO WAY I'd let my little ones take off for hours the way I used to do. The 13 year old. He plays sports, and he's in band. Internet access ceases automatically at 7 pm nightly. Truly, moderation and monitoring is the key...of course this is all just my opinion :)

I knew there were still mindful parents out there. I would not let my child play in the canyons like we once did or ride our bikes to the movie theater when we were 10 because yes, times have changed. I just wish the majority was like you, not the minority! Again, just my opinion too :)
BTW, we are not parents...yet... so all of this is easier said than done I am sure!

[SDchick]

Ok...it's officially January.

So...let's get to planning our January get together. I suggest something kid friendly and "safe" like bowling or a picnic at Balboa Park or a bon fire at the beach one evening.

What weekend in January is good for you? I am having surgery on January 18, so the long weekend is out for me (sadly). Of course, that doesn't mean that y'all can't do it without me! If that's the best weekend for everyone, then by all means, let's plan it (I'll even help plan).

I'll go about setting up a paypal account for ... oh wait, that was LAST YEAR's disaster...

In all seriousness, the few of us who have met have started to develop a genuine friendship (rut row, I sound like FH now)and we'd love to have you join us! Maybe we could even meet at Tubsy's bench...lol

All of you shy people (and you know who you are, yes YOU, the few who PM'ed me last time around and said that maybe you'd join us for January), come on out of hiding. We don't bite. We're downright friendly. We don't care what you look like, how old you are, how much $$ you make, what you weigh, whether or not you have hair and/or teeth. We just want to get to know our IF's. Don't be shy. You won't regret it!
I'll stop being shy! I'm scheduled for my c-section February 10th so any day before that is definitely best for me. :)

I'm not up for a bonfire on the beach, but definitely some park would be great, we could pot-luck it or bring our own foods...except for the brownies...mmmm brownies. Actually, any place I can park my pregnant tush would be just great.

[pax]

I knew there were still mindful parents out there. I would not let my child play in the canyons like we once did or ride our bikes to the movie theater when we were 10 because yes, times have changed. I just wish the majority was like you, not the minority! Again, just my opinion too :)
BTW, we are not parents...yet... so all of this is easier said than done I am sure!

I just want to add that crime in the last few decades has actually gone down - the reporting of it has gone up. The media takes those reports and gets crazy headlines and viewer/readership goes up. It's good business to scare people (just ask our President).

Now, I'm not saying that I'm going to let my kids play unsupervised but I am saying that we are a bit brainwashed in this area. I bet 99% of kids in our country would be just fine playing until the lights come on. It would be good for them. But we now think that 1% is an unacceptable percentage of people who might get injured or worse. But at what cost?

Just something to think about.

[Layla]

I just want to add that crime in the last few decades has actually gone down - the reporting of it has gone up. The media takes those reports and gets crazy headlines and viewer/readership goes up. It's good business to scare people (just ask our President).

Now, I'm not saying that I'm going to let my kids play unsupervised but I am saying that we are a bit brainwashed in this area. I bet 99% of kids in our country would be just fine playing until the lights come on. It would be good for them. But we now think that 1% is an unacceptable percentage of people who might get injured or worse. But at what cost?

Just something to think about.
I actually just had this conversation today. I am aware that there was just as much if not more, child abduction, etc, "back in the day". However, I believe there was and still is A LOT of stuff that happens that does not get reported on the nightly news. Just last night as I was washing dishes thinking on the fact that all of my kids were running around the house playing instead of out on the street, that I can clearly remember three seperate occasions before age 12 where I was aproached and probably close to abducted. One guy had nothing on from the waist down when I naivly walked up to his car at age 7. He actually got another girl in our neighborhood. She got away alive. Two other times I was asked for directions and then asked to get in the car to show them the way. This was all just things that happened with "strangers". Crime may have gone down, but I had enough happen to me in my childhood to make me feel safe only if crime dissapeared altogether.

[Texasgirl]

Random comments:

1. I avidly tuned into the morning show from 2000 - 2005. I liked Jeff because he was from the Midwest and we had many common experiences. I also like listening to tales about his kids. Sometimes they went on too long, but not too lengthy for me to change the channel. Around that time, I began driving my pre-teen stepdaughter to school and back daily. J and J filled up many long silences and at that time, they weren't risque enough to change the channel.

2. Many DC posters vigilently monitor their child's computer use and other communications. More power to you! I am not quite that stringent for two reasons. First, my own children are 21 and 23. Even when they were younger, our communications were very open. Please don't take that to mean that I was clueless or reckless; we just discussed "adult" topics as they arose. BTW, both of them lost their virginity long after the age I did and have been very responsible handling such matters. Secondly, I work full time with adolescents and have for almost 20 years. On a daily basis, I hear cursing, read somewhat inappropriate notes, and am aware of other such topics being discussed between kids. And these are the "good" kids! Straight A's, exemplary citizenship...the works. I would be surprised if one in ten of their parents were aware of what their kids considered appropriate for everyday conversation. So, I "fail to hear" much of it and only get involved when words or actions are dangerous or hurtful.

DC#44
P.S. The stepdaughter mentioned above IS 90% unmonitored as far as computer and phone usage goes. She is a quite immature 16-year-old, but I would bet that her parents would still be very surprised. No one wants to listen to my take on the subject...

[LisaP]

Hi mnguy, my friend told me about Nina cheating on Jeff several years ago, I didn't really believe it, because nothing of marital troubles was ever mentioned on the air, and then about a year later, BAM! he's talking about Kristen.

My friend was working at Nordstrom at the time, and, yadda yadda yadda, she somehow knew this story: Nina went away on a "Girls Only" ski trip to Colorado or someplace like that. Nothing unusual about that; she did those kinds of girls trips all the time.

The weekend she got back home, Jeff found newly developed pictures she'd tucked away, and she was in a hotel room getting it on with some guy. Splitsville after that.

That's the story i heard, and of course, at the time I had NO FRIENDS like those on the DC board to share this with!

And that is my friends, what we call "karma". Jeff's talk is what started turning me off on the spoogegram. He was so into his church and his kids, and yet how did he hook up with Nina. That would be on a Y95 cruise while he was still married to wife #1. A friend of mine was on the cruise and let me in on that tidbit. Everytime after, when I heard him mentioning his church or religion, or Nina or his kids [by current wife or former], it bugged me.

[Layla]

Random comments:
2. Many DC posters vigilently monitor their child's computer use and other communications. More power to you! I am not quite that stringent for two reasons. First, my own children are 21 and 23. Even when they were younger, our communications were very open. Please don't take that to mean that I was clueless or reckless; we just discussed "adult" topics as they arose. BTW, both of them lost their virginity long after the age I did and have been very responsible handling such matters. Secondly, I work full time with adolescents and have for almost 20 years. On a daily basis, I hear cursing, read somewhat inappropriate notes, and am aware of other such topics being discussed between kids. And these are the "good" kids! Straight A's, exemplary citizenship...the works. I would be surprised if one in ten of their parents were aware of what their kids considered appropriate for everyday conversation. So, I "fail to hear" much of it and only get involved when words or actions are dangerous or hurtful.


I try very VERY hard to not forget what "being a kid" was. When something comes up, that my first reaction is to be appalled at, I immediately try to put myself in that mindset and relate. I know that outside of my presense, the kids will say and do things they wouldn't do in front of me. It happens. My biggest concern is that they take other people into consideration, ahow respect, aren't mean or vengeful, and are always "aware". Umm...where was this going...I'm less concerned with what my kids are dong or saying and more concerned with what is being said or done TO them, which is why I, personally, monitor.

[SDReadhead]

I have a very different spin on the kids playing outside thing, and I do NOT suggest that people adopt my take on it because our backgrounds are far too different. I only post this here because I sometimes look at my American in-laws and how they guard my nieces and nephews and imagine the outright heart attack they'd have had growing up in my world. I grew up in Belfast at the absolute height of the troubles as we so euphemistically called the war that raged on around us. Bombings, shootings, rioting were part of my everyday life, and we walked to school and played outside and learned when to duck and cover. Innocent bystanders got killed at times, including some of my school mates, but it would be impossible to live every minute of childhood inside hiding from shell fire. Here's the kicker -- although we lived in the midst of all of that violence and terror, there was very little street crime or violence unrelated to the troubles. When my husband got a job offer in the states and we told our family members (some of whom eventually moved here, too) that we would be moving to California, they were worried for our safety. Isn't that a hoot? They thought every bit of California was like Compton with gangs because that was the media image.

As for our kids (both born in US); they were allowed more tether than many of their peers. They both have myspace accounts (and if I were FH I'd list the account addresses here along with photos and info on where they both are right now). Their accounts are private, which means only invited friends can view the profiles and contact them. But even with that, once my daughter was contacted by an adult male who was using his cousin's account (and therefore could access my daughter's profile). He made himself known as a pedophile and my daughter printed out everything he sent her and with my husband beside her, called the police to report him. I don't want to give more detail here than that, but let's just say this man is not currently able to talk to young people (or anyone) online right now. My point is that she knew what to do and knew she could come to us for help. Communication is important!

Speaking of online communiques, I can't wait to see what FHs next blahg will read. I'm quite confident it will be the "Hallelujah! I'm no longer a workaholic!" schtick. Yawn.

[garybear]

I actually just had this conversation today. I am aware that there was just as much if not more, child abduction, etc, "back in the day". However, I believe there was and still is A LOT of stuff that happens that does not get reported on the nightly news. Just last night as I was washing dishes thinking on the fact that all of my kids were running around the house playing instead of out on the street, that I can clearly remember three seperate occasions before age 12 where I was aproached and probably close to abducted. One guy had nothing on from the waist down when I naivly walked up to his car at age 7. He actually got another girl in our neighborhood. She got away alive. Two other times I was asked for directions and then asked to get in the car to show them the way. This was all just things that happened with "strangers". Crime may have gone down, but I had enough happen to me in my childhood to make me feel safe only if crime dissapeared altogether.

I agree about crime back in the day. When I was 8 or 9, I walked down into the canyon with a friend. We were approached by a man that said there was a bunch of change (lots of $$$ to a kid back then!) down in an area known as the "swamp". We followed the man and something just did not feel right so we bolted back to my house. Yes, the man chased us to the house and yes, we got in safe. Part of it shows that crime has and will always be a sad part of life. My parents taught me well and always told me to trust my instincts. On this occassion, it paid off. I am a firm believer in you have to experience life on life's terms- the good and bad, in order to grow. I have always trusted my instincts since then and they have not failed me yet.

[Alpinemaps]

All of you shy people (and you know who you are, yes YOU, the few who PM'ed me last time around and said that maybe you'd join us for January), come on out of hiding.

I'll own up to being someone that said 'maybe next time'. Still waiting for Mrs. Alpinemaps to give birth. Of course, she's in the hospital, has a heart condition, blah blah blah...

Oops, sorry. Got off course there for a minute.

In all seriousness, I'm still waiting for Alpinemaps-ette (the little girl) to come out. Mrs. Alpinemaps is due January 28, and is scheduled for a c-section on January 21. Needless to say, my weekends are booked for awhile.


We don't bite.

Dang. That would have convinced me to come. :)

[pax]

SDReadhead- you're my kind of gal.

[WhoMe]

I have two kiddos 13 and 9. Both are aware that My Space is off limits..not even a question, and they know why. My son better not call ANYONE "bitch".

I would love to meet y'all in the real world. I have several close friends I met online before we met at Mission Bay part...of course that was in August.

Happy New Year all!

[Wabbitsd]

I'll come to a get together, just around my kid's schedule, that's my only excuse for not being social. I don't see a problem, and I'll bring something once we all figure how many and what we have already.

[garybear]

I'll come to a get together, just around my kid's schedule, that's my only excuse for not being social. I don't see a problem, and I'll bring something once we all figure how many and what we have already.

I might be able to make it that last weekend if it is during the day or late afternoon- I turn into a pumpkin after 7pm.

[BigAl]

Do not trust MySpace, even if you say it is monitored.
There is a program out there (name escapes) me that you put on your computer and lets you see everything and everyone who has used it as well as their passwords, etc. That way you can really monitor activity. Even your kids IM accounts. Still can't think of the name of the program though.
I heard it on an LA radio station.

[garybear]

Do not trust MySpace, even if you say it is monitored.
There is a program out there (name escapes) me that you put on your computer and lets you see everything and everyone who has used it as well as their passwords, etc. That way you can really monitor activity. Even your kids IM accounts. Still can't think of the name of the program though.
I heard it on an LA radio station.

The one program I am aware of is SpyBuddy:
http://www.exploreanywhere.com/child-safety.htm

[mnguy]

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[Layla]

Do not trust MySpace, even if you say it is monitored.
There is a program out there (name escapes) me that you put on your computer and lets you see everything and everyone who has used it as well as their passwords, etc. That way you can really monitor activity. Even your kids IM accounts. Still can't think of the name of the program though.
I heard it on an LA radio station.
I personally would never go that far, not unless he had proven to me that there was a reason to. So far, so good, and believe me, there HAS been some stuff that *I* at 13 would have gotten rid of :)

I clicked over to the suckgram while my ALL NEW AND LIVE DSC was on commercial. I was shocked when the Best Of bit they were playing included DaveCain! I do wonder who picks the best ofs...if *I* was newly seperated and still bitter I'd probably be a little upset if my "best friend" producer through those on the air.

[Alpinemaps]

I clicked over to the suckgram while my ALL NEW AND LIVE DSC was on commercial.

I just popped on my MP3 player, when DSC went to commercial this morning.

I left for work at 6:45 this morning. Turned on DSC. Do you know when they went to commercial? At 7:10, as I was in the last 2 minutes of my drive to work. Yes, 25 minutes of LIVE and NEW radio. And it was entertaining!

[Layla]

I just popped on my MP3 player, when DSC went to commercial this morning.

I left for work at 6:45 this morning. Turned on DSC. Do you know when they went to commercial? At 7:10, as I was in the last 2 minutes of my drive to work. Yes, 25 minutes of LIVE and NEW radio. And it was entertaining!
Even their best of is entertaining. I mean, people actually go out and BUY it...I did last year!

[SDGirl87]

You folks crack me up. I've had a BUNCH of "shy people" contact me...I was referring in the post to only 1 or 2 people, (a-hem #1...yes YOU...you know who you are...I'm still waiting to hear from you, but I digress). I guess guilt works!

We seem to have A LOT of interest in the last Saturday of January, so that's our definite date. Next up: WHERE? I love the idea of Balboa Park. It's free, kid friendly, pet friendly, wide open and public. Maybe a picnic? Each bring your own food and maybe a bag of chips or 6 pack of soda to share? We'll have brownies and fudge (YUM). What are your thoughts?

Tell you what, PM me your email address (I promise to keep it private!) and I'll send out what I'm thinking about details (I don't want to publish it here...in case YOU KNOW WHO is watching!).

[SDGirl87]

Since I've had 2 CRAPPY days in a row at work...our word today is...

UNREASONABLE

[Carol]

Who am I FedExing out at the end of January? The problem with the website is fixed, so no worries, I will be able to track you as you move through the country to our shindig.

[11ListenerNot]

I clicked over to the suckgram while my ALL NEW AND LIVE DSC was on commercial. I was shocked when the Best Of bit they were playing included DaveCain! I do wonder who picks the best ofs...if *I* was newly seperated and still bitter I'd probably be a little upset if my "best friend" producer through those on the air.[/QUOTE]
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I was listening also. When they called Dave, he was on a business trip. Laura didn't even know what he was there for, and almost seemed to forget where he was. (Victorville). And she indicated that she liked it that way. My boyfriend and I always discuss our days at work in the evening, I just don't get it. I guess she was too obsessed with drugs, alcohol and lottery scratchers. Anyway, it was kinda sad, Dave seems like a down to earth, mature guy

[Transplant]

We seem to have A LOT of interest in the last Saturday of January, so that's our definite date.

Unfortunately, I won't be able to make it . . . but FORTUNATELY I will be going back home to the east coast with my son to celebrate my & my mom's birthdays together on the same day!!!!! yaaahhhh!

I'll miss all of you!

[garybear]

Since I've had 2 CRAPPY days in a row at work...our word today is...

UNREASONABLE

It is UNREASONABLE to expect that the showgram will be any better in 2008 than it was in 2007!

It is REASONABLE to expect that after 2 bad days at work, it will get better : )

[J&JSuck]

Hi DC IFs, I have a question. Did J/J ever produce a good show, or were those of us who used to like them back in the day just as sucked in by them as their NEW breed of soccer moms is sucked in today?

I think they (and I mean Jeff and Jer -- not the entire crew because Laura has always bugged me) used to be good -- if good is defined as witty, sincerely caring about their community, and fresh. However, when I think about the NEW J/J, I can't imagine that people change that much and I suppose that it would be hard, in just a few years, to become so full of yourself and so cynical about listeners. I don't recall things from years past such as 10-minute lead-ins to really stupid, boring announcements and I also don't remember Jeff interrupting everyone or Jerry seeming so blatant about his disregard for the other members of the show and the listeners. But perhaps I was listening through rose-colored-ears (oh, where is wonk when you need an image?)

So, what say ye?
I think they used to be good (never LBM). I used to actually laugh at stuff they did or made Tommy do. that was a long time ago though. I think I started listening in 1988 or 89. Think about how many times they've switched stations: Y95 (good - I used to even tell friends to listen), B100 (good), Q106 (I think they started to suck here), Star 100.7 (sucked), Star 94.1 (suck heavily). When did the big bucks really come for them? Was it the Q106 switch? Back in the day they used to be better at selling their "average guys" show - even Jerk. Now they drag everything out so they don't have to do anything.

[garybear]

When did the big bucks really come for them? Was it the Q106 switch? Back in the day they used to be better at selling their "average guys" show - even Jerk. Now they drag everything out so they don't have to do anything.
Remember when they were at Jack and they claimed they hated the fact that everything was under such tight control, they did not have the freedom to do what they wanted (that darn monkey!), and they had to play more songs than talk through the break? Well, it seems to me that they realized, after they moved to 94.1, that they did not have such a bad deal back at Jack. They now had to work again. They just got lazy!

[RhondaReindeer]

They did it again this morning at about 5:45 a.m. - re-ran the news headlines and traffic report from Dec. 31.

I am out walking and over at the gym from 5:45 to 7:30. Thank God the DSC comes on at 6:15. Before then, if I can't stomach the JnJ replay and I've already heard the DSC bit, I will listen to Bill Handel on KFI. Am also giving the Mikey show more attention.

[Texasgirl]

Jumping back to a previous topic:

When an adult defines 'friend' and 'love' it usually has one meaning. When 10-15 year olds define the same words, they have quite a different concept in mind. FH's son probably does think that he is a lover boy. I have often heard kids say, "I only let friends see my profile," - meaning someone they have talked to anonymously for less than an hour. So even if a responsible adult holds their children to specific internet rules, there may be a big misunderstanding as to what those rules actually mean.

Hasn't FH made several comments regarding his daughter's My Space? Shocked or proud they didn't sound appropriate. And if FH realized that, I can only imagine what was said.

DC#44

[wanky]

Remember when they were at Jack and they claimed they hated the fact that everything was under such tight control, they did not have the freedom to do what they wanted (that darn monkey!), and they had to play more songs than talk through the break? Well, it seems to me that they realized, after they moved to 94.1, that they did not have such a bad deal back at Jack. They now had to work again. They just got lazy!

I agree with your assessment!Back then when everything was controlled, no one caught on as to how untalented and uncreative they were. Now that every decision is theirs to make, they have nothing to give. I think money jaded the shamgram as well as overconfidence (we're too good not to be liked...they will continue to listen because we're big deals no matter how much we suck)

I also agree with Texasgirl about how differently adults and teens/youth nowadays conceptualize ideas. I always try to set up scenarios to make sure my students and I are on the same page. But as far as parenting, you should know your kids the best and only you can decide on how strict/loose you are with their myspace account.

I hope everyone is having a great year so far. SDGirl, it'll get better :)

[SDReadhead]

SDReadhead- you're my kind of gal.

Thanks, Pax! You're a right fine pal yourself.

[WhoMe]

My email at work is down. This is the 3rd work day in a row they have had "server issues". Am I being UNREASONABLE expecting to have email all day?

J&J are on vacation, maybe I should consider the same.

[SDGirl87]

I'M OUT OF THE DOG HOUSE AT WORK!!!! WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

note to any and all supervisors: if a computer crashes and causes some serious problems for your employees for a few hours, it's not their fault. It really isn't. It's unreasonable to blame them for it.

Moving on.

[wanky]

Echoing what others have said here, I can't wait for Tubby's next blog when he goes on and on about how liberating it was not BLAHging for two whole weeks + and family is the most important thing, bleh, bleh, bleh, bleh! (we've all heard it before!)

[DreamerGal]

Echoing what others have said here, I can't wait for Tubby's next blog when he goes on and on about how liberating it was not BLAHging for two whole weeks + and family is the most important thing, bleh, bleh, bleh, bleh! (we've all heard it before!)

I wonder how much time he will have actually spent with his kids ... or if it's the same 'ol "the-kids-were-at-my-house-but-we-were-all-in-different-rooms-watching-inappropriate-television-shows-or-accessing-inappropriate-websites," or "we-went-to-the-mall-and-everybody-went-to-different-stores-and-the-only-time-the-kids-and-I-spent-time-together-was-when-they-needed-me-to-pay-for-their-purchases," or "we-all-went-on-a-family-trip-to-Disneyland-and-I-got-pissed-because-Mootshell-looked-at-someone-I-am-threatened-by-(Mickey?)-so-I-went-out-and-sat-in-the-car-while-the-kids-and-Mootshell-went-on-rides-and-talked-about-how-difficult-I-am-to-live-with-then-when-I-had-enough-of-sitting-in-the-car-I-called-Mootshell-over-and-over-again-and-she-didn't-answer-her-phone-for-three-hours-so-then-I-was-really-pissed-and-the-kids-got-to-hear-us-yell-at-each-other-all-the-way-home-while-I-eyed-(through-the-rear-view-mirror)-the-inappropriately-young-couple-in-the-back-making-out."

I'm sure he'll have some truly heartwarming stories of his "family time."

[listener13]

Someone said it earlier, and I'll betya they're right - he was probably "told" not to blog - just to take it easy. Maybe the suits are finally reading that stuff and it scares the bejesus out of them.

It's just so weird that he hasn't blobbed anything in so long. But, you're right - it's gonna be "oh, I ate so bad over the holiday, but it's all about family and friends and children are a gift, and my MOM is doing well, and I found my Linda, and I'm so happy, and we're gonna get married soon, as long as the children approve, and we're going to move, but only if the children approve, and I start my diet today, and I'm gonna start early to get in shape for the 3Day because I'm going to do it again because I met so many great friends that I'm so close with, and they bought me a bench because we hike together and we're such great friends (even though I probably couldn't pick one of them out in a police lineup), but I'm really happy right now, and that's what matters, what's a few pounds, but I start my diet tomorrow."

[DreamerGal]

Oh, and I'll bet he's NEVER been in a better PLACE in his life than he is now ...

[listener13]

oh, yeah - thank you - he's "never been in a better place in his life, and Michelle has brought out the best in him, and he's glad he's met his Linda, and now he knows how good Paul McCartney had it, and Paul is the greatest musician, and they were so in love, and he's so in love with Michelle, and they're going to get married and find a house together (if the children approve), and they both miss having Laura around the house because they're all so very close and she's doing so well with her sobriety and she's got it so tough being a single Mom and she's so good with her kids"

[11th Reader]

Who am I FedExing out at the end of January? The problem with the website is fixed, so no worries, I will be able to track you as you move through the country to our shindig.

I may be able to fit in a medium box...but a large will certainly be more comfortable...although I guess I don't want too much room because they'll throw me around and I'll be flying all over the place.

Last weekend, as in the 26th (aka my birthday? :D) Let me know for sure so I can ship the brownies in time.

[insightbyjake]

I wonder how much time he will have actually spent with his kids ... or if it's the same 'ol "the-kids-were-at-my-house-but-we-were-all-in-different-rooms-watching-inappropriate-television-shows-or-accessing-inappropriate-websites," or "we-went-to-the-mall-and-everybody-went-to-different-stores-and-the-only-time-the-kids-and-I-spent-time-together-was-when-they-needed-me-to-pay-for-their-purchases," or "we-all-went-on-a-family-trip-to-Disneyland-and-I-got-pissed-because-Mootshell-looked-at-someone-I-am-threatened-by-(Mickey?)-so-I-went-out-and-sat-in-the-car-while-the-kids-and-Mootshell-went-on-rides-and-talked-about-how-difficult-I-am-to-live-with-then-when-I-had-enough-of-sitting-in-the-car-I-called-Mootshell-over-and-over-again-and-she-didn't-answer-her-phone-for-three-hours-so-then-I-was-really-pissed-and-the-kids-got-to-hear-us-yell-at-each-other-all-the-way-home-while-I-eyed-(through-the-rear-view-mirror)-the-inappropriately-young-couple-in-the-back-making-out."

I'm sure he'll have some truly heartwarming stories of his "family time."

What's with all the hyphens?

[insightbyjake]

It is UNREASONABLE to expect that the showgram will be any better in 2008 than it was in 2007!

It is REASONABLE to expect that after 2 bad days at work, it will get better : )

Answer to Question 1: Yes. Particularly since they return at the same time as American Idol. Get ready for day after day rehashing of bad talent pretending to be good talent (hey, that line serves a dual purpose: it describes AI and J & J.):)

Question 2: No. A bad day at work is the day for which you receive remuneration. They pay you for the crap they dish out while you are trying to do your kob.

A good day at work is a phychological lift. The old, "mind over matter" - You don't mind your bosses -- cause they don't matter.

:cheers: Me after a good day at work.


:bash: :cheers: Me after a bad day at work

[Temkugirl]

Is is just me or have the postings with the link to the sale of Laura's house been removed? I wanted to show the video to my sister but cannot find the posting anymore.

I have been reading the postings here for a while and just recently signed on. I enjoy reading what you all have to say.
:)

[iamsheens]

Hi Everyone.
I don't know if anyone has mentioned their goals for the New Year but one of mine is to be healthier in life this includes working out, cooking, and drinking more water. In my process of trying to find a website to help me accomplish these goals I came across this amazing website www.sparkpeople.com

Im not one to preach about how cool a site is but this is a great website if your looking to eat healthier, need motivation, interested in nutrition, or wanting inspiration to work out. The website will making food plans to help you loose weight and come up with work out plans. I'm completely 100% in love (well maybe not love but addicted) to this website, almost as much as gotapex.com haha...its really cool and I just wanted to share it because I feel like its already helping me accomplish my goals...

Anyways if you do go to the website and really like it and sign up add me as a friend...my user name is none other than....iamsheens

Anyways now back to the regularly scheduled conversation...

B.T.W. has anyone tried emailing tommy to make sure he is alive?

[GirlfromOR]

Has anyone ever had a gall bladder attack? Oh LORD, this could possibly be the worst pain I've ever been in. I have to have an ultrasound on my liver and gall bladder tomorrow and then I'll know if that is what is causing my pain.

It hurts right under my rib cage on the right side and on my back at the same place (sort of at the bottom of my shoulder blade. It comes on as soon as I eat anything, even bland things. It hurts really bad. They say pregnancy can cause gall bladder issues, so they did some blood work today and I have that ultrasound tomorrow. I'm afraid to eat anything, but I have to eat because of the baby. I feel like crying. :(

[GirlfromOR]

Oh and sheens, that website is great! I've used it before and it is wonderful.

[BigAl]

Here in the Team DC Drama club, we are smart and savvy to the goings on of the Spew Gram.
Anyway, a few things we can keep track of in order to exploit their cover ups:
1. How many vacation days they will get in 2008.
2. How many times J or J is late beyond the 0600 hour.
3. How many times FH says "Holy Balls" or refers to God.
4. How much harassment, intimidation, or coercive tactics they try to use on us.
5. How many time LBM makes you want to puke by whining.
6. How much time is left on their contract......

any other sigestions?????

[pax]

GirlfromOR - It does sound gallbladder-ish to me (L&D RN). Try not to eat fat until you are diagnosed. Your baby will be fine on carbs and protein until then. Good luck!!

[garybear]

My email at work is down. This is the 3rd work day in a row they have had "server issues". Am I being UNREASONABLE expecting to have email all day?

J&J are on vacation, maybe I should consider the same.

As a person who works for an IT firm (my 2nd calling after working in non-profits for 18 years)- no you are not being "UNREASONABLE" to expect emails after 3 days. Your IT staff are either too lazy or do not know what they are doing. I would beat them over the head with the smilies insightbyjake has in his post.
And yes SDGirl87, if the computer crashes it is the computer's fault...not yours.

Technology is great...when it feels like cooperating and the people that manage it, talk to the machines nicely.

[garybear]

Echoing what others have said here, I can't wait for Tubby's next blog when he goes on and on about how liberating it was not BLAHging for two whole weeks + and family is the most important thing, bleh, bleh, bleh, bleh! (we've all heard it before!)

My guess is that he is preparing for the "big storm". He wants to be sure he does not float away.
If I pray to the rain gods do you think it would be "UNREASONABLE" to ask for him to float down the drain like the itsy bitsy spider?

[iamsheens]

I just wanted to share with everyone how happy I am that my work buys recyled printer paper...I just learned this...it makes me happy to know that they are doing something good for the office place, now if only they'd get rid of all the lighting and switch to energy efficent lighting, and get rid of the styrofoam cups, and plastic spoons, forks, and knives...

Soory my environmentalist side just came out oops.

Another off topic thing...does anyone who sings the song called RUBY? it goes ruby ruby ruby ruby, RUBBBBBY...

i love it.

okay well I get to leave in two minutes so yay!!!

[iamsheens]

My guess is that he is preparing for the "big storm". He wants to be sure he does not float away.
If I pray to the rain gods do you think it would be "UNREASONABLE" to ask for him to float down the drain like the itsy bitsy spider?

I cant imagine how big of a drain it'd have to be for tommy to float down...

[garybear]

I cant imagine how big of a drain it'd have to be for tommy to float down...

Probably more like a viaduct for him

[insightbyjake]

I just wanted to share with everyone how happy I am that my work buys recyled printer paper...I just learned this...it makes me happy to know that they are doing something good for the office place, now if only they'd get rid of all the lighting and switch to energy efficent lighting, and get rid of the styrofoam cups, and plastic spoons, forks, and knives...

Soory my environmentalist side just came out oops.

Another off topic thing...does anyone who sings the song called RUBY? it goes ruby ruby ruby ruby, RUBBBBBY...

i love it.

okay well I get to leave in two minutes so yay!!!

Kaiser Chiefs.

Good tune.

[insightbyjake]

Probably more like a viaduct for him

Think outer space, not of this earth.

A black hole.

[garybear]

Think outer space, not of this earth.

A black hole.

That frightens me...the gravitational pull of him through a black hole might just cause the Earth to get sucked in behind him. :eek3:

[insightbyjake]

Has anyone ever had a gall bladder attack? Oh LORD, this could possibly be the worst pain I've ever been in. I have to have an ultrasound on my liver and gall bladder tomorrow and then I'll know if that is what is causing my pain.

It hurts right under my rib cage on the right side and on my back at the same place (sort of at the bottom of my shoulder blade. It comes on as soon as I eat anything, even bland things. It hurts really bad. They say pregnancy can cause gall bladder issues, so they did some blood work today and I have that ultrasound tomorrow. I'm afraid to eat anything, but I have to eat because of the baby. I feel like crying. :(

A gallbladder "attack" is usually acute cholecystitis -- which, is a sudden inflammation of the gall bladder that usually causes severe abdominal pain.

You may have gallstones (which occur more frequently in women than men). These are hard, pebble-like deposits that form inside the gallbladder. (By the way, gallstones are more common during pregnancy.)

Good Luck!!

P.S. On a different "health" issue....I HATE the common cold.

It is nothing but annoying. You can work, and function, but you hate every minute of functioning with the dizzy head, runny-nose, and bad-sounding voice.

Not a Gallbladder issue....but still annoying!!!

[insightbyjake]

That frightens me...the gravitational pull of him through a black hole might just cause the Earth to get sucked in behind him. :eek3:

Well, we could get lucky....perhaps the pull would only influence those working with him.

And those living with him.

And those related to him.

And those who are his fans.

And his "hoodlum" buddies......


Oh hell, you're right....might as well suck the whole earth in as well.

[garybear]

Well, we could get lucky....perhaps the pull would only influence those working with him.

And those living with him.

And those related to him.

And those who are his fans.

And his "hoodlum" buddies......


Oh hell, you're right....might as well suck the whole earth in as well.
And those that once loved him and then realized who he really is.

Yep, you are right... we are gonners!

[LisaP]

You folks crack me up. I've had a BUNCH of "shy people" contact me...I was referring in the post to only 1 or 2 people, (a-hem #1...yes YOU...you know who you are...I'm still waiting to hear from you, but I digress). I guess guilt works!

We seem to have A LOT of interest in the last Saturday of January, so that's our definite date. Next up: WHERE? I love the idea of Balboa Park. It's free, kid friendly, pet friendly, wide open and public. Maybe a picnic? Each bring your own food and maybe a bag of chips or 6 pack of soda to share? We'll have brownies and fudge (YUM). What are your thoughts?

Tell you what, PM me your email address (I promise to keep it private!) and I'll send out what I'm thinking about details (I don't want to publish it here...in case YOU KNOW WHO is watching!).

You have my e-mail address and I am really gonna try to make it. I know that I have a Memorial Service/Celebration of Life that day, so it will all depend on the time and place.

[Halinn]

Yuck colds..............the worst is when you allow people into your house and they give you the "euro Flu" And your husband thinks you are weird for being SUPER clean. I knew those "green noses" were not a good thing:rolleyes:

We now are suffering.............:dead

[WhoMe]

Gallstones? Ouch! I just had kidney stones this year. Made my husband sit for about 3 hours with his fist in the side of my back (apparently on my kidney!) because outside pressure relieved a little of the pain. They didn't know until the CAT scan what it was. Never care to go through that again. Sorry you're in it while pregnant...can't take the good drugs for pain. Hope they find a way to make you comfortable soon!

And Jake as a recent recoveree - colds DO suck.

Garybear...our IT person (singular) is out of the country on vacation and someone thought it was a great time to move the office...email servers included of course. DOH! The sporadic email is entertaining. nothing for 2 hours...then 31 new things. Maybe FH's hoodlum buddies could take a whack at it.

[insightbyjake]

You have my e-mail address and I am really gonna try to make it. I know that I have a Memorial Service/Celebration of Life that day, so it will all depend on the time and place.

I find it a sad irony that we, the "living," host a "celebration of life" ceremony for the not-living.

As if the departed wouldn't want to say, "Hey! I'm not living!!! Quit it with the 'Celebration of Life!!'"

Why is it we don't call it a "Celebration of Death?"

Cause we're celebrating that we, who are still alive, and you, whom we used to love greatly, are not on the same team anymore.

[SDGirl87]

Well, we HAVE heard that parts of him are "itsy bitsy". Perhaps that is what our friend GaryBear is referring to.

I'm just sayin'

*SHUDDER*


float down the drain like the itsy bitsy spider?

[SDGirl87]

STILL waiting for "THE" shy person. Though I must admit, I'm grinning from all of the many of you who have timidly owned up to it in PM...lol.

There is but ONE person at this juncture from whom I have not heard, but who made the promise to attend a January function, if it fit into their schedule.

I shall continue to wait, breathless. Come out come out wherever you are...

If you THINK it's you, it could be....

[pax]

I think it's me.

And I think I'm in lust at Jake.

(I worded it that way on purpose. If I wrote "I'm in lust with Jake" that would imply his consent.)

[garybear]

Well, we HAVE heard that parts of him are "itsy bitsy". Perhaps that is what our friend GaryBear is referring to.

I'm just sayin'

*SHUDDER*

I want to clarify my earlier statement that I have no personal, intimate knowledge of him being itsy, bitsy. I trust what others have said and for the love of all that is good and sane, I would not go near him with a ten foot pole!

[SDGirl87]

Nope. Not you :)


I think it's me.

And I think I'm in lust at Jake.

(I worded it that way on purpose. If I wrote "I'm in lust with Jake" that would imply his consent.)

[SDGirl87]

Oops...sorry Garybear.

I in NO WAY intended to imply that you had any first, second or even third hand knowledge of whether or not what we have all heard here on our public forum is true or not.

I believe that you are indeed far too intelligent and wise to go anywhere near XXXXXXL. (or is it XXXXXXS?? or is it EXCESS?)

[pax]

Nope. Not you :)

Am I still invited?

[SDGirl87]

Am I still invited?

Without you, there will be NO PARTY! Of course you are :) Bring the whole fam damily!

[pax]

Without you, there will be NO PARTY! Of course you are :) Bring the whole fam damily!

:) If I say so myself, we are a frickin fun group (my family that is. Though I'm sure it also applies to the DC.)

[LisaP]

I find it a sad irony that we, the "living," host a "celebration of life" ceremony for the not-living.

As if the departed wouldn't want to say, "Hey! I'm not living!!! Quit it with the 'Celebration of Life!!'"

Why is it we don't call it a "Celebration of Death?"

Cause we're celebrating that we, who are still alive, and you, whom we used to love greatly, are not on the same team anymore.

I understand your points jake. Haven't put a lot of thought into what will happen when I die, but don't really think I want anything. Then again, these things seem to be for the people that are here, and sadly at times, these are the only times that they gather. And really, you only have so much control over what people do while you are alive, and you don't gain much more when you are dead.

[garybear]

Oops...sorry Garybear.

I in NO WAY intended to imply that you had any first, second or even third hand knowledge of whether or not what we have all heard here on our public forum is true or not.

I believe that you are indeed far too intelligent and wise to go anywhere near XXXXXXL. (or is it XXXXXXS?? or is it EXCESS?)
I did not believe you did. It was just the thought that came into my head was beyond revolting and it was either months of therapy bills or take the 1st step in recovery and admit that I was powerless over the thought and just kick the habit so to speak. I felt much better after my post. Outside of somewhat intelligent, I am not money hungry nor too young and stupid to fall for his tricks : )

[wanky]

SDGirl, is it Boris? BTW, where has Boris been lately??? I think the only way Boris will show up at any DC function is if we make it a costume party. He'll be Mr. T (hahahaha) I can't seem to shake off that image in my head when thinking of him.

[OneKidOneDogMom]

SDGirl87, obviously it's not ME! I don't have a shy bone in my body, huh?

I know who it is....and I'm sure if they are reading this THEY know who they are, too!

I vote for Balboa Park - chances are the weather will cooperate :) Worse case scenario, we just pile in our cars and go to a local Starbucks! (Been there, done that)

I'm prepared to bring fudge for all that want it - maybe that will entice some of our "shy" people to come out and play :cheers:

[OneKidOneDogMom]

Hey - I just checked the Member List and our friend Carl Jr. has been around reading today....

Hi Carl!

[Trixie]

How do you check the member list? I'd give it the old college try, but I'm a little 'puter 'tarded.

Also, was anyone (myself excluded) brave enough, and willing to own up to viewing Rosa's holiday card? I think it is her and her sister. I'll post it if anyone is interested.

[ElizabethAZ]

The shy one isn't blowing you off. She has a secret--she is actually moving to Arizona that weekend, at the same time as iamsheens. The lush!

[RowdyOne]

Hey - I just checked the Member List and our friend Carl Jr. has been around reading today....

Hi Carl!And Wonk hasn't been checking on us since Sunday. C'mon back, Wonk, I miss your contribs!

[insightbyjake]

I understand your points jake. Haven't put a lot of thought into what will happen when I die, but don't really think I want anything. Then again, these things seem to be for the people that are here, and sadly at times, these are the only times that they gather. And really, you only have so much control over what people do while you are alive, and you don't gain much more when you are dead.

Here ye, Here ye,....

I want people to hold a celebration of who I am while ALIVE!!!

Bring stories of my "wins" AND my "losses."

Tell me how to be better while LIVING -- rather than pretending I was better, now that I am DEAD!

The worst piece of sh*t on the planet dies...and people say, "He had good intentions!"

Long-term memory diffuses fact.

It's funny, every baby is the "greatest baby around." Okay, so where do all the as*h*les come from?

Every dead adult was " a great person." Okay, so where did all the as*h*les come from?!?!?!

[ElizabethAZ]

And Wonk hasn't been checking on us since Sunday. C'mon back, Wonk, I miss your contribs!

I'm glad he is at least checking in. He hasn't posted since November. Come back out of lurkdom, Wonk!

If you don't log in, does GA still record you as having visited? I only log in if I'm posting, but I read everyday.

[Trixie]

I just figured out how to check the member list. << rubbing knuckles on chest, proud of accomplishment >>

But what is Carl Jr's member name?

[OneKidOneDogMom]

How do you check the member list? I'd give it the old college try, but I'm a little 'puter 'tarded.

It's easy! Look up above - there's a toolbar-type thing that lists: User CP, FAQ, Member List, Calendar.....

Click on Member List and then you'll see a bar with all the alphabet. You can either search by the first letter of the screen name or you can go over to the far right and there is an option called "Search Member" (right under all the page numbers available).

If you click on "Search Member" you can enter a screen name and search from there.

[OneKidOneDogMom]

I just figured out how to check the member list. << rubbing knuckles on chest, proud of accomplishment >>

But what is Carl Jr's member name?

Congratulations!

And Carl's screen name is SoCalAttorney....

[Trixie]

Congratulations!

And Carl's screen name is SoCalAttorney....

Or, as I would nick name him : SoakAllAttorney

[ElizabethAZ]

Long-term memory diffuses fact.

It's funny, every baby is the "greatest baby around." Okay, so where do all the as*h*les come from?

Every dead adult was " a great person." Okay, so where did all the as*h*les come from?!?!?!

I agree, Jake. My other question is, why is it that every time some juvenile delinquent kills people, everyone says "Oh my goodness, I can't believe s/he would do this, they've never been in trouble before, blah blah blah."

Yeah RIGHT. I taught eighth grade, and trust me, you can tell which kids will be starring on Cops in a few years.

[Trixie]

http://jeffandjer.star941sandiego.com/rosa_christmascard.html

[ElizabethAZ]

Eeeeuuuuuwww, Trixie, my burning eyeballs! Nooo!!

Exploitation of the elderly is never kind. Just post the link, for goodness' sakes.

[MomCat]

Is it me?:gle:


STILL waiting for "THE" shy person. Though I must admit, I'm grinning from all of the many of you who have timidly owned up to it in PM...lol.

There is but ONE person at this juncture from whom I have not heard, but who made the promise to attend a January function, if it fit into their schedule.

I shall continue to wait, breathless. Come out come out wherever you are...

If you THINK it's you, it could be....

[Wabbitsd]

My new best friend Carl is probably trying to collect ISP numbers. When construction in the area slows down, and god knows, by the skin of his teeth, Mr. "I'm an attorney, if you are possibly looking for an in-house attorney, i can send my resume with my Dad as my primary character witness" could use a side line to bring in some chump change. FH probably didn't even comp him Jingle Ball tix. Times are tough in this construction office/wish I were a big time attorney office in Santee.

Carl...you never call, you only pm, you never post, you never e-mail, you never serve writs or deliver lawyerly diatribes. I'm starting to think our romance is going sour.

I was just wondering...we have a shy one amongst us?

[insightbyjake]

I agree, Jake. My other question is, why is it that every time some juvenile delinquent kills people, everyone says "Oh my goodness, I can't believe s/he would do this, they've never been in trouble before, blah blah blah."

Yeah RIGHT. I taught eighth grade, and trust me, you can tell which kids will be starring on Cops in a few years.

I work with educators. I redesign curriculum, write textbooks, and test learning strategies. I teach 12 to 15 year-olds on a daily basis.

So many of these kids are willing to do anything to "be smart."

I've a PH. D in Instructional Design and have done this work for more than a decade in Compton, Inglewood, and South-Central ....but all I "know" is worthless against a gang-bang family that is convinced, "our kids need to support the family."

There are so many kids out there that "represent" the family's "code," it becomes impossible to educate them. One can only hope to remove them from the influence of their ignorant parents.

"STUPID lasts forever."

I just want to save a few, special, little ones that think they can "do it." I just want to let these children know, they are not defined by their parents.....they are afforded the opportunity to go beyond their parents.

Maybe I should have done a radio-gig that pays $2 million a year......Maybe I'm a loser and these guys are "STARS!"

No.....I don't think so........I'd take my life over their "life" any day....

Happy New Year my friends!

[LisaP]

:bow: to jake!

[insightbyjake]

Keep on rockin' in the...awwww never mind!
Rehab: It's like time out for kids!

I HATE "time-out." Do we really want to teach our kids that being "alone" in a quiet state is "punishment?"

I want my kid to cherish being alone and contemplating life.

I want my kid to treasure time with herself...void of interruption.

I want my kid to value solitude.

So, in an effort to do the "modern" parenting game,....I'll "punish" my kid by making her spend time "alone," "in silence."

WRONG!!!!

Time alone is a gift we give to our children. It teaches more than words teach.

To make time alone a "punishment," is a weak form of parenting.

I HATE TIME-OUTS!!!

[SDReadhead]

I've a PH. D in Instructional Design and have done this work for more than a decade in Compton, Inglewood, and South-Central ....
No.....I don't think so........I'd take my life over their "life" any day....

Happy New Year my friends!

Jake, I just knew you were a doctor (now, all you ladies on the board, settle down! I don't mean that kind of "doctor":naughty: ). You know what's classy -- that you've been dating all us ladies for months and didn't brag about your educational status. That's why we luvs us some Dr. Jake.

When I die, I want a big old Irish wake with Irish dancing and plenty of whiskey. It's not so that people will talk about how great I was (I already know how great I am :P ;) it's to keep my kids and relatives busy for a few days while they get over the shock and ease themselves into the idea that I'm gone. Whenever I've lost loved ones, even those who I knew had very little time left, there was a sense of shock and finality when they did pass. Now, it would be sad indeed if I didn't get plenty of Irish dancing and whiskey drinking in with my family before I fly the coop, but when I do fly away I say, "Party on Wayne! Party on Garth!"

[Layla]

I HATE "time-out." Do we really want to teach our kids that being "alone" in a quiet state is "punishment?"

I want my kid to cherish being alone and contemplating life.

I want my kid to treasure time with herself...void of interruption.

I want my kid to value solitude.

So, in an effort to do the "modern" parenting game,....I'll "punish" my kid by making her spend time "alone," "in silence."

WRONG!!!!

Time alone is a gift we give to our children. It teaches more than words teach.

To make time alone a "punishment," is a weak form of parenting.

I HATE TIME-OUTS!!!
Jake, at the risk of falling out of like with you, please DO TELL what "punishment" you use?

We don't Punish. We discipline.

A short time out is used when a child in our home is "out of control". They are not locked away in a room. They are told to sit down, in the family room, quietly for a few minutes until they are ready to behave. That is what *I* meant by time out, when I first through out the "like rehab for kids" line. Our home is not a prison, there is no solitary confinement.

[Wabbitsd]

I thing there are times for "Time out..." if you or your kid are the kind who goes up and over the top in anger saying stuff or going for the gold ring in arguments...sending them out of your sight for a period of time to cool down is not a bad idea.

[garybear]

When I die, I want a big old Irish wake with Irish dancing and plenty of whiskey. It's not so that people will talk about how great I was (I already know how great I am :P ;) it's to keep my kids and relatives busy for a few days while they get over the shock and ease themselves into the idea that I'm gone. Whenever I've lost loved ones, even those who I knew had very little time left, there was a sense of shock and finality when they did pass. Now, it would be sad indeed if I didn't get plenty of Irish dancing and whiskey drinking in with my family before I fly the coop, but when I do fly away I say, "Party on Wayne! Party on Garth!"

I couldn't agree more. There is nothing like an old Irish wake. The only bad part is the hangover that some get after the fact! I also agree that it gives your loved ones something to do during those inital days. Not that they won't have weeks, months, and years full of loss but there is something soothing about it. I have also found that it is a time that you hear stories that you have not heard in a long time or share something about that person that maybe some people did not know. When my grandmother passed, she had requested that there be no funeral etc... That was also the plan for my grandfather. Soon after she died, he changed his mind. He felt it was important that the family come together to "celebrate" their life. When he passed, we honored both. There was finally some sense of closure for her and one heck of an Irish wake for the both of them.

[insightbyjake]

Jake, at the risk of falling out of like with you, please DO TELL what "punishment" you use?

We don't Punish. We discipline.

A short time out is used when a child in our home is "out of control". They are not locked away in a room. They are told to sit down, in the family room, quietly for a few minutes until they are ready to behave. That is what *I* meant by time out, when I first through out the "like rehab for kids" line. Our home is not a prison, there is no solitary confinement.

Please! I would never presume to tell any of you your parenting is "wrong."

My point is, too many parents "react" to behavior and fail to "predict" behavior.

"Time-out" seems to be a contemporary "reaction" to a child's behavior. The child talks back, or cries and has a tantrum.....as if we are shocked by this?

A child wants one thing: His/her way.

Tell me how sitting alone in a chair teaches a child to relinquish this? "You sit there alone Johnny, until you figure out what mommy wants from you!" Johnny will NOT figure it out.

What "punishment" do I use?

I sit WITH my child and say, "We're going to sit here together, until you can calm down. After you calm down, we're going to figure out what to do, to not be upset. And we're going to talk about daddy's anger about your actions"

"Punishment" (also known as discipline), is all about changing behavior -- not penalizing behavior.

A 4-year-old, requires a teacher of new behavior -- not a punisher of past behavior. Too often we treat our kids as if they are adults that lack skills -- rather than humans without skills.

[insightbyjake]

I'm feeling as if I've offended many good parents. Please allow me to explain in greater detail.

When I was young, my parents would shout, "Go to your room!"

My room was not the site of punishment -- it was a place to avoid further punishment.

I think it is vital that children be taught, one level of punishment is avoidance of further punishment. My "room" was a sanctuary of comfort and peace. My parents would send me there whenever they were too upset to deal with me.

I learned, my room was a place of security -- a place where I could be "me" void of punishment. When things calmed down, I would be called out of my room for a "talk."

The "talk" was, or included the subsequent punishment.

I have a passion toward believing children behave in a selfish manner because that's what serves them best. Our job, as parents and adults, is to teach them, selfishness is not wrong -- it is limiting. It prevents the joy of others. It prevents us from experiencing the joy of others. And, it makes us believe we are better than others.

Selfishness is not a "punishable" behavior -- it is a "correctable" behavior. Does your "time-out" teach this? If so, I stand corrected.

[PRINTER]

I have a passion toward believing children behave in a selfish manner because that's what serves them best. Our job, as parents and adults, is to teach them, selfishness is not wrong -- it is limiting. It prevents the joy of others. It prevents us from experiencing the joy of others. And, it makes us believe we are better than others.

Selfishness is not a "punishable" behavior -- it is a "correctable" behavior. Does your "time-out" teach this? If so, I stand corrected.

WOW!!!!!!!!:bow: to you, Jake!!

[Wabbitsd]

Hmmm. You have some good points, Jake. I've always felt the ten minutes to half an hour that my daughter spends in her room lets both of us NOT say stuff we don't want to say out loud to each other. And you haven't offended me, in the least. It's a different way of doing things, and you have a great point.

I can only congratulate myself in that I DON'T do what my parents did...My Dad would "Spank" us with a three foot long, two foot wide board for infractions. And if one of us (4 girls) did something and didn't own up to it, we ALL got spanked until the guilty party admitted to it.

The "Selfishness" thing is something I've always figured was normal, too. but I consider myself Ayn Randian in a lot of ways, and that the selfishness in my daughter would take a turnaround as she matured and saw that her "selfishness" or her win situation could be better served by making "Win" situations for those around her.

But I tend not to be able to take the straight line when there's a meandering path, even in this.

Practically speaking, I'm now kinda miffed at you, Jake. Why didn't you get out here and tell me all this about ten years ago? You stinkpot. (he he)

[SDGirl87]

Jake, I'll repeat my previous offer. Will you marry me?

[SDGirl87]

Thus far "THE ONE" has not come forward...but I'm loving this guessing game...lol. I'm getting quite a few PMs from all sorts of folks wondering if it's them, and promising to join us! By the way, for planning purposes, we are looking at early afternoon on that Saturday. That may help some of you decide if it will fit in your schedules! Kids, pets, spouses, neighbors are welcome. By the way, if you'd like to come to the get together but you'd rather us not know your DC identity, you can just use your real name, or a made up name. (Sally Lou instead of JJHater4Life) I'll have name tags available and you can put whatever you want. That way, anyone who is concerned about THEM finding out who WE are may have a bit more peace of mind. It may also protect you from us if you don't want us to know that "you" were there!

"THE ONE" knows who they are and I can actually visually see the little cat/mouse game going on. It's...a smile.

No, it's not Boris, but now that you mention it, WHERE has he been?? YOOOOO HOOOOOO Boris?????????

[Trixie]

SDGirl87 - I want to play the word game today! Do you have something in mind?

[Carol]

A clue as to why FH may not be blogging?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20080104-9999-1m4virus.html

[SDGirl87]

Oops! Sorry! I forgot.

In anticipation of THE BIG RETURN on Monday and in preparation for overuse of the word by SirTubsALot, our word today will be...


PLACE

[Trixie]

Now is the time and this thread is the place for the truth about FH and Mootshell to be exposed.
I can't quite place my finger on it, but something ain't right with the Blahgram.

[iamsheens]

LOL Carol love the story....

[Layla]

Selfishness is not a "punishable" behavior -- it is a "correctable" behavior. Does your "time-out" teach this? If so, I stand corrected.

1. I don't believe punishment and discipline ar e the same thing.

In punishing, which is what I got as a child, I learned nothing except fear. Don't do this or that or you'll get spanked, or whipped. I was never taught why my mom was upset, I only knew not to do it again because I'd be in pain.

In disciplining, a child learns what was wrong with their actions, how it affects them and those around them and what a better way to handle a situation would be. They understand WHY not to do something, beyond "I'll get in trouble for it".

2. I believe my time out DOES teach this. The reason I believe that is because of how and whenit is used. My older children no longer require them (5, 7 and 13). My soon to be 3 year old, she's a different story. Her time-out consists of a cooling down period, where, when she is calm enough to talk, we'll discuss what she needs and how we can go about getting those needs met.

Perhaps some parents DO jump to a time-out for any offense. Hitting, screaming, running, whatever. If it is a "go to" reaction, I don't think it's going to do much more than get them "out of your hair", which doesn't "fix" or teach anything more than going for the belt would.

3. My offence was only taken at being called a "weak" parent for using a time-out method. I think anyone who has met my children would agree that I am not a weak parent. I believe weak parents are those such as LBM, whose children walk all over them and everyone around them, or who scream, yell, or hit, in order to make their child conform.

Ok...I'm done...I think we were all safer with politics and religion as topics of conversation :)

[listener13]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Tubs-o-fun was put into a blog "time out" by the station - a little Christmas gift to us - isn't that sweet?

Wonder how LBM is doing in her new PLACE. Wonder if she's got any groceries for the kids in her fridge (other than left over pizza from Oggis, chips and gummy-worms).

[RedWillow]

GirlfromOR - {{{hugs}}} on the gallbladder issues! I went thru the same when I was preggers. I was convinced my son has his foot lodged there, and was grinding his heel! :D Although you may be avoiding it, coffee has been shown to keep your bile duct clear.

**wonders at how vile sounding the word bile can be**

Jake! Wise words about children! We forget that nature makes them selfish in order to survive, but it's our job to teach them empathy.

SDGirl87...I cannot make the meet....I work on weekends. :( I hope you all have fun though, I picture lots of hearty laughter with this group.

As I listened to a bit of "The Best of," I couldn't help but notice how much better the show is when they get rid of the never-ending tangents and go straight to the "bits."

Happy Epiphany!

[listener13]

I'm glad he is at least checking in. He hasn't posted since November. Come back out of lurkdom, Wonk!

If you don't log in, does GA still record you as having visited? I only log in if I'm posting, but I read everyday.

You can log in as a guest, and they can't track that. I'm sure that's what FH does, and probably Moochie after her little "visit" with us (if that was even her - I have my doubts).

[DreamerGal]

pizza from Oggis, chips and gummy-worms

Well, Listener, it looks like she's hitting three of the food groups: dairy (cheese on the Oggi's pizza), veggies (chips) and fruit (gummy-worms). The hydrogenated vegetable oil and the other good chemicals round out the meal plan. So, I ask you ... what's your prob with her mothering, huh?

[califbrat]

Well, Listener, it looks like she's hitting three of the food groups: dairy (cheese on the Oggi's pizza), veggies (chips) and fruit (gummy-worms). The hydrogenated vegetable oil and the other good chemicals round out the meal plan. So, I ask you ... what's your prob with her mothering, huh?

Hey.. don't forget the kiddo's need fiber.. ala pizza box!

[Carol]

Well, Listener, it looks like she's hitting three of the food groups: dairy (cheese on the Oggi's pizza), veggies (chips) and fruit (gummy-worms). The hydrogenated vegetable oil and the other good chemicals round out the meal plan. So, I ask you ... what's your prob with her mothering, huh?

I think you are forgetting the extra fruit she throws in to make sure that her kids grow up strong and healthy. Orange Soda, or perhaps a nice Hi-C to go with her nutrition filled meals.

[califbrat]

oopp.. forgot about all that "liquid" meals she gives them.. so portable for the car/ambulance/police car when needed

[listener13]

Well, Listener, it looks like she's hitting three of the food groups: dairy (cheese on the Oggi's pizza), veggies (chips) and fruit (gummy-worms). The hydrogenated vegetable oil and the other good chemicals round out the meal plan. So, I ask you ... what's your prob with her mothering, huh?

....well, other than the fact that she makes Courtney Love look like Carol Brady, I got no problem with it...........

[califbrat]

your right!! Lets here one for Courtney..hehe hey check out he latest on Britney Spears... perezhilton.com... she is wacko again and in Cedars Sini for a 14 day hold now... how can that be topped now! come on LBN.. jealous?? opps I'm bad : (

[califbrat]

sorry meant oops.. I always mix screw that one up.. must be all my "drinking" during work hours.. heheh

[J&JSuck]

P.S. On a different "health" issue....I HATE the common cold.

It is nothing but annoying. You can work, and function, but you hate every minute of functioning with the dizzy head, runny-nose, and bad-sounding voice.


Jake, we're in the same boat. When will this thing go away? Not to mention that I get all sleepy around lunchtime. I'm not LBM - I can't go off to take a nap in the middle of the day.

[11ListenerNot]

your right!! Lets here one for Courtney..hehe hey check out he latest on Britney Spears... perezhilton.com... she is wacko again and in Cedars Sini for a 14 day hold now... how can that be topped now! come on LBN.. jealous??
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Hopefully LBM is hoping this doesn't happen to her! Someone said earlier Wonk visited this site I believe last week. I know we really miss his pics! I just hope FH didn't get a wild hair and somehow threaten him to leave this forum. I'm not sure if any of you have PM'd Wonk, hopefully all is well

[ElizabethAZ]

http://jeffandjer.star941sandiego.com/rosa_christmascard.html

Thank you Trixie, and yes my orbits are now much more comfortable.

[Texasgirl]

Recent topics:

1. When I was a child in the 60's the worst thing my mom could say to discipline me was, "I am going to call your teacher and tell her what you did." I would collapse in shame. Later, when I was a teen, my near flawless record worked like a charm. When I said I was going to the library to study (instead of smoking something special and going roller skating) people believed me.

2. My first child was easygoing and rarely broke the rules. Then Spitfire came along. When she was a toddler I knew I had to gain the upper hand or life would be hell. There were time outs, but here is what worked the best. I would gently cup her chin in my palm while using my strong parent voice to get my point across. She HATED having to hold still under my control. If she moved, the whole process started over. I didn't use physical force, so when she finally surrendered it was over.

3. Funerals. I am an agnostic/athiest so I try to live every day in this world to the fullest. I'm not spending this life only in preparation for the next. (Of course, I might be wrong, so I do endeavor to be a good person.)

My mother died last year and we had a small funeral service at the nursing home. Most everyone in attendance was an Evangelical Christian. Many minutes of the sermon were directed solely at me, pleading that I accept Christ so that I could see my mother in heaven. It was painful and embarrassing to say the least. It didn't work, either. I know intentions were good, but it was the wrong time and place. So if you find yourself planning a service, please consider loved one's feelings. If I attend a less personal funeral, I go with the flow. But this was my mom...

I'm not in a good place right now, so I will finish later.

DC#44

[SDGirl87]

TexasGirl,

As an Evangelical Christian, I am mortified at what you were forced to experience. I am so very sorry. It was entirely inappropriate and utterly wrong. We're not all like that. I promise. I'm just so sorry you had to encounter such strong armed tactics at such an incredibly vulnerable and painful time. No one that I know would ever ever ever think of doing something like that. I know it probably doesn't help, but I truly extend apologies to you.

[SDReadhead]

Hi Girl from Oregon,
I'm sorry you are in so much pain! We're all thinking of you today! (But girlfriend, if you suddenly have a husband that gets flown back from Iraq to tend to you and you begin to have some heart problems, I pity you because none of us will believe you!)
Stay well and I hope you're brought some relief soon!

[OneKidOneDogMom]

Hi Girl from Oregon,
I'm sorry you are in so much pain! We're all thinking of you today! (But girlfriend, if you suddenly have a husband that gets flown back from Iraq to tend to you and you begin to have some heart problems, I pity you because none of us will believe you!)
Stay well and I hope you're brought some relief soon!

Laughing out loud here - my co-workers are going to think I'm looney!

I, too, sent best wishes to our GirlfromOR....pain while you're pregnant is such a b*tch!

[insightbyjake]

1. .... My offence was only taken at being called a "weak" parent for using a time-out method. I think anyone who has met my children would agree that I am not a weak parent. I believe weak parents are those such as LBM, whose children walk all over them and everyone around them, or who scream, yell, or hit, in order to make their child conform.

Ok...I'm done...I think we were all safer with politics and religion as topics of conversation :)

Mea culpa. "Weak" was a poor word choice.

[Pebbles64]

I love Judge Judy *watch her every night) and I am fond of ya too, listener13, but you missed JJs most famous comment that seemed to be made for Moochelle..."Beauty fades, but dumb lasts forevah." (That's JJ NYC accent)

Oh, and Rod Luck has a beautiful and very smart wife, Sally. When I worked at KUSI a zillion years ago and met her several times I would kid Rod (a sweetheart when you get down to it) and say,"How in the world did you get a gal like her?"

Now Leitner may be between wives at this time.....I dunno.

And true, a lawyer would not send a PM message through a site if he were real. It would come in the mail.


I recently had two Rod Luck sightigs, and he was with this younger gal. One sighting was at the Charger game and I over heard someone ask if that was his wife. I don't think he replied. The second sighting he was getting into a cab the morning of the 3K Komen race (Balboa Park), again with this same girl. I thought it was very odd.

Shello since you have met his wife is she super young - early thirties? Thanks!

Pebbles64
DC #144

[insightbyjake]

your right!! Lets here one for Courtney..hehe hey check out he latest on Britney Spears... perezhilton.com... she is wacko again and in Cedars Sini for a 14 day hold now... how can that be topped now! come on LBN.. jealous?? opps I'm bad : (

If she didn't have two kids, death would be a step up in her life right now.

Additional cargo nominated for a free trip with Charon across the Acheron, every photographer follwing that ambulance.

This just in:

"Lynne Spears Confesses To Giving Britney And Jamie Too Many Time-outs!

;)