San Diego - 94.1 FM J&J Morning Show Drama Club Thread

[Boston]

GGami... I agree. I just got a feeling that Dilbert has a relative.

[iamsheens]

Oh I don't know, some reason I think she hasn't been on yet, but I have no idea.

[iamsheens]

I give up, I can't win....why am I relatives with dilbert? Because I have to keep repeating myself? Seriously, please someone tell me what they want from me. Cause I can't seem to please anyone. I just want to be left alone and not have references being made about me on got apex. If you have a problem with me just pm me so people don't continue posting their thoughts on me and what I am and am not saying.

[imisssandiego]

Ignore it Sheens they obviously are doing this to get to you. I seriously don't understand it. I guess they're not keeping busy enough on their own board or maybe this is some sort of initiation into the "I am cool club". If you weren't here they'd just find someone or something else to make fun of. Keyboards tend to do that to people.

[iamsheens]

haha keyboards tend to do that, I like that. thanks for the laugh.

[RhondaReindeer]

Regarding the nip bit. At about 6:30 Jerry announced that he had an e-mail from a listener to read. He made a point of saying that the guy was a listener from 7:00 to 7:40am. He asked the guy to go on the air, but the listener told him no, to just read the e-mail on the air. Well, Jerry finally gets to it at nearly 8:00. So the guy doesn't even get to hear it. Passive-aggressive.

[JstTizn]

Yes iamsheens, just ignore the snide comments, it's certainly not worth the energy you expend to even respond. There is always going to be a faction that want to keep the pot stirred. Some good old fashioned debating is one thing but no one on ANY board should have to defend anything they say. And as my mother used to tell me if it truly doesn't bother you (and nastiness shouldn't) then responding only brings you down to their level and keeps them going. Put them blinders on and keep on doing what you're doing.

And iamsheens, you're a far better person than I am to be able to take one for the team and listen to their disgusting show and report back - cause I wouldn't do it EVEN FOR MONEY!

[Carol]

Passive agressive, or a made up bit for the sake of having a show they thought would be exciting?

Good morning everyone :)

[iamsheens]

Well they tried getting to the bit at 7:40 i think then got sidetracked till 8 singing the stupid nipple song...that song felt like it went on forever.

My speakers are low at work, I can hardly hear half of what they say unless I put the speaker up to my ear but suddenly I have a customer come to my desk and the volume got loud as that stupid nipple song was playing...it was kinda awkward, the customer looked at me weird...go figure something that would happen.

[J&JSuck]

It seems to be there are some closet J&J fans in here! Hmmm....
No doubt. I can feel the love in this room! LOL! The spewgram should be happy to read this board today.

[Carol]

A side note I know no one cares about:

I really want tortilla soup for lunch, but I dont think there are many places to get it quickly :(

[Boston]

double standard.

And yes, J&J will be happy!

[DreamerGal]

What's with all this J&J aren't that bad, and they "tried" to get to the bit in time, etc., etc., etc.?

WTF?!? I had to go to the main board to make sure this thread wasn't changed to the J&J LoveFest Club. This is the J&J Drama Club, is it not? Founded by people who are tired of the same old tired show and lame bits and plagiarism of other's work. As far as I'm concerned, every post that lauds the show is off topic. Let's get back to the real stuff, shall we?

[Carol]

I thought it was the J&J drama club, not the we hate J&J ALL DAY ALL THE TIME club. Just my personal perspective though.

We have the J&J, we have the drama...seems like we have both :)

[Boston]

You guys have drama alright -

[Carol]

Win!

[Boston]

It's all a game... congrats. You win!

[DreamerGal]

I thought it was the J&J drama club, not the we hate J&J ALL DAY ALL THE TIME club. Just my personal perspective though.

We have the J&J, we have the drama...seems like we have both :)

I don't believe I said the club is about "hating" anything. That's your word, not mine.

If you want to cuddle up to the Spewgram and wax on about how wonderful they are ... isn't there a fan club you should join?

Just askin! :|

[Boston]

Good point, DreamerGal.

I think there's a lot of manipulating going on here.

[Carol]

You are right, the "hating" was my invention and it was putting words in your mouth. My mistake.

I do fail to see who is cuddling up the showgram through. I can see that their is a shift in thought and there has been less verbal bashing of the show, over the past few days/week....

[Boston]

You all deserve halos in here. So honest, so innocent!

[Carol]

You all deserve halos in here. So honest, so innocent!


I really do not think that anyone is trying to earn their wings here, or be accepted into sainthood. Just a quiet time.

[Boston]

Playing the bigger hand - so good of you.

[DreamerGal]

I really do not think that anyone is trying to earn their wings here, or be accepted into sainthood. Just a quiet time.

Well, frankly, I come here for witty reparte between the posters, juicy gossip about the lame-a$$ members of the ShamGram, and quick and clever posts that challenge me and make me laugh out loud. It's amusing, it's fun, it's stimulating.

If I want quiet time, I turn on the radio and listen to classical music ...

[Carol]

Playing the bigger hand - so good of you.

:naughty:

So Dreamer, start us off! Get this board out of its quiet lull time you dislike. I do not think anyone is trying to fight you on this.

[Boston]

I am with you Dreamer! But, apparently we have to watch what we say here, because people get very defensive.

[Boston]

Where's the play by play of the Showgram?

[DreamerGal]

:naughty:

So Dreamer, start us off! Get this board out of its quiet lull time you dislike. I do not think anyone is trying to fight you on this.

Carol, DUDE! Looks like you need to join LBM on a spa day and get those eyebrows waxed!

Where's the diary entry? :)

[DreamerGal]

I guess LBM is just faaarrrrrr too busy to write a diary entry. Poor girl, her life is just so full of obligations and responsibilities. I don't know how she fits in all those television shows into her day!

One thing I heard on the SpewGram last week was Jer introducing the $73 outfit, saying, "Every week" LBM puts together an outfit. If "every week" means "every week she feels like it," or "every week she's not busy with other selfish stuff," well then I guess he was telling the truth?

[iamsheens]

I guess LBM is just faaarrrrrr too busy to write a diary entry. Poor girl, her life is just so full of obligations and responsibilities. I don't know how she fits in all those television shows into her day!

One thing I heard on the SpewGram last week was Jer introducing the $73 outfit, saying, "Every week" LBM puts together an outfit. If "every week" means "every week she feels like it," or "every week she's not busy with other selfish stuff," well then I guess he was telling the truth?

If she knows every Thursday she has to prepare a 73.00 outfit I don't see how she forgets, like last week. Its her one contribution to the show, well besides the dirt that she gets online or from listeners...I mean her job I could do in 5 minutes and she can't remember to do once a week. I don't understand how she one forgets. If she had a real job and had a meeting and forgot, she would get in trouble...I guess its a good thing she is in radio, they don't punish you they accept your a ditz...

[Boston]

So Sheens is out there. Ha!

[iamapes]

One thing I heard on the SpewGram last week was Jer introducing the $73 outfit, saying, "Every week" LBM puts together an outfit. If "every week" means "every week she feels like it," or "every week she's not busy with other selfish stuff," well then I guess he was telling the truth?

If I had a job that gave me money to buy a new outfit every week, you better believe I wouldn't forget! I promise I would "feel like" doing it every week.

Oh, in case you didn't know: LBM!!

[Carol]

I guess LBM is just faaarrrrrr too busy to write a diary entry. Poor girl, her life is just so full of obligations and responsibilities. I don't know how she fits in all those television shows into her day!

One thing I heard on the SpewGram last week was Jer introducing the $73 outfit, saying, "Every week" LBM puts together an outfit. If "every week" means "every week she feels like it," or "every week she's not busy with other selfish stuff," well then I guess he was telling the truth?

Also, does "every week" count if she forgets to put together an outfit and just so happens to roll out of bed and slop on something that LOOKS like it could be one of her crappy $73 dollar outfits.

[Carol]

Carol, DUDE! Looks like you need to join LBM on a spa day and get those eyebrows waxed!


Only if clear channel is paying! Otherwise, I would like to hang around and make naughty suggestive eyebrow movements :naughty:

[iamsheens]

Well, frankly, I come here for witty reparte between the posters, juicy gossip about the lame-a$$ members of the ShamGram, and quick and clever posts that challenge me and make me laugh out loud. It's amusing, it's fun, it's stimulating.

If I want quiet time, I turn on the radio and listen to classical music ...

Dreamer, I miss all that stuff you just described.

I agree, I'm not witty, I'm not funny, there is nothing juicy ever coming out of the show to share, I can't challenge people about what I'm hearing because as a whole the show is blah. I can't read Laura's diary to draw opinions from, Tommy's blog is no longer around *where a lot of us got stuff to talk about*, so yes my contribution is not entertaining...I post stuff hoping someone will take what I am saying and make witty comments out of them or make things interesting.

Maybe it comes off that I enjoy the show but that is not the case. They don't annoy too much but they aren't entertaining to listen to. I do a few heh's (only because I am kinda partial to cheesy one liners)but I'd much rather be hahahahahaha'ing because I'm so amused by them. I'd like to have a hearty laugh because they did something cutting edge on the show that they haven't done before or have done something horrible to Randy. It isn't happening so in that aspect I'm irritated. I don't understand how they make so much money and do so little to stimulate San Diego's minds...to make every listeners drive to work painless, fun, and exciting....all they are doing currently is making it painful.

It honestly reminds me of the College radio station I was a part of through college. Throwing people together with no radio expereince and having them talk about whatever for 4 hours and stretching things out longer than they need to be because nobody prepared for the show. I think its obvious by Laura's outfit of the week. Who decided having someone describe the outfit they are wearing makes good radio? It reminds me of when I had my own radio show and I'd try new things off fast food menu's and describe what it tasted like and why people should buy it....it makes for bad radio!

[iamapes]

It's all a game...

Okay, so IF it's all a game, can I chose the Spewgram to lose? And to lose at everything?! Seriously. Today they lose at "trying" to do a bit at the time they say they will. Their clocks are always about thirty minutes off, except for quittin time. Then it's typically the other way around. I want one of their clocks but I don't think my boss would like that too much....

[Carol]

Okay, so IF it's all a game, can I chose the Spewgram to lose? And to lose at everything?! Seriously. Today they lose at "trying" to do a bit at the time they say they will. Their clocks are always about thirty minutes off, except for quittin time. Then it's typically the other way around. I want one of their clocks but I don't think my boss would like that too much....

well then, I don't think you need one of their clocks, I think you need one of their bosses! Someone to give you some cushy time off when you screw up not only your life but your childrens lives! Someone to encourage you to spin the mess you have woven yourself into, into a heroic tale. While you complain about being forced into rehab...

you know, a good ole buddy.

[DreamerGal]

THAT's the problem. There's no entertainment coming out of those lame A$$ morons who are pulling down the big bucks for working for approximately half of the four hours they're supposed to work. What with the commercials and the lead ins ... "Here's what we're gonna do" ... it's probably seriously two hours of college radio. They gave up years ago, and poor LBM and FH desparately try to fill their shoes, but have neither the talent, nor the humor, nor the intelligence to make it work.

Why, WHY, Sheens, would you be going through so much to listen to that drivel?

[Carol]

Did any of you have a class where the teacher explained that the best way to write a paper was to..

1)Tell them what you are going to tell them
2)Tell them
3)Tell them what you told them

Which makes sense for alot of school paper writting....

I feel that this is the format for their radio show....which makes for a very through paper but a boring...boorriinnggg radio show.

But to be fair, if you are making millions, to do basically nothing except show up somewhere for 4 hours a day. I don't know if that makes you a moron, or awesome at cheating the system.

[iamsheens]

THAT's the problem. There's no entertainment coming out of those lame A$$ morons who are pulling down the big bucks for working for approximately half of the four hours they're supposed to work. What with the commercials and the lead ins ... "Here's what we're gonna do" ... it's probably seriously two hours of college radio. They gave up years ago, and poor LBM and FH desparately try to fill their shoes, but have neither the talent, nor the humor, nor the intelligence to make it work.

Why, WHY, Sheens, would you be going through so much to listen to that drivel?

Oh I honestly can't hear it for the most part...its background noise for me. I work in a car service department so its always loud around me. Maybe once every couple of minutes I can hear 10-20 seconds at a time. I put my ear up to my speakers sometimes but usually I catch the same bits going on and on and on. If I could fully hear all the time I'd probably turn it off after the first hour for a couple of reasons. They have more commercials then any other radio program I've ever listened too...not to mention the fact that every 10 to 15 minutes Delana is talking about the top news stories *not that there is anything wrong with that it just gets repititive* and Cal Walker or whoever is doing the traffic. I would say in a given hour between the commercials and the repeats of news, traffic and weather only uhm a half hour tops is new material...and by new I really mean recycled material taken from the internet...and stories that drag on...I haven't listened enough to figure out if the Dirt is repeated hourly as well...if so that's even less time spent on new material/topics....soooo annoying I don't think I'd be able to handle it on a daily basis.

[Carol]

The dirt kiiilllsss me. All the Entertainment news they use is usually a day or two old and has already been beatin to death by the media. They dont even have information that is current as of the morning (for the most part, unless it is Entertainment gossip they cant avoid updating, such as the Ms. Spears overnight breakdown that landed her in the hospital)

[iamsheens]

The only reason I can even tolerate it now is because its new to me I haven't been able to listen in almost 5 years. It really is for me going down memory lane because I have such distinct memories of listening to Jeff and Jer. I grew up on them...the only way I can explain this is....it reminds me of the one year I got a can of guava jam for Christmas when I was 13 years old...at first I was slightly intrigued because I wondered why someone would give meguava jam,but after about 5 minutes I realized the gift was pointless because I don't eat jam. I'm in that intriguied phase right now, in a few days the interest will be gone. I've already realized they are pointless and repeat stuff and thats very annoying. After 2 mornings of listening *and not the entire show* I can probably write out a schedule of what times they discuss things, that's pretty bad.

Plus honestly listening and being able to report whats going on gives me something to do to pass my mornings at work.

[iamsheens]

Oh no kidding about the dirt. Yest. when I was listening I was hearing things I read about over the weekend. I realize they had a three day weekend but still. Yesturday on my way to work the radio station here does their take on the dirt, called the celebrity scoop *or something* and I heard a story about Heather Mills....no mention of it from Laura. I didn't catch the dirt today so maybe it was brought up but she seems to be a day behind. Maybe Tuesday morning at 10:02 am she does a 5 minute search of gossip and reports it wednesday morning...hence why she is a day late. It seems they play more of the callers with sightings....again it reminds me of college radio.

I used to do the same thing when I had a show, gather information about a half hour before I went on the air...the only differnece is I wasn't getting paid to be on the radio, I did it for fun...if I made anything close to what they made I'd try my best to put on a show people would enjoy. I'd want a husband to ask his wife at the end of the day, so what was the best part of your day...and the wife would respond "this morning on the way to work, that iamsheens is a riot" you know or something to where I made that much of an impact on my listeners. The half ass shows they put together really annoy me for that reason they don't care...

In 5 years from now people will remember them for how they used to be, not what they were towards the end of their career. And sure they were great up until the last few years but they don't deserve the credit they will recieve. They will end up being a legacy in San Diego when at best they should be mediocre...a legendary radio program is great all of their years not 15 out of 20....you know?

[iamsheens]

Well Tommy's blog is back, or rather he has a blog for the three day...

I find it really gross that two of his toes are still black and blue...go to a foot specialist, jeez...

I guess the mens team is no longer called dudes for boobs either because families listen to the showgram and to the station all day...suddenly the showgram has morals? What about this morning when I heard the nipple song? How does a parent explain small nipple syndrome to a young child?

I think getting people involved in the three day is a good idea because there are so many people who do have breast cancer, and its sad tommy never realized it. I wonder if he even knew the severity of breast cancer till the three day? He probably couldn't look past the word breast...I just don't know why someone would want to do the three day with Tommy. I guess its kinda like the regulars, people want to feel like they are in with the group. Do the walk because you want to make a difference, not because some guy on the radio wants you too.

And based on the blog he has yet to begin working out...but is anyone really shocked by this? He need you to be his friend, to keep him motivated....which is code for...he needs friends.

Anyways a lot of the post is still old posting that could easily have been copied and pasted from his previous blogs all he needed was a blurb about how great his mom is doing and how his kids are doing.

[Carol]

How does a parent explain small nipple syndrome to a young child

Anyways a lot of the post is still old posting that could easily have been copied and pasted from his previous blogs all he needed was a blurb about how great his mom is doing and how his kids are doing.

Please, if kids listen to the show, small nipples is the least of their worries, how about a 95 yr old man talk about "schlongs" all the time. *cringe*

[Boston]

Is there a max amount of posts you can have daily? What about the length of your post?

[iamsheens]

Boston you don't have to read what I write or how many times I write in a day. I have too much time on my hands at work I realize, but let it be...nobody is forcing you to visit got apex.

[iamsheens]

Just turned the showgram on, not sure I can listen today, somebody laughs like a hyena...cannot handle that laughing...not how I wanted to start my morning out...

I did notice that I don't cringe at the sound of Laura's voice anymore like I used to. Its just ashame idiotic things still come out of that huskier voice.

[iamsheens]

ok well I turned it off...I think today is a best of show, not for sure because I only listened for about 15 minutes.

I didn't fully understand what the topic was but people were calling in telling what they had worn this week...wtf why is that good radio? Why do I care what some stranger has worn all week? And why were they pretending to be fascinated by her log. I think she said she has kept a log since middle school on what she has worn everyday.

If I could get on the j and j website from work I'd email them and ask why they are airing this crap,especially if its a best of show. ugh!

[Boston]

Ummm.... Don't assume I was talking about you, honey. I was just wondering. Nice try making me look like the bad one, though.

[Carol]

ok well I turned it off...I think today is a best of show, not for sure because I only listened for about 15 minutes.


I was confused too, I switched over while the mikey show was doing their comericals and it was Jeff telling some awful story about getting stuck in Las Vegas because he is a moron and can not plan flights properly (side note: Who leaves themselves 50 min to return a car and catch an earlier flight...and cancels their orig. ticket? He deserved to be stuck just for that sad move) anyways....then Jer came on and said that Jeff was out for the day.....

...and they continued to do a bit that I think I had heard before (love dr: Girl had been on 5 dates and guy had not kissed her yet, she thought he was gay. Again, sad.)

Thank god the Mikey show came back quickly.

[iamsheens]

Ummm.... Don't assume I was talking about you, honey. I was just wondering. Nice try making me look like the bad one, though.

Sorry I did assume, I wasn't trying to make you look bad though. I'm not trying to :boxing:. So if it came across that way it wasn't meant to be.

I don't think there is any number or length people can post in a day though. Is there typically on forums? This is the first forum I've ever been on.

And Carol, I noticed the same thing they were cutting in between segments it seemed like...it wasn't their organized cookie cut show. Plus Cal Walker wasn't doing the traffic, someone on Kogo was. Maybe thats normal?

[iamsheens]

If it was a best of show, why would they need the day off? It's not holiday, they just had Monday off. They really can't work more than 3 days in a week? I really wish I had their job.

[Carol]

Best of explains the lack of Laura's diary yesterday. I have noticed she bails out of doing her diary if they are going to be off the next day.

Ha! Boston called you honey.

[iamsheens]

But they don't do anything, I don't understand why they get the day off? And really even on holiday's I don't understand why the need the day off. They only work 4 hours a day! It's not like they are loosing an entire day by working in the morning....

[Carol]

I guess you never need the day off, but you are right their job is pretty cushy, it must be nice!

[iamsheens]

I guess we went into the wrong profession...although do any other dj's get as much time off as they do? I wonder if they have their contracts set up to get every holiday off

[Carol]

No, I think other Dj's actually do their job and show up and put in SOME effort.

[iamsheens]

No, I think other Dj's actually do their job and show up and put in SOME effort.

Well that's probably why Jeff and Jer are no longer the number 1 morning show in San Diego, they don't do their job. I'm still convinced they prepare 5 minutes before they go on the air...they probably need so many commercials to figure out what else they can talk about. It's surprising they don't throw music into the mix, to kill more time.

[Carol]

Who is #1?

[iamsheens]

Who is #1?

Oh I don't know but I remember someone saying Jeff and Jer is number 6 or 7...let me see if I can find out.

[iamsheens]

what is the call letters for the station they are on?

[iamsheens]

ok I think they are on 94.1 right? If so I guess they do arbitron ratings based on stations as a whole. I thought arbitron did morning shows as well but I don't think so...but 94.1 is the 8th most popular radio station in san diego...number 1 is surprisingly KSON.

[SierraGal]

Good Morning All- I'm sorry to correct you Sheens, but you are reading the ratings incorrectly. Click on the WI07 header to place stations in ranking order KIFM is #1 and KMYI is #6 in overall ranking. If you click on the 'Station' header it will show you the top station 6am-Mid-morning.

[iamsheens]

Good Morning All- I'm sorry to correct you Sheens, but you are reading the ratings incorrectly. Click on the WI07 header to place stations in ranking order KIFM is #1 and KMYI is #6 in overall ranking. If you click on the 'Station' header it will show you the top station 6am-Mid-morning.

No its fine I am glad you corrected me. I just looked at it quickly. I know they update the ratings twice a year in the spring and fall so that means the new arbitron ratings should be coming out in the next month or so...

[SierraGal]

Umm, no. Ratings are done quarterly. Note the headers WI-Winter, SP-Spring, SU-Summer, FA-Fall.

[iamsheens]

Oh at the bottom of the page i read this:

Data are not available for this station/survey. This happens primarily in two-survey-per-year markets where data are released only in Spring and Fall.

But, I think when I learned about it a couple semesters ago my teacher used my city as an example and I'm in a small market. I forgot larger markets do it more often...oops. Glad you're here to correct me =)

[iamsheens]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e391/ritchieg/jj/scary_girls.jpg

I'm not sure what freaks me out the most about this photo.

1) Laura's huge forehead.
2) Laura's blonde over brown hair.
3) Kree's sausage fingers.
4) Kree's sausage fingers with those claws.
5) Kree's blonde few streaks over brown hair.
6) Kree's eyeliner attempt.
7) Laura's leopard print "A" cup bra.

LBM and soon KBM

Found this on an internet search and just had to say Kree's fingers/nails creep me out! I never realized the horse resemblence people refer to until this picture. Maybe I will find more "interesting" stuff.

[Boston]

Funny, I have seen that picture before too. Hmmm... I think I know where you got it from too!

[iamsheens]

Funny, I have seen that picture before too. Hmmm... I think I know where you got it from too!

I got it on page 97 or so on this thread. Where do you think I got it from?

Maybe I'm just not following....

[Boston]

Maybe you're not.

[Boston]

It was actually page 95.

[iamsheens]

oh I was close....

[Carol]

Damnit iamheens, you should know the EXACT page.

For christ sake you graduated college, you know how to cite properly. Learn it, use it, love it. I am not going to tell you again.

[Boston]

She should, I agree - that's why I told her the EXACT number.:)

[Boston]

Any time you guys need my assistance, just let me know.

[Carol]

Well thank god you are here Boston, she needs to pull her head out of her...nevermind and learn sometime. Iamsheens cant just throw random page numbers around and expect people to be okay with it . If she is going to cite a page number it should at least be the right one!

[iamsheens]

Well thank god you are here Boston, she needs to pull her head out of her...nevermind and learn sometime. Iamsheens cant just throw random page numbers around and expect people to be okay with it . If she is going to cite a page number it should at least be the right one!

Being graduated I already have forgotten everything I've learned these past 20 years of my life...

I'm glad Boston is here to correct me when I'm wrong, I'm sure Boston will have to bail me out again when I give false page numbers out and I'm glad Carol is here to lecture me. :)

haha slow day...but that pic I just saw it again and Kree looks like she is on something.... does anyone know how old she is? She looks a lot younger than Laura, maybe its just the trashy eyeliner.

[Carol]

This board was right about one thing, miss Kree has a serious case of meth fingers.

[Boston]

Being graduated? Hmmm.

[iamsheens]

Being graduated? Hmmm.

lol my grammer is horrible...oh well...

[iamsheens]

Just turned the showgram on, pretty sure its a "best of" again. The show starts at 6 am right?

They are talking about words that people pronounce wrong that drives them crazy. What a lame segment. I really hope this isn't a "best of" cause this is bad bad radio.

Words that bug Jeff and Jer that people say wrong:

-Realtor
-Via De La Valle
-La Jolla
-Kearny Mesa Rd
-Carmel

Delana isn't doing the news someone from KOGO is, pretty sure this is another "best of"...or more like "best of the worst", or just "worse of the worse"

I've only had my radio on for 10 minutes and already have sat through two sets of commercials...seriously, there should be some sort of rule you can only play so many minutes of commercials an hour, this is ridiculous.

Happy Friday!!!:)

[iamsheens]

Ok, this is a best of show... or Jeff is going back to the Ohio fair to introduce musician B.J Thomas.

And yet another commercial. It's been about 9 minutes since the last commercial, I'm done. I just wanted to figure out if it was a best of show....I'd be so pissed if I was a fan of the show and driving to work and heard this garbage.

Hope everyone is driving safe, I heard the traffic report is bad due to rain.

[Carol]

Ok, this is a best of show... or Jeff is going back to the Ohio fair to introduce musician B.J Thomas.

And yet another commercial. It's been about 9 minutes since the last commercial, I'm done. I just wanted to figure out if it was a best of show....I'd be so pissed if I was a fan of the show and driving to work and heard this garbage.

Hope everyone is driving safe, I heard the traffic report is bad due to rain.

You missed the best part of the show...

When they were talking about kids growing up and not wanting to hang out with their parents, and Laura was bragging about how C still begs to hang out with her...

:rolleyes: I hear being an absent parent that gets high/drunk/goes out and parties can make a kid kinda clingy when you actually are around...

[iamsheens]

You missed the best part of the show...

When they were talking about kids growing up and not wanting to hang out with their parents, and Laura was bragging about how C still begs to hang out with her...

:rolleyes: I hear being an absent parent that gets high/drunk/goes out and parties can make a kid kinda clingy when you actually are around...

wait till her kids get older...I have this feeling she could end up being wild again in her attempts to seem cool....she will want to be the cool mom who let's the kids drink in the house. Just like Tommy will be the cool dad who let's Eddie's girlfriend stay the night....I predict in the next 5 years he will be grandpa little tommy:puke:

[Carol]

...and then tommy can brag about what a man his 13 yr old son is becuase he is stepping up to the plate and not running off on his knocked up 12 yr old girlfriend (which are a result of his son using the moves Tommy had taught his son of course).

[iamsheens]

...and then tommy can brag about what a man his 13 yr old son is becuase he is stepping up to the plate and not running off on his knocked up 12 yr old girlfriend (which are a result of his son using the moves Tommy had taught his son of course).

Cause nothing screams mature parents then a 12 year old sleeping and having kids together. I'm sure Tommy would be the type of parent who would tell Eddie that condoms don't give you the full sensation...

But speaking of kids having kids, does anyone get annoyed when teenagers are pregnant and the parents are excited? That drives me crazy.

If I had a kid that was pregnant and still in high school I would be pissed. I would not be happy to be a grandparent, I'd learn to accept the situation but I would not be jumping up and down in excitement. *I know someone who recently did this after finding out their teenage son was going to be a dad*

And will Randy ever have a kid? I think he has the potential to be a good dad. At least him and the child would like the same toys.

[shello]

...and then tommy can brag about what a man his 13 yr old son is becuase he is stepping up to the plate and not running off on his knocked up 12 yr old girlfriend (which are a result of his son using the moves Tommy had taught his son of course).

So harsh, yet so true! Of course in Tommy's world, stepping up to the plate means a check once-a-month that eventually trails off to nothing, esp. when baby mama finds a new guy and it's assumed that new guy will now pay for the kid.

[iamsheens]

So harsh, yet so true! Of course in Tommy's world, stepping up to the plate means a check once-a-month that eventually trails off to nothing, esp. when baby mama finds a new guy and it's assumed that new guy will now pay for the kid.

Hi Shello nice to see you and the band!!!

It's true what you say about Tommy's idea of stepping up to the plate. The sad thing is he will regret not spending time with the kids later on in life. One day he will wake up and his kids will be 30 and he will think to himself "When did Vanessa become an adult?" Then he will try to have a relationship with Vanessa and she won't want a relationship with him because he waited too long in life to seek her. These people *and not just Tommy, but the parents who are just like Tommy* don't get it. The less you are involved in your child's life the less they will want you involved in their life when they are older...

Tommy has no clue what kind of damage he is doing in regards to the relationship he has with his kids. It's pathetic.

[Boston]

FH is never going to think about anything other than himself, just like some other people.

[Carol]

But speaking of kids having kids, does anyone get annoyed when teenagers are pregnant and the parents are excited? That drives me crazy.


I have never seen that happen, but the whole Jamie Lynne Spears thing really gets under my skin. Her family just kinda "oh well'ed" the whole thing. Teenagers are irresponsible and get pregnant, it happens, I just hate that there has been...I guess a lack of public consaquence (sp?) for her. UUGGHH, and then she was quoted as saying that her mother was going to take care of the child for awhile so JL could be a teenager. What a great example to advertise.

and dont get me started on Tommy and how often he says he is going to the MAC counter for his very young daughter. I can not think of one makeup item at the MAC counter that is acceptable for a young teenager. That is just a personal view, I know there are many parents who are fine with their 14 yr old rocking the thick black eyeliner all the way around the eye look. I just can not accept that as an okay practice for young girls.

Those young whipper snappers!

/rant

[iamsheens]

Well what doesn't make sense is Tommy grew up most his life without a dad. It makes you think he'd want to be there for his kids...sad he's not. He is the one who will regret it later in life, not his kids. He probably wouldn't even care how much damage he has done to his kids, till Vanessa gets married and doesn't ask Tommy to walk her down the isle, or something along those lines. Either that or he will continue buying Vanessa and Eddie's love. Regardless, it will be pitiful.

I know he can only think of himself but one day (no time soon) it will change even if it is only temporary. It will probably be after he is divorced again and he won't have anyone to turn to.

[Carol]

I know he can only think of himself but one day (no time soon) it will change even if it is only temporary. It will probably be after he is divorced again and he won't have anyone to turn to.

Oh please, he will always find some bank account chaser to warm his bed.

[iamsheens]

I have never seen that happen, but the whole Jamie Lynne Spears thing really gets under my skin. Her family just kinda "oh well'ed" the whole thing. Teenagers are irresponsible and get pregnant, it happens, I just hate that there has been...I guess a lack of public consaquence (sp?) for her. UUGGHH, and then she was quoted as saying that her mother was going to take care of the child for awhile so JL could be a teenager. What a great example to advertise.

and dont get me started on Tommy and how often he says he is going to the MAC counter for his very young daughter. I can not think of one makeup item at the MAC counter that is acceptable for a young teenager. That is just a personal view, I know there are many parents who are fine with their 14 yr old rocking the thick black eyeliner all the way around the eye look. I just can not accept that as an okay practice for young girls.

Those young whipper snappers!

/rant

The whole JL Spears makes me mad too. I know that Britney has her own set of problems and the parents are focused on her but what about the pregnant 16 year old? Who is supervising her? We know the answer because she was able to get pregnant but nobody taking responsibility in helping her have a safe and healthy pregnancy. When she is in Lousiana *or wherever that whole family is from* and the rest of her family is in California, thats a HUGE problem. Who knows what she is up to. Parents who are irresponsible piss me off. If you don't want kids dont have sex.

I do think Laura would be one of those parents excited to become a grandparent. No clue why, just a feeling...

[iamsheens]

Oh please, he will always find some bank account chaser to warm his bed.

LOL, EW! :puke:

Seriously, no amount of money would make me want to get under those sheets....especially to a naked chubby tommy....GROSS:puke:

[Carol]

LOL, EW! :puke:

Seriously, no amount of money would make me want to get under those sheets....especially to a naked chubby tommy....GROSS:puke:

Whatever iamsheens, he is getting BACK into shape. He is going to be a hunk in, well lets see... 200 goes into 34...5.8 times, multiplied by the number of the days of the week, then subtract his mental age.

in 36 "4th meal" trips to Taco bell he should be back in shape!

[iamsheens]

Whatever iamsheens, he is getting BACK into shape. He is going to be a hunk in, well lets see... 200 goes into 34...5.8 times, multiplied by the number of the days of the week, then subtract his mental age.

in 36 "4th meal" trips to Taco bell he should be back in shape!

LOL!

Mathmatically he is, in reality he is not. Just another lie he is telling because he is ALWAYS getting back into shape...how bout just doing it already instead of talking about doing it.

[Carol]

Now where is the fun in that?

[iamsheens]

Now where is the fun in that?

Oh I could care less what he does. If he wants to lie to himself about his weight, exercising, eating healthy, being a good dad, a great son. and the list of stuff he does, that's his choice...but it would be a change if for once he followed up on something he says he is going to do.

If he doesn't he is going to be suffering a heart attack due to his laziness, not me. He probably doesn't make the connection between eating nutritious, working out and being healthy. Eating an entire meal, two tamales, and half a grocery store is not healthy, it screams clogged arteries...more power to him if thats what he wants in life.

[Carol]

Let me know when you get off your soap box. :bigmouth:

[iamsheens]

Let me know when you get off your soap box. :bigmouth:

hmmm.....I'll think about it.

[Carol]

I think you better.

All Tommy & Laura's talk of Hot Yoga kinda makes me want to go down the street to the local gym and see what it is all about. I know there are only a couple people who read this board, but has anyone tried it? I see yoga as relaxing, but if you cranked up the heat, I dont know if it would be as nice....does anyone know?

[WingMan]

I'm waiting for Wii Fit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oNVIcMnZh4

I don't need outsiders laughing at me.

[iamsheens]

I'm waiting for Wii Fit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oNVIcMnZh4

I don't need outsiders laughing at me.

Another reason I want a Wii...that looks fun. Do you have a Wii?

[WingMan]

Yep! It is a blast, really! You don't even know that you are getting exercise.

[Carol]

I love the wii, the first time I played wii boxing I woke up sore the next day.

What is wii fit?

[ZacksMom]

The envious die not once, but as oft as the envied win applause.

~Baltasar Gracian

[Carol]

What?

[iamsheens]

The envious die not once, but as oft as the envied win applause.

~Baltasar Gracian

Are you trying to say we are envious of the showgram?

[Wabbitsd]

I had never heard of this fellow before, so I did a Google, and he sounds interesting....

Spanish baroque moralist, philosopher, and Jesuit scholar, whose works influenced La Rochefoucauld, and later Voltaire, Nietzsche, and Schopenhauer, who considered Gracián's El criterión one of the best books ever written. Gracián wrote in concentrated, terse style. His Oráculo manual y arte de prudentia (1647), a collection of three hundred maxims, was translated by Joseph Jacobs in 1892 as The Art of Wordly Wisdom. It is Gracián's most famous book outside of Spain. When Ignatius Loyola's Exercitia was a manual of prayer and devotion, Oráculo offered practical advices for social life.

"KEEP YOUR IMAGINATION UNDER CONTROL. You must sometimes correct it, sometimes assist it. For it is all important for our happiness and balances reason. The imagination can tyrannize, not being content with looking on, but influences and even often dominates our life. It can make is happy or burden us, depending on the folly that it leads us to. It can make us either content or discontent with ourselves. Before some people it continually holds up the penalties of action and becomes the mortifying lash of fools. The others the imagination promises happiness and adventure with blissful delusion. It can do all this unless you lord over it with the most prudent self-control." (from The Art of Worldly Wisdom, trans. by Joseph Jacobs)
Baltasar Gracián y Morales was born in Belmonte, near Calatayud, as the son of a doctor. During his childhood Gracián lived with his uncle, who was a priest. From 1616 to 1619 Gracián studied at a Jesuit school in Saragosa. At the age of 18 he became a novice with the Jesuits. Between the years 1621 and 1623 he studied philosophy at the College of Calatayud. After studying theology in Saragosa, he was ordained in 1627 as a priest and in 1635 he took his final vows.

Gracián taught philosophy and theology at several Jesuit schools in Aragon, the University of Gandia (1633-36), and the Colegio de Huesca from 1636. He also worked as the rector of the Jesuit college at Tarragona. In Huesca he befriended the rich patron of letters, Vincencio Juan de Lastanosa, who financed the publication of his most important books, and helped him when he had troubles with the Jesuits.

In 1640 the traveled to Madrid, where the court was located, and gained a huge fame as a preacher, partly due of his criticism of the court. Once in Valencia he announced that he has a letter sent to him straight from the Hell. During the war in 1646 Gracián served as a military priest in Lerida. Almost all Gracián's publications were published under pseudonyms due to problems with censorship. As a master of style, he could not expect that his witings would improve when lesser talented authorities had tampered with them. Gracián was repeatedly disciplined, he also lost his professorship, and was put on bread and water for punishment. His superiors characterized him as colericus (choleric), biliosus (ill-humored), and melancolicus (melancholic). Embittered Gracián tried unsuccessfully to leave the Jesuits and become a monk. The third part of El criticón, appeared in 1657. The three-part allegorical novel had strained Gracián's relationships with the Jesuits since the publication of the first part in 1651. However, before his death he partly reconciled with the Order. "A wise man gets more use from his enemies than a fool from his friends," he once said. Baltasar Gracián died in Tarragona on December 6, 1658.

"KNOWLEDGE AND COURAGE. These are the elements of greatness. Because they are immortal they bestow immortality. Each is as much as he knows, and the wise can do anything. A person without knowledge is in world without light. Wisdom and strength are the eyes and hands. Knowledge without courage is sterile." (from The Art of Worldly Wisdom)
Along with Quevedo (1580-1645) Gracián became known as one the leading Spanish exponent of conceptismo, a stylistic form and practice which sought to express witty and original ideas by puns, antitheses, epigrams, twisted metaphors and other verbal devices. The conceptistas disapproved arcane language and insisted that language should be precise and correct. In Agudeza y arte de ingenio (1648, The Mind's Wit and Art) Gracián set forth his views on different kinds of conceit and defined the numerous varieties of literary agudeza (fine distinction; ingenuity). Noteworthy is that Gracián doesn't take examples from Cervantes' Don Quixote, the most famous Spanish novel of all times.

Gracián lived in a time when Spain's power was declining. Wars, corruption and inflation undermined economy and restrictions were placed on civil and religious freedom. At the same time the baroque culture in the country was thriving. Gracián was the contemporary of the painters Velasquez (1599-1660), Murillo (1617-1682), and Zurbaran (1598 - 1664), and the writers Lope de Vega (1562-1635) and Calderón (1600-1681).

El héroe (1637) criticized Machiavelli and drew a portrait of the ideal Christian leader. By 1646 the book had been translated into French and Portuguese and plagiarized by a French Jesuit. Gracián's ideal image of the politician, as presented in El político Don Fernando el Católico (1640), was King Ferdinand the Catholic. In El discreto (1646, The Complet Gentleman) Gracián continued the Renaissance tradition of Castiglione and described the qualities which make the sophisticated man of the world. The English translation of El criticón (1651-1657, The Critick) by Paul Rycaut appeared in 1681. Gracián examined in the book society and contemporary moral decline from the standpoint of two characters. Andrenio, a young savage, is a kind of literary ancestor of Rousseau's Émile (1762), although Gracián emphasizes in his other books the importance of personal improvement. Andrenio is the disciple of Critilo, an ideal man, who advises Andrenio to rely on his reason, not instincts, and not to be swayed by appearances. Gracián doesn't hide his pessimistic views about stupidity and egoism of human beings. In Madrid Andrenio is seduced by Falsirena and Critilo finds a good opportunity to criticize women. Then the companions meet the wise Salastano (an anagram of Lastanosa), travel to France, and finally arrive Rome at their old age.

For further reading: Borges y Baltasar Gracián by Julio O. Chiappini (1994); La poética di Gracián in Europa by Luciano Anceschi (1989); Gracián: Vida, estilo, y reflexión by Jorge M. Ayala (1987); The Truth Disguised by Theodore L. Kassier (1976); Baltasar Gracián by Virginia R. Foster (1975); Gracián and Perfection by Monroe Z. Hafter (1966); Baltasar Garcián: Su vida y su obra by Evaristo Correa Calderón (1961); Gracián y el barroco by Miguel Batllori (1958); Baltasar Gracián et Nietzsche by Victor Bouillier (1926) - For further information: Baltasar Gracian - Balthasar Gracian - Kurzbiographie - la obra de Gracián - The Art of Worldly Wisdom - Gracián and the psychoanalysis -

[ZacksMom]

Thank you Wabbitsd, I believe it to be a wonderful quote as well. Gracian truly had some interesting insights into life and human nature.

Iamsheens, I was not trying to suggest that you alone were envious of the showgram but I was trying to make a point that the Jeff & Jer Showgram will continue to collect praise, and as I have come into contact with various members of the show through social functions, they have all seemed like delightful, sincere and friendly individuals. This online forum, and its companion site have been a shock to me. These people have not personally attacked one of you. Yet you have the desire, and ill will in your hearts to make such damaging allegations and hurtful jokes and some of you even have the audacity to call yourselves Christians.

They do work hard, and they deserve every single penny and vacation they get. These people will continue to live their blessed lives, they will work hard, be dedicated to family. They will go on to live fruitful lives while forums like this; dwelling in negativity will die, not once but as often as the showgram wins applause, as they so deserve.

Wabbitsd, thank you for the invitation to the other forum. I have a feeling though, that after this post, and your misunderstanding of the context in which my quote was posted my invitation will become void. Not to mention the rift in opinions.

Good luck to you all and please remember you can be better or bitter and bitter will kill you.

[iamsheens]

Thank you Wabbitsd, I believe it to be a wonderful quote as well. Gracian truly had some interesting insights into life and human nature.

Iamsheens, I was not trying to suggest that you alone were envious of the showgram but I was trying to make a point that the Jeff & Jer Showgram will continue to collect praise, and as I have come into contact with various members of the show through social functions, they have all seemed like delightful, sincere and friendly individuals. This online forum, and its companion site have been a shock to me. These people have not personally attacked one of you. Yet you have the desire, and ill will in your hearts to make such damaging allegations and hurtful jokes and some of you even have the audacity to call yourselves Christians.

They do work hard, and they deserve every single penny and vacation they get. These people will continue to live their blessed lives, they will work hard, be dedicated to family. They will go on to live fruitful lives while forums like this; dwelling in negativity will die, not once but as often as the showgram wins applause, as they so deserve.

Wabbitsd, thank you for the invitation to the other forum. I have a feeling though, that after this post, and your misunderstanding of the context in which my quote was posted my invitation will become void. Not to mention the rift in opinions.

Good luck to you all and please remember you can be better or bitter and bitter will kill you.

The only thing I am envious of is the fact they make so much for what little they do. Because they do so little of their job I have a hard time believing they earn every bit of vacation. The jobs they have are basically a vacation with the exception of four hours a day. I think we can all agree we'd like to be in their job situation of making so much to do hardly anything...

And I'd like to think we give tough criticism of how the show has gone downhill and how the segments are lame, they are. Do you listen to the show? I don't know how anyone can listen and enjoy the show. I can listen but I don't necessarily enjoy it. Its like a bad movie, you watch hoping it will get better but then are pissed when its over realizing you won't get those few hours back in your life.

I don't think I am bitter, I have far more other things in life I could be bitter about, a radio show is not one of them. Thanks for the post though. I hope you do stick around, your insight and stories of meeting the showgram would be interesting to hear!

[insightbyjake]

....
Good luck to you all and please remember you can be better or bitter and bitter will kill you.

Okay congregation, let's pray for Zacksmom. She seems bitter and, alas, the end must be near.:angel:

[insightbyjake]

... These people will continue to live their blessed lives, they will work hard, be dedicated to family.


Not to nitpick, but you meant "families" right? Cause these 4"dedicated" people have five divorces out of 7 marriages -- with an 8th on the way.

Oh wait, my bad! That is hard work!

P.S. Just curious, which of those marriages were "blessed?"

[iamsheens]

Not to nitpick, but you meant "families" right? Cause these 4"dedicated" people have five divorces out of 7 marriages -- with an 8th on the way.

Oh wait, my bad! That is hard work!

P.S. Just curious, which of those marriages were "blessed?"

Lol I overlooked that but true who's marriage is blessed on that show? I guess its blessed each time they get married?

Welcome back Jake!!!:)

[iamsheens]

I don't think Zacksmom is bitter, I think she is a fan of the show and cannot believe we would say such harsh things. Sure we don't know them but they put their life out there to be criticized, if they didn't reveal so much about their personal lives then we would have very little to say, except complain about their lame segments.

[insightbyjake]

I don't think Zacksmom is bitter, I think she is a fan of the show and cannot believe we would say such harsh things. Sure we don't know them but they put their life out there to be criticized, if they didn't reveal so much about their personal lives then we would have very little to say, except complain about their lame segments.

It's 6:34 p.m. and I'm reading a post by sheens stamped 6:38 p.m.

She posts in the future!!!! Does that mean she knows my thoughts before they are typed? Do I even bother typing the pre-destined words from her past???

My head hurts!!!

[pax]

I love you Jake!

[Wabbitsd]

zacks, sorry you feel the way you do, and I guess "Christians" are as Christians do...

I'm glad you have found those people to be all the good things you believe. Do you also feel it's great to add Laura Cain to the "Celebrity Rehab Club?" to glorify the kind of selfishness that it takes to do what she has done to her children, her husband, her family and all? If you are buying the whole interview in the SD Family Magazine, heck, if you are the "Whitewash Specialist" Kristin yourself, maybe you can explain to all of us simpletons why it's glamorous to do all that, then take a few months off to focus on yourself (some more) and basically take a vacation paid by whom??????????

As I have said before, there are lots of evidently sloggingly stupid men and women who haven't indulged themselves...who truly sacrifice and make a commitment to be the best parents they can be. They are all so odd in NOT taking off for "rehab" on the beach or in Oregon....some of them work two jobs. Some of them ABSTAIN from dangerous substances while they are pregnant, and not too many even get special awards for doing that.

You can bask in all your "Christianity" and willingness to let her slide. That's your choice. You can let a man who thinks it's ok to cheat on his wife, to basically disrespect her daily in his "fake diary" entries, but use that same medium to bray about how she calls him names and turns his children away from him. All while he can't be bothered to spend time with them unless it's indulging one of his preferences.

I think you should reread your quote and take another gander at what you are seeing when you say these people are who you think they are.

Not that you are the judgemental type, or anything. We have that clearly defined, thanks so much.

[SDReadhead]

,,,I was trying to make a point that the Jeff & Jer Showgram will continue to collect praise So does collecting praise make something good? Hitler was praised by many Europeans for bringing order to Germany. Communist Russia was praised for getting rid of a Czarist regime. DDT was praised by thousands in that it could get rid of crop-killing pests, but now we know it killed off many animals to near-extinction. Praise does not make something good, and as I have come into contact with various members of the show through social functions, they have all seemed like delightful, sincere and friendly individuals. This online forum, and its companion site have been a shock to me. These people have not personally attacked one of you Tommy Sablan has personally attacked (verbally) a few members. But the bigger point is that they don't know us, so how could they? Nobody in an LA gang has personally attacked me, but I feel fine about criticizing them. This is an analogy, as are the ones above. I am not calling the J/J show Hitler, Communist, poison, nor a gangster.. Yet you have the desire, and ill will in your hearts to make such damaging allegations the allegations on our board are, by and large, supported with facts from court documents and by the accounts of family members and hurtful jokes and some of you even have the audacity to call yourselves Christians I'm a Christian. I feel no guilt about calling adulteress wife-beaters evil. I don't feel bad about saying a woman who abuses alcohol and street drugs and who continues to act like an old teenager is a poor mother. It would be unChristian if I wished ill will to any of these people. I don't. If you ever happen to visit the other board, you will find a prayer thread where several members have offered prayers for various J/J show members. You seem pretty ready to judge..

They do work hard, and they deserve every single penny and vacation they get. These people will continue to live their blessed lives, they will work hard, be dedicated to family Dedicated to family by committing adultery? By pushing and shoving people they get angry with? . They will go on to live fruitful lives while forums like this; dwelling in negativity will die I, for one, felt negative when I was driving my kids around in the car and had to hurry to change the station while these formerly family-friendly radio hosts began talking and laughing about sex in crude terms. I felt sad that they seemed to feel a need to be hip or "with it" suddenly. I feel positive to know there is a large group of people who, like me, don't feel a need to put up with that nonsense, not once but as often as the showgram wins applause again, popularity does not mean something is good or right, as they so deserve.

Wabbitsd, thank you for the invitation to the other forum. I have a feeling though, that after this post, and your misunderstanding of the context in which my quote was posted my invitation will become void Wabbit, I hope you don't think I'm stepping on your toes, but I think you would still extend an invitation to Zack's mom to visit the other board. Don't be scared, Zack's mom -- you might find that we make a lot of sense.. Not to mention the rift in opinions.

Good luck to you all and please remember you can be better or bitter and bitter will kill you You know what else kills? A numbing of conscience, to the point where what is wrong and bad begins to pass for good.g.

Zack's mom -- we're not really bad people.

[Wabbitsd]

Not at all, SDReadhead...you made great points there. Wonder what Zack's Mom would have thought if her "Zack" had been in the classroom if/when/allegedly Mr. Sablan was threatening teachers. Or if her son were to have been spending the night at Charlie's while Mom was "Feeding her head" as the doormouse would say. Then, cause she's the fun one, she might decide to drive everyone to the yogurt shop to mooch frozen yogurt from unsuspecting teens. Would probaby be a different world once you found out she had taken a quart of vodka and maybe a coupla snorts to steady her nerves.

Frankly, I'm worse than I seem to be, but the others are not bad people. They could use someone to act as a buffer so I don't bruise anyone's feelings, so my invite to Zack's Mom would still stand. I'm a little against doing that out in the open on this main board--but that's just me, thinking it's impolite and a bit rude to the hosts here. Again, I don't wear a "Christian Sash" proclaiming my views when I put on my Tiara, so I'm kindof a country bumpkin in the manners dept.

[shello]

Iamsheens, I was not trying to suggest that you alone were envious of the showgram but I was trying to make a point that the Jeff & Jer Showgram will continue to collect praise, and as I have come into contact with various members of the show through social functions, they have all seemed like delightful, sincere and friendly individuals. This online forum, and its companion site have been a shock to me. These people have not personally attacked one of you. Yet you have the desire, and ill will in your hearts to make such damaging allegations and hurtful jokes and some of you even have the audacity to call yourselves Christians. They do work hard, and they deserve every single penny and vacation they get. These people will continue to live their blessed lives, they will work hard, be dedicated to family. They will go on to live fruitful lives while forums like this; dwelling in negativity will die, not once but as often as the showgram wins applause, as they so deserve. Good luck to you all and please remember you can be better or bitter and bitter will kill you.


Zachsmom, have you lived in this city a while? I have been here my whole life and even worked in the radio industry at one time. The J&J showgram was once a great morning radio show....extremely funny and one I looked forward to. But at least five years ago things starting going South and they have hit rock bottom. From what I can see they all started believing their "celebrity" to where they have become liars and hypocrites to what they preach on air.

You say they work hard. I call whay they do "phoning it in."

From whom are they getting praise? It seems that a great deal of their radio peers don't think too kindly of them. And then there are the ratings - the J&J Showgram ratings don't get anywhere near the rankings they used to.

Sorry to say...the J&J team has seen better days and those days now might be numbered. I don't see them on air anymorein a few years.

[iamsheens]

Zachsmom, have you lived in this city a while? I have been here my whole life and even worked in the radio industry at one time. The J&J showgram was once a great morning radio show....extremely funny and one I looked forward to. But at least five years ago things starting going South and they have hit rock bottom. From what I can see they all started believing their "celebrity" to where they have become liars and hypocrites to what they preach on air.

You say they work hard. I call whay they do "phoning it in."

From whom are they getting praise? It seems that a great deal of their radio peers don't think too kindly of them. And then there are the ratings - the J&J Showgram ratings don't get anywhere near the rankings they used to.

Sorry to say...the J&J team has seen better days and those days now might be numbered. I don't see them on air anymorein a few years.

Shello you made some great points! After reading everything that has been posted a lot of valid points were made. I don't see how anyone would be able to stick up for Tommy and say he is a great man and that he is the type of guy you take home to mom, that he is marriage material, and that you want him to be the father of your kids.:puke: One time someone who claimed to be Michelle posted here and we all tried to warn her about what she was getting herself into by marrying Tommy, she didn't stay but assuming it was her I feel like we all gave her a fair warning and just hope she comes to her senses.

We can come off as mean spirited or judgmental but I'd rather try to warn someone of a guy like Tommy then sit back and hear about another divorce or another domestic dispute, or another sexual harassment case.

I don't agree with Zacksmom but I think she is either new to San Diego and very gullable about who the showgram is, or knows one or more of them and is defensive about them, or maybe she doesn't know the stories we've all heard such as the one wabbit posted about Tommy threatening teachers. Either way she is either a friend to someone on the show or has no idea who these people really are.

I hope she uses this board and/or Yuku to either explain why she thinks we are wrong about the showgram or uses it to re-evaluate her views on the show. She may end up realizing that she too was tricked by the showgram and that they are no longer the show they once were.

Good Morning Everyone!

[ZacksMom]

Zack's mom -- we're not really bad people.

By no means did I wish to imply that any of you are "bad" people, it takes alot more than a few postings to be considered a "bad" person in my book.

I am not going to take the time to defend each statement as the house is a mess after a rainy weekend at home, and I only have a handful of hours until my little tornado is back home. I am sure you busy mothers can understand.

I feel it is suffice to say that my personal interactions with various individuals from the Jeff and Jer Showgram in a social setting have left me with a distinctly different opinion of the group than boards such as this. This does not mean I think you are "bad". I even share some of the same views as you all do with regard to certain situations, such as Laura Cain and her past mistakes. Some of her decisions as a parent do make me a bit concerned yet I know it is not my duty to judge. She seems to have stepped off of God's path, and I pray she will find her way back and be able to give her children the life all children deserve. Tommy seemed like a very kind man, but everyone seems kind the times I have met him but to be honest you can never determine much from people at those events, not to mention I was still nursing so my "assets" may have played a role in his kindness :)

I do not think boards like these are "wrong" or "bad". Questioning those who hold a position of authority is never "wrong". Yet, there seems to be some who cross that line. I do not believe that makes anyone "bad". I just hold a different opinion. I do not believe anyone on the Jeff and Jer showgram is a king or queen to be worshiped; I do feel that they really are normal (although only normal for the wealthy and privileged) people. Some more so than others.

and a quick thank you to those of you who sent me the very kind private messages. I am not ignoring you, I will respond soon enough, my load of laundry has just buzzed!

[DreamerGal]

Hey, ZacksMom. Welcome to the forum. There must be some reason you "happened" upon us. What were you looking for when you found us? Anyway, I need to make a comment or two on your recent posts. In your latest, you claim:


By no means did I wish to imply that any of you are "bad" people, it takes alot more than a few postings to be considered a "bad" person in my book.

But, in your first post, you said:


This online forum, and its companion site have been a shock to me. These people have not personally attacked one of you. Yet you have the desire, and ill will in your hearts to make such damaging allegations and hurtful jokes and some of you even have the audacity to call yourselves Christians.

Your first post sounds pretty judgmental to me. If I misunderstood what you were trying to say in that post, please let me know. But it seems pretty clear that you categorized us, assigned ill intentions and motives to our words, and have determined it pretty audacious for us to call ourselves Christians.

Then you flip-flop the other way, saying you aren’t implying that we’re “bad” people. If you’re going to take a position on something, Zacksmom … stick with it and be prepared to defend it. You totally caved in your second post. I’m disappointed! I thought we’d have a couple of days of good drama around here, expounding on the differences between “Good Christians,” and “Bad People.” Oh, well …

I’m glad you’ve had pleasant personal interactions with the Spewgram. That’s wonderful for you and I’m sure they’re capable of being charming when they want to. The subject of our boards is not to pray for their destruction, or to wish ill upon them and their families. What we do is call them out on their fakeness and hope they “get it.” They started the ShamGram on the premise that “what you see is what you get,” that J&J are regular people and what you hear on the radio is their real selves talking about their real lives. Did you know that Tubby has been charged more than once with domestic violence? Did you know that LBM has had issues with substance abuse since before her babies were born? Have you noticed that Jef likes to marry ‘em younger and younger, and that he has a multitude of wives and children? Does it disturb you at all to hear Jer wax on ad nauseum about boobs and other vulgar subjects, all the while claiming that their ShamGram is all about family?

The Drama Club is not for the faint of heart. If you don’t have the stomach to see your favorites from the ShamGram exposed in all their raw humanness, it’s probably not the place for you, although that’s a decision for you and you alone. I in no way would encourage you to leave. We enjoy reading posts with different views. Please understand, however, if we disagree with something you post, we will jump on it immediately and expect you to back up what you say, rather than let it sit out there unchallenged.

[iamsheens]

By no means did I wish to imply that any of you are "bad" people, it takes alot more than a few postings to be considered a "bad" person in my book.

I am not going to take the time to defend each statement as the house is a mess after a rainy weekend at home, and I only have a handful of hours until my little tornado is back home. I am sure you busy mothers can understand.

I feel it is suffice to say that my personal interactions with various individuals from the Jeff and Jer Showgram in a social setting have left me with a distinctly different opinion of the group than boards such as this. This does not mean I think you are "bad". I even share some of the same views as you all do with regard to certain situations, such as Laura Cain and her past mistakes. Some of her decisions as a parent do make me a bit concerned yet I know it is not my duty to judge. She seems to have stepped off of God's path, and I pray she will find her way back and be able to give her children the life all children deserve. Tommy seemed like a very kind man, but everyone seems kind the times I have met him but to be honest you can never determine much from people at those events, not to mention I was still nursing so my "assets" may have played a role in his kindness :)

I do not think boards like these are "wrong" or "bad". Questioning those who hold a position of authority is never "wrong". Yet, there seems to be some who cross that line. I do not believe that makes anyone "bad". I just hold a different opinion. I do not believe anyone on the Jeff and Jer showgram is a king or queen to be worshiped; I do feel that they really are normal (although only normal for the wealthy and privileged) people. Some more so than others.

and a quick thank you to those of you who sent me the very kind private messages. I am not ignoring you, I will respond soon enough, my load of laundry has just buzzed!

So Zacksmom have you met everyone on the showgram? How close would you say you are to showgram members?

It's okay to form opinions about people on the show, as a parent I would think you would be worried about Laura's children. There are plenty of "Laura's" how do you know Zack doesn't have friends who have parents like Laura?

Is anyone really surprised that Tommy would be nice to someone with nice "assets"? I still think you are naive to who these people truly are. I'm not saying dislike them but hopefully you can understand our views as frustrated former listeners. Maybe they really are nice people but a lot of people here have not had the same encounters as you.

[Carol]

I feel like I am watching a sunday morning televised church service.

Amen.

[ElizabethAZ]

Doesn't Michelle have a Zack? I'm just sayin....

[Murriecula]

Hey everybody - I just did my occasional check of the JJ website and see that T and M were at the oscars - why was he there? Seat filler? I actually don't ever listen to the radio anymore so I don't hear any air news, just web and here.

Thanks.

[Carol]

Doesn't Michelle have a Zack? I'm just sayin....

Does she? Why would she use a different name, instead of her MOOCHIE one. :hehehmm:

Is Michelle religious or does she just follow the secret?

[iamsheens]

Hey everybody - I just did my occasional check of the JJ website and see that T and M were at the oscars - why was he there? Seat filler? I actually don't ever listen to the radio anymore so I don't hear any air news, just web and here.

Thanks.

I think I remember in Tommy's blog he said they were going to be seat fillers. Either that or someone who listened to the show said that...but I'm pretty sure that is the reason. I guess they must have really felt like big deals last night when they were mingling with actual big deals. haha..I wonder if he was telling stories of his experience on the radio this morning and saying stuff like "Angelina told me I was hotter than Brad" when I filled his seat...I could see him referring to people on a first name basis, as if he knows them personally.

[RowdyOne]

Doesn't Michelle have a Zack? I'm just sayin....I remember it that way, Elizabeth.

[Wabbitsd]

Hmm. a non judgemental who tells folks they ain't too Christian.

[wanky]

For Pete's sake Mooch, er Zack's mom, it's okay to admit how much you like it whenpeople are envious of you, I mean of the showgram folks, especially now that Tubby is truly a big deal in my book after having walked the red carpet with you at the Oscars!:rolleyes:

[BigAl]

Hi- ZMom- Say Hi to Tommy for us. That booth sound he make is cutting edge. Patent it now so someother Big time personality doesn't try to copy. Right on, Right on.
Red Carpet is quite the touch indeed. Junior would be envious.
TTFN

[Wabbitsd]

(typical compliment heaped on the FH for his 'expertise')
"Oh, yeah, of course. "little" tommy. Sure, I remember you. How could I forget you? You're uh, unforgettable. So you've gained some weight. But I suppose the gals all still call you LITTLE tommy, n'est ce pas?"

(whisper aside to her friend) "Suzy, remember when I told you about that toady guy who was all drunk and pawing at me at that party? Yeah, remember, his date had her back turned and he tried to pass me a note with his phone number? Yeah, she's still with him, get a load of THAT!!!"

[iamsheens]

So because Zacksmom is pro showgram and has a kid named Zack this means Zacksmom is Michelle? The last time I checked there was more than one person in San Diego named Zack. Or do we have actual proof that Zacksmom is Michelle?

[Carol]

I still think that if someone were to ask Ryan Seacrest about Tommy, Ryan would have noooo idea who you were talking about.

Just something rolling around in my mind as I read this.

[iamsheens]

Hi- ZMom- Say Hi to Tommy for us. That booth sound he make is cutting edge. Patent it now so someother Big time personality doesn't try to copy. Right on, Right on.
Red Carpet is quite the touch indeed. Junior would be envious.
TTFN

LOL BIG AL.

I dont know why any big time radio personality would dream to copy the booth sound, unless they are trying to recreate the early 90s radio sound.

Did anyone see the pics from the red carpet? Tommy doesn't seem to be loosing any weight...and I still don't get what Michelle see's in Tommy...it can't be his dashing good looks because they don't exist, his charming personality because picking up on girls with nice chests is not charming. Sure he has money but I still cannot believe someone would take this so far...

By the way, in picture number 2 does anyone else think tommy looks like the Pillsbury doughboy? His smile is also very awkward, it reminds me of a young child who does that fake smile and its cute, only its not cute when tommy does it.

[ElizabethAZ]

So because Zacksmom is pro showgram and has a kid named Zack this means Zacksmom is Michelle? The last time I checked there was more than one person in San Diego named Zack. Or do we have actual proof that Zacksmom is Michelle?

No proof, just speculation based on an interesting coincidence.

[wanky]

So because Zacksmom is pro showgram and has a kid named Zack this means Zacksmom is Michelle? The last time I checked there was more than one person in San Diego named Zack. Or do we have actual proof that Zacksmom is Michelle?

Take it as you want, but I can state my opinion even if it's not backed up by "truth" as you call it. You can believe or not believe what you want from this forum. Who knows, I may be Zacksmom posting as wanky. BTW, is it true that there is more than one Zack in the whole county of San Diego? California? the entire U.S.? :cheers:

[Carol]

Is that a confession wanky :)? But seriously folks...

Has Moochie been signed on in the recent past?

[wanky]

Is that a confession wanky :)?

I guess you'll never know. :wavey2:

[Carol]

I guess you'll never know. :wavey2:


You tease :happy:

[insightbyjake]

[QUOTE=ZacksMom]blah, blah, blah.....yet I know it is not my duty to judge.....blah, blah, blah... QUOTE]

Yes it IS your duty to judge! That's what we do on this thread. We judge! Jeff is a pretentious hypocrite! Jer is a self-absorbed, anachronistic, out-of-touch, 1950's radio star! Tommy's a wife-abusing, cheating, lying, little-man-complex! Laura's a drug-using, alcoholic, addicted to the "look-at-me-I'm-a-celebrity-in-rehab," MTV life-style! AND, the entire show wraps itself up as "down-to-earth," "we're-just-like-you-guys,"
middle-America, family-values nostalgia.

They are lying hypocrites. They are shallow, sycophant-seeking, people who feel what they say transends what they do and what they've done.

If you had one single, solitary friend like ANY of them, you'd be disgusted and angry at your friend.

"I met them at a function and they were great!" Oh for God's sake!!!! They are paid millions to project what you want to see -- not to project who they are. Go back to the red-carpet, watch the "real" people stroll by....they are so kind and well-dressed....they must be "swell!"

[Boston]

I think someone on this board needs to heed their own advice. Hypocrisy lives!!!!!!!!!!

[iamsheens]

Take it as you want, but I can state my opinion even if it's not backed up by "truth" as you call it. You can believe or not believe what you want from this forum. Who knows, I may be Zacksmom posting as wanky. BTW, is it true that there is more than one Zack in the whole county of San Diego? California? the entire U.S.? :cheers:

I'd like to think if somebody was going to post being someone from the showgram they would be a little more creative with the username...then again they have no creative bones in them anymore. I also didn't know Michelle had a kid named Zack until yesterday so maybe it would make sense for her to use that name.

[Carol]

So, if the showgram was being creative what would be their screen names?

My votes:

Laura-NoseCandyNoMo or cutesexyhotcaligirl6969
Tommy-Denialnotjustariver

[Boston]

Wow. It's quiet today. Did we jump off of the J&J bandwagon again?

[insightbyjake]

oops,

checking latest advice to self.....looking....looking...

nope! Not me!

[SimplyMe]

[QUOTE=ZacksMom]blah, blah, blah.....yet I know it is not my duty to judge.....blah, blah, blah... QUOTE]

Yes it IS your duty to judge! That's what we do on this thread. We judge! Jeff is a pretentious hypocrite! Jer is a self-absorbed, anachronistic, out-of-touch, 1950's radio star! Tommy's a wife-abusing, cheating, lying, little-man-complex! Laura's a drug-using, alcoholic, addicted to the "look-at-me-I'm-a-celebrity-in-rehab," MTV life-style! AND, the entire show wraps itself up as "down-to-earth," "we're-just-like-you-guys,"
middle-America, family-values nostalgia.

They are lying hypocrites. They are shallow, sycophant-seeking, people who feel what they say transends what they do and what they've done.

If you had one single, solitary friend like ANY of them, you'd be disgusted and angry at your friend.

"I met them at a function and they were great!" Oh for God's sake!!!! They are paid millions to project what you want to see -- not to project who they are. Go back to the red-carpet, watch the "real" people stroll by....they are so kind and well-dressed....they must be "swell!"


Seriously Jake, are you sure that's how you feel? Any room for doubt? :-)

[brainsmile]

Too funny


I feel like I am watching a sunday morning televised church service.

Amen.

[iamsheens]

Wow. It's quiet today. Did we jump off of the J&J bandwagon again?

Well I haven't been at a computer very much at work and tomorrow is my last day there so I will hardly be around anymore during the day.

I did try to pull the show up yest morning at work but it didn't work for me, I think its a sign...I'm meant to move on from mediocre *at best* radio.

I did see the pics of Jeff and Randy going to the town Andy Griffith was filmed in. I find it amusing grown men would take a trip to visit Mayberry. It seems like something I would have done in College if I was bored and lived within a close proximity of the place. I'd never take a trip there if I lived in San Diego. It is pretty nerdy of them, I guess it makes sense now why I heard them talking to someone who lived in that city Mayberry was filmed in last week. I'm sure they talked about the trip as an hour long segment too, ugh.

Tommy is back to blogging for the 3 day, same boring crap, new journal, and more about inspiring people to do the three day...not that there is anything wrong with that...I just hope people aren't reading his blog and suddenly inspired to do the three day based on what he is saying.

[Trixie]

I am alive!

I'm making a quick appearance, and quicker disappearance. I have so, so, soooooooooo much ketchup reading to do. I haven't ever really moved to the Suduko site (sorry, is it Yuko? YoHoo?) I have been sick, and I got sicker. After I rejoined the living I had to maintain minimal life essential activities. No hospital for me, just visits, bills and pills (and Ko-Deen cough syrup - hic - ).

So, pardon me for living, but I can promise that I'll read, review and relive what I've been missing (is it much anyway?) It will probably take me along while to 'catch up' (ketchup) but if you promise me it will be worth it, I"m glad the site is here.

Send word to the other side that Trixie is Alive! (Heck, cut and paste this with my permission).
Nice to read and nice to be read.

[insightbyjake]

[QUOTE=insightbyjake]


Seriously Jake, are you sure that's how you feel? Any room for doubt? :-)

Well, Randy and Delana seem okay. Primarliy, I rail against the self-described aspects of the :wavey2: Big Four.

[iamsheens]

I am alive!

I'm making a quick appearance, and quicker disappearance. I have so, so, soooooooooo much ketchup reading to do. I haven't ever really moved to the Suduko site (sorry, is it Yuko? YoHoo?) I have been sick, and I got sicker. After I rejoined the living I had to maintain minimal life essential activities. No hospital for me, just visits, bills and pills (and Ko-Deen cough syrup - hic - ).

So, pardon me for living, but I can promise that I'll read, review and relive what I've been missing (is it much anyway?) It will probably take me along while to 'catch up' (ketchup) but if you promise me it will be worth it, I"m glad the site is here.

Send word to the other side that Trixie is Alive! (Heck, cut and paste this with my permission).
Nice to read and nice to be read.

Trixie I've been wondering what happened to you! Sorry to read you've been sick but glad to hear you are better.

Not much is happening around here...a person named zacksmom has gave us some drama these last few days, there is speculation she is Michelle but other than that very little is going on around here.

[RowdyOne]

Glad you're back, Trixie. Missed-ya! I hope you're recovering well and quickly now. Stay strong and stay around.

In your absence:

a fake non-sensical "board war" developed :argue:

posters have appeared, disappeared, reappeared, and generally appeared to be confused about the purpose of the thread :confused:

Yuku got faster :eye: and GA got slower :yawn:

The spewgram is still boring :sleep: and J&J still suck :puke:

[BigAl]

But you can still retain legal representation via PayPal if a member of the the J&J crew don't like what you say about them....even though they still post pictures of them, their kids, and other information they complained that we exploited...

[BigAl]

How do I get back to my LtJG status that I had then it went back to Ensign. I am all about "Status" you know........

[Carol]

a fake non-sensical "board war" developed :argue:


This never happened Trixie :)

Big Al, I think you have to participate in other boards as well to regain your status.

[iamsheens]

How do I get back to my LtJG status that I had then it went back to Ensign. I am all about "Status" you know........

I wondered the same thing. It seems like if you post on this board it doesn't calculate how many times you've posted, only on other boards within got apex. We must have all lost our status when they combined j and j board with the other temporary one we created while j and j was down.

[iamsheens]

But you can still retain legal representation via PayPal if a member of the the J&J crew don't like what you say about them....even though they still post pictures of them, their kids, and other information they complained that we exploited...

Its ok if they do it because they are big deals and when you have a lawyer who accepts pay pal as a method of payment you can do whatever you want, he will harass you via pm's to stop.

[RowdyOne]

How do I get back to my LtJG status that I had then it went back to Ensign. I am all about "Status" you know........ Jeez, Al, I'm still a plebe and I signed on when you did! When you get to be LtJG again, please promote me.

[ZacksMom]

I am sorry, I must not have enough invested in this board because I feel no need to defend my history or my thoughts on the members of the Jeff & Jer Showgram or explain why I find that Hitler and a morning radio show being used in comparison makes for a weak analogy.





The Drama Club is not for the faint of heart. If you don’t have the stomach to see your favorites from the ShamGram exposed in all their raw humanness, it’s probably not the place for you, although that’s a decision for you and you alone. I in no way would encourage you to leave. We enjoy reading posts with different views. Please understand, however, if we disagree with something you post, we will jump on it immediately and expect you to back up what you say, rather than let it sit out there unchallenged.

Interesting take from the inside out DreamerGal. One question though. In order to expose their raw humanness wouldn't you need to have their full story, not pieced together half truths that are crammed together to make a much more sensational story?

This online forum is filled to the brim with false accusations, demonizing of characters and sensational stories. I will not act as though there are not truths, because there certainly are some floating around. Yet they get skewed because they are paired up with too many false assumptions and accusations. They are to the point where they are barely recognizable as truths.

Stomaching raw humanness is one thing, stomaching false accusations is a different ballgame.

[ZacksMom]

I feel like I am watching a sunday morning televised church service.

Amen.

You do not need to mock my faith Carol.

[DreamerGal]

I am sorry, I must not have enough invested in this board because I feel no need to defend my history or my thoughts on the members of the Jeff & Jer Showgram or explain why I find that Hitler and a morning radio show being used in comparison makes for a weak analogy.

Interesting take from the inside out DreamerGal. One question though. In order to expose their raw humanness wouldn't you need to have their full story, not pieced together half truths that are crammed together to make a much more sensational story?

This online forum is filled to the brim with false accusations, demonizing of characters and sensational stories. I will not act as though there are not truths, because there certainly are some floating around. Yet they get skewed because they are paired up with too many false assumptions and accusations. They are to the point where they are barely recognizable as truths.

Stomaching raw humanness is one thing, stomaching false accusations is a different ballgame.

Are you "irregular," ZacksMom? Or is it "a regular?" I keep getting those confused.

[shello]

From the Human Resources manual when it comes to hiring new staff....

"I'm sorry, Zacksmom, but I don't believe that we're the right fit for you. Good luck to you though."

[iamsheens]

From the Human Resources manual when it comes to hiring new staff....

"I'm sorry, Zacksmom, but I don't believe that we're the right fit for you. Good luck to you though."

Or how about its not me, its you...

[RedWillow]

You do not need to mock my faith Carol.

Sheesh! Chillax!!

[RedWillow]

But you can still retain legal representation via PayPal if a member of the the J&J crew don't like what you say about them....even though they still post pictures of them, their kids, and other information they complained that we exploited...

Hey BigAl! :wavey2:

[RedWillow]

I noticed they are so lazy these days, they couldn't even bother to do a fresh lead-in to a taped bit from earlier in the same broadcast.

At about 10ish yesterday, they played a bit from 6ish....Jerk is heard asking "can we use this word before 6:30???"

[Boston]

[QUOTE=ZacksMom] ...and as I have come into contact with various members of the show through social functions, they have all seemed like delightful, sincere and friendly individuals. [QUOTE]

So, Zacksmom, you meet these people through social functions, and you believe that they are wonderful, honest, truthful people? You don't know them like family, do you? Basically, you are judging them by calling them good people. Well, isn't that a good Christian (sorry, if you think I am mocking your faith)? It is okay to judge if it is positive, but not if it is negative? Right... that's a little hypocritical. You are still, in fact, judging. Because we differ in our "judgments" doesn't make anyone in here a bad person. Agree to disagree, lady.

Also, how many times have you met them? All of us in here listened to their "show"gram for quite awhile, and the views we have established are what THEY portray through the airwaves (which, according to them, is the truth). Granted, some of our views have been VERIFIED by sources that know the "show"gram on a personal level...


Get off your high horse, woman.

[Carol]

OH.my.god.

Boston wrote more than one line. :woohoo:

[iamsheens]

[QUOTE=ZacksMom] ...and as I have come into contact with various members of the show through social functions, they have all seemed like delightful, sincere and friendly individuals. [QUOTE]

So, Zacksmom, you meet these people through social functions, and you believe that they are wonderful, honest, truthful people? You don't know them like family, do you? Basically, you are judging them by calling them good people. Well, isn't that a good Christian (sorry, if you think I am mocking your faith)? It is okay to judge if it is positive, but not if it is negative? Right... that's a little hypocritical. You are still, in fact, judging. Because we differ in our "judgments" doesn't make anyone in here a bad person. Agree to disagree, lady.

Also, how many times have you met them? All of us in here listened to their "show"gram for quite awhile, and the views we have established are what THEY portray through the airwaves (which, according to them, is the truth). Granted, some of our views have been VERIFIED by sources that know the "show"gram on a personal level...


Get off your high horse, woman.

I think its impossible not to judge someone. I'd really would like to see a religious person say they don't judge. I feel its something that everyone does, maybe not in front of others but we all think things about others good or bad.

Boston makes a great point though about how there is no difference on judging rather its good or bad, its the same no matter what. The content is different but your still basing an opinion of someone. If we didn't judge people our world would be bland and boring and our board would not exsist.

[RedWillow]

The envious die not once, but as oft as the envied win applause.

~Baltasar Gracian

Ve git too soon olt, und too late schmart.

Grandpa Phillipsen

[Layla]

A little Bible lesson for ZacksMom, taken from www.gotquestions.org. I'm so sick of the Christians shouldn't judge load of BOLONEY!


Question: "What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?"

Answer: This is an issue that has confused many people. On one hand, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). On the other hand, the Bible also exhorts us to beware of evil-doers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil. How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of judgment about them?

Christians are often accused of "judging" whenever they speak out against a sinful activity. However, that is not the meaning of the Scripture verses that state, "Do not judge." There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise—with careful discernment (John 7:24). When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. Matthew 7:2-5 declares, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." What Jesus was condemning here was hypocritical, self-righteous judgments of others.

In Matthew 7:2-5, Jesus warns against judging someone else for their sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us not to do. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is their Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with their sin (Matthew 18:15-17). This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope—and with the ultimate goal—of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20) and restoration to the fellowship. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We are to proclaim what God's Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, "Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction." We are to "judge" sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences—the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).

[Carol]

Can we just ignore ZacksMom and hope *it* goes away and not get into bible ramblings?

Damn you Zacksmom....DAAMMNNN YOU.

[Boston]

Hey PPCarl - oh whoops - Carol,

Here
Is
Another
Posting
With
More
Than
One
Line,
And
It's
Just
For
You.

[Carol]

:woohoo:

I love when you mix things up Boston.

Love,
PPCarl

[Layla]

Can we just ignore ZacksMom and hope *it* goes away and not get into bible ramblings?

Damn you Zacksmom....DAAMMNNN YOU.

No. If Bible ramblings offend someone they can skim, but if she's going to claim to be a Christian and throw stones, perhaps she should read up on the "ramblings".

[RedWillow]

Thank you Wabbitsd, I believe it to be a wonderful quote as well. Gracian truly had some interesting insights into life and human nature.

Iamsheens, I was not trying to suggest that you alone were envious of the showgram but I was trying to make a point that the Jeff & Jer Showgram will continue to collect praise, and as I have come into contact with various members of the show through social functions, they have all seemed like delightful, sincere and friendly individuals. This online forum, and its companion site have been a shock to me. These people have not personally attacked one of you. Yet you have the desire, and ill will in your hearts to make such damaging allegations and hurtful jokes and some of you even have the audacity to call yourselves Christians.

They do work hard, and they deserve every single penny and vacation they get. These people will continue to live their blessed lives, they will work hard, be dedicated to family. They will go on to live fruitful lives while forums like this; dwelling in negativity will die, not once but as often as the showgram wins applause, as they so deserve.

Wabbitsd, thank you for the invitation to the other forum. I have a feeling though, that after this post, and your misunderstanding of the context in which my quote was posted my invitation will become void. Not to mention the rift in opinions.

Good luck to you all and please remember you can be better or bitter and bitter will kill you.

I hate to burst your happy bubble, but this place probably increases their listenership.

It's publicity.

By the way, your post would be considered a "fighting" post in the world of message boards. It's the kind of post that "trolls" make. Trolls aren't interested in getting to know the "community" they just joined, they want to start a fight, or insult the members.

Your tone suggests you came in here with a chip on your shoulder.

Oh, and excuse me? You're shocked by this place????

Really???

I've listened to Jumbo and Jerk since they came to San Diego. Their humor has almost always been at the expense of their listeners!! Insults are their bread-and-butter.

[Boston]

PPCarl,

Love - I don't just throw that term out there. Sorry! No love on this end.

[Carol]

I've listened to Jumbo and Jerk since they came to San Diego. Their humor has almost always been at the expense of their listeners!! Insults are their bread-and-butter.


I have to agree with this! There have been a number of times that my jaw has fallen open when I heard their insults.

I might have already mentioned this but..

A few months back they were talking about things they feel they need to acomplish, or life goals..something like that. They started taking calls, and a young man called in with a really thoughtful, beautiful list. They all agreed it was a great list produced by a very wise man and they then started talking to this guy. He was in his very early twenties and was attending Mira Costa Community College. The caller then shared that his career goal was to be an orthopedic surgon (sp?). They burst out laughing and mocking his goal and where he was getting his education before transfering and basically told him that he would never make it.....

that is the day I stopped listening to them.

[Carol]

PPCarl,

Love - I don't just throw that term out there. Sorry! No love on this end.

I can accept that this love will be one sided.

[Boston]

Have fun with it, then.

[Boston]

PPCarl,

Do you always get this fiesty when you get called out?

[Carol]

My posts were not written with fiesty intent. Maybe they come off as such because they are short?

I also didn't know I was being called out. :gle:

[Boston]

Innocent, whoops - I forgot.

[Transplant]

PPCarl,

Love - I don't just throw that term out there. Sorry! No love on this end.

I don't toss out the "love" either...but LUST....now that's another thing! (IT'S SO WICKED!)

[Boston]

Transplant - you are too much!

[Transplant]

Transplant - you are too much!

I know I AM! That's why i love myself so much....and if i order a tonic....I FREAKIN' WANT A COKE!

[Transplant]

I also knew the answer to 35 across in Tuesdays SD U~T NYTimes cross word puzzle.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2331/2192590460_acf2b16fd6_o.jpg

[iamsheens]

A little Bible lesson for ZacksMom, taken from www.gotquestions.org. I'm so sick of the Christians shouldn't judge load of BOLONEY!

Interesting article Layla.

There are far worse things people in society are doing and judging seems so minimal in the scheme of things. If the worse thing a person is doing is judging then I'd say they are living a pretty decent life.

[Boston]

What else have you done today, Transplant?

[Transplant]

Okay ZacksMom....aren't you a little tired now? Those step exerciser's (aka soap boxes) give a great workout. . . don't they? When you step up and down and back and down....great cardio!

[iamsheens]

I know I AM! That's why i love myself so much....and if i order a tonic....I FREAKIN' WANT A COKE!

LOL...:)

classic, I love it!

[Transplant]

What else have you done today, Transplant?

I went to the packie today....and had a frappe a few ago...

[Transplant]

What else have you done today, Transplant?

BTW....it's almost the 1st of MaHHHch....did you get you'ah new T pass?

[Boston]

What's more important is that the Sox reported to Spring Training.

[Transplant]

Where does the purple line go?

[Boston]

I stick with the orange.

[Transplant]

I stick with the orange.


Outta Meffah?

[Boston]

Mahhhden

[Transplant]

Mahhhden

Ayuh....

(are the rest of you keeping up with this?)

[Carol]

I really want to visit Boston again, now.

My husband has yet to go to the east coast, and has never been on a subway.:thud:

[Boston]

Oh no...

[Carol]

No. If Bible ramblings offend someone they can skim, but if she's going to claim to be a Christian and throw stones, perhaps she should read up on the "ramblings".

Fair enough, bible, prayer, god etc. does not offend me. That was not directed towards you specifically BTW.

It just seems like bringing religion into the whole thing gives ZM reason to stick around longer and continue to grasp at straws in an effort to poorly justify itself (but not defend of course:rolleyes: )

[DreamerGal]

A little Bible lesson for ZacksMom, taken from www.gotquestions.org. I'm so sick of the Christians shouldn't judge load of BOLONEY!

Sister Layla?

[DreamerGal]

Interesting article Layla.

There are far worse things people in society are doing and judging seems so minimal in the scheme of things. If the worse thing a person is doing is judging then I'd say they are living a pretty wholesome life.

Actually, Sheens. Just one example, judging can be pretty damaging, especially if done by one parent sharing opinions and judgment to the children about the other parent. Wholesome? I think not!

[Layla]

Sister Layla?
I've been know to "speak in tongues" too...watch out :gle:

[Transplant]

I really want to visit Boston again, now.

My husband has yet to go to the east coast, and has never been on a subway.:thud:

How about on Evacuation Day?

I'm a page turning fool today!

[Carol]

Evacuation day is too soon :(

We decided to go to Costa Rica this summer and that sucks up all our funds.

Maybe Tommy will pay if I ask nicely....

[iamsheens]

Actually, Sheens. Just one example, judging can be pretty damaging, especially if done by one parent sharing opinions and judgment to the children about the other parent. Wholesome? I think not!

No wholesome was a bad choice of words on my part. I couldn't think of the word I wanted to use.

I don't think judging is good in the aspect that kids judge their peers and thats how children face self esteem issues at such a young age. I still think judging is a part of life we can't escape though and it starts at a young age and continues through life.

I think the point I was trying to make is that there are far worse things people can be doing in life, look at our showgram "friends" for example....they cheat, do drugs, have alcohol problems, are jerks, perverted, and so on. In comparison judging does not seem as bad to other things people can be doing. I dont know if I'm making sense or not.

[iamsheens]

Interesting article Layla.

There are far worse things people in society are doing and judging seems so minimal in the scheme of things. If the worse thing a person is doing is judging then I'd say they are living a pretty decent life.

I changed it from wholesome to decent, still not sure that I like that term but it is better than what I had.

[Carol]

Edited to make iamsheens look crazy.

[iamsheens]

yeah i was going to get into that too but I figured people knew that everything depends on the situation.

It's sad that so many parents are vocally judgmental around their children, the kids typically end up being just like the parents at a young age.

[InvisibleElf]

Edited to make iamsheens look crazy.

Just the last post or the last 10+ pages?

bad friend. bad friend.

[iamsheens]

Edited to make iamsheens look crazy.

Carol, I think I can make myself look crazy without you editing your posts.

[Boston]

Bingo!

[wonkatania]

I JUDGE THEREFORE I AM:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7676/whackaspewlh6.gif

[ElizabethAZ]

In order to expose their raw humanness wouldn't you need to have their full story, not pieced together half truths that are crammed together?


You see, ZM, a lot of our frustration comes for the very fact that the showgram indeed does NOT portray the truth. THEY choose to give us only half-truths and facades--this is actually the main complaint, that there is much more to the story than average listeners realize.

[wonkatania]

.....I was trying to make a point that the Jeff & Jer Showgram will continue to collect praise, and as I have come into contact with various members of the show through social functions, they have all seemed like delightful, sincere and friendly individuals (AKA HYPOCRITES). This online forum, and its companion site have been a shock to me. These people have not personally attacked one of you (Obviously has not read entire site RE: Tubby's calls to some of the posters here). Yet you have the desire, and ill will in your hearts to make such damaging allegations and hurtful jokes (BASED ON TRUE EVENTS PUT OUT IN THE AIRWAVES AND WEB BY THEM AND THEREFORE BECOME FAIR GAME)and some of you even have the audacity to call yourselves Christians (SORT OF LIKE HMMMM...THAT'S RIGHT JEFF).

They do work hard, and they deserve every single penny and vacation they get (BASED ON WHAT, HOW DO THEY BENEFIT MANKIND OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER?). These people will continue to live their blessed lives, they will work hard, be dedicated to family (JEFF IS ON HIS THIRD OR FOURTH FAMILY, LAURA PISSED HERS AWAY, TUBBY PISSED HIS AWAY AS WELL AND DOES NOT SEEM VERY DEDICATED, AND JER DOES NOT EVEN LIKE KIDS). They will go on to live fruitful lives while forums like this; dwelling in negativity will die, not once but as often as the showgram wins applause, as they so deserve (WE HAVE BEEN ATTACKED BEFORE AND YET HERE WE STAND).....


Please take your fantasies elsewhere. Look Zacksmom, unfortunately, not all people are as good as we would hope them to be. We do not live in a perfect world and many (Example: The Spewgram) will put on a show for you so that you will beleive them to be kind, however, their true selves will emerge.

It is O.K. if you want to be gullible and simple-minded and defend these people, but to offend anyone here because they happen to be Christian is simply unacceptable.

People like the Spewgram Crew need to be identified, pointed out, and exposed otherwise they will continue to infect our society with their less than stellar lives.

If you want to applaud Jeff's many divorces, Tommy's lies, Laura's self-distruction, and Jer's perverted mind. Go ahead, but do it elsewhere.

Wonk Out!!!

[iamsheens]

Please take your fantasies elsewhere. Look Zacksmom, unfortunately, not all people are as good as we would hope them to be. We do not live in a perfect world and many (Example: The Spewgram) will put on a show for you so that you will beleive them to be kind, however, their true selves will emerge.

It is O.K. if you want to be gullible and simple-minded and defend these people, but to offend anyone here because they happen to be Christian is simply unacceptable.

These kind of people need to be identified and pointed out otherwise they will continue to infect our community with their less than stellar lives.

If you want to applaud Jeff's many divorces, Tommy's lies, Laura's self-distruction, and Jer's perverted mind. Go ahead, but do it elsewhere.

Wonk Out!!!

Good Points Wonk!

Well I don't understand how Jeff can be Christian yet not take his marriage vows seriously. I mean I am not religious and I also sometimes think people make mistakes when it comes to marriage but...to be married 3 different times makes me believe you are either getting married wayyy too soon or you don't take marriage seriously. To continuously brush it off like it is not a big deal is really irritating. What kind of messages are you sending to the fans who for whatever reason look up to him and his beliefs?

In general it seems big deals take their religious beliefs very light hearted and seem to only praise god when they win an award or something life altering happens in life.

Just the hypocrisy of it all. I get so sick of these celebrity brats being wild then saying they love god. How about changing your lifestyle to glorify god a little better then, if that is the case. That whole jail stint with Paris Hilton. She was reading the bible and going to re-evaluate her life and that lasted about 5 whole minutes once she got out of jail.

Sorry not to go on its just one of those things that annoys me and I'm not religious. I wonder if religious people get annoyed by these type of people.

[Carol]

In general it seems big deals take their religious beliefs very light hearted and seem to only praise god when they win an award or something life altering happens in life.


Its not just big deals..

[Wabbitsd]

Just the last post or the last 10+ pages?

bad friend. bad friend.


LMAO. best post of the day...ding ding ding ding...we have a winnah!!!

[Wabbitsd]

SO very sorry, but it takes poor ZacksMom nearly a week to work up responses on her stone tables.

See, I sat behind LBM and one of her pigpen ugly friends in a movie theater, and socially speaking, she was rude, unkind and mocked some people whose only "crime" was coming up and saying they "loved her on the radio." so, I don't know what ZM is talking about there.

Take a couple of days and work on an intelligent response.

[Transplant]

Evacuation day is too soon :(




:hehehmm:

[iamsheens]

Its not just big deals..

I know I was just referring to big deals in the post...

[BigAl]

SO when is the Sheens v.s Carol main event at the Sports Arena.. I mean IPAy one Center? Brutal, vicious, seething, and entertaining. Where did Zacksmom go???? Hmmmmmmmm

[insightbyjake]

".....I feel it is suffice to say that my personal interactions with various individuals from the Jeff and Jer Showgram in a social setting have left me with a distinctly different opinion of the group than boards such as this."

It hit me....Zacksmom had a premonition that William F. Buckley would die, and decided to write an equivocal, obfuscatory, rejoinder, in an attempt to make clear the untenable positions of her opponents. Suffice to say, her distinctly, disparate comments, leave us far from sagacity.

[Carol]

I am okay with March 21st....iamsheens, you?

[RowdyOne]

I am okay with March 21st....iamsheens, you? So... March 21... let's see... it's a Friday... Good Friday to be exact... and a full moon to boot... is that the day we turn our clocks ahead? Is there going to be a solar eclipse? Is it the day we abandon GA and start heaping praises on the spewgram crew? Will FH finally marry Mooch, or will she dump him that day?

I guess I'm OK with March 21st too, since it will arrive (for 24 hours) no matter what else goes on in the world.

[Carol]

Ugh, we are going to need change the date, I am busy that weekend, what about the 14th?

[iamsheens]

I am okay with March 21st....iamsheens, you?

I will be in San Diego the 15th and 16th will one of those days work for you? I'm not coming back the 21st.

I don't know why anyone would want to see us fight. Plus I fight like a girl....slaps, scratching, biting, well basically bad fighting skills.

[Carol]

I fight like a girl....slaps, scratching, biting, well basically bad fighting skills.

Well why dont you just go ahead and give anyone who would have bet on you some money and an apology for being such a wuss.

Your ass is grass. I punch, hard.

[iamsheens]

I'm not a fighter. If anyone has seen a picture of me they would know not to pick me in a fight, I'm scrawny and not really into violence....so punch my hard, I'm ready to take it like a wimp.

[Carol]

Ugh, you better not cry.

[Trixie]

Hey, get that frikkin plebe tag back off my name! I am Lord of the Dance! And Trixie, DC60 wants her star by her name. I realize there are rules, and that you have life outside of the list, but I don't like sitting out there all nakey without my star. *throws self to the floor, kicking and screaming* "I wants me star! I wants me star!"


I think I did that (the Star annotation) back around Feb 5th? I have to chase my posts to jog my own memory.

I'll try to update the members list with stars, but I'm not so sure about doling out new numbers, to say, someone with the screen name ZacksMom, not that there is anything wrong with that.

I might have to re-think that the numbers thing was good for 2007, but maybe no new numbers, since we don't really know who the trolls might be.

Thank goodness February is a short month, I just may be able to catch up on pages of posts.

And, I keep threatening to visit the Yuku playground. Some day.

[Trixie]

I don't even really remember what the * following the name means, I think it was anyone checking in at/around/after January 7th, when the G/A moderator's dinner was rudely disturbed because of an out of control thread, or something to that effect.

I also began the task of reviewing the "Yuku" site and collecting and matching the usernames there. I admit, I didn't get very far. So, for all practial purposes, here is the list I have, it isn't quite up to date. I expect to make more frequent visits now.


1. brainsmile*
2. Yogi85
3. RufusMom
4. imisssandiego
5. Mom2ThreeBoys* aMom2ThreeBoys**
6. GeezLouise
7. snoopiebug*
8. PQgal*
9. Truth Teller*
10. ElizabethAZ (10A)*
11. LAsmalls
12. mamasterls*
13. Ritchie*
14. garybear*
15. DeeTroit
16. Trixie* DCTrixie**
17. irun
18. califbrat* califbrat**
19. Halinn*
20. MeowKat
21. PeaPod
22. DreamerGal* DreamerGalDC22**
23. OneKidOneDogMom*
24. DaisyCA*
25. loriraesd
26. Newer Reader*
27. Mel41099
28. eyeseeyou*
29. Transplant*
30. Simba
31. BigAl*
32. Alpinemaps (32A)*
33. Apollo
34. assvin
35. SDChick (35A, 35B)*
36. BecInCA
37. wanky* matler89**
38. mamalellie*
39. zodiac*
40. iamsheens*
41. notabigdeal*
42. girly girl*
43. RhondaReindeer*
44. Texasgirl*
45. Layla*
46. Longtime Reader
47. Swifty
48. WingMan*
49. Swedishbolt*
50. RowdyOne*
51. Murriecula
52. YoungAmerican*
53. cheekymonkey
54. Amused
55. WabbitSD*
56. GGmami*
57. MomCat*
58. ca girl*
59. SanDiegan
60. SDReadhead*
61. pax*
62. potus*
63. sandiegomom*
64. debbiegrrrl*
65. RanchoPen*
66. Dawnski*
67. pastherprime
68. texasmommy
69. SadSadSad
70. SDGirlNative
71. 11th Reader*
72. SDtoOC
73. Carol*
74. Jammie J*
75. WaterSeeks
76. gogogirl
77. gossipgurl
78. insightbyjake*
79. SD Native
80. NewAgeGoddess
81. CJ*
82. OhPulleez!*
83. claystone*
84. shello*
85. Boris85*
86. Dilbert1985 (honorable mention)
87. Luv2hike
88. GirlfromOR (88A)*
89. srdude (89B)*
90. long commute
91. PRINTER*
92. PaintDry
93. saywhat*
94. himmie
94.1 Sapphie* (special request)
95. kevlar
96. ordinarygirl*
97. lionbear
98. RedWillow*
99. SimplyMe*
100. wonkatania*
101. walker3day
102. ex-Starlistener*
103. hana07
104. 11ListenerNot*
105. MissThany (105A)
106. SierraGal*
107. Seriously?!?
108. IMISSLEO*
109. SDGrandma*
110. LisaP*
111. Cin-a-Bear*
112. latransplant
113. CatWoman7042*
114. HappyGal100
115. SDNative*
116. WhoMe*
117. LadyBirdJohnson
118. Sis
119. O.B.ehave!
120. BeBeSD*
121. elguan
122. truth seeker
123. ashya
124. TJLuv*
125. FormerSanDiegan
126. Conceptis
127. oops*
128. dirtyblindgurl*
129. NayNay
130. newgal*
131. THECHICK
132. InvisibleElf* (& 132A to 132X)**
133. IZZY*
134. yourmama*
135. apossible*
136. EmpressJ
137. blondmom*
138. J&JSuck*
139. SDGirl87*
140. iamapes*
141. JDub04 (141B)*
142. chrissy987*
143. ApexGroupie
144. Pebbles64
145. CAGirl*
146. plutoboy7
147. AspenCA*
148. Murray*
149. mtsv sd*
150. LUV2BE*
151. SanDieganNoMore
152. FitnessGirl*
153. Hope
154. YogaGal*
155. cattychathy
156. CharlieBear
157. des1969*
158. MomOf3Girls*
159. JenM
160. RecoveringLstnr*
161. momofthree*
162. Doc
163. Bashful
164. GAM
165. kbrit89352*
166. JstTizn*
167. Elton
168. Goody
169. DeltaPop* DeltaPop169**
170. MavCh79
171. Jean
172. sputnick
173. Lavender
174. threedog
175. Temkugirl
176. Tatooo*
177. 3kitties
178. Stact
179. Moooooochie (12/21)
180. Gidget1234*
181. mnguy*
182. AprilShowers*
183. evilgenius*
184. monkey girl*
185. blueslover*
186. lights*
187. osidemomof2*
188. LA64*
189. Vitacon*
190. s ca girl*
191. MileHighMama*
192. CeeJay*
193. twizzlergirl*
194. JesseeezMom*
195. stellargirl*
196. rundmc79*
197. CherBear*
198. Clarence*
199. WhoaNelly
200. bettyboop*
201. ohholymoly*
202. Boston*
203. Jaybeez63*
204. jomomma*
205. dandiego*
206. Donni*
207. firestorm aby*
208. SISSY*
209. skibun21*
210. mpete*
211. greta4993 (208A)
212. lavex*
213. smeewally*
214. flipper*
215. FlowerForever*
216. havinfun*
217. Goldenlvr*
218. edisekal*
219. DaisyDog*
220. shettena*
221. trish*
222. LAURA BLOWS*
223. JamieGrrl*
224. SugarMama*
225. tenacious z*
226. MaggieMae*
227. pqzian*
228. DumbDroid*
229. SFGal*
230. HI There*
231. SeaSack*
232. Ginger*
233. Rejoice*
234. Mary911*
235. Calypso33*
236. kimy*
237. Joe Hollywood*
238. LJElena*
239. Humor*
240. Beckie1973*


666. FatHead/XXXL/40x28


:triangle: JuJuBoo83
listener13* [always have been, always will be]

[brainsmile]

wow the list is long

[Trixie]

I just got back from over an hour at Yuku, as a guest, no less, because I can't remember my password and am too lazy to search my gmail. I'll tackle that chore tomorrow.

I read the day of Feb 13, with the PDAWIA/guest visitor. Quite facsinating. I thought I had a bad day at work today, LBM has actually had a bad life, karma will win.

Tasks for Thursday: Find gmail message with my Yuku sign-in stuff and say
HI to the Yuku people. I actually found that place to be quite cozy this evening.

Saying 'nite or mornin' to the invisifriends on GotApex.

[Wabbitsd]

You three have a great time at your meeting. Sounds fun.

[Wabbitsd]

Trixie, you have PMs turned off here?

[Carol]

:wavey2: Bye iamsheens! Be safe and finish up that other 25% today and tomorrow.

[iamsheens]

:wavey2: Bye iamsheens! Be safe and finish up that other 25% today and tomorrow.

Thanks packing sucks! I wish I were rich enough to hire people to pack my stuff for me. :(

K.I.T. haha, like a high school yearbook.

-K- back to packing.

That reminds me did Michelle and Tommy ever buy a house together?

[RowdyOne]

You three have a great time at your meeting. Sounds fun.
Hi Wabbit... I'm not aware of any meeting...

[Carol]

That reminds me did Michelle and Tommy ever buy a house together?

I think the answer to that is a no.

[Trixie]

Trixie, you have PMs turned off here?
I updated the PM thingy.

[Boston]

OMG! Sheens leaving!

[ElizabethAZ]

OMG! Sheens leaving!

She's moving here! BTW Sheens it is a glorious 77 degrees today.