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DarkFury

10-10-2005, 12:10 AM

Caught on tape...

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/09/taped.beatings.ap/index.html

Three police officers in New Orleans were charged with battery late Sunday after an incident in which two repeatedly struck a 64-year-old man accused of public intoxication as another officer confronted an Associated Press Television News producer as a cameraman taped the confrontations.

The three patrolmen were also suspended without pay, then released and ordered to appear in court at a later date, Capt. Marlon Defillo said.

"We have great concern with what we saw this morning," Defillo said after he and about a dozen other high-ranking police department officials watched the APTN footage Sunday. "It's a troubling tape, no doubt about it. ... This department will take immediate action."

The charges come as the department, long plagued by allegations of brutality and corruption, struggles with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and the resignation last month of Police Superintendent Eddie Compass.

The APTN tape shows an officer hitting the man at least four times in the head Saturday night as he stood outside a bar near Bourbon Street. The suspect, Robert Davis, appeared to resist, twisting and flailing as he was dragged to the ground by four officers. Another of the four officers then kneed Davis and punched him twice. Davis was face-down on the sidewalk with blood streaming down his arm and into the gutter.

Meanwhile, a fifth officer ordered APTN producer Rich Matthews and the cameraman to stop recording. When Matthews held up his credentials and explained he was working, the officer grabbed the producer, leaned him backward over a car, jabbed him in the stomach and unleashed a profanity-laced tirade.

"I've been here for six weeks trying to keep ... alive. ... Go home!" shouted the officer, who later identified himself as S.M. Smith.

Defillo identified the patrolmen as Stuart Smith, Lance Schilling and Robert Evangelist. Smith is an eight-year veteran of the department, and the other officers have each been on the force for three years, he said.

Police said Davis, 64, of New Orleans, was booked on public intoxication, resisting arrest, battery on a police officer and public intimidation. He was treated at a hospital and released into police custody.

A mug shot of Davis, provided by a jailer, showed him with his right eye swollen shut, an apparent abrasion on the left side of his neck and a cut on his right temple.

"The incidents taped by our cameraman are extremely troubling," said Mike Silverman, AP's managing editor. "We are heartened that the police department is taking them seriously and promising a thorough investigation."

Davis, who is black, was subdued at the intersection of Conti and Bourbon streets. Three of the officers appeared to be white, and the other is light skinned. The officer who hit Matthews is white. Defillo said race was not an issue.

Three of the five officers -- including Smith -- are New Orleans officers, and two others appeared to be federal officers. Numerous agencies have sent police to help with patrols in the aftermath of Katrina.

Under normal circumstances, it takes unusually offensive behavior to trigger an arrest on Bourbon Street. But New Orleans police have been working under stressful conditions since the hurricane.

Officers slept in their cars and worked 24-hour shifts after the storm. Three-quarters lost their homes and their families are scattered across the country.

"Our police officers are working under some very trying times," Defillo said. "So it's a difficult time, but it doesn't excuse what our jobs are supposed to be."

Many officers deserted their posts in the days after Katrina, and some were accused of joining in the looting that broke out. At least two committed suicide.

Conditions have improved -- officers now have beds on a cruise ship -- but they don't have private rooms and are still working five, 12-hour days a week.

Compass, the police superintendent, resigned September 27. Despite more than 10 years of reform efforts dating to before he took office, police were dogged by allegations of brutality and corruption.

On Friday, state authorities said they were investigating allegations that New Orleans police broke into a dealership and made off with nearly 200 cars -- including 41 new Cadillacs -- as the storm closed in.

And they got the video of it too on the link above...

Sure didn't look to me like the "perp" put up THAT much of a fight to get beat down like that.

Airencracken

10-10-2005, 01:01 AM

Damn pigs.

F*ck the po-lice!

BigJon

10-10-2005, 04:07 AM

Man. :disa: I'm sure they've been so stressed down there that people are losing it left and right...but still...that's no excuse.

kimchicowboy

10-10-2005, 04:50 AM

Man. :disa: I'm sure they've been so stressed down there that people are losing it left and right...but still...that's no excuse.
that's exactly what the police spokesman said. they put in 5, 12-hour day, sleep in their cars, their families scattered. but yeah. they still have a duty to perform.

johnnymk

10-10-2005, 05:11 AM

Wow..public intoxication..major league crime :rolleyes:

If they don't spend time in jail, something is really wrong with our justice system

BigJon

10-10-2005, 08:52 AM

that's exactly what the police spokesman said. they put in 5, 12-hour day, sleep in their cars, their families scattered. but yeah. they still have a duty to perform.
I thought I heard a quick snippet on the news that at least 3 officers have already committed suicide... :disa:

esme

10-10-2005, 09:57 AM

OMG!! .....poor man ......all the blood ......

RoniMan

10-10-2005, 10:06 AM

I thought I heard a quick snippet on the news that at least 3 officers have already committed suicide... :disa:

Many officers deserted their posts in the days after Katrina, and some were accused of joining in the looting that broke out. At least two committed suicide.

man...it's so hard to imagine the kinda stress ppl must be feeling down there.

anyway you look at this story...it's just sad. :disa:

MikeD

10-10-2005, 12:04 PM

anyway you look at this story...it's just sad. :disa:

:stupid:

Agreed.

I've watched the tape a few times on TV...police were WAYYY over the top there. Not only with the victim, but also with the reporter. No place for that kind of stuff. The guy probably will sue (he should), and get paid.

However...

I know I'm probably in the minority here, but it should be said that he wouldn't have been in that position if he hadn't been drunk in public. Some of the fault rests at his feet as well.

tupacboy

10-10-2005, 01:07 PM

zenbooty

10-10-2005, 01:10 PM

I know I'm probably in the minority here, but it should be said that he wouldn't have been in that position if he hadn't been drunk in public. Some of the fault rests at his feet as well.
Dude, this is New Orleans we're talking about. Public drunkenness is the norm there. Really. The only time that charge gets levelled at somebody is when the cops want to run someone out of the area. Otherwise, they'd have to arrest everybody.

johnnymk

10-10-2005, 01:34 PM

In a city filled with chaos, I don't believe an old man who is drunk out on the streets is a threat to anyone except himself.

Those cops were just bullies who were just looking to start something with someone weaker than them.

esme

10-10-2005, 02:41 PM

true that they might be stressed .....BUT is this the way they're dealing with that ?? ......other than being drunk in public, was he bothering anybody? was he starting up a fight with anybody?

DarkFury

10-10-2005, 02:56 PM

i saw the video a few times... don't get me wrong... the police were using way too much force on a old man... but he was clearly resisting arrest... and reportedly he attacked a cop ("battery on a police officer ")....
Were we watchin the same video? :shrug:

Cause I never saw the guy gettin beat down throw a punch nor a kick... yet, he got jumped by 4 police officers pulling him in multiple directions (one had a choke hold on him using his own left arm across his throat for leverage, while another was pullin' at his leg... the other two were either cuffin' him or holding him down.)

At the beginning of the video... he is just standing there and the cop punches him like 3 or 4 times in the back of his head, then they choke/wrestle him to the ground... it sure didn't look like he did much resisting other than just standing there getting beat up.

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader2/files/New_Orleans_Police_Beatdown/nopolicebeatdown1.jpg

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader2/files/New_Orleans_Police_Beatdown/nopolicebeatdown2.jpg

And what about the 2nd video... where the man was just laying there bleeding in the street and the cop repeatly steps over and puts his foot on him? I guess he was still resisting arrest there too... :hmm:

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader2/files/New_Orleans_Police_Beatdown/nopolicebeatdown3.jpg

esme

10-10-2005, 03:08 PM

And what about the 2nd video... where the man was just laying there bleeding in the street and the cop repeatly steps over and puts his foot on him? I guess he was still resisting arrest there too... :hmm:

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader2/files/New_Orleans_Police_Beatdown/nopolicebeatdown3.jpg

i agree .....in that video you can see the cop repeatedly pushing him down towards the floor .....like he couldn't see the puddle of blood the poor man was laying in as it was! ...... :2far:

i also agree that i didn't see the man fighting back or even resisitng arrest ....if i was being beat down like that i would try to get away .....who wouldn't?? :gle:

MikeD

10-10-2005, 05:08 PM

Dude, this is New Orleans we're talking about. Public drunkenness is the norm there. Really.

Hey, maybe that's part of the problem. :spock:

I'm simply saying that if he wasn't drunk, odds are he doesn't catch the beatdown. Does that make what the cops did acceptable? Of course not.

Basically, I don't worry about stuff like that happening to me because I don't venture out in public while intoxicated. I'm not saying he deserved what he got, simply saying he didn't help his cause.

MikeD

10-10-2005, 08:13 PM

Damn pigs.

F*ck the po-lice!

Nice Airen. I'm sure law enforcement officials on G/A (like Gug) really like reading **** like that.

:disa:

nickel

10-10-2005, 08:15 PM

Nice Airen. I'm sure law enforcement officials on G/A (like Gug) really like reading **** like that.

:disa:
:agree:

zenbooty

10-10-2005, 09:28 PM

Hey, maybe that's part of the problem. :spock:
No, cops that make less than $20,000 a year is the problem, but anyway...

I'm simply saying that if he wasn't drunk, odds are he doesn't catch the beatdown.Frankly, replacing "drunk" with "black" is probaby closer to the truth. Plenty of drunk people in the Quarter, and none of 'em ever get the **** beat out of them.

cheapie

10-10-2005, 09:39 PM

prolly pissed because the feds are investigating all of the missing caddies.

Airencracken

10-10-2005, 09:44 PM

Nice Airen. I'm sure law enforcement officials on G/A (like Gug) really like reading **** like that.

:disa:

:rolleyes:

cheapie

10-10-2005, 09:47 PM

well...it was a pretty ignorant statement.

eSDee

10-10-2005, 10:03 PM

well...it was a pretty ignorant statement.

:hihi: :thumb:

cheapie

10-10-2005, 10:06 PM

you agree w/me?

eSDee

10-11-2005, 12:29 AM

I thought you were making a joke. My bad.

MikeD

10-11-2005, 03:07 AM

No, cops that make less than $20,000 a year is the problem, but anyway...

Frankly, replacing "drunk" with "black" is probaby closer to the truth. Plenty of drunk people in the Quarter, and none of 'em ever get the **** beat out of them.

Ahhh...are we getting a bit closer as to why this topic was originally posted?

:gle:

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 07:39 AM

Ahhh...are we getting a bit closer as to why this topic was originally posted?

:gle:
Are you trying to say something.... :hmm:

:wavey:

OF COURSE... race had nothing to do with it. :rolleyes: He was just drunk... that's all. :hmm: :shifty:

MikeD

10-11-2005, 07:50 AM

Are you trying to say something.... :hmm:

:wavey:

OF COURSE... race had nothing to do with it. :rolleyes: He was just drunk... that's all. :hmm: :shifty:

Hey...I said what I had to say. Read it how you like...

Of course it was about race. Watch the tape...but then again, seems like alot of things are about race around here. :shifty:

nickel

10-11-2005, 08:05 AM

Are you trying to say something.... :hmm:

:wavey:

OF COURSE... race had nothing to do with it. :rolleyes: He was just drunk... that's all. :hmm: :shifty:
why do you always have to go there DF? i was giving you the benefit of the doubt when you posted this topic hoping you wouldn't jump to the conclusion that this was all about race.

guess what? please read below:

But Davis, his attorney and police spokesman Marlon Defillo all said they do not believe race was an issue.

"He does not see it as a racial thing," said Davis' lawyer, Joseph Bruno.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051011/ap_on_re_us/new_orleans_taped_beating

follow the victim Robert Davis' lead for once. i appreciate him stepping up and proclaiming he didn't think race played a part in what seems to be a totally senseless beating of him so the accusation of such can stop here.

on a side note: Davis is even claiming he was not drunk which totally makes the cops seem like they were in the wrong-wrong-wrong. from all i've read i think in the end the cops will be justly punished for what has occurred.

edit: just saw an interview with Mr. Davis on TV. he says he was talking to a police officier who was on horseback and asked him if there was a curfew. the officier was very rude to him and when he told the officier his response was rude he initiated the ruckus against him. he claims this officier could've prevented the whole ordeal from happening, and for that reason he claims this wasn't race based. seems the officier he is speaking of was black.

johnnymk

10-11-2005, 08:20 AM

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 09:27 AM

Hey...I said what I had to say. Read it how you like...

Of course it was about race. Watch the tape...but then again, seems like alot of things are about race around here. :shifty:

Well for the record... I never even mentioned it... I let the folks here decide for themselves.

why do you always have to go there DF? i was giving you the benefit of the doubt when you posted this topic hoping you wouldn't jump to the conclusion that this was all about race.

guess what? please read below:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051011/ap_on_re_us/new_orleans_taped_beating
Nick... for the record, I INTENTIONALLY didn't mention race in posting the original thread... just so all the "he played the race card" people wouldn't jump in with both feet.

I didn't bring it up until someone else referred to it. But visual evidence is visual evidence and you can make your own assessments.

But honestly, I do find it quite strange that we NEVER get the "raw footage" (i.e. gory/bloody images) of the drunk white guy getting beat up by the cops... except on certain episodes of "C.O.P.S." or on "America's Funniest Police Home Videos"... or whatnot.

MikeD

10-11-2005, 09:32 AM

Well for the record... I never even mentioned it... I let the folks here decide for themselves.

Never mentioned it? I sure didn't read it (http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showpost.php?p=923642&postcount=27) that way...

You contradict yourself in the same post. You didn't bring it up...hold on, wait you did, but only after someone else did.

:gle:

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 09:34 AM

Never mentioned it? I sure didn't read it (http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showpost.php?p=923642&postcount=27) that way...

You contradict yourself in the same post. You didn't bring it up...hold on, wait you did, but only after someone else did.

:gle:
I didn't mention it IN THE INITIAL POST... Zenbooty mentioned it... NOT ME. Stop trying to be a "rabble rouser".... you toss out more "bait" than a Shark fisherman.

Thanks for playing... goodnight.

MikeD

10-11-2005, 09:35 AM

Well for the record... I never even mentioned it... I let the folks here decide for themselves.

You gonna make me quote it twice?

Bottom line: you pulled it. Goodnight to you too, my good friend...

nickel

10-11-2005, 09:38 AM

Well for the record... I never even mentioned it... I let the folks here decide for themselves.

Nick... for the record, I INTENTIONALLY didn't mention race in posting the original thread... just so all the "he played the race card" people wouldn't jump in with both feet.

I didn't bring it up until someone else referred to it. But visual evidence is visual evidence and you can make your own assessments.

But honestly, I do find it quite strange that we NEVER get the "raw footage" (i.e. gory/bloody images) of the drunk white guy getting beat up by the cops... except on certain episodes of "C.O.P.S." or on "America's Funniest Police Home Videos"... or whatnot.
did you read my post? Mr. Davis, the victim, says this wasn't racially motivated. the cop who started the whole dang thing was black. what other evidence is needed here?

as far as raw footage of drunk white guy getting beat up by the cops, don't think it never happens. the media just realizes people will be more interested when it can be perceived as a race thing.

I didn't mention it IN THE INITIAL POST... Zenbooty mentioned it... NOT ME. Stop trying to be a "rabble rouser".... you toss out more "bait" than a Shark fisherman.

Thanks for playing... goodnight.
yes zen did mention it first, but you trumped it. i was hoping you wouldn't without evidence to support it.

are there racially motivated incidents such as this? you betcha. black on white and white on black, but was this one of them? it definitely appears not so.

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 09:41 AM

You gonna make me quote it twice?

Bottom line: you pulled it. Goodnight to you too, my good friend...
Mike... you baited it.

You knew what you were trying to say.... Fishy man.

esme

10-11-2005, 09:44 AM

Anyone want to start a thread concerning: "Today's cops. Are they becoming too wise for their britches?"

I am beginning to think so. I am seeing a real attitude among even traffic cops today in my area. I am slowly losing the little respect I previously had for them.

There was a saying in my local high school that the guys who were picked on as a kid and couldn't find a decent job became cops.

I know that's not always true, but it appears that a lot of them today are thugs who can't wait to take their frustration out on citizens.

luckily i've only dealt w/friendly/patient cops .......i've been pulled over a few times (never given a ticket though) and the cops have been very polite.

the last cop i dealt w/was from Irvine and i couldn't of felt better about the way i was treated ......i guess they're like everyone else .....when they're stressed it gets to them .....but of course that's no excuse for them being asses ...... :rolleyes:

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 09:44 AM

did you read my post? Mr. Davis, the victim, says this wasn't racially motivated. the cop who started the whole dang thing was black. what other evidence is needed here?

as far as raw footage of drunk white guy getting beat up by the cops, don't think it never happens. the media just realizes people will be more interested when it can be perceived as a race thing.

yes zen did mention it first, but you trumped it. i was hoping you wouldn't without evidence to support it.

are there racially motivated incidents such as this? you betcha. black on white and white on black, but was this one of them? it definitely appears not so.
Yeah.. I read it.. and I know that's what he said (or at least will say at this point upon guidance of his lawyer.) Don't you realize that if he comes out and say... "YEAH... because of my race, they beat me", that this could start some kind of "race war"... so pretty much I'm sure that his comments have been tempered by his lawyer. He is gonna have his day in court and by the looks of it... he may become one rich dude before the end of this.

We'll see what happens next.

From the shots he took.. I'm surprised that he even knows what to say at this point. Oh well...whatever. Racial or not, it was still wrong.

I hope those cops pay for their crime. This is nothing different than the other instances of similar abuse... and if the victim doesn't want to acknowledge that, then that is his right. Even "Rodney King" said "Can we all just get along" after getting his head handed to him... but by these standards that wasn't racially motivated either. (yeah... right... :2far: )

nickel

10-11-2005, 10:01 AM

Yeah.. I read it.. and I know that's what he said (or at least will say at this point upon guidance of his lawyer.) Don't you realize that if he comes out and say... "YEAH... because of my race, they beat me", that this could start some kind of "race war"... so pretty much I'm sure that his comments have been tempered by his lawyer. He is gonna have his day in court and by the looks of it... he may become one rich dude before the end of this.

We'll see what happens next.

From the shots he took.. I'm surprised that he even knows what to say at this point. Oh well...whatever. Racial or not, it was still wrong.

I hope those cops pay for their crime. This is nothing different than the other instances of similar abuse... and if the victim doesn't want to acknowledge that, then that is his right. Even "Rodney King" said "Can we all just get along" after getting his head handed to him... but by these standards that wasn't racially motivated either. (yeah... right... :2far: )
but the cop who started this was black, and Mr. Davis has said that specifically.
please.. can you understand that?

and i have never heard anyone in Mr. Davis shoes claim it "was not" racially motivated. he didn't have to mention a word one way or another. but by doing so just maybe he is onto something unprecedented here: sincerity

esme

10-11-2005, 10:08 AM

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 10:09 AM

esme

10-11-2005, 10:10 AM

Which cop started this... Was he in the video?

I wanna see him.

most of the video is of Mr. Davis being beat .....the cop he speaks of, i don't think, was included in the video BUT in Mr. Davis' statement

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 10:13 AM

i think that we should see past the race issue (it shouldn't even be an issue) and see that this was a MAN who was beat senseless .....why should we include race? this MAN was on the floor w/his face in a puddle of blood trying to sit up and they kept pushing him down .....the police were wrong .....we can just leave it at that ....they used excessive force when they could've just restrained him and thrown him in their cruiser .....(not literally thrown him ....of course!)
Unfortunately... what we think and what we speak have to be different for this to happen.

I can speak that "race was not involved", however there will always be that spot in my mind that say... "C'mon now... you believe that?"

My thing is... what does it take for folks here to acknowlege it being "racial"... do the cops have to have on their KKK hoods and burning crosses before it becomes racial to them? What does it take? Just as you want me to assume race is not involved... then what does it take to prove that it was?

esme

10-11-2005, 10:17 AM

Unfortunately... what we think and what we speak have to be different for this to happen.

I can speak that "race was not involved", however there will always be that spot in my mind that say... "C'mon now... you believe that?"

My thing is... what does it take for folks here to acknowlege it being "racial"... do the cops have to have on their KKK hoods and burning crosses before it becomes racial to them? What does it take? Just as you want me to assume race is not involved... then what does it take to prove that it was?

from the statements that this man gave ....this is how i see it ......he asked a cop a question which the cop then answered in a rude manner ....Mr. Davis' answered back the same way BUT of course the cop wasn't gonna take his lip ....because, well ....he's a cop .....so he decides that this man has no right to speak to him that way and here comes the beat down ......

:shake:

not the man's fault that there is tragedy all around and that these cops are probably stressed out of their mind ......also not an excuse to make this OK .... that's how i see it.

johnnymk

10-11-2005, 10:33 AM

not the man's fault that there is tragedy all around and that these cops are probably stressed out of their mind ......also not an excuse to make this OK .... that's how i see it.

How stressed are these cops if four or five of them have the time to intimidate a so-called drunk guy on a back street in that city? Personally, I don't buy it.

It's amazing how the media is hyping the stressed-out factor at the beginning of their report on this incident to somehow dilute the end result of what those thugs did.

esme

10-11-2005, 10:36 AM

How stressed are these cops if four or five of them have the time to intimidate a so-called drunk guy on a back street in that city? Personally, I don't buy it.

It's amazing how the media is hyping the stressed-out factor at the beginning of their report on this incident to somehow dilute the end result of what those thugs did.

but if Mr. Davis' statement clearly says that it wasn't a race issue then why insist on making it one????

:shrug:

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 10:38 AM

but the cop who started this was black, and Mr. Davis has said that specifically.
please.. can you understand that?

and i have never heard anyone in Mr. Davis shoes claim it "was not" racially motivated. he didn't have to mention a word one way or another. but by doing so just maybe he is onto something unprecedented here: sincerity

According to the story you posted...

Davis said he had been walking in the French Quarter and approached a mounted police officer to ask about the curfew in the city when another officer interrupted.

"This other guy interfered and I said he shouldn't," Davis said. "I started to cross the street and — bam — I got it. ... All I know is this guy attacked me and said, `I will kick your ass,' and they proceeded to do it."

He said he did not know why the punches were thrown.

He doesn't mention the Black cop here... so maybe that was referenced in another story... If the cop was black, then he must've been the one on the horse or something and didn't get involved with the beat down.

Here are the cops that participated:
http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader2/files/NOCops/Daviscops.jpg

The other 2 guys that participated were FBI agents... however I've looked at several stories on this and haven't seen where the "Black cop" was in this.

Where did you read that there was a Black cop involved in this?

from the statements that this man gave ....this is how i see it ......he asked a cop a question which the cop then answered in a rude manner ....Mr. Davis' answered back the same way BUT of course the cop wasn't gonna take his lip ....because, well ....he's a cop .....so he decides that this man has no right to speak to him that way and here comes the beat down ......

Please re-read the facts...

2 different cops involved here to start this.... the "rude" one was different than the one who he initially was asking a question of. "The other guy interfered"... and that led to the beat down.

MikeD

10-11-2005, 11:04 AM

but if Mr. Davis' statement clearly says that it wasn't a race issue then why insist on making it one????

:shrug:

:stupid:

Might not be newsworthy then, that's why...

eSDee

10-11-2005, 11:54 AM

Saying conclusively that it was or was not race related is premature. There was a combination of factors that caused these cops to beat the hell out of of a 64 year old man. It doesn't make any sense, but a lot of people might want to know if a 64 year old white man would have been beaten. It doesn't seem like any 64 year old man regardless of color should be treated that way unless he was all drugged up and out of control, and posed a safety risk for the officers. However it does not appear that the man was drunk or on drugs, which begs the question, is it just stress that caused the officers to kick the crap out of him? In a city in which police brutality and racial discrimination has been well documented in the past, the race issue can't be ignored, no matter what the victim might overtly say. He's been humiliated and beaten, and probably wants it to end as quickly as possible. He's an old man who doesn't want his life to be summed up by an event that happened late in his life. Seems reasonable that he would not pull the race card. However since we are not sure yet what motivated it, the question HAS TO BE asked. If there are racist cops on the job in New Orleans then they HAVE TO BE removed, because they are messing up the reputation of all the good cops who put on their badge to protect the wellbeing of all people, regardless of color.

nickel

10-11-2005, 12:06 PM

Which cop started this... Was he in the video?

I wanna see him.
*raps head on desk*

read my friend, read

i will quote myself from a previous post in this thread:

edit: just saw an interview with Mr. Davis on TV. he says he was talking to a police officer who was on horseback and asked him if there was a curfew. the officier was very rude to him and when he told the officer his response was rude he initiated the ruckus against him. he claims this officer could've prevented the whole ordeal from happening, and for that reason he claims this wasn't race based. seems the officer he is speaking of was black.

i saw/heard Mr. Davis say this in a television interview at lunchtime today!
you can choose NOT to believe that i actually sawheard this come out of Mr. Davis' mouth, but i am telling you IT DID! tonight watch for it. hopefully the same interview will be on again.

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 01:09 PM

*raps head on desk*

read my friend, read

i will quote myself from a previous post in this thread:

i saw/heard Mr. Davis say this in a television interview at lunchtime today!
you can choose NOT to believe that i actually sawheard this come out of Mr. Davis' mouth, but i am telling you IT DID! tonight watch for it. hopefully the same interview will be on again.
/me smacks nickel with the conflicting accounts stick... :poke: No fair, you made that "edit" after I had already read that post... so ok... but this still doesn't clear the air on it.

Based on the PRINT... it says one officer on horseback and another causing the ruckus on foot. That doesn't tell me that the BLACK GUY started the problem.

Taking this as "what you heard" from a news report... well maybe you heard it wrong. And you surely can't back it up therefore this is "circumstantial" at best... and that doesn't fly in this "court of public opinion". :hmm:

C'mon now... you gotta do better than that Nick... but i'll be watching to see if anything backs you up on this claim. Still... the accounts of what occurred differ in what you heard and what you read.

esme

10-11-2005, 01:17 PM

MikeD

10-11-2005, 01:18 PM

Based on the PRINT... it says one officer on horseback and another causing the ruckus on foot. That doesn't tell me that the BLACK GUY started the problem.

Taking this as "what you heard" from a news report... well maybe you heard it wrong. And you surely can't back it up therefore this is "circumstantial" at best... and that doesn't fly in this "court of public opinion". :hmm:

Amazing...

Let me get this straight: if it's in print, it's OK. If someone hears it on the news, it's not OK because they can't prove it. Or maybe she heard it wrong. :banghead:

Wow...that's what I call trust in your fellow G/A'er. Let's also hope we're not getting our print from, say...The New York Times. Oh hell, we know newspapers and print media NEVER lie.

C'mon now... you gotta do better than that Nick... but i'll be watching to see if anything backs you up on this claim. Still... the accounts of what occurred differ in what you heard and what you read.

You saying that you'll "...be watching" is circumstantial at best. I'm not holding my breath over here. :dead:

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 01:19 PM

you make a good point .....but why is it that whenever something like this happens and a black person (or any minority at that) is involved ....people always jump to a conclusion that it was race related?

why is it that we can't get past the race issue?
Because we have to call a spade a spade... That's why.

Amazing...

Let me get this straight: if it's in print, it's OK. If someone hears it on the news, it's not OK because they can't prove it. Or maybe she heard it wrong. :banghead:

Wow...that's what I call trust in your fellow G/A'er. Let's also hope we're not getting our print from, say...The New York Times. Oh hell, we know newspapers and print media NEVER lie.

You saying that you'll "...be watching" is circumstantial at best. I'm not holding my breath over here. :dead:
At least in print there is something to hang your hat on... to back you up.

Hell.. you yourself lambasted Fharrakkan about levees based upon what he "heard" and not what was actually reported... People can hear what they want to hear and make an assessment... however in print, you have more time to digest and interpret the information. Even in a court of law... evidence in print is gonna overrule oral anyday.

The credibility of the source is always in question... now if someone has a transcript of the program that Nickel was watching... please post it up so that we can "digest" it. :D

And yes... I will be watching to see if another claim backs up what she says... you shouldn't even be questioning that. Shame on you!!! :nono:

Cubsfan

10-11-2005, 01:24 PM

/me smacks nickel with the conflicting accounts stick... :poke: No fair, you made that "edit" after I had already read that post... so ok... but this still doesn't clear the air on it.

Based on the PRINT... it says one officer on horseback and another causing the ruckus on foot. That doesn't tell me that the BLACK GUY started the problem.

Taking this as "what you heard" from a news report... well maybe you heard it wrong. And you surely can't back it up therefore this is "circumstantial" at best... and that doesn't fly in this "court of public opinion". :hmm:

C'mon now... you gotta do better than that Nick... but i'll be watching to see if anything backs you up on this claim. Still... the accounts of what occurred differ in what you heard and what you read.

Go to FoxNews.com and watch it. Apparently the officer on the horse was black. And if I heard right (don't take my word for it), he said that he blamed the black police officer because he could have stopped it.

MikeD

10-11-2005, 01:25 PM

And yes... I will be watching to see if another claim backs up what she says... you shouldn't even be questioning that. Shame on you!!! :nono:

We'll be waiting to see big daddy...we'll be waiting to see.

Go to FoxNews.com and watch it. Apparently the officer on the horse was black. And if I heard right (don't take my word for it), he said that he blamed the black police officer because he could have stopped it.

Fox News?!?! They're not credible... :cool:

nickel

10-11-2005, 01:33 PM

/me smacks nickel with the conflicting accounts stick... :poke: No fair, you made that "edit" after I had already read that post... so ok... but this still doesn't clear the air on it.

Based on the PRINT... it says one officer on horseback and another causing the ruckus on foot. That doesn't tell me that the BLACK GUY started the problem.

Taking this as "what you heard" from a news report... well maybe you heard it wrong. And you surely can't back it up therefore this is "circumstantial" at best... and that doesn't fly in this "court of public opinion". :hmm:

C'mon now... you gotta do better than that Nick... but i'll be watching to see if anything backs you up on this claim. Still... the accounts of what occurred differ in what you heard and what you read.
yes i am a liar DF, a fabricator.
fercripessakes,i have no reason to make up what i've heard. i DID NOT hear wrong. :2far:
you'll find out soon enough i was speaking the truth, and it came right from Mr. Davis' mouth.

esme

10-11-2005, 01:39 PM

"I hold no animosity against anyone. I want to thank the new police chief for his quick action. I really do," 64-year-old Robert Davis said Tuesday.

Three officers have been suspended and local and federal authorities have launched investigations into the October 8 incident.

Joseph Bruno, the attorney for Davis, said his client does not believe the assault was racially motivated.

"I know there is a big temptation to go there, but my client firmly believes that is not what is involved here," Bruno said in an interview.

Instead, Bruno said, Davis believes he was assaulted by "a couple of rotten apples that need to be dealt with." "I haven't drank in 25 years," Davis told CNN. "That's the amazing part."

Davis said he stopped drinking 25 years ago after he had a black-out incident.

"Since then, I have put alcohol down. I don't even entertain the thought of alcohol," he said.

On Tuesday, Davis told CNN he had come to New Orleans to check on property he owns in the flooded 9th Ward. He was walking in the French Quarter when he became concerned about the curfew and asked a police officer about it. Davis said they were interrupted by another police officer who was walking by. "He interrupted our conversation. I told him that was very unprofessional," Davis said. "I proceeded to walk on across the street, at which time he punched me, I guess, and from there I don't remember much other than a lady in the crowd, I guess just a bystander, who kept hollering, 'He didn't do anything.' "

this came off cnn.com

link (http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/10/11/taped.beatings/index.html)

nickel

10-11-2005, 01:41 PM

Go to FoxNews.com and watch it. Apparently the officer on the horse was black. And if I heard right (don't take my word for it), he said that he blamed the black police officer because he could have stopped it.
that's it. thanks Cubsfan. although i saw his interview on CBS, not Fox actually.
http://www.foxnews.com/
click on "Video: Victim Speaks"

and do listen to the WHOLE interview especially the LAST 28 seconds.

esme

10-11-2005, 01:51 PM

here's another one from cnn.com

http://www.cnn.com/video/partners/clickability/index.html?url=/video/bestoftv/2005/10/11/obrien.davis.beating.affl

just in case we need anymore :)

MikeD

10-11-2005, 02:05 PM

A VERITABLE TIDAL WAVE OF INFORMATION, OF SOURCES...WOW!

:wow:

esme

10-11-2005, 02:31 PM

no comments on the video ???

eSDee

10-11-2005, 02:49 PM

you make a good point .....but why is it that whenever something like this happens and a black person (or any minority at that) is involved ....people always jump to a conclusion that it was race related?

Probably because it doesn't make any sense to be beating the crap out of an old man like that. People are looking for answers and being "too stressed out" isn't usually good enough for a beatdown like he received.

As far as the old man commenting and saying he didn't think it was racially motivated, well it's like I said in my last post. He might not be trying to draw any more attention than is necessary. But it should continue to be investigated, regardless of what he says.

zenbooty

10-11-2005, 03:03 PM

you make a good point .....but why is it that whenever something like this happens and a black person (or any minority at that) is involved ....people always jump to a conclusion that it was race related?I didn't jump to any conclusion. I came to it based on first hand knowledge of the racial situation in New Orleans, and the facts of the case. No way would a drunken white person get that kind of a beating unless they were actively involved in violence or serious vandalism at the time of their apprehension. Standing on the sidewalk like that, no way. They might get thrown up against the wall, threatened, or arrested on some trumped charge for talking back nasty to a cop, but a beatdown like that? Never.

why is it that we can't get past the race issue?Because racism is still alive and well in this country, especially down South.

As far as the old man commenting and saying he didn't think it was racially motivated, well it's like I said in my last post. He might not be trying to draw any more attention than is necessary. But it should continue to be investigated, regardless of what he says.He's probably scared to death to say it. He might get a visit later on down the road after the cameras stop rolling.

esme

10-11-2005, 03:32 PM

TofuNinja

10-11-2005, 04:12 PM

Yeah I think when the person who got the beat down says it is NOT racial then who are we to go against that... I think that he is right, the peeps who beat him are just bad apples.

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 06:20 PM

that's it. thanks Cubsfan. although i saw his interview on CBS, not Fox actually.
http://www.foxnews.com/
click on "Video: Victim Speaks"

and do listen to the WHOLE interview especially the LAST 28 seconds.
Thank you for that video... that somewhat backs most of what you said. However, I do have a few words of clarification here.

He does not blame the Black officer on horseback for starting this mess as you implied earlier.. he blames him for not trying to stop it.

Here is what you said...

edit: just saw an interview with Mr. Davis on TV. he says he was talking to a police officier who was on horseback and asked him if there was a curfew. the officier was very rude to him and when he told the officier his response was rude he initiated the ruckus against him. he claims this officier could've prevented the whole ordeal from happening, and for that reason he claims this wasn't race based. seems the officier he is speaking of was black.

Where the problem is... there is a separation of 2 separate officers here, which your comments did not address. The Black Officer (by Davis' account, yet not seen in the video footage highlighted in "blue" above) did not issue the "rude remarks" to Davis... nor did he try to stop the melee that followed next. If that is the case, then yeah... he can be put to blame for that (but probably won't be prosecuted for it), however I dunno if the N.O.P.D. have the "Blue Codes" where fellow officers won't step in and try to stop what they feel is wrongdoing by their fellow men in blue... (similar to events depicted by the movie "The Glass Shield".)

The officer in "red" is the one who started the ruckus.. yet Mr. Davis blames the officer in "blue".

Man... they must've really hit this guy REALLY REALLY hard to make him want to place the blame of this on the Black Officer (or in Davis' words... "He sactioned it by his (in)actions")

Oh well... I can't wait for them to finally show the face of the officer on horseback... And hear why he didn't step in to stop his fellow officers in this pummelling... or his justification for not stepping.

Yup... I'm sure that there is more to come on this story.

yes i am a liar DF, a fabricator.
fercripessakes,i have no reason to make up what i've heard. i DID NOT hear wrong. :2far:
you'll find out soon enough i was speaking the truth, and it came right from Mr. Davis' mouth.
I never said you were a fabricator... but I just wanted to see it for myself. People can hear things wrong, but this time you didn't and it has been clarified.

I guess it's always "Fox News" getting to the details huh...

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 06:31 PM

ok ....there was a black officer involved ....so if it would've been a white man being beat down .....then would it have been racist?

so the black officer involved went against his own .....damn .....
No.. he chose not to get involved, which in this case is being seen as he condoned it.

But to be honest, the only man I see in the vid on horse sure looks WHITE to me... but hey, the Cajuns and Creoles are a fair skinned bunch sometimes.

Yeah I think when the person who got the beat down says it is NOT racial then who are we to go against that... I think that he is right, the peeps who beat him are just bad apples.
To be honest, what I hear him saying is... the N.O. Police Department is not racist... (they are heroes) but a few bad apples exist on the force (who by themselves committed what looks like a racist act.)

MikeD

10-11-2005, 06:46 PM

nickel

10-11-2005, 06:48 PM

No.. he chose not to get involved, which in this case is being seen as he condoned it.

But to be honest, the only man I see in the vid on horse sure looks WHITE to me... but hey, the Cajuns and Creoles are a fair skinned bunch sometimes.

To be honest, what I hear him saying is... the N.O. Police Department is not racist... (they are heroes) but a few bad apples exist on the force (who by themselves committed what looks like a racist act.)
so Mr Davis is the liar now? he says the freakin cop on the horse whom he spoke with and who he holds accountable for the incident is black. :banghead:
the video clearly showing he said this was on numerous newsites, not just Fox.
he is gaining nothing by saying this! except telling the truth about what his feelings are about the ordeal.

why are you saying the black cop chose not to get involved? HE WAS INVOLVED. he was party to the incident. :2far:

here's something to consider: every single act of a white person against a black person or a black person against a white person is NOT racially motivated. sometimes the people involved are just total jerks and aren't prompted to be jerks because of skin color.
it does happen.

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 06:55 PM

eSDee

10-11-2005, 06:56 PM

http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91081

MikeD

10-11-2005, 06:57 PM

http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91081

Thanks eSDee...I searched for it, just obviously not thorough enough.

Pretty sparse response overall, though... :spock:

We hadn't seen the story yet... Why not start a new thread on it so we can discuss it too.

Someone did. You didn't post.

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 06:59 PM

Someone did. You didn't post.
See my edit above...

Obviously you don't even remember YOUR OWN participation in it... to be bringin it up now. :heh:

http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showpost.php?p=904711&postcount=10

MikeD

10-11-2005, 07:00 PM

BTW... that story is dated August 25th... why did you wait until now to post it up?

Just trying to make a point, that's all. Point made.

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 07:01 PM

Just trying to make a point, that's all...
They were wrong as well.. and need to be duly punished. What's the "point" you are trying to make here?

nickel

10-11-2005, 07:01 PM

See my edit above...

Obviously you don't even remember YOUR OWN participation in it... to be bringin it up now. :heh:

http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showpost.php?p=904711&postcount=10
not as memorable because it wasn't a racially charged thread like this one maybe :shrug:

MikeD

10-11-2005, 07:02 PM

They were wrong as well.. and need to be duly punished. What's the "point" you are trying to make here?

I'm pretty sure you figured it out on your own...

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 07:03 PM

I'm pretty sure you figured it out on your own...
In other words... you HAVE NO POINT.

Go refill your bait bucket... it looks like you are runnin' a bit low...

not as memorable because it wasn't a racially charged thread like this one maybe :shrug:
Could be... but I truly never saw it. (Believe it or not... that does happen from time to time.)

I'm sure if it had become a 4 to 5 pager... I may have ventured into it. :D

MikeD

10-11-2005, 07:05 PM

In other words... you HAVE NO POINT.

Go refill your bait bucket... it looks like you are runnin' a bit low...

Ahh, nice try. But since you've been squirming out of corners all day, I'll play along.

It's about race..and how some folks are quick to look at thru the tinge of race-colored glasses when it's about black victims...but sometimes lose their focus when white folks are the victims (or blacks are the perpetrators).

DF, you've been all over this thread from post #1. Yet you couldn't even find your way into that thread. Amazing, huh...

You'll squirm and wiggle, mention Rodney King or some other BS like you pulled earlier, and back out of this one too. But I'll repeat: point made.

zenbooty

10-11-2005, 07:16 PM

Not to hijack the thread, but...

If we're all so concerned about the beating in New Orleans, and how it was white cops beating a black man...

How come those of you so concerned about race didn't post about the troops, at least one of whom is white, fresh back from Iraq being mugged and beaten in Seattle by three black men? Just wondering...Because the blacks in that case weren't cops sworn to protect and serve. People beat up on people all the time. But its a bigger deal when its the police doing the beating.

And I really wasn't trying to start a race riot with my original comment. I was just annoyed by someone's quip that "that wouldn't have happened if he weren't drunk," since his drunkenness on Bourbon St. had nothing to do with it. So I said, "more likely it woudn't have happened if he weren't black." Its true, I have no doubt, even if the cops weren't itching to go beat up black people that night, the way blacks are generally perceived by whites down there meant it was no big deal to the cop to beat the **** out of the guy for annoying him. Racism made the reaction possible and plausible to the guy. But he didn't out and out decide that he was just going to beat the man for being black. So I wouldn't say the beating was racially motivated, but the man's capability to do violence to the guy for annoying him or talking back to him was fueled by racism more than likely.

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 07:19 PM

Ahh, nice try. But since you've been squirming out of corners all day, I'll play along.

It's about race..and how some folks are quick to look at thru the tinge of race-colored glasses when it's about black victims...but sometimes lose their focus when white folks are the victims (or blacks are the perpetrators).

DF, you've been all over this thread from post #1. Yet you couldn't even find your way into that thread. Amazing, huh...

You'll squirm and wiggle, mention Rodney King or some other BS like you pulled earlier, and back out of this one too. But I'll repeat: point made.
Point up your butt... is more like it. :hmm:

I started this thread... therefore, yeah.. I'm all over it. And I know that you analyze everything I say with a microscope... and you are just waiting for me to give you something to hook into....

But your bait stinks... and I ain't bitin'... :nono:

MikeD

10-11-2005, 07:23 PM

People beat up on people all the time. But its a bigger deal when its the police doing the beating.

Zen, you're right. I'll agree with that...

I was just annoyed by someone's quip that "that wouldn't have happened if he weren't drunk," since his drunkenness on Bourbon St. had nothing to do with it. So I said, "more likely it woudn't have happened if he weren't black." Its true, I have no doubt, even if the cops weren't itching to go beat up black people that night, the way blacks are generally perceived by whites down there meant it was no big deal to the cop to beat the **** out of the guy for annoying him. Racism made the reaction possible and plausible to the guy. But he didn't out and out decide that he was just going to beat the man for being black. So I wouldn't say the beating was racially motivated, but the man's capability to do violence to the guy for annoying him or talking back to him was fueled by racism more than likely.

I was the one who made that comment. I stated..."but it should be said that he wouldn't have been in that position if he hadn't been drunk in public. Some of the fault rests at his feet as well."

Looking back, I probably should have clarified my point a bit better. I was simply trying to say (and I did say it later on), that if he wasn't publicly intoxicated, he might not have been in that position.

Are people drunk in public in NO all the time? Sure. Does that mean they should catch the beatdown? Of course not.

If the problem with racism in NO is as bad as you state (I've never been there), then one should probably consider being drunk in public as an activity they shouldn't undertake. That's all I was trying to say.

Thanks for clarifying your point.

Point up your butt... is more like it. :hmm:

I started this thread... therefore, yeah.. I'm all over it. And I know that you analyze everything I say with a microscope... and you are just waiting for me to give you something to hook into....

But your bait stinks... and I ain't bitin'... :nono:

Thanks for speaking to the comments that I made about the alternate thread. I appreciate you staying on point.

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 08:00 PM

I was the one who made that comment. I stated..."but it should be said that he wouldn't have been in that position if he hadn't been drunk in public. Some of the fault rests at his feet as well."

Looking back, I probably should have clarified my point a bit better. I was simply trying to say (and I did say it later on), that if he wasn't publicly intoxicated, he might not have been in that position.

Are people drunk in public in NO all the time? Sure. Does that mean they should catch the beatdown? Of course not.

If the problem with racism in NO is as bad as you state (I've never been there), then one should probably consider being drunk in public as an activity they shouldn't undertake. That's all I was trying to say.

But Mr. Davis says that he hasn't taken a drink in 25 years... and wasn't drunk. :shrug: Yet he still got beat down... (I wonder if they ever took a breathalyzer test to prove that or not...)

Got another clarification for that... :D (Probably something to the "assumption he was drunk" by the cops in question.)

MikeD

10-11-2005, 08:10 PM

But Mr. Davis says that he hasn't taken a drink in 25 years... and wasn't drunk. :shrug: Yet he still got beat down... (I wonder if they ever took a breathalyzer test to prove that or not...)

Oh, I don't know there DF...maybe we shouldn't believe Mr. Davis. After all, we've gone over how we can't be certain that everyone tells the truth. Maybe he's...shhhh...lying about it. :shifty:

Got another clarification for that... :D (Probably something to the "assumption he was drunk" by the cops in question.)

Nah, I guess I'll just run and hide from the issue...I learned how to do that from someone right here on G/A! :)

DarkFury

10-11-2005, 10:41 PM

Oh, I don't know there DF...maybe we shouldn't believe Mr. Davis. After all, we've gone over how we can't be certain that everyone tells the truth. Maybe he's...shhhh...lying about it. :shifty:
Do you believe he was drunk?

Nah, I guess I'll just run and hide from the issue...I learned how to do that from someone right here on G/A! :)
Only the fishes are hiding... :heh:

TofuNinja

10-11-2005, 11:17 PM

To be honest, what I hear him saying is... the N.O. Police Department is not racist... (they are heroes) but a few bad apples exist on the force (who by themselves committed what looks like a racist act.)

That is not what I read it as... but people see what they want to see....

MikeD

10-12-2005, 04:27 AM

Do you believe he was drunk?

Only the fishes are hiding... :heh:

Dance, my friend, dance!!! :cool:

DarkFury

10-12-2005, 09:12 AM

That is not what I read it as... but people see what they want to see....
So be it... but I watched alot of clips from different news places last night to come to my conclusion.

Dance, my friend, dance!!! :cool:
I refuse to dance for you... I don't like that kind of music you play.

esme

10-12-2005, 09:18 AM

So I wouldn't say the beating was racially motivated, but the man's capability to do violence to the guy for annoying him or talking back to him was fueled by racism more than likely.

that's the problem right there .....everyone ASSUMES that it was because of his skin color .....come on now!! the man himself has said that it was not race realted and it was caused because of the other cops' attitude .....why can't we just leave it at that .....instead everyone's trying to grind that race issue whatever way possible ...... :|

the cop didn't like that Mr. Davis pointed out his rudeness and got upset over it ....they're the authority and some don't like to be called out like that .....i guess you can say that in a way (not a good one) he was showing Mr. Davis that he's a cop and nobody can talk to him like that .....

in my opinion .....the cops were at fault .....even if the victim was or was not drinking .....they shouldn't have gone so far .....BUT let's put the race issue to the side ..... :2far:

DarkFury

10-12-2005, 11:09 AM

By that line of thinking... I guess most of these types of beatdowns are NEVER about race...

I'm still not buying that, even if the victim doesn't acknowlege it... but hey, it's my own opinion and i'm entitled to it.

I did however notice that the cops didn't lay a finger on the White lady who was screaming at them to leave Mr. Davis alone...although they told her to step aside several times during the melee (maybe they only rough up guys who don't do what they tell them to do) and right now, they are looking for her to be an eyewitness to the event. She was just outside of "camera range" for the video footage.. however someone else had some footage that showed her about 10 feet from the action screaming at the cops.

eSDee

10-12-2005, 11:16 AM

Exactly. You can't just shove the race issue to the side until it is investigated. If they did simply disregard it and it turned out these guys were racist, then you have done an injustice to not only the victim, but to the good cops out there as well.

DarkFury

10-12-2005, 11:29 AM

so Mr Davis is the liar now? he says the freakin cop on the horse whom he spoke with and who he holds accountable for the incident is black. :banghead:
the video clearly showing he said this was on numerous newsites, not just Fox.
he is gaining nothing by saying this! except telling the truth about what his feelings are about the ordeal.

"Accountable" and "Starting the whole thing" are two different things... as I was trying to point out to you.

why are you saying the black cop chose not to get involved? HE WAS INVOLVED. he was party to the incident. :2far:

here's something to consider: every single act of a white person against a black person or a black person against a white person is NOT racially motivated. sometimes the people involved are just total jerks and aren't prompted to be jerks because of skin color.
it does happen.
I am saying that the Black cop (wherever he was) didn't get involved with the actual beating of Mr. Davis. Who knows... that cop could have ridden off as Mr. Davis crossed the street... and was gone before the situation happened. We just don't know... He can't be seen in the video and no news source has realeased who he was. Davis himself admits that after the first couple of shots to the head... he doesn't remember anything after that, so how did he know that the Black cop was still there?

C'mon now... going by "what you see" and "what they said", none of the authorities have brought this "Black Cop" forward as responsible for what happend... yet because Mr. Davis says he holds him responsible, then why do you think that none of the investigators have called him in for questioning?

It just doesn't seem right to me... What if the guy on horseback really wasn't Black and Mr. Davis mistook him for that. There are some French Creoles in N.O. that have a mildly darker (almost olive) complection that aren't "Black". Yet, we still can't identify this man... :hmm:

Ok... whatever, those cops were just "non racist jerks" beating up senior citizens in the street. After all of the investigations are done, then we'll see what comes of it.

esme

10-12-2005, 11:30 AM

I'm still not buying that, even if the victim doesn't acknowlege it... but hey, it's my own opinion and i'm entitled to it.

of course ....everyone's entitled to their opinion no one's taking that from you .....but the investigation's not even over yet and alot of people are jumping to conclusions that it was because he's black .....

just MY opinion :wavey2:

DarkFury

10-12-2005, 11:32 AM

of course ....everyone's entitled to their opinion no one's taking that from you .....but the investigation's not even over yet and alot of people are jumping to conclusions that it was because he's black .....

just MY opinion :wavey2:
Only time will tell...

We'll still be watching... :shifty:

eSDee

10-12-2005, 11:46 AM

.....but the investigation's not even over yet and alot of people are jumping to conclusions that it was because he's black .....
:

Let's just wait and see what they find out. Saying that it wasn't racially motivated is jumping to a conclusion as well.

esme

10-12-2005, 11:51 AM

Let's just wait and see what they find out. Saying that it wasn't racially motivated is jumping to a conclusion as well.

i don't think i've actually said .... no, it wasn't racially motivated .....if i'm wrong please correct me ......i did quote what Mr. Davis said ....but he was only involved, what would he know, right?

i'm just saying that we can just see a black man being beat and say ....oh, it's because he's black ......

:2far:

nickel

10-12-2005, 12:12 PM

Let's just wait and see what they find out. Saying that it wasn't racially motivated is jumping to a conclusion as well.
even when the investigation is over, some people are still going to believe it was a hate crime.

you can lead a horse to water. . .

MikeD

10-12-2005, 12:13 PM

We'll still be watching... :shifty:

You betcha...yes sir, we sure will. :hmm:

nickel

10-12-2005, 12:14 PM

"Accountable" and "Starting the whole thing" are two different things... as I was trying to point out to you.

I am saying that the Black cop (wherever he was) didn't get involved with the actual beating of Mr. Davis. Who knows... that cop could have ridden off as Mr. Davis crossed the street... and was gone before the situation happened. We just don't know... He can't be seen in the video and no news source has realeased who he was. Davis himself admits that after the first couple of shots to the head... he doesn't remember anything after that, so how did he know that the Black cop was still there?

C'mon now... going by "what you see" and "what they said", none of the authorities have brought this "Black Cop" forward as responsible for what happend... yet because Mr. Davis says he holds him responsible, then why do you think that none of the investigators have called him in for questioning?

It just doesn't seem right to me... What if the guy on horseback really wasn't Black and Mr. Davis mistook him for that. There are some French Creoles in N.O. that have a mildly darker (almost olive) complection that aren't "Black". Yet, we still can't identify this man... :hmm:

Ok... whatever, those cops were just "non racist jerks" beating up senior citizens in the street. After all of the investigations are done, then we'll see what comes of it.
what if? what if? what if?

i've come to the conclusion that you will think what you want to think no matter what. :2far:

DarkFury

10-12-2005, 12:48 PM

what if? what if? what if?

i've come to the conclusion that you will think what you want to think no matter what. :2far:
With conclusive proof... anything is possible.

Seeing is believing... and based on all the reports flying out there, everyone is questioning everyone.

Now, even the police defense attorneys are claiming that the events occurred differently than what Mr. Davis recounts. So which story is correct? All we know (from what we have seen) is that an older dark skinned Black man got beaten down by 3 (maybe 4, if you count the guy holding his leg...) white/light skinned people. And then the assumptions flow from there.

I'm still looking forward to all of the "eyewitness reports" of the people who saw it happen but didn't participate in it. Those are the people who I will hope will let the truth be known. Find that initial mounted officer (whether he is Black or not), Find the White lady who screamed for them to stop, Find the News reporter who got pushed around, and a half dozen of others standing around observing and let THEM tell us what happened.

There are just too many dayuum witnesses to this to be basing our assumptions on only the accounts of the victim (who admits that he was somewhat unconcious during the melee) and the officers in question. Let us get all the facts in... then we can pass our judgement.

As far as my opinion goes... well, it is what it is... The facts shall tell the real story.

eSDee

10-12-2005, 01:04 PM

i don't think i've actually said .... no, it wasn't racially motivated .....if i'm wrong please correct me ......i did quote what Mr. Davis said ....but he was only involved, what would he know, right?

i'm just saying that we can just see a black man being beat and say ....oh, it's because he's black ......

:2far:

I am discussing the issue with you not arguing. Don't take my quoting you as an attack.

even when the investigation is over, some people are still going to believe it was a hate crime.

you can lead a horse to water. . .

That sounds to me like you have made up your mind already that it wasn't a hate crime. And that is what I am saying is the problem. The investigation is not over yet, and so it could go either way. But people on both sides have their minds made up either way and the results of the investigation are not going to sway it. That is the real problem.

nickel

10-12-2005, 01:12 PM

I am discussing the issue with you not arguing. Don't take my quoting you as an attack.

That sounds to me like you have made up your mind already that it wasn't a hate crime. And that is what I am saying is the problem. The investigation is not over yet, and so it could go either way. But people on both sides have their minds made up either way and the results of the investigation are not going to sway it. That is the real problem.
nope, i am pretty open minded on such things. i am just trying to show that i find credible what the victim himself has said.

esme

10-12-2005, 01:16 PM

I am discussing the issue with you not arguing. Don't take my quoting you as an attack.

but i'm not taking it as that ......not sure how you got that from what i wrote .... ???

anyhow ......it's funny how some say that "well mr. davis said that he hasn't drank alcohol in like "x" years .....he said that he wasn't drunk" and he's believeable BUT when others quote him as saying "it wasn't racial" it's not believeable? huh .....

btw .....that's not from anything you (eSDeeLoco) said ..... just fyi

MikeD

10-12-2005, 01:58 PM

it's funny how some say that "well mr. davis said that he hasn't drank alcohol in like "x" years .....he said that he wasn't drunk" and he's believeable BUT when others quote him as saying "it wasn't racial" it's not believeable? huh .....

:stupid:

DarkFury

10-12-2005, 02:12 PM

but i'm not taking it as that ......not sure how you got that from what i wrote .... ???

anyhow ......it's funny how some say that "well mr. davis said that he hasn't drank alcohol in like "x" years .....he said that he wasn't drunk" and he's believeable BUT when others quote him as saying "it wasn't racial" it's not believeable? huh .....

btw .....that's not from anything you (eSDeeLoco) said ..... just fyi
Honestly, with the conflicting reports... the officers say he was, he says he wasn't...

In an earlier post of this thread... I mentioned whether or not they took a breathalyzer test on him... just to prove yes or no to this part of the issue. That evidence or lack of is somewhat damaging one way or the other... (If they do have that evidence and it shows positive, then the victim is gonna be painted as a liar which is gonna damage his testimony's credibility. If the evidence shows negative, then the cops are gonna get majorly damaged by them "assuming" that the victim was drunk... either way, it doesn't excuse them from beating the man, but it would probably aid in defending their case as to why they used such excessive force.

Basically, so many folks are saying so many things... that I'm now of the opinion of letting the facts and eyewitnesses come out and speak their piece (part) and their peace (conscience) on the topic to get all the available facts and opinions of the people on the scene.

eSDee

10-12-2005, 03:37 PM

anyhow ......it's funny how some say that "well mr. davis said that he hasn't drank alcohol in like "x" years .....he said that he wasn't drunk" and he's believeable BUT when others quote him as saying "it wasn't racial" it's not believeable? huh .....

The difference is that he knows that if he drank alcohol or not and be does not know if the cops beat him down because he was black. He can only assume the second one.

cheapie

10-12-2005, 03:55 PM

snipped

but df, assuming it's about racism is racist in itself. i would agree that MANY times it has/is a factor. but making the assumption until proven otherwise is racist as well.

btw, they showed afterward one of the cops shoving and pinning a white guy on the cop car yelling at him to get out of there. so...:shrug:

esme

10-12-2005, 03:57 PM

btw, they showed afterward one of the cops shoving and pinning a white guy on the cop car yelling at him to get out of there. so...:shrug:

thanks for bringing that up .....forgot about that ....

wasn't the camera man white?? wait .....or was he just "light skinned"

:shrug:

so .....the white cops were all over the white camera man ....huh ....damn racists! ****JUST MY OPINION!****

InfiniteNothing

10-12-2005, 04:04 PM

but df, assuming it's about racism is racist in itself. i would agree that MANY times it has/is a factor. but making the assumption until proven otherwise is racist as well.

Just wondering but how does that work? That is, what's racist about assuming someones a racist? Where's the predisposition based on skin color. Also why do we need proof for an opinion, can we call OJ a murderer even if it isn't proven? Can we call Sharpton/Jackson shakedown artists even if it isn't proven?

thanks for bringing that up .....forgot about that ....

wasn't the camera man white?? wait .....or was he just "light skinned"

:shrug:

so .....the white cops were all over the white camera man ....huh ....damn racists! ****JUST MY OPINION!****

Well, I don't think you're right but I have to concede we did determine (in another thread) that you can be racist against your own race.

cheapie

10-12-2005, 04:09 PM

how? because you're making an assumption based on the color of skin. white cops beating on black man = racism.

and i don't understand the oj and sharpton/jackson connection. folks think oj is guilty because of the evidence. regardless of whether or not he is in fact guilty, they aren't assuming he's guilty because of his color.

again, sharpton and jackson's actions are criticized because of their actions. nobody is saying, i'm assuming they are shakedown artists because they are black.

InfiniteNothing

10-12-2005, 04:10 PM

but i'm not taking it as that ......not sure how you got that from what i wrote .... ???

anyhow ......it's funny how some say that "well mr. davis said that he hasn't drank alcohol in like "x" years .....he said that he wasn't drunk" and he's believeable BUT when others quote him as saying "it wasn't racial" it's not believeable? huh .....

btw .....that's not from anything you (eSDeeLoco) said ..... just fyi

We tend to believe things people can observe directly. If I tell you the plant in front of me is red, well I'm the first hand observer and you may feel inclined to give me the benefit of the doubt noting that many plants use caratene as well as chlorophyl for energy absorbtion. But if I told you that cheapie's favorite color is red (assuming I didn't know him well or spent a great deal of time stalking him) you might not believe me because it's not something I can observe of him directly.

how? because you're making an assumption based on the color of skin. white cops beating on black man = racism.

and i don't understand the oj and sharpton/jackson connection. folks think oj is guilty because of the evidence. regardless of whether or not he is in fact guilty, they aren't assuming he's guilty because of his color.

again, sharpton and jackson's actions are criticized because of their actions. nobody is saying, i'm assuming they are shakedown artists because they are black.

How do you know that's the basis of one's decision?

Okay. My point with OJ was that we can assume things without proof. Glad you agree.

But you have no proof that they are shakedown artists.

DarkFury

10-12-2005, 06:30 PM

but df, assuming it's about racism is racist in itself. i would agree that MANY times it has/is a factor. but making the assumption until proven otherwise is racist as well.

btw, they showed afterward one of the cops shoving and pinning a white guy on the cop car yelling at him to get out of there. so...:shrug:
But cheapie, I never even said that it ONLY was about racism... however I do believe that there are racist undertones to this entire affair.

The photographer getting shoved did show that "the sharks were in the water", however just notice that a bunch of folks didn't run over there an beat him down for getting into a tangle with that officer... Gettin' yelled at is one thing... getting beat to sleep is quite another.

Personally, in a situation like that, I just do what the officers say... cause I don't wanna get beat to sleep... which I know from personal experience is VERY easy to happen in a situation like that.

DarkFury

10-12-2005, 06:37 PM

thanks for bringing that up .....forgot about that ....

wasn't the camera man white?? wait .....or was he just "light skinned"

:shrug:

so .....the white cops were all over the white camera man ....huh ....damn racists! ****JUST MY OPINION!****
Feed the beast... FEED IT!! :heh:

Please refer to my comments above. :D

Just wondering but how does that work? That is, what's racist about assuming someones a racist? Where's the predisposition based on skin color. Also why do we need proof for an opinion, can we call OJ a murderer even if it isn't proven? Can we call Sharpton/Jackson shakedown artists even if it isn't proven?

how? because you're making an assumption based on the color of skin. white cops beating on black man = racism.

and i don't understand the oj and sharpton/jackson connection. folks think oj is guilty because of the evidence. regardless of whether or not he is in fact guilty, they aren't assuming he's guilty because of his color.

again, sharpton and jackson's actions are criticized because of their actions. nobody is saying, i'm assuming they are shakedown artists because they are black.
How da heck did OJ, Al, and Jessie get in this thread....

TRAIN WRECK!!!! TRAIN WRECK!!!!

Dayuum Infinite and Cheapie... see what y'all did. :heh:

Airencracken

10-12-2005, 06:58 PM

Chapelle: Let's sprinkle some crack on him and get the hell outta here.

InfiniteNothing

10-12-2005, 07:02 PM

Feed the beast... FEED IT!! :heh:

Please refer to my comments above. :D

How da heck did OJ, Al, and Jessie get in this thread....

TRAIN WRECK!!!! TRAIN WRECK!!!!

Dayuum Infinite and Cheapie... see what y'all did. :heh:

:thumbup: I need a calling card

MikeD

10-12-2005, 07:30 PM

How da heck did OJ, Al, and Jessie get in this thread....

:lmfao:

For real!

And it wasn't even you that brought them up... :thumbup: (even though you did manage to bring Rodney King in).

DarkFury

10-12-2005, 07:52 PM

:lmfao:

For real!

And it wasn't even you that brought them up... :thumbup: (even though you did manage to bring Rodney King in).
At least Rodney King has somewhat of a direct relation to all of this.. i.e. "police beat down" caught on tape.

MikeD

10-12-2005, 07:55 PM

At least Rodney King has somewhat of a direct relation to all of this.. i.e. "police beat down" caught on tape.

Yeah...hey, can someone get F. Lee Bailey and Robert Shapiro on the horn? We've some cops in New Orleans who could use help in buying an acquital.

:hihi:

dougadam

10-13-2005, 04:10 AM

This is very sad to see.

cheapie

10-13-2005, 08:52 AM

How do you know that's the basis of one's decision?

Okay. My point with OJ was that we can assume things without proof. Glad you agree.

But you have no proof that they are shakedown artists.

:disa: we can assume things without proof but we shouldn't assume things without some sort of evidence. i just strongly dislike it when people immediately think an action is racist by default until proven otherwise. cooohhh....a black guy is getting beaten by a cop. RACISM!!! maybe. or maybe the black guy just committed a crime and is resisting. or, maybe the cop is just stupid and is going over the line.

btw, wth are you talking about w/jackson and sharpton? i have always claimed they are attn whores, not shakedown artists. and how would one get proof that they are either?

the only way they would be relevant to this conversation is if i looked at the color of their skin, looked at the color of the intended recipients of their angst, and said, "they're black guys yelling at white guys. they must be attn whores."

that's not the case at all. in my posts regarding them i have cited specific examples of their bull**** and why i think those actions are bull****.

InfiniteNothing

10-13-2005, 09:16 AM

cheapie

10-16-2005, 01:19 PM

I'll ask again, what makes you think that there's no other evidence than the cop's race?

A side note: what you consider attention whoring is not what another person may consider attention whoring. In very much the same way the actions of the cops may be interpreted by some to be racist. My point with those two didn't have to do with race but with subjectivity.

dude...you really need to think through your posts before hitting the submit button. :rolleyes:

df is saying that when he sees white cops beating on a black man he assumes it's racially motivated, or at least has strong racial undertones until proven otherwise.

and wth are you talking about re: attn whoring? df is saying that because of the races involved in the beating, blah blah blah. i have no freakin' idea what sharpton and jackson have to do with this? did you just select a couple of black guys i dislike and try to muddy the waters?

nickel

12-21-2005, 12:38 PM

update:

Two New Orleans Cops Axed in Taped Assault
The Associated Press

NEW ORLEANS — Two of the officers videotaped by the Associated Press beating a man in the French Quarter shortly after Hurricane Katrina were fired Tuesday. A third oficer was suspended.

Officers Robert Evangelist and Lance Shilling were fired for their role in the beating of 64-year-old Robert Davis.

Officer Stuart Smith was suspended for 120 days.

Davis is black; the three officers are white.

Evangelist and Schilling were accused of battery on Davis. Smith was accused of battery of a reporter.

All three officers had been suspended without pay since the Oct. 8 incident. They have pleaded not guilty to the charges and face trial Jan. 11.

Davis, a retired elementary school teacher who returned to the storm-struck city to check on his properties, said he was searching for cigarettes in the French Quarter when police grabbed him.

The Associated Press Television News tape shows an officer hitting Davis at least four times on the head. Davis appeared to resist, twisting and flailing as he was dragged to the ground by four officers.

One of the officers kneed Davis and punched him twice. Davis was face-down on the sidewalk with blood streaming down his arm and into the gutter.

A fifth officer ordered APTN producer Rich Matthews and the cameraman to stop recording. When Matthews held up his credentials, the officer grabbed the producer, leaned him backward over a car, jabbed him in the stomach and unleashed a profanity-laced tirade.

Davis later pleaded not guilty to charges of public intoxication, resisting arrest, battery on a police officer and public intimidation.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/3540345.html

speedracer120

12-21-2005, 12:57 PM

Hopefully justice will prevail. I know they were wound up, but what they did was way too harsh.

DarkFury

12-21-2005, 06:08 PM

cheapie

12-21-2005, 06:14 PM

thanks goodness! that video was pretty disturbing. :2far:

Grimm

12-21-2005, 06:24 PM

So, does this mean their chances of getting on COPS is marginaly reduced?

nickel

12-21-2005, 07:41 PM

Those 2 officers got what they deserved.... based on the visual evidence.

Yet still no word on the Black officer that Mr. Davis claims is also responsible... Hmmmm.... Guess they can't find him huh? :shrug:
he wasn't involved in the beating so why would he need to be mentioned at this point? :shrug:

i don't think Mr. Davis imagined him. he did speak first with a black officer on a horse and asked him when the curfew was. that black officer answered him and then let the guys who eventually beat him take over. Davis' beef with him is that he might have been able to stop the incident from happening by taking charge of the situation, but he looked the other way.

Houdini

12-21-2005, 11:18 PM

Here are the cops that participated:
http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader2/files/NOCops/Daviscops.jpg

I think I know one of those guys. Have to ask him some questions next time I see him.

speedracer120

12-21-2005, 11:19 PM

You better hope he's in a good mood when you ask him about it. :heh:

Houdini

12-21-2005, 11:20 PM

Dude, this is New Orleans we're talking about. Public drunkenness is the norm there. Really. The only time that charge gets levelled at somebody is when the cops want to run someone out of the area. Otherwise, they'd have to arrest everybody.

Actually, public drunkenness isn't the norm right now. There are simply too few people around to be drunk. :shrug: A city of 500k people is now about 70k. Even the FQ is quiet.

You better hope he's in a good mood when you ask him about it. :heh:

If it's the same guy, and I think it is, he's actually a nice guy, from my very brief conversations with him.

But to be clear, I'm not defending anyone's actions. I wasn't there. I don't know the full story. Neither do most of us. Let's see what happens after the facts come out completely. And about the Katrina thing: Yes, people went a little nuts. Even National Guardsmen are prohibited from entering the FQ right now, as some asshats in a HUMMWV were involved in a fight. There are bad apples everywhere.

N.O. is pretty quiet right now, except for a few crimes here and there, including a potential and unconfirmed abduction a block from where I live (in a good neighborhood uptown.) But overall, it's pretty quiet. The population is less than a 1/4 of its pre-Katrina population, and will be for a LONG while until infrastructure and hospitals, etc., are back online inside the city. There were a few guys from MS-13 confirmed in the city, so that may be a threat, but overall, it's pretty damn safe. Guardsmen still are gathering intelligence and have taken over the roll of gathering intelligence, tracking crimes, and have arrest powers, so I feel pretty safe. They're even starting a city-wide Wi-Fi network, which I logged into in the FQ this evening.

zero2dash

12-22-2005, 08:30 AM

All three officers had been suspended without pay since the Oct. 8 incident. They have pleaded not guilty to the charges and face trial Jan. 11.

OMGWTF :nuts: :stupid:
"No, you didn't just totally beat the $#!t out of someone for no reason, which was all caught on camera, wherein you then also assaulted the cameraman responsible for the taping...BUT YOU'RE NOT GUILTY.

I hope these jerks get some serious time for this and several lawsuits. :mad:

Grimm

12-22-2005, 09:32 AM

OMGWTF :nuts: :stupid:
"No, you didn't just totally beat the $#!t out of someone for no reason, which was all caught on camera, wherein you then also assaulted the cameraman responsible for the taping...BUT YOU'RE NOT GUILTY.

I hope these jerks get some serious time for this and several lawsuits. :mad:
I hope they get a fair trial. If found guilty I hope they get a punishment appropriate forthe crime.

DarkFury

12-22-2005, 12:03 PM

he wasn't involved in the beating so why would he need to be mentioned at this point? :shrug:

i don't think Mr. Davis imagined him. he did speak first with a black officer on a horse and asked him when the curfew was. that black officer answered him and then let the guys who eventually beat him take over. Davis' beef with him is that he might have been able to stop the incident from happening by taking charge of the situation, but he looked the other way.
Because as YOU previously pointed out... Mr. Davis was adamant that he was responsible for this. Yet, he has never been identified. Not even remotely identified...

Pretty much, you'd think that if he was THAT close to the action, he woulda been brought in for questioning/testimony... but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

nickel

12-22-2005, 12:13 PM

Because as YOU previously pointed out... Mr. Davis was adamant that he was responsible for this. Yet, he has never been identified. Not even remotely identified...

Pretty much, you'd think that if he was THAT close to the action, he woulda been brought in for questioning/testimony... but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
don't yell at me.... :cry:

:P

DF, do you think this black officer is a figment of Mr. Davis' imagination? Do you also think he just made up the story about him?

if not then i don't see why you are continuing with this. the black officer did nothing wrong in the eyes of the law, and therefore won't be taken to court as the others are. he sounds like he left the scene and didn't witness what ensued. :shrug:

Mr. Davis probably doesn't even know the officer's name.

Houdini

12-22-2005, 10:39 PM

DarkFury

12-23-2005, 01:20 AM

don't yell at me.... :cry:

:P

DF, do you think this black officer is a figment of Mr. Davis' imagination? Do you also think he just made up the story about him?

if not then i don't see why you are continuing with this. the black officer did nothing wrong in the eyes of the law, and therefore won't be taken to court as the others are. he sounds like he left the scene and didn't witness what ensued. :shrug:

Mr. Davis probably doesn't even know the officer's name.
I wasn't yelling at you... I was just stressing my point...

Go back and read the beginnings of the thread... and how I was pressed about this beat down and that racism had no part of it since a Black officer was involved... yet he can't be found.

Here is the post where you jumped in on me with both feet
http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showpost.php?p=923665&postcount=29

I only continue it because it is part of this discussion... as more and more facts come out in the case.

It would have been nice if Mr. Davis had remembered the guy's name or badge number (rather than randomly accusing someone he can't now identify)... cause right now, he kinda is teetering the line of the truth versus the imagined. The only truth that we can confirm is that he got severely whipped like a dog in the street and his attackers were caught on film in the act. That much we know.

Maybe Mr. Davis mistook the guy for being a black guy... I've seen many darker skinned Creoles who probably pass for "Black"... so yeah... there is a chance that Mr. Davis was mistaken. Either way, whether he thinks so or not... there still could have been a racial motive behind this beating whether he acknowleges it or not, but I'm not even arguing that point since he is not challenging them on that issue.

My only disagreement with Mr. Davis is... he can't confirm this "so called guy" who may have left the scene before the beating began (he did mention that he was pulled across the street by one of the offending officers) and was not privy to the events that occured after that. Therefore it may be unfair of him to blame someone who wasn't still there on the scene... unless somehow they can prove that otherwise.

Can you at least see it from that POV? :shrug:

nickel

12-23-2005, 12:11 PM

I wasn't yelling at you... I was just stressing my point...

Go back and read the beginnings of the thread... and how I was pressed about this beat down and that racism had no part of it since a Black officer was involved... yet he can't be found.

Here is the post where you jumped in on me with both feet
http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showpost.php?p=923665&postcount=29

I only continue it because it is part of this discussion... as more and more facts come out in the case.

It would have been nice if Mr. Davis had remembered the guy's name or badge number (rather than randomly accusing someone he can't now identify)... cause right now, he kinda is teetering the line of the truth versus the imagined. The only truth that we can confirm is that he got severely whipped like a dog in the street and his attackers were caught on film in the act. That much we know.

Maybe Mr. Davis mistook the guy for being a black guy... I've seen many darker skinned Creoles who probably pass for "Black"... so yeah... there is a chance that Mr. Davis was mistaken. Either way, whether he thinks so or not... there still could have been a racial motive behind this beating whether he acknowleges it or not, but I'm not even arguing that point since he is not challenging them on that issue.

My only disagreement with Mr. Davis is... he can't confirm this "so called guy" who may have left the scene before the beating began (he did mention that he was pulled across the street by one of the offending officers) and was not privy to the events that occured after that. Therefore it may be unfair of him to blame someone who wasn't still there on the scene... unless somehow they can prove that otherwise.

Can you at least see it from that POV? :shrug:
yes, i see your point of view, and if i were blindfolded and someone read it to me and asked whose point of view is this of all the members on the board i would guess it was yours. :P

the only trouble i have with it is you seem to want to think that Mr Davis imagined the occurence with the black officer. i don't know why he would. it doesn't change anything.
so he didn't get the officer's name or think to look and memorize his badge number. that is understandable being that he didn't know what was about to happen to him after that.

DarkFury

12-23-2005, 07:04 PM

We can agree to disagree...

I disagree with him blaming it on a Black officer who didn't get involved and can't be produced for questioning (whether or not he was still there at the scene at the actual time of the beating). Oh well... life goes on.

Justice will (or will not) be served to those who we KNOW were involved from hard evidence. :shrug:

nickel

12-23-2005, 08:53 PM

DarkFury

07-25-2007, 08:48 AM

Justice will (or will not) be served to those who we KNOW were involved from hard evidence. :shrug:

I guess Justice REALLY is blind... or obviously it can't see visual evidence.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19940249/

Ex-policeman acquitted in Katrina beating case

Associated Press
Updated: 8:08 p.m. ET July 24, 2007

NEW ORLEANS - A former police officer accused in the videotaped beating of a man in the French Quarter after Hurricane Katrina was acquitted Tuesday by a judge who heard the case without a jury.

"I didn't even find this a close call," said District Judge Frank Marullo.

Robert Evangelist, 37, had been charged with beating Robert Davis, 66, during an arrest videotaped by an Associated Press Television News crew the night of Oct. 8, 2005, about six weeks after Katrina.

Evangelist, who elected to have his case heard by Marullo without a jury, pleaded not guilty to second-degree battery and false imprisonment. Marullo acquitted him of both counts.

Marullo watched videotapes of the beating and its aftermath and he noted that Davis could be seen struggling on the tape for several minutes.

"This event could have ended at any time if the man had put his hands behind his back," the judge said.

Evangelist and Lance Schilling were fired after being accused of the beating. Schilling killed himself June 10.

'Ignorant, unprofessional'
A third officer, Stuart Smith, was accused of a misdemeanor charge of simple battery against Associated Press producer Richard Matthews. Marullo threw out that charge because prosecutors improperly used a statement he made to police, said Smith's attorney, Eric Hessler. Smith served a 120-day suspension and remains on the force.

The officers said Davis, who had returned to New Orleans to check his property, started a confrontation after they stopped him on suspicion of being drunk. Davis, who was booked with public intoxication but never charged, said he hadn't been drinking.

Davis testified Tuesday that he was headed to buy cigarettes in the French Quarter when he asked a police officer what time a curfew took effect that night. Before the officer could answer, a different officer cut him off, Davis said.

"Those were ignorant, unprofessional and rude officers," Davis recalled saying as he walked away from the policemen.

'Well within police standards'
Moments later, an officer grabbed him from behind, threw him against a wall and punched his face, Davis testified. His assailant uttered a racial epithet during the attack, he said.

"I don't remember very much after that point," Davis said.

Franz Zibilich, one of Evangelist's attorneys, said his client "acted appropriately and well within police standards."

Dr. Frances Smith, who treated Davis at an emergency room, testified that he suffered facial fractures. Davis said he still feels lingering physical effects from the attack.

WTF!!!! Shoulda known that these guys (except for the one that killed himself) would get off (and away) with the beating they gave this guy. :2far:

Utter bullsh@t.... but hey, that's the sorta thing that some of us already expect from the justice system, hence my own personal apprehension with having anything to do with our legal system (even though I'd say I don't fit the typical profile of someone likely to get into legal trouble like that... but at random, it COULD happen :eek: ).

I guess police officers can elect to be judged WITHOUT a jury of their peers... since as citizens, WE are NOT their peers. More or less, this just re-emphasizes the fact that they can do just about anything they want to you... as long as they can claim that you "resisted" them (even if you are trying to partially defend yourself from a beatdown, be it right or wrong.) while they impose their will on you.

I'm not gonna say that all police are like this... but honestly, it's the ones like these guys that REALLY do put a special kind of fear into the back of my head (and hopefully that fear doesn't come with a side order of billy club, blackjack, taser, and/or bullets...)

:sad: :2far:

eSDee

07-25-2007, 01:05 PM

That's messed up. Frickin crooked judge :2far:

*edit* Here's the video in case anyone wants to see it again:

http://www.ifilm.com/video/2681516

Houdini

07-25-2007, 05:57 PM

The cop that was acquitted looks sleazy as hell. The video doesn't show much until you get around the horse's ass (so to speak) and see him getting beaten in the head over and over. Problem with videos like this is that you never know what led up to what you see.

Still, looks utterly ridiculous. Post-Katrina police were doing all sorts of stupid things. Mostly under orders from Nagin/Riley - smashing heirloom rifles, etc. The National Guard was all over the place, and they were damn professional though.

I've had good and semi-good experiences with NOPD. One cop wrote me a ticket for hydroplaning through a red light at 2am, but apologized, saying he didn't think I deserved it, but his sergeant made him write it. Lots of BS like that, and that one was actually a racist act against me, implied by the black policeman - on the part of his sergeant.

All-in-all, except for in a few regions, like in the FQ where they definitely do have a plan to improve, the NOPD kinda sucks right now. No wonder they're having trouble recruiting. That and they have this insane rule that you have to live in NOLA to be NOPD - can't live in the suburbs, etc.