"Hobbits" may have existed 15K years ago

[InfiniteNothing]

Scientists say they have found more bones in an Indonesian cave that offer additional evidence of a second human species - short and hobbit-like - that roamed the Earth the same time as modern man.

But the vocal scientific minority that has challenged that conclusion since the discovery of Homo floresiensis was announced last year remains unconvinced.

The discovery of a jaw bone, to be reported in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature, represents the ninth individual belonging to a group believed to have lived as recently as 12,000 years ago. The bones are in a wet cave on the island of Flores in the eastern limb of the Indonesian archipelago, near Australia.

In 2004, scientists announced their original, sensational discovery of a delicate skull and partial skeleton of a female, nicknamed "Hobbit" and believed to be 18,000 years old. In addition, they found separate bones and fragments of other individuals ranging in age from 12,000 to 95,000 years old.

Link (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HOBBIT_JAW?SITE=CADIU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-10-11-11-13-56)

No word yet on any rings that show elvish upon heating

[nickel]

and gollums, too? :gle:

[Airencracken]

Link (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HOBBIT_JAW?SITE=CADIU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-10-11-11-13-56)

No word yet on any rings that show elvish upon heating

:P It's actually the language of Mordor. -5 nerd points


and gollums, too? :eek:

Gollum was a hobbit. :rolleyes: -20 nerd points. :P

[ShawnLee]

-5 nerd points
-20 nerd points. :PSo this translates to what? 25 cool points?

[Airencracken]

:lmfao:

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darkness bind them.'"

[Grimm]

Gollum was a hobbit. :rolleyes: -20 nerd points. :P
Gollum was not a hobbit. He was from an older, related race. -50 nerd points.

[Airencracken]

http://tolkien.cro.net/hobbits/gollum.html

Was Gollum a hobbit?

From: The Tolkien FAQ by William D.B. Loos

Yes, beyond all doubt. Gandalf's opinion alone: "I guess they were of hobbit-kind; akin to the fathers of the fathers of the Stoors" (The Fellowship of the Ring, 62) should be sufficient to settle this, but it is confirmed in several other places.

The Tale of Years (The Return of the King, Appendix B) has the following entry for the year TA 2463: "About this time Deagol the Stoor finds the One Ring, and is murdered by Smeagol." (The Return of the King, p. 368).

Since it was explained in the Prologue that Stoors were one of the three branches of hobbits (The Fellowship of the Ring, 12), it is clear that the compiler of this entry, evidently either Merry and/or Pippin's heirs (The Fellowship of the Ring, 24-25), accepted this conclusion.

In "The Hunt for the Ring" (Unfinished Tales, Three, IV) it is told that Sauron concluded from his interrogation of Gollum that Bilbo must have been the same sort of creature (Unfinished Tales, 342) (indeed, Gandalf concluded the same thing from his talks with Bilbo (The Fellowship of the Ring, 63)). The following passing reference shows that the author of "The Hunt for the Ring" accepts Gollum's hobbit origin: "Ultimately indomitable [Gollum] was, except by death, as Sauron guessed, both from his halfling nature, and from a cause which Sauron did not fully comprehend ..." (Unfinished Tales, 337).

Perhaps Gandalf's archaic diction contributed to the uncertainty. When a reader suggested that perhaps 'Smeagol's people were not "of hobbit-kind" as suggested by Gandalf', Tolkien dismissed the suggestion. He added:

With regard to Gandalf certainly says at first 'I guess' (The Fellowship of the Ring, 62); but that is in accordance with his character and wisdom. In more modern language he would have said 'I deduce', referring to matters that had not come under his direct observation, but on which he had formed a conclusion based on study. ...But he did not in fact doubt his conclusion: 'It is true all the same, etc.' (The Fellowship of the Ring, 63).
[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, 289-290 (#214)]

References:

* The Fellowship of the Ring, 12, (Prologue), 24-25 (Prologue, "Note on the Shire Records"), 62-63 (I,2)
* The Return of the King, Appendix B
* Unfinished Tales, 337 (Three, IV, i), 342 (Three, IV, ii)
* The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, 289-290 (#214)


Contributors:

* William D.B. Loos
* Craig Presson
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+100 nerd points :P

[Nija]

:P It's actually the language of Mordor. -5 nerd points



Gollum was a hobbit. :rolleyes: -20 nerd points. :P

You quoted esme bu I see no esme post...:hrmm:

[ArkiStan]

Everyone who has contributed to this discussion so far : +100 geek points (Ok, me too)

[Jeffbx]

Everyone who read the thread to the end without saying to themselves, "This is stupid" and clicking the back button: +50 nerd points

[nickel]

http://tolkien.cro.net/hobbits/gollum.html

Was Gollum a hobbit?

From: The Tolkien FAQ by William D.B. Loos

Yes, beyond all doubt. Gandalf's opinion alone: "I guess they were of hobbit-kind; akin to the fathers of the fathers of the Stoors" (The Fellowship of the Ring, 62) should be sufficient to settle this, but it is confirmed in several other places.

The Tale of Years (The Return of the King, Appendix B) has the following entry for the year TA 2463: "About this time Deagol the Stoor finds the One Ring, and is murdered by Smeagol." (The Return of the King, p. 368).

Since it was explained in the Prologue that Stoors were one of the three branches of hobbits (The Fellowship of the Ring, 12), it is clear that the compiler of this entry, evidently either Merry and/or Pippin's heirs (The Fellowship of the Ring, 24-25), accepted this conclusion.

In "The Hunt for the Ring" (Unfinished Tales, Three, IV) it is told that Sauron concluded from his interrogation of Gollum that Bilbo must have been the same sort of creature (Unfinished Tales, 342) (indeed, Gandalf concluded the same thing from his talks with Bilbo (The Fellowship of the Ring, 63)). The following passing reference shows that the author of "The Hunt for the Ring" accepts Gollum's hobbit origin: "Ultimately indomitable [Gollum] was, except by death, as Sauron guessed, both from his halfling nature, and from a cause which Sauron did not fully comprehend ..." (Unfinished Tales, 337).

Perhaps Gandalf's archaic diction contributed to the uncertainty. When a reader suggested that perhaps 'Smeagol's people were not "of hobbit-kind" as suggested by Gandalf', Tolkien dismissed the suggestion. He added:

With regard to Gandalf certainly says at first 'I guess' (The Fellowship of the Ring, 62); but that is in accordance with his character and wisdom. In more modern language he would have said 'I deduce', referring to matters that had not come under his direct observation, but on which he had formed a conclusion based on study. ...But he did not in fact doubt his conclusion: 'It is true all the same, etc.' (The Fellowship of the Ring, 63).
[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, 289-290 (#214)]

References:

* The Fellowship of the Ring, 12, (Prologue), 24-25 (Prologue, "Note on the Shire Records"), 62-63 (I,2)
* The Return of the King, Appendix B
* Unfinished Tales, 337 (Three, IV, i), 342 (Three, IV, ii)
* The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, 289-290 (#214)


Contributors:

* William D.B. Loos
* Craig Presson
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+100 nerd points :P
being "hobbit-kind" does not make you a hobbit http://porchtalk.com/forums/images/smiles/taunt.gif

[cadetevon]

Everyone who read the thread to the end without saying to themselves, "This is stupid" and clicking the back button: +50 nerd points
:lmfao:

This is me. :wavey2:

[Thesifer]

Oh.. This was a stupid thread??

[tupacboy]

i want my 2 min back from reading this thread...:)

[cheapchinese]

me too, this has got to be THE worst thread ever :P

[mcs328]

Steers back to topic...

So they found my stash of dead midgets....curses.

[esme]

You quoted esme bu I see no esme post...:hrmm:

:stupid:

i was just going to comment on that ........

i don't remember posting anything here .......... :spock: i don't even know what a gollum is ..... :|

[ShawnLee]

The nerdses. Fat, stupid, nerdses. We hates 'em. But master's good to us! We'll get the nerdses.

[nickel]

:stupid:

i was just going to comment on that ........

i don't remember posting anything here .......... :spock: i don't even know what a gollum is ..... :|
something smells rotten in Denmark :hmm:

must be he was thinking of you real hard my precious :P

[Grimm]

Steers back to topic...

So they found my stash of dead midgets....curses.
:bonk: Man, how many times do I gotta tell you. Destroy the bodies, don't stash them!