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Markel
10-12-2005, 02:42 PM
Link (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051012/D8D6MUD80.html)
Arkansas Mother Gives Birth to 16th Child
Oct 12, 4:16 PM (ET)
By MELISSA NELSON
(AP) In this photo released by the Discovery Health Channel shows the Duggar children and their father...
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) - Michelle Duggar just delivered her 16th child, and she's already thinking about doing it again.
Johannah Faith Duggar was born at 6:30 a.m. Tuesday and weighed 7 pounds, 6.5 ounces.
The baby's father, Jim Bob Duggar, a former state representative, said Wednesday that mother and child were doing well.
He said Johannah's birth was especially exciting because it was the first time in eight years the family has had a girl.
Jim Bob Duggar, 40, said he and Michelle, 39, want more children.
"We both just love children and we consider each a blessing from the Lord. I have asked Michelle if she wants more and she said yes, if the Lord wants to give us some she will accept them," he said.
The Discovery Health Channel filmed Johannah's birth and plans to air a show about the family of 18 next May.
The Learning Channel is doing another show about the family's construction project, a 7,000-square foot house that should be finished before Christmas. The home, which the family has been building for two years, will have nine bathrooms, dormitory-style bedrooms for the girls and boys, a commercial kitchen, four washing machines and four dryers.
Jim Bob Duggar, who sells real estate, previously lost his bid for the U.S. Senate. He said he expects to run for the state Senate next year but isn't ready to make a formal announcement.
Michelle Duggar had her first child at age 21, four years after the couple married.
Their children include two sets of twins, and each child has a name beginning with the letter "J": Joshua, 17; John David, 15; Janna, 15; Jill, 14; Jessa, 12; Jinger, 11; Joseph, 10; Josiah, 9; Joy-Anna, 8; Jeremiah, 6; Jedidiah, 6; Jason, 5; James, 4; Justin, 2; and Jackson Levi, 1.
Sounds like another great bunch of future conservatives! :thumb:
Airencracken
10-12-2005, 03:17 PM
This is just plain unnecessary. :disa:
Grimm
10-12-2005, 03:17 PM
:eek3: If you want that many kids, adopt.
It's not socialy responsible to have that many kids, if everyone did it the entire world would be so over populated in a decade or two that the world could not support us.
that's just 15 tooo many for me ......i'm good w/just 1 kid ......
InfiniteNothing
10-12-2005, 03:25 PM
Is it really unusual to have 16 kids. Didn't the Bin Ladens have like 70 ish.
Huh. It must be their plan to take out the world that way.
cheapchinese
10-12-2005, 03:31 PM
16 ?!?!?!
how much welfare can she technically collect?
RoniMan
10-12-2005, 03:35 PM
the problem with scotland is that it's full of scots!
if we can't get them out, we'll breed them out
*disclaimer* for some reason, this quote popped into my head. i just thought it's fitting in this situation. that's all.
InfiniteNothing
10-12-2005, 03:39 PM
16 ?!?!?!
how much welfare can she technically collect?Heh... that's a pretty decent tax credit
tupacboy
10-12-2005, 03:48 PM
16!!! wow...
cheapie
10-12-2005, 03:50 PM
that's just 15 tooo many for me ......i'm good w/just 1 kid ......
naw...you need 2. that way they can play together and realize that they aren't the center of the universe.
note: the above statement does not mean you are a bad person if you are an only child or a parent w/just one kid. jmho fwiw
16 ?!?!?!
how much welfare can she technically collect?
since they just built a 7000 sq ft house i'm guessing they're not collecting any.
i was just with a vp of a major trucking company and he has ten. he's mormon and i think a lot of them has oodles of kids. but this guy is a millionaire and he can easily afford to feed/educate them. :shrug:
Jihforce
10-12-2005, 03:51 PM
:eek3: If you want that many kids, adopt.
It's not socialy responsible to have that many kids, if everyone did it the entire world would be so over populated in a decade or two that the world could not support us.
If he can afford it, why not. As long as they stay out of the welfare system, its fine with me.
InfiniteNothing
10-12-2005, 04:17 PM
If he can afford it, why not. As long as they stay out of the welfare system, its fine with me.
Well, fixed resources. Person B having lots of kids takes away crude oil and corn from the rest of our kids.
Also, money doesn't justify it. That's like arguing just because someone can afford to hire a hitman, they should be entitled to it.
naw...you need 2. that way they can play together and realize that they aren't the center of the universe.
Deserves a quick :stupid:
MikeD
10-12-2005, 04:26 PM
:eek3: If you want that many kids, adopt.
It's not socialy responsible to have that many kids, if everyone did it the entire world would be so over populated in a decade or two that the world could not support us.
Oh, the irony...
Umm, it's their right. I'd say they should be able to have as many as they want (provided they stay off welfare).
:)
InfiniteNothing
10-12-2005, 04:29 PM
Most would argue that ones rights end where another's begins.
Even if it was a right, it's a right that's impossible to defend forever.
Airencracken
10-12-2005, 04:34 PM
:stupid:
We do live in a world of limited resources.
captainhook
10-12-2005, 04:51 PM
I can't even imagine how I can take care of one child.
MrGreg
10-12-2005, 05:10 PM
:stupid: yeah, I can barely keep myself feed and bathed
naw...you need 2. that way they can play together and realize that they aren't the center of the universe.
Deserves a quick :stupid:
OK ......you talked me into it! ......I'll have 2 kids :heh:
InfiniteNothing
10-12-2005, 05:28 PM
How you doin' :fro::hihi: [/joey]
Jihforce
10-12-2005, 05:37 PM
Well, fixed resources. Person B having lots of kids takes away crude oil and corn from the rest of our kids.
Also, money doesn't justify it. That's like arguing just because someone can afford to hire a hitman, they should be entitled to it.
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So? having you alive takes resources away from the rest of us as well. I don't see anyone trying to end you live.
Your analogy cracks me up tho. :heh: how's hiring a hitman the same as having babies? Last time, i checked, having kids wasn't illegal.
Mommypooh
10-12-2005, 05:37 PM
I would love to have that many children os course only if I had enough money to build a 7, 000 sq ft house. I think the tax breaks stop at 5 kids, after that you are on your own.
Airencracken
10-12-2005, 05:40 PM
Illegal? No. Excessive? Yes.
InfiniteNothing
10-12-2005, 06:10 PM
So? having you alive takes resources away from the rest of us as well. I don't see anyone trying to end you live.
I'm not proposing killing anyone :heh:
Your analogy cracks me up tho. :heh: how's hiring a hitman the same as having babies? Last time, i checked, having kids wasn't illegal.
I was invalidating that money makes it okay. No one's debating whether it's legal or not.
I would love to have that many children os course only if I had enough money to build a 7, 000 sq ft house. I think the tax breaks stop at 5 kids, after that you are on your own.
You have a source on that?
Markel
10-12-2005, 06:25 PM
It's not socialy responsible to have that many kids, if everyone did it the entire world would be so over populated in a decade or two that the world could not support us.
Hey, what happened to the libertarian? ;)
ialsohaveadream
10-12-2005, 07:42 PM
OK ......you talked me into it! ......I'll have 2 kids :heh:
Judging from the response you got in the pics thread, I'm sure you'll get offers from G|A members to help you with that. :)
oblongmelon
10-12-2005, 08:13 PM
16 ?!?!?!
how much welfare can she technically collect?
MEET THE DUGGARS!
http://www.duggarfamily.com/
They aren't on Welfare..lol..
I saw a show about this family and you'd be amazed at how well run that family actually is. The kids are polite-and all play instruments, and help out with chores and building the new house,they do laundry, bible study,(homeschooled)and all go out for dinner to celebrate special occasions (another baby!).. the mom is a penny pincher-and shops at the Aldi Store to save money-they have a pantry that is set up like a supermarket shelf unit (it's amazing what's in their pantry)..I think their food bill for one month was something like 800 dollars. The kids are clean, dressed well, and very modest, and they truly are the American family. I'm jealous to say the least..I think it's great they had another baby! oh, And the father does have a job.
nickel
10-12-2005, 09:45 PM
there is a family around here with 15 kids...it's amazing.
no welfare there either.
Link (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051012/D8D6MUD80.html)
Sounds like another great bunch of future conservatives! :thumb:
Hmm, kids from 1 married couple, none on welfare. Kids help out, mother watches spending, father provides for family. I'd have to agree with you there.
Grimm
10-13-2005, 10:51 AM
Hey, what happened to the libertarian? ;)
Hey, I wasn't advocating making it illegal, just saying that it is social irresponsible. Being Liberitarian doesn't mean that I believe everything is ok, just that things shouldn't be legislated. While it is legal to do something doesn't mean that you should do it.
People should be socialy responsible. They should choose to do the right thing, not be forced to do it. Having 16 kids isn't responsible unless you can point out some legitimate reason why your progeny are a significant benifit to society.
For example, if their kids are significantly more intellegent than the average, or some other benificial mutation.
6.5 billion is the world population. If 40 years from now the population is 52 billion because each couple had 16 children, 41 years from now the would population would be 0.
Markel
10-13-2005, 10:53 AM
Having 16 kids isn't responsible unless you can point out some legitimate reason why your progeny are a significant benifit to society.
And from what I've read of that family, that is definitely the case (IMHO, of course).
Judging from the response you got in the pics thread, I'm sure you'll get offers from G|A members to help you with that. :)
well .....keep in mind .....i make cute babies! :heh:
just jokes .....just jokes :P
InfiniteNothing
10-13-2005, 12:47 PM
And from what I've read of that family, that is definitely the case (IMHO, of course).
What's the definite benifit to society you're thinking of?
WhiskeyPapa
10-13-2005, 01:20 PM
:eek3: If you want that many kids, adopt.
It's not socialy responsible to have that many kids, if everyone did it the entire world would be so over populated in a decade or two that the world could not support us.That's a pretty stupid (yet popular) argument. Just think about it for a second. "If everyone did it..."
According to that logic, people who choose to have no children are a bigger threat to our world than anyone. After all, if everyone stopped having children, the human race would be extinct in 100 years!
Face it, Grimm, if everyone lived like you, we'd be screwed. If everyone lived like me, we'd be screwed. Fortunately, everyone lives differently and because of that, we'll be fine.
That's a pretty stupid (yet popular) argument. Just think about it for a second. "If everyone did it..."
According to that logic, people who choose to have no children are a bigger threat to our world than anyone. After all, if everyone stopped having children, the human race would be extinct in 100 years!
Face it, Grimm, if everyone lived like you, we'd be screwed. If everyone lived like me, we'd be screwed. Fortunately, everyone lives differently and because of that, we'll be fine.
:agree: .....good point
Airencracken
10-13-2005, 01:28 PM
to sustain word pop. no more than 2 maybe 3 children per couple are need. :rolleyes:
nickel
10-13-2005, 01:47 PM
That's a pretty stupid (yet popular) argument. Just think about it for a second. "If everyone did it..."
According to that logic, people who choose to have no children are a bigger threat to our world than anyone. After all, if everyone stopped having children, the human race would be extinct in 100 years!
Face it, Grimm, if everyone lived like you, we'd be screwed. If everyone lived like me, we'd be screwed. Fortunately, everyone lives differently and because of that, we'll be fine.
you are a wise man.
InfiniteNothing
10-13-2005, 02:11 PM
That's a pretty stupid (yet popular) argument. Just think about it for a second. "If everyone did it..."
According to that logic, people who choose to have no children are a bigger threat to our world than anyone. After all, if everyone stopped having children, the human race would be extinct in 100 years!
That really all that bad? Sure beats being wiped out by famine.
Grimm
10-13-2005, 02:41 PM
That's a pretty stupid (yet popular) argument. Just think about it for a second. "If everyone did it..."
According to that logic, people who choose to have no children are a bigger threat to our world than anyone. After all, if everyone stopped having children, the human race would be extinct in 100 years!
Face it, Grimm, if everyone lived like you, we'd be screwed. If everyone lived like me, we'd be screwed. Fortunately, everyone lives differently and because of that, we'll be fine.
I'll agree with you that extremes are bad. But the world population keeps going up because so many people have more kids than they should. If and when I have kids I will only have 2 or 3. There are already enough people who compensate for thoee who do not have kids by having 4 or 5. We really don't need families with 10 to 16+ kids. Thre are already more people in the world than we need.
Admittedly I would much rather have someone who can afford to have 16+ kids have them than have someone who can't afford to have 2 kids have 4. But way too many people think it is their right and responsability to create as many offspring as they can without considering the long range consequences.
johnnymk
10-13-2005, 03:02 PM
But way too many people think it is their right and responsability to create as many offspring as they can without considering the long range consequences.
That's not true in industrialized countries. where the birth rate is dropping. There was a book about this: "The Birth Dearth" several years ago which stated that if trends continue in America there will be very few white people remaining by the year 2050. I think that was the projected year. Combine that with the number of abortions annually and the future looks even more bleak.
InfiniteNothing
10-13-2005, 03:17 PM
What's wrong with an America with few white people? Is that really a catastrophe? I don't think that's either good or bad. Last I checked the US population is still rising at a net of 1 person every 10 seconds and most of that is from reproduction.
ialsohaveadream
10-13-2005, 03:55 PM
There was a book about this: "The Birth Dearth" several years ago which stated that if trends continue in America there will be very few white people remaining by the year 2050.
You hear that, white girls? Let's get cracking! Send me those PMs, and we'll get started on the breeding. :)
(hey johnny, do me a favor and post this same info three more times, but change "white" to "black", then 'hispanic", then "asian"). :thumbup:
MikeD
10-13-2005, 04:09 PM
(hey johnny, do me a favor and post this same info three more times, but change "white" to "black", then 'hispanic", then "asian"). :thumbup:
In that order? :naughty:
ialsohaveadream
10-13-2005, 04:12 PM
In that order? :gle:
I'm not too particular on the order. Though I'd like to nominate Shakira to be the first one to help me in this breeding project. :)
InfiniteNothing
10-13-2005, 04:24 PM
You realize that this will backfire right.
I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with "filed report"
LPMiller
10-13-2005, 05:23 PM
mild retort?
MikeD
10-13-2005, 05:26 PM
wild cavort?
Markel
10-13-2005, 08:45 PM
What's the definite benifit to society you're thinking of?
Probably nothing that you'd find all that beneficial.
But since you asked - children raised in a well-guided, Christian home, with parents that have high moral values. If the children follow in their parents' steps, I consider that it will be a positive benefit to the society.
[edit]psst - it's called stacking the deck in our favor.;)
InfiniteNothing
10-13-2005, 08:47 PM
Do no harm and you're a benefit?
Voter base breeding programs?;)
Markel
10-13-2005, 08:48 PM
Do no harm and you're a benefit?
Live a true Christian life, and you're a benefit.
InfiniteNothing
10-13-2005, 08:51 PM
Live a true Christian life, and you're a benefit.
God keeping track of our Christian ratio?
Markel
10-13-2005, 08:52 PM
God keeping track of our Christian ratio?
The higher the better. :D
InfiniteNothing
10-13-2005, 08:56 PM
The higher the better. :D
Heh :) Good to know.
Markel
10-13-2005, 08:58 PM
Heh :) Good to know.
You're welcome to join in any time. ;)
zenbooty
10-13-2005, 09:56 PM
Live a true Christian life, and you're a benefit.So if I raise intelligent children who contribute to humanity and hurt no one, but teach them that we, the animals, the plants, the planets, and the stars are all interconnected into one shared spiritual consciousness, that there is no heaven or hell after death, merely the passing into some other state of being in the universe, and that their actions while living by affecting our shared state of being in turn hurt help or hurt themselves as a result, then will that make them any less of a benefit than those who live the "True Christian Life", however you may define that?
WhiskeyPapa
10-14-2005, 06:33 AM
Yeah, Markel, open your mouth wider and let Zen put some more words in... :rolleyes:
mechmike0034
10-14-2005, 06:59 AM
This story reminded me of the Groucho Marx radio quip from his You Bet Your Life game show: (From http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/groucho.htm)
There was, it seems, a sign painter named Mr. Story who lived in Bakersfield, California. He and his wife had what was reputed to be the largest family in America. Originally there were twenty-two children, but three had died. During the first season of "You Bet Your Life," when it was broadcast on radio only, the Story family was bused in from Bakersfield to be contestants on the show. After a bit of small talk, the conversation went like this:
Groucho: "How many children do you have?"
Mrs. Story: "Nineteen, Groucho."
Groucho: "Nineteen?! Why do you have so many children? It must be a terrible responsibility and a burden."
Mrs. Story: "Well, because I love my children — and I think that's our purpose here on Earth — and I love my husband."
Groucho: "I love my cigar, too, but I take it out of my mouth once in a while!"
zenbooty
10-14-2005, 08:04 AM
Yeah, Markel, open your mouth wider and let Zen put some more words in... :rolleyes:It was a simple question. I am not implying anything nor trying to speak for markel. I want a clarification of his beliefs. Is that so much to ask?
Markel
10-14-2005, 01:13 PM
So if I raise intelligent children who contribute to humanity and hurt no one, but teach them that we, the animals, the plants, the planets, and the stars are all interconnected into one shared spiritual consciousness, that there is no heaven or hell after death, merely the passing into some other state of being in the universe, and that their actions while living by affecting our shared state of being in turn hurt help or hurt themselves as a result, then will that make them any less of a benefit than those who live the "True Christian Life", however you may define that?
Matt. 5:14-16
Matt. 16:26
zenbooty
10-14-2005, 01:17 PM
Matt. 5:14-16
Matt. 16:26I hate to be a pain, but care to paraphrase? I don't have a bible handy.
Markel
10-14-2005, 01:20 PM
I hate to be a pain, but care to paraphrase? I don't have a bible handy.
I guess you need to yield your computer license.
Try this. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bible&btnG=Google+Search)
zenbooty
10-15-2005, 08:58 PM
Matt. 5:14-16Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Matt. 16:26For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?"
You avoid my question. I'm fully aware of your differences of opinion and your reasons. What I want to know is how do you judge the merit and value of your fellow man who do not follow your beliefs?
This story reminded me of the Groucho Marx radio quip from his You Bet Your Life game show: (From http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/groucho.htm)
:heh:
Markel
10-15-2005, 09:24 PM
[i]You avoid my question. I'm fully aware of your differences of opinion and your reasons. What I want to know is how do you judge the merit and value of your fellow man who do not follow your beliefs?
I applaud those who do good. However, in view of eternity, the best works of men mean nothing.
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