Are you sure you're going to end up in Heaven??... [Archive] - HP Deals, Computer Coupons And Bargains

oblongmelon

10-13-2005, 11:46 PM

Depending on your faith that answer will vary. According to the Bible not one is clean and that is the reason God sent His Son.

Well naturally.
And let's say for this thread only we say there "IS" a God although I know some people will disagree...
without disregarding the interpretation by Apex as far as how right and wrong are determined, do you consider yourself worthy of entering the Kingdom of Heaven the way you are presently living? And in all honesty, how much do you Pray..I know when someone posts of illness and death etc on the SS forum, everyone says..I'll pray for you, or you're in my prayers..do you really take the time to actually say a quick prayer (or a long one) as you say you will?
If you evaluate yourself right now-what would you change that would increase your ability to become more apt to end up in Heaven?
Personally-for me, I seriously need to unload some lifetime grudges against my one sister..and that my friends is a huge struggle. I think once I get past that-i'll be ok..otherwise, I think I"m on the right track. I read a passage from the Bible every night, say prayers throughout the day, and meditate quite a bit on what I've read. Plus I still do alot of other personal things that I feel is necessary for me to give back what I"m getting from my religion..(community service etc)
I can do that now since I"m not working, even though I can't do much around here..All I know is..I'm not a fan of extreme temperatures. Hotflashes suck badly now so I could never live for all eternity sweating my butt off..
How about you?

Cheesypuff

10-14-2005, 12:13 AM

heaven is no joking matter, hell is no joking matter either. to determine how or what is the criteria for going to either is not determined by us. it is determined by the book of life in which God writes our names in. The cool thing about choices is that God doesn't know what we're gonna choose next. if we choose to believe that God will save us, and we are sincere in what we believe to be true (I use truth in a VERY light sense), I personally think God will take that into consideration on our entry into Heaven.

your friend says the Lord looks down on lying, thieving, adulterer etc etc. I'm sure he does. I'm sure God looks down on that sort of thing. not to shove in a red herring in my argument, but my example of Moses should be noted. He down right disobeyed God, he struck the rock when God gave him specific instructions to speak to it. Moses died...but where is he now? The Bible tells me Heaven. I look up to Moses very much, and admire his strength to lead a pleathora of people. BUT the fact is...he was human. He made mistakes. by golly...we make mistakes also, and he's in heaven. yes...I may look at another girl, and my thoughts might go tangent...but that doesn't mean I act upon or even have a written out agenda to say hey Lord, I'm gonna down right disobey you today becuase I hate you. my prayer to God is, give me strength to overcome the temptations of the day, and help me realize the things that are good for me.

The person on the cross right beside Jesus. Jesus made a promise to that man that he will be with Him in paradise. To be killed on a cross a person would have to have done something REALLY bad...but Jesus looked into his heart and saw something nobody else could see, but Him could.

my point is...make the choices that are in harmony with what God asks of you. God will see your strength...even though you see Mel walking down the street.

BigJon

10-14-2005, 04:21 AM

The bible says we are all sinners. No one is sin-free. You should ask your friend if they are going to heaven. If they say yes, ask them the same questions they asked you. I bet you they will lie.

cheapchinese

10-14-2005, 04:41 AM

just ask for forgiveness everyday... you come out a clean slate every morning...
entrance to heaven

nickel

10-14-2005, 04:44 AM

i believe you confess your sins and they are gone. *poof*
your life time of sins aren't tallied up so that when you reach the pearly gates there is a list of the bad things you did and a list of the good and whichever one is bigger holds your fate.
God forgives you when you ask, and your sins are forgiven and forgotten.
carry on and do better.

and yes, i believe i am going to heaven.

oblongmelon

10-14-2005, 05:17 AM

and yes, i believe i am going to heaven.
I'll see you there ;)

Kim

10-14-2005, 06:08 AM

I hope I end up in Heaven, but my boss thinks the coffee I drink will keep me out. I try to tell her that me drinking the coffee is actually a service to mankind, as I am a lot nicer with some coffee in me.

johnnymk

10-14-2005, 06:13 AM

Yes, I believe that I will go to Heaven. But it will not be because I was "good", did "good works", obeyed the ten commandments, performed rituals, attended church regularly, received sacraments or performed any work of my own.

It is solely by the grace of God and what he did on the cross that saved me from the consequences of my sins that allows me to have eternal life.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

The Bible states that "All have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God". It also states that" men's righteousness are as filthy rags to God". In other words, there is nothing we can do to please a perfect God...except to believe that Jesus died in our place paying the penalty for those who believe on him.

The moment you put your trust in His provision for eternal life, you are born again. Old things pass away. All things become new. You are made a child of God. You are forgiven for the sins of your past, present and future. You are a new creature, but you are still living in a body which desires to sin. But even with that tendency which God knows about, his child still is guaranteed a place in Heaven.

There will be two judgements after we die: The judgement of believers for rewards done in obedience to what was prompted by the Holy Spirit. It will not be a judgement of whether we spend eternity in Heaven or Hell, but rather rewards.

The other judgement will be for unbelievers: They will be judged according to the truth which was presented to them and how they lived according to what they knew. Since no one lives up to even their own standard and since they continually rejected what the Holy Spirit revealed to them of their rejection of the truth (Jesus Christ), they will not enter Heaven but will be cast into the lake of fire.

MikeD

10-14-2005, 06:23 AM

I'll see you there ;)

I know alot of folks in hell...so might be a tough choice. :)

WhiskeyPapa

10-14-2005, 06:30 AM

I never read it in a book
I never saw it on a show
but I heard it in the alley
on a weird radio...

Sorry, whenever anyone asks this question, that song starts playing in my head.

Yes, I know I am going to heaven. That's one of the few things in this life of which I am absolutely sure. No amount of "living right", no amount of praying, no amount of reading your bible will get you into heaven. Even asking forgiveness won't get you into heaven (what if you sinned right before you died and didn't have time to ask forgiveness? Would you go to hell because of "bad timing"?)

Only by believing and accepting the free gift of salvation through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ can we go to heaven. You don't even need to set foot in a "Christian" church (although you may want to, since it's the logical place to learn more about Jesus...) This gift is available to all. Even Muslims, Buddhists, homosexuals, and Democrats! ;) Even murderers - like "Son of Sam" killer David Berkowitz (http://www.forgivenforlife.com). No, this is not some prison conversion where he's just using the name of Christianity to secure parole. In fact, he has explicitly stated that he neither desires, nor would accept parole.

There you go: Heaven is free. You can't earn it, but you do need to make the conscious decision to accept the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.

Merlin

10-14-2005, 07:17 AM

i believe you confess your sins and they are gone. *poof*
Sort of. You confess your sins but you must do so with true contrition. If you confess without a sense of remorse then the sin remains. God knows if you are sincere or not.

As for me, my God is a loving God and not a punishing/vengeful God. If you are sincere in your love for Him, He'll find a place in heaven for you flaws/sins and all.

And Obby, tell this idiot that nobody is perfect. We all sin. So does that mean nobody is getting into Heaven? Of course not. Sins can be forgiven.

ialsohaveadream

10-14-2005, 07:32 AM

Well, assuming you're Christian, your aim is to try to keep from sinning as much as possible, but perfection isn't expected. Depending on your beliefs (and I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess you're Catholic :P), as long as you accept Jesus before you die, you're heaven-bound.

I know alot of folks in hell...so might be a tough choice. :)
:stupid: My best friend and I have done some pretty evil stuff. I'll have to figure out where the better crowd will be. ;)

oblongmelon

10-14-2005, 07:44 AM

ialsohaveadream

10-14-2005, 07:50 AM

well we all certainly agree that accepting Jesus in our lives is the true way, but do tell..have you ever given the "I'll pray for you" comment in the forums and then really haven't done it..be honest now..I can honestly say that NO, I've never done that.
No, but I usually refrain from telling people that I'll pray for them. I'm a pretty forgetful guy, so unless I'm gonna plug "pray for so-and-so" into my Outlook calendar, I wouldn't make that promise. :)

WhiskeyPapa

10-14-2005, 07:56 AM

have you ever given the "I'll pray for you" commentThat's precisely why I seldom tell people "I'll pray for you". I either pray right then and there, or I don't say anything.

And Obby, tell this idiot that nobody is perfect.I don't think they were an idiot. It's a common evangelical technique (it was even used in the movie "Left Behind") and is just supposed to get the person thinking about eternity, which it apparently has! Before we can accept the free gift of salvation, we need to realize that we are helpless to earn it on our own. That's what the line of questioning was supposed to show.

attgig

10-14-2005, 08:21 AM

re: apex's comment.
oh stinkin post modern culture and the rise of relativism. if it's all relative... then, what's it relative to? the man who murders or the man who lives a 'moral' life?
anyways.
for by grace i'm saved. through grace so no one can boast, no one can boast ephesians 2:8-9. i'm saved till the end of time. i'm saved by grace. i'm saved.
(left out the doot doots to the ol' sunday school song, but it gets the point accross).
not by what we do, lest i boast. but it's God's gift (and all the implications behind the word gift).
now living/striving to pray more, & do what i know God's called me to do... whole new can of worms.

(ag! lost all my enters & new paragraphs!)

(wow, this really doesn't like firefox. cool in-post editing feature in IE though.)

InfiniteNothing

10-14-2005, 08:25 AM

ialsohaveadream

10-14-2005, 08:29 AM

InfiniteNothing

10-14-2005, 08:31 AM

You could ask the same of someone who doesn't believe. "Are you sure heaven doesn't exist?" That belief takes just as much faith as believing in a heaven. To each their own.

I think an agnostic would say "no" (they aren't sure). And that that uncertainty is somewhat beautiful. But your point is valid. The question goes for people who are sure either way.

I think an athiest might say that no they aren't sure but that it stands to reason that we go with the least parsimonious answer.

WhiskeyPapa

10-14-2005, 08:45 AM

For those who said yes,
Whan if you
A. Picked the wrong religion. What if the right religion was only followed in some remote part of the world.
B. Your religious text was corrupted by men over the years and you really got the wrong info.
C. You got the wrong edition of your religious text and got the wrong info.

Are you sure A. B. and C. are impossible.First, you're breaking the ground rules Obby set... :P

It's not about religion. It's about one man, Jesus Christ. Yes, Christianity is a religion designed around Him, but we've done plenty to screw it up. Religion is just man's attempt to organize faith. But for the sake of argument, I'll assume by saying "religion" you meant "faith" or "belief".

A. Only one faith has an historical figure who's life, death, and resurrection was predicted centuries before His birth. Just the fact he was resurrected proves what He said was correct.

B. But what if the Bible is wrong? Then my answer to A means nothing. Well, no other book in the history of the world has been scrutinized as much as the Bible. Centuries of archaeological study has shown that the text of the books that make up the Bible has changed little in more than 2,000 years. No other book can make that claim.

C. Yes, there are multiple translations of the Bible. While there are small differences between translations, the basic message remains the same.

johnnymk

10-14-2005, 09:03 AM

The Bible states: "You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart."

In addition: God is not willing that anyone should perish.

So if a person has decided that their religion or their belief concerning life is full of emptiness and/or confusion, it becomes God's responsibility to send someone to reveal the truth concerning who Jesus is and how to find him.

InfiniteNothing

10-14-2005, 09:06 AM

First, you're breaking the ground rules Obby set... :P

It's not about religion. It's about one man, Jesus Christ. Yes, Christianity is a religion designed around Him, but we've done plenty to screw it up. Religion is just man's attempt to organize faith. But for the sake of argument, I'll assume by saying "religion" you meant "faith" or "belief".

A. Only one faith has an historical figure who's life, death, and resurrection was predicted centuries before His birth. Just the fact he was resurrected proves what He said was correct.

B. But what if the Bible is wrong? Then my answer to A means nothing. Well, no other book in the history of the world has been scrutinized as much as the Bible. Centuries of archaeological study has shown that the text of the books that make up the Bible has changed little in more than 2,000 years. No other book can make that claim.

C. Yes, there are multiple translations of the Bible. While there are small differences between translations, the basic message remains the same.

I'm going about this wrong. I was taking a typical Islamic attack of the Christianity, which, while just as defensible, isn't what I really want to know.

Is there any uncertainty in faith? Believing something despite a lack of evidence is one thing but to me it seems that to be unsure is human. That is, it may be human to believe in something that doesn't have any evidence for it but I don't believe that it is human to be sure of it? Is that true.

Grimm

10-14-2005, 09:08 AM

I am not absolutely sure I will end up in heaven. But I am pretty sure. I just have to accept Him and have faith in Him. I have done both of those things.

I am evil, I am a terrible sinner in His eyes. But so long as I keep trying, asking his forgiveness and trying to do better, then I know I will be saved.

Salvation is a gift. It can not be earned, bought, or traded. There is no ultimate sacrifice that will get you in on a waiver, like in the movies. The only way to get in to heaven is to accept Him and his gift.

johnnymk

10-14-2005, 09:43 AM

Salvation is a gift from God. It is not necessary to work for a gift. If you had to work for it, it wouldn't be called a gift.

Since salvation is a gift and salvation means to be saved from eternal punishment, salvation is something you don't have to work for. It also means that you don't have to work to keep it. And it also means that you won't lose it.

Grace means undeserved merit. In other words, we don't deserve salvation. God decided in his Love before the foundations of the world were formed that he would send his Son to die for the sins of those who believed upon His name. This was his method. This was something no rational human being would ever dream up.

Humanity believes that you have to earn God's favor and work to get into Heaven. Fortunately, God has it totally reversed. As a matter of fact, he will not allow anyone into Heaven who believes they deserve it and who has not accepted his only method of deliverance, his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

Once you become a child of God, you are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. There are tons of verses in the Bible which confirm this fact that God keeps you. You don't have to keep God.

It is pitiful that many believers worry about which offense they will commit or have committed which will cause God to abandon them.

You don't have to worry about keeping your salvation. That is one of the reasons it is called "The Gospel" which means good news.

Grimm

10-14-2005, 09:53 AM

Salvation is a gift from God. It is not necessary to work for a gift. If you had to work for it, it wouldn't be called a gift.
Yes, but it's rude to not show that you are gratefull for a gift, especialy one so huge that nothing man has nor will ever have can compare with it.

nickel

10-14-2005, 11:14 AM

Sort of. You confess your sins but you must do so with true contrition. If you confess without a sense of remorse then the sin remains. God knows if you are sincere or not.

As for me, my God is a loving God and not a punishing/vengeful God. If you are sincere in your love for Him, He'll find a place in heaven for you flaws/sins and all.

And Obby, tell this idiot that nobody is perfect. We all sin. So does that mean nobody is getting into Heaven? Of course not. Sins can be forgiven.
i agree that you must have remorse, and also we Catholics believe you must do some penance to make up for your sins.

tupacboy

10-14-2005, 11:25 AM

Markel

10-14-2005, 01:26 PM

From Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

attgig

10-14-2005, 02:13 PM

I'm going about this wrong. I was taking a typical Islamic attack of the Christianity, which, while just as defensible, isn't what I really want to know.

Is there any uncertainty in faith? Believing something despite a lack of evidence is one thing but to me it seems that to be unsure is human. That is, it may be human to believe in something that doesn't have any evidence for it but I don't believe that it is human to be sure of it? Is that true.

not sure what the typical islamic attack is, but.... moving on from that.

yeah, faith....yeah, you're never sure. Some people can say they're absolutely sure....at times. and I can identify with that. when you're doin your christian walk, and you go through times where God is right there with ya.... there's nothing that could attack your faith (or so it feels).

but, we're plagued by doubt, disillusionment, and just general human-ness...and at times, we're going to be not so sure. And I think these times are essential to building a stronger faith. working through arguments that you've never heard of, different ways the little devil on your shoulder lies to you and makes you think different.

there is always some uncertainty in faith....however, that uncertainty will eventually make us stronger.

InfiniteNothing

10-14-2005, 02:14 PM

Thanks for the honesty.

attgig

10-14-2005, 02:36 PM

anytime.

IN.... outta curiosity, where are you at? are those questions coming from an agnostic's perspective? atheist's perspective? some other religion perspective?

brainsmile

10-14-2005, 03:51 PM

No one is worthy of heaven... regarldless of what you DO you may not get in

Markel

10-14-2005, 04:18 PM

No one is worthy of heaven... regarldless of what you DO you may not get in
Unless you include believing as someing you do.

InfiniteNothing

10-14-2005, 05:18 PM

That's a really neat point. Believing isn't something you do. At least, it's not really a choice.

Kevster

10-14-2005, 06:11 PM

i agree that you must have remorse, and also we Catholics believe you must do some penance to make up for your sins.

:stupid:

I try to be as good a Catholic as I can, do the right thing, but I have a feeling I might be in purgatory for a while...

oblongmelon

10-14-2005, 07:19 PM

:stupid:

I try to be as good a Catholic as I can, do the right thing, but I have a feeling I might be in purgatory for a while... I don't believe in Purgatory..I'm sorry , but I don't think God is going to stick anyone in a holding pattern until the flight to Heaven comes in..if that was the case, Why would Jesus have said to the man who hung on the cross next to him "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise" (Luke 23: 42-43)
Catholic or not, I'm sorry but I just don't believe it. My grandmother had a painting of purgatory in her bedroom and it used to scare the bejeezus out of all of us kids..it was horrific..when we were bad we had to go sit in her room and be punished..and knowing that picture was there was the worst part of the punishment. There were fallen angels, devils, and humans screaming in angst, and ugh..the thought of it..*shudder*...and it wasn't even a picture of hell!...After she died, the picture disappeared and no one knows where it went..Thanks be to God for that one..

Markel

10-14-2005, 07:37 PM

After she died, the picture disappeared and no one knows where it went.
Well, if it didn't go to heaven, and you don't believe in purgatory, that narrows the possibilities. :D

oblongmelon

10-14-2005, 07:54 PM

Well, if it didn't go to heaven, and you don't believe in purgatory, that narrows the possibilities. :D

Thanks I feel a nightmare coming on tonight..

Nanotech9

10-15-2005, 06:20 AM

me and my entire motorcycle club are pretty much on the bus to hell already... we actually have a running joke where we pass around a set of keys for the most wrong / vulgar / perveted thing said at any given time... its the keys to the bus to hell, and whoever has them is driving... That worked great right up untill we had a strip club D/J join out ranks, and up the level of "bad". He now has the official and permanent position of HOOD ORNAMENT on the bus to hell.

Nanotech9

10-15-2005, 06:28 AM

just read the posts on this page...

Markel - good to see you quoting the King James version. Not many people even know what that is anymore... Its been a very long time since i've read any of it, but i can almost quote those verses by memory as i read them....

AttGig's post is basically how i see things also.

I honestly couldnt tell you whats going on in my life... i used to live the "right way" but it was soo easily cast aside for my current life style. I'm much happier now, which leads me to believe my past life style was somewhat fake...

and yet, i still believe in things. I believe in God, and i believe every word in the Bible. I try a little here and there to show a little interest (such as this thread) in it etc... I feel guilty doing some things. Maybe i'm just fed up with the two-faced bulls**t going on in churches... maybe i'm one of those wayward fellows that will get things straightened out eventually... i donno.

Maarchk

10-15-2005, 10:39 AM

hmm. dont think i'm going...

I have become less nice in the past few years. i still do nice things, but i used to go out of my way for anyone with no thought. now i stop and think do i really want to give up my time, effort, heart to this person when i'll probably lose their friendship once i've helped them out.

and i know i probably fail in good things a little more these days. i dont know. i feel like survival on my own almost dictates a lack of niceties. and i dont really like that. when i get out of school i want to move somewhere to a nice town where hopefully i can be nice and well sadly... get a little more nice back. i know thats probably selfish on my part... but its hard feeling like everything nice i do, i dont ever get much kindness even from friends or family.

blah.. with my frame of mind, i know i'm not going to heaven. even if my sins were forgiven by God and those whom i committed them against, i would feel unprepared for what gift i could be given.

will_dou

10-15-2005, 03:04 PM

Markel

10-15-2005, 06:10 PM

The cool thing about choices is that God doesn't know what we're gonna choose next.

Wow wow wow, hold on a moment. I thought God was omni-p.....omni-s....whatever the word is :P And he KNOWS everything, how can he not know what we'll choose!!! I've hear someone say that God doesn't KNOW anything.
I didn't catch Cheesypuff's comment earlier. I think you mean omniscience (all knowing). I don't believe that God pre-determines what we will choose (i.e., He gives man a free will), but I believe that God knows what we will choose. Man's original choice to sin (eating of the forbidden fruit) was no surprise to God.

will_dou

10-15-2005, 06:25 PM

I didn't catch Cheesypuff's comment earlier. I think you mean omniscience (all knowing). I don't believe that God pre-determines what we will choose (i.e., He gives man a free will), but I believe that God knows what we will choose. Man's original choice to sin (eating of the forbidden fruit) was no surprise to God.

Yes, yes, I agree with you, omniscience is the word. No seriously, what you said is what I was led to believe, that he does not determine a man's choice but nonetheless knows what a man will choose.

dougadam

10-16-2005, 02:34 PM

I hope to live in a paradise on earth.

attgig

10-16-2005, 08:26 PM

hmm. dont think i'm going...

<snip>.....</snip>

blah.. with my frame of mind, i know i'm not going to heaven. even if my sins were forgiven by God and those whom i committed them against, i would feel unprepared for what gift i could be given.

everything up to the last paragraph kinda makes me reiterate what everyone else said.... doing nice stuff != believing in God. I think Americans have a general concept of a christian as someone who's happy, nice, generous, and all the "good stuff". The reality is that there are jerks who are going to end up in heaven. no matter how nice we are.... it doesn't give us a ticket in....

and what kind of preparations do you have to make to receive a gift? do you have to prepare yourself before christmas or your bday to be ready to get gifts? what if someone just randomly did something nice for you. would you reject that? so, what is it really that keeps you from accepting this gift?

attgig

10-16-2005, 08:37 PM

just read the posts on this page...
...
I honestly couldnt tell you whats going on in my life... i used to live the "right way" but it was soo easily cast aside for my current life style. I'm much happier now, which leads me to believe my past life style was somewhat fake...

and yet, i still believe in things. I believe in God, and i believe every word in the Bible. I try a little here and there to show a little interest (such as this thread) in it etc... I feel guilty doing some things. Maybe i'm just fed up with the two-faced bulls**t going on in churches... maybe i'm one of those wayward fellows that will get things straightened out eventually... i donno.

that's a nice, hopeful way to look at things (keeping that hope is huge).....BUT what happens if you fall off your bike tomorrow and die? can you really just leave it to...maybe God didn't let me go... (and who knows...maybe you still do get to go to heaven. again, not by what we do, but by our faith).

anyways... the... "I'm much happier now....fake" part. Happy is a yuppie word. yes, you can seek happiness. and yes, i'm sure your current life/lifestyle is fun. I'm not going to deny that doing stuff of this world for ourselves can be fun. but that's why living for God is so hard (nobody said it was easy).
But... What's fake is if you put a face to the christian living, calling yourself a christian, and saying that you're really going after God, but... feeling like crap inside. I don't think that's what you want...nor do I think that's what God wants. I think there's a deeper happiness in Jesus - understanding the blessing that you're living in and being filled with joy. there are struggles and hardships many times, but I think there comes a point where you weigh the costs between living for this world or living for heaven, and knowing that the suckiness of now is little compared to the joy for eternity.

(getting long, sorry).

finally... the "two faced bulls**t" part.... I see that as just kind of a side issue. forget about everyone else.... this is a matter between you and God. figure that out first. then you can worry bout the other people. we're all screwed up, so, be slow to judge.

(got that "happy is a yuppie word" from Dylan - and now switchfoot).