View Full Version : do you think convicted sex offenders should be marked
nickel
10-17-2005, 10:40 AM
with a scarlet letter so they are easily identified in public?
how about special license plates, i believe they are pink, for those who have been convicted of DWIs?
WhiskeyPapa
10-17-2005, 10:49 AM
Minnesota has "Whiskey Plates". It's a special license plate that is plain white and starts with a "W". It is given to offenders that have three(?) or more DWIs. It's pretty easy to miss, and was not designed to alert the general public, but rather the police. The cops are allowed to pull over a car with whiskey plates at any time and check if the driver has been drinking.
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:s1egE5yEpRUJ:http://www.plateshack.com/y2k/Minnesota/mn2001dui.jpg
Grimm
10-17-2005, 10:49 AM
with a scarlet letter so they are easily identified in public?
how about special license plates, i believe they are pink, for those who have been convicted of DWIs?
How about we just kill them when we release them, it amounts to the same thing. That wasy we save some other citizen from going to jail for doing it themselves.
A big problem with this is the program would treat rapists the same as flashers. So people that really were not a threat to the community would be exposed to violence because of the mark.
zenbooty
10-17-2005, 10:50 AM
with a scarlet letter so they are easily identified in public?No. I believe a person who serves out their term in prison should have the opportunity to start over again without stigmatization. Otherwise the idea of prison as a rehabilitation method is meaningless.
how about special license plates, i believe they are pink, for those who have been convicted of DWIs?I really don't see this as being an effective deterrent. I know I for one couldn't give a flying rip about what color my licence plate is.
thresher
10-17-2005, 10:51 AM
I honestly believe that if you have had more than 3 dui's you shouldn't be driving at friggin all! Jeezus bug in a biscuit! How many chances someone going to get to kill someone? My sister got a handful and she's not allowed to drive again. For 10 years. And I think it's a good idea!!
nickel
10-17-2005, 10:52 AM
How about we just kill them when we release them, it amounts to the same thing. That wasy we save some other citizen from going to jail for doing it themselves.
A big problem with this is the program would treat rapists the same as flashers. So people that really were not a threat to the community would be exposed to violence because of the mark.
taking the opposite stance for the sake of debate, how many innocent victim's lifes would have been saved if they were alerted beforehand that the person was a convicted sex offender?
WhiskeyPapa
10-17-2005, 10:53 AM
I doubt the color of the license plate is intended to be a deterrent. Rather it is to alert law enforcement or the general public.
Cubsfan
10-17-2005, 10:53 AM
I really don't see this as being an effective deterrent. I know I for one couldn't give a flying rip about what color my licence plate is.
At least I could stay away from those cars! :)
nickel
10-17-2005, 10:54 AM
No. I believe a person who serves out their term in prison should have the opportunity to start over again without stigmatization. Otherwise the idea of prison as a rehabilitation method is meaningless.
I really don't see this as being an effective deterrent. I know I for one couldn't give a flying rip about what color my licence plate is.
i am for rehablitation, but there is growing evidence that once a sex offender, always a sex offender, and rehabilitation doesn't work.
WhiskeyPapa
10-17-2005, 10:55 AM
the idea of prison as a rehabilitation method is meaningless.Hey, we agree on something!
i am for rehablitation, but there is growing evidence that once a sex offender, always a sex offender, and rehabilitation doesn't work.
:stupid:
there have been SOOOO many rapes in which the attacker is a known sex offender! ...sometimes he's a repeated offender ......:angry: :censored:
i just think that there should be something a bit more effective for these monsters!
re: the dwi's ....i think it would be a good idea .....especially since alot of those people don't listen and keep driving drunk!
Grimm
10-17-2005, 11:13 AM
taking the opposite stance for the sake of debate, how many innocent victim's lifes would have been saved if they were alerted beforehand that the person was a convicted sex offender?
Sex offenders generaly aren't killers. That is a big step. Now you are talking about killers who are also sex offenders, it's a whole different animal.
Killers can be executed in most states so that isn't a problem.
Perhaps if we stepped back and looked at our sentancing structure it might be helpful. As it is now you can get more time for having more drugs than the personal use limit (even if it is for personal use) than for killing someone in many cases. Is that right? We need to step back and ballance the crimes with their sentances, not just give more time out for offenses that are big in the headlines. Give time for the damage it does.
Violent sex offenders can spend enough time in prison that they aren't nearly as dangerous when they get out. No mark is needed. They can chose to live a fairly normal life after that.
If we decide to give up on reform we could always find a big island to sent them all to...
Grimm
10-17-2005, 11:15 AM
Hey, we agree on something!
Oh, please! You misquoted him by leaving off the "Otherwise". He was saying the opposite of what you quoted. No, it's not funny. :nono:
Merlin
10-17-2005, 11:18 AM
No. I believe a person who serves out their term in prison should have the opportunity to start over again without stigmatization. Otherwise the idea of prison as a rehabilitation method is meaningless.
:stupid: Once a person pays his debt to society then that should be it. Time for a fresh start. I think that registering or branding goes counter to that. You may not feel that they have been punished enough but that is not really the point here.
WhiskeyPapa
10-17-2005, 11:27 AM
It's very rare that anyone, even a sex offender "serves out their term in prison". They are typically released on parole, at which time they are still serving their sentence. Would it be appropriate to identify these offenders during that time?
cheapie
10-17-2005, 11:27 AM
i agree w/grimm. some lady here let her 4yo nephew pee on the side of the road and was ticketed for public exposure. i think that means she's now a registered sex offender.
additionally, there are a lot of people that had sex w/older teens when they were just a few years older. this doesn't necessarily mean they will do the same thing when they are 40.
i agree zen. clean out the jails of people that are there because they had an ounce on them. :rolleyes: that's just bs.
MikeD
10-17-2005, 11:28 AM
with a scarlet letter so they are easily identified in public?
Sounds good to me. Pretty deviant crimes that call for a harsher punishment...
how about special license plates, i believe they are pink, for those who have been convicted of DWIs?
Yep, like this one too. At least we would know who the drunkies are out on the road.
Sex offenders generaly aren't killers. That is a big step. Now you are talking about killers who are also sex offenders, it's a whole different animal.
Killers can be executed in most states so that isn't a problem.
Perhaps if we stepped back and looked at our sentancing structure it might be helpful. As it is now you can get more time for having more drugs than the personal use limit (even if it is for personal use) than for killing someone in many cases. Is that right? We need to step back and ballance the crimes with their sentances, not just give more time out for offenses that are big in the headlines. Give time for the damage it does.
Violent sex offenders can spend enough time in prison that they aren't nearly as dangerous when they get out. No mark is needed. They can chose to live a fairly normal life after that.
If we decide to give up on reform we could always find a big island to sent them all to...
good point ....the one thing i don't agree with is ("Violent sex offenders can spend enough time in prison that they aren't nearly as dangerous when they get out")
sometimes people can't change no matter how many opportunities they are given, no matter how harsh they are punished ....etc
why are these offenders given so many opportunities? why do they deserve any opportunities?!
cheapie
10-17-2005, 11:44 AM
i think every responsible parent needs to go to their state's reqistered sex offender page and make sure they don't live next to or associate with one inadverently.
i think every responsible parent needs to go to their state's reqistered sex offender page and make sure they don't live next to or associate with one inadverently.
i checked my area a while back and there are 2 living @ an apartment complex next to my home and there are about 4-5 living in the same area as my dad's house .....were i visit at least 2-3 times a week!
nickel
10-17-2005, 11:54 AM
i think every responsible parent needs to go to their state's reqistered sex offender page and make sure they don't live next to or associate with one inadverently.
yeh, but that's not exactly the be all end all. for one thing do all sex offenders register like they should? and for another thing see below:
Sex offenders scattered across country after Hurricane Katrina
By TRISTAN SCOTT of the Missoulian
When Hurricane Katrina laid siege to the Gulf Coast in August, it scattered entire populations - including a number of registered sex offenders.
In Mississippi and Louisiana, more than 4,500 sex offenders have relocated, and they're beginning to pop up across the country.
And while sex offenders are required by law to maintain an address with local law agencies, many have disappeared and are out of compliance with their parole, probation or registry requirements.
New Orleans had more than 1,300 registered sex offenders, while its surrounding parishes had another 400. At least 3,500 were registered in Mississippi.
According to a spokesman from Verified Person, a company that offers pre-employment background screening and can track sex offenders, less than half of the displaced offenders have reregistered.
http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2005/10/17/news/mtregional/news04.txt
Airencracken
10-17-2005, 12:16 PM
i agree w/grimm. some lady here let her 4yo nephew pee on the side of the road and was ticketed for public exposure. i think that means she's now a registered sex offender.
additionally, there are a lot of people that had sex w/older teens when they were just a few years older. this doesn't necessarily mean they will do the same thing when they are 40.
i agree zen. clean out the jails of people that are there because they had an ounce on them. :rolleyes: that's just bs.
:stupid:
OMFG. I'm agreeing with *checks screenname* Cheapie? Holy crap! This is like the second thread today too!? Sign of the apocolypse. :gle:
cheapie
10-17-2005, 12:26 PM
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Airencracken
10-17-2005, 12:29 PM
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avlena
10-17-2005, 12:47 PM
At least I could stay away from those cars! :)
:stupid:
If I saw a car that was labeled a multiple-offender DUI, I'd be much more cautious while driving near that vehicle.
Regarding the Scarlet Letter, no, I don't think there should be one for ALL sex offenders, since as many people have pointed out you'd be condemning everything from violent rapists to the kid who pissed off his 17yr old girlfriend's parents and got nailed for sex with a minor. I think it's enough to have a website with the names and photos (and hopefully a description of their crime).
Regarding the Scarlet Letter, no, I don't think there should be one for ALL sex offenders, since as many people have pointed out you'd be condemning everything from violent rapists to the kid who pissed off his 17yr old girlfriend's parents and got nailed for sex with a minor. I think it's enough to have a website with the names and photos (and hopefully a description of their crime).
good point that many have made BUT i think we should be able to track (more effectively) the REAL (i guess you can say) serious sex offenders ....ie child/rapists/ ....etc
Itsme
10-17-2005, 03:10 PM
The problem with rehibilitation of sex offenders in prison is that they can go to classes, have treatment, etc. in prison, but there is no real way to see if they are rehibilitated because while in prison there are no kids around to tempt them. They may seem rehibilitated, but most often are not.
navyones
10-17-2005, 03:25 PM
Once a sex offender has done his/ her time, there shoud be no further punishment unless it was included in the original sentence. I realize that it has become common practice to show where sex offenders live in the cities now, and I don't even think this is right.
Currently, San Diego is having a problem with a couple sex offenders due for release. The offenders must be released into the San Diego area, but no community wants them. The prison offered to put trailers on prison land to accomodate these prisoners, but this was not even acceptable. Now, a proposal is underway to add two years to their sentences. This is in addition to the time already served, as per their convictions.
All of this doesn't sound like justice to me. The justice system becomes the problem, when it can't even operate within its own guidelines.
ooBaKeep
10-17-2005, 04:10 PM
I think Megan's Law database is doing a good job in California of letting the public know who the sex offenders are. http://meganslaw.ca.gov/. However, it's up to the sex offender to register when they move. Often they don't and go on to commit the same type or more heinous crime. Our current judicial system falls extremely short in
rehabilitation and correction of sex offenders.
Watch the news recently? Then you know how many children have been kidnapped, violently sexually assualted and/or killed by a repeated offender.
The statistics for sex offenders is alarming:
*Within 3 years of release, 2.5% of released rapists were rearrested for another rape.
*Sex offenders were about four times more likely than non-sex offenders to be arrested for another sex crime after their discharge from prison –– 5.3 percent of sex offenders versus 1.3 percent of non-sex offenders.
*On a given day in (1994) there were approximately 234,000 offenders convicted of rape or sexual assault under the care, custody, or control of corrections agencies; nearly 60% of these sex offenders are under conditional supervision in the community.
*The median age of the victims of imprisoned sexual assaulters was less than 13 years old; the median age of rape victims was about 22 years.
*An estimated 24% of those serving time for rape and 19% of those serving time for sexual assault had been on probation or parole at the time of the offense for which they were in State prison in 1991.
*Of the 9,691 male sex offenders released from prisons in 15 States in 1994, 5.3% were rearrested for a new sex crime within 3 years of release.
*Of released sex offenders who allegedly committed another sex crime, 40% perpetrated the new offense within a year or less from their prison discharge.
These stats are about 10 years old, but since we have more sex related crime today I would estimate that todays stats are higher than that.
Should they be marked? Ask a victim then pray it's not your child or someone you love!
An article worth reading. http://www.sandiegomag.com/issues/february05/featurea0205.asp
Grimm
10-17-2005, 04:37 PM
The statistics for sex offenders is alarming:
*Within 3 years of release, 2.5% of released rapists were rearrested for another rape.
*Sex offenders were about four times more likely than non-sex offenders to be arrested for another sex crime after their discharge from prison –– 5.3 percent of sex offenders versus 1.3 percent of non-sex offenders.
*On a given day in (1994) there were approximately 234,000 offenders convicted of rape or sexual assault under the care, custody, or control of corrections agencies; nearly 60% of these sex offenders are under conditional supervision in the community.
*The median age of the victims of imprisoned sexual assaulters was less than 13 years old; the median age of rape victims was about 22 years.
*An estimated 24% of those serving time for rape and 19% of those serving time for sexual assault had been on probation or parole at the time of the offense for which they were in State prison in 1991.
*Of the 9,691 male sex offenders released from prisons in 15 States in 1994, 5.3% were rearrested for a new sex crime within 3 years of release.
*Of released sex offenders who allegedly committed another sex crime, 40% perpetrated the new offense within a year or less from their prison discharge.
The stats are about 10 years old, but since we have more sex related crime today I would esttimate that the stats are higher than that.
Since 90% of sexual abuser were abused as children maybe rehabiltation should begin with better social services for our kids and get them out of these homes. Spend a penny now, save a fortune later.
Should they be marked? Ask a victim then pray it's not your child or someone you love!
Wow, nice slew of misinformation there.
5.3% recidivisim rate on sex offenders huh? You act like that is high compared to the 1.3% of non-sex offenders... but that is only for sex crimes. The real general recidivisim rate is around 85%.
So 5.3% of sex offenders do it again, compared to 85% of other criminals...
That's about 1 in 20 sex offenders. :|
What about the other 19? Should they be picked on because 1 of 20 will do it again?
60% of the 234K of sex offenders are on some kind of parole? That means that they are being monitored after release for 1.5x as long as they were in prison... that's a good thing, isn't it?
The 24% and 19% of sexual asaulters and rapists that got busted on parole/probation shows that the system works to re-incarcerate those who are not going to follow the rules.
Marking these people will not keep anyone safer. 94.7% of the sex offenders appear to have learned their lesson. It's not fair to continue to punish this majority for fear of what a minority 5.3% will do.
Marking these people will not keep anyone safer. 94.7% of the sex offenders appear to have learned their lesson. It's not fair to continue to punish this majority for fear of what a minority 5.3% will do.
so are you saying that we should risk the 5.3% of predators raping/assaulting another victim(s) in order to keep the other 94.7% from being punished?
ooBaKeep
10-17-2005, 05:09 PM
I don't support marking people, I believe we should have access to information like megan's law. If a rapist or sexual predator is next door I want to know it so I can inform my children and protect myself. If they continue to repeat the offense or commit crimes then keep them in jail.
Mommypooh
10-17-2005, 05:10 PM
I always look to see if there are any in the area and what type of crime it was and what their rating is. I have yet to be extremely concerned about one yet, but it is better to be informed than ignorant about dangers near your home. I do not bother them I just think it is my right to know how safe me and my kids are.
Here for DWI we have yellow plates with red lettering, but it is for all vehicles registered to the address of the offender, so you don't really know if it is them or not.
renovation
10-17-2005, 05:11 PM
do you think convicted sex offenders should be marked
the SOB should there sex organs removed and then have to have a plate that starts with sa for life .also must ware a leg harness till they die !
unless it was a special case like they were under 21 and got there 16 year old girlfriend pregnant .and were charged with rape do to a legal loop hole !
Sirrich3
10-17-2005, 05:35 PM
Mark them, ankle wire them.....
ialsohaveadream
10-17-2005, 06:46 PM
i agree w/grimm. some lady here let her 4yo nephew pee on the side of the road and was ticketed for public exposure. i think that means she's now a registered sex offender.
additionally, there are a lot of people that had sex w/older teens when they were just a few years older. this doesn't necessarily mean they will do the same thing when they are 40.
That's the problem I have with it. Getting caught while urinating does not equate to raping someone or molesting a child. If the term "sex offender" were to specifically imploy only a certain set of crimes (i.e. not just any crime involving sex, which could make those convicted on archaic adultery statutes "sex offenders"), I might reconsider.
i agree zen. clean out the jails of people that are there because they had an ounce on them. :rolleyes: that's just bs.
Long jail sentences should be reserved for violent criminals and child molesters, so we can be sure they'll serve their full sentence.
Airencracken
10-17-2005, 07:49 PM
so are you saying that we should risk the 5.3% of predators raping/assaulting another victim(s) in order to keep the other 94.7% from being punished?
Yes.
Airencracken
10-17-2005, 08:03 PM
the SOB should there sex organs removed and then have to have a plate that starts with sa for life .also must ware a leg harness till they die !
unless it was a special case like they were under 21 and got there 16 year old girlfriend pregnant .and were charged with rape do to a legal loop hole !
:rolleyes:
yeah that's reasonable. why don't we just let a mob lynch them.
I've always thought the best way to rid the world of male sex offenders would be to rid them of their third leg. No jail time, No Fine, just remove their penis (if it could be worked out, giving them a vagina-like structure so they would have to pee sitting down would be teh hawtness) and release them back into society. Of course I'm not saying this isn't without it's complications, but :shrug: It would be something to do for serial offenders. On the upside, they could go to work, and help pay taxes instead of being a finiancial drain :D
oblongmelon
10-17-2005, 09:19 PM
Sex offenders generaly aren't killers.. .
No-they only kill any chance a person has of living a normal life ever again..I say FRY THEM.
molecularfire
10-17-2005, 10:45 PM
If you guys are going to talk about recidivism rates, might as well look up some data... this one is kinda old but I don't see any reason why things would've changed in the last couple of years and it does a pretty decent job of breaking down the different types of sexual offenses. http://www.csom.org/pubs/recidsexof.html
Perhaps if we stepped back and looked at our sentancing structure it might be helpful. As it is now you can get more time for having more drugs than the personal use limit (even if it is for personal use) than for killing someone in many cases. Is that right? We need to step back and ballance the crimes with their sentances, not just give more time out for offenses that are big in the headlines. Give time for the damage it does.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/corrtyp.htm
As for my opinion... In general, I agree with the concept that if a person has served their time (if we let them out early, we have nobody to blame but ourselves) then they have served their time. If you wanna pick on them after that, then feel free to do so but don't hide behind the veil of justice. Grow some cajones and just be honest about what you're doing.
That said, IMO conviction for certain crimes ex: murder (for anything other than self defense), rape, sexually victimizing children (for parameters, I am comfortable drawing the line at anyone 18 or above having sex with or molesting someone 14 or below) should have an automatic death penalty assessment. If you wanna tag them first fine... tatoo insert here with an upgoing arrow on their inner thigh before you put them in jail. These are the ones I'm going to comment on right now. I'm sure there are other offenses that I'd be happy to kill people for but it's late at night and I'm tired.
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