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zippyjuan
10-22-2005, 06:21 PM
http://start.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20051022/4359b940_3ca6_1552620051022-761110156


Tests of Fabled Archimedes Death Ray Fail
October 22, 2005 7:04 PM EDT
SAN FRANCISCO - It wasn't exactly the ancient siege of Syracuse, but rather a curious quest for scientific validation. According to sparse historical writings, the Greek mathematician Archimedes torched a fleet of invading Roman ships by reflecting the sun's powerful rays with a mirrored device made of glass or bronze.

More than 2,000 years later, researchers from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the University of Arizona set out to recreate Archimedes' fabled death ray Saturday in an experiment sponsored by the Discovery Channel program "MythBusters." Their attempts to set fire to an 80-year-old fishing boat using their own versions of the device, however, failed to either prove or dispel the myth of the solar death ray.

The MIT team's first attempt with their contraption made of 300 square feet of bronze and glass failed to ignite a fire from 150 feet away. It produced smoldering on the boat's wooden surface but no open flame. A second attempt from about 75 feet away lit only a small fire that burned itself out.

Mike Bushroe of the University of Arizona's Lunar and Planetary Laboratory tried a mirrored system shaped like flower petals, but it failed to produce either smoke or flames.

Peter Rees, executive producer of "MythBusters," said the experiment showed Archimedes' death ray was most likely a myth.

"We're not saying it can't be done," Rees said. "We're just saying it's extremely impractical as a weapon of war."

The experiment showed it may be technically possible, but didn't answer whether Archimedes used it to destroy enemy ships, MIT professor David Wallace said.

"Who can say whether Archimedes did it or not?" he said. "He's one of the great mathematical minds in history. I wouldn't want to underestimate his intelligence or ability."

Historical text describes Archimedes defeating a Roman fleet using the ray.

In "Epitome ton Istorion," John Zonaras wrote: "At last in an incredible manner he burned up the whole Roman fleet. For by tilting a kind of mirror toward the sun he concentrated the sun's beam upon it; and owing to the thickness and smoothness of the mirror he ignited the air from this beam and kindled a great flame, the whole of which he directed upon the ships that lay at anchor in the path of the fire, until he consumed them all."

"MythBusters" also tried to recreate the ray last year, and after failing, declared the story a myth.

"If this weapon had worked, it would have been the equivalent of a nuclear weapon in the ancient world," Rees said.

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DarkFury
10-22-2005, 07:38 PM
More than 2,000 years later, researchers from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the University of Arizona set out to recreate Archimedes' fabled death ray Saturday in an experiment sponsored by the Discovery Channel program "MythBusters." Their attempts to set fire to an 80-year-old fishing boat using their own versions of the device, however, failed to either prove or dispel the myth of the solar death ray.


Geez.. that episode of "MythBusters" where they debunked this myth was at least 2 seasons ago.

This falls into the "moldy" category from seeing it on TV.

gear02
10-22-2005, 07:55 PM
I love mythbusters :)

TruckStuff
10-22-2005, 08:08 PM
Some other guy created a much more effective solar "Death Ray" than the one on MythBusters. This guy torched everything he could get his hands on. I'll see if I can find the link...

BigJon
10-22-2005, 08:18 PM
Some other guy created a much more effective solar "Death Ray" than the one on MythBusters. This guy torched everything he could get his hands on. I'll see if I can find the link... Oh yeah...I remember seeing that one!
Found the one I was thinking of:

http://www.solardeathray.com/

Was that the same one Truckstuff?

Bires
10-22-2005, 08:57 PM
They attempted to replicate the solar conditions of an open salt-sea port in the summertime with the weather conditions in a closed-bay, urban port in October?

Bires
10-22-2005, 09:00 PM
BTW: I've used parabolic mirrors (in my physics class) to set wood on fire, so it is very much possible.

I suspect the Roman craft were corroded and the plant-tar used to seal the vessels was far more flammable than a modern equivalent.

zippyjuan
10-22-2005, 11:26 PM
It does say that Mythbusters did it last year.

DarkFury
10-23-2005, 02:13 PM
It does say that Mythbusters did it last year.
I know, which is why I'm wondering why this is newsworthy again... since it failed again.

Now... if they were to have gotten it to work, then WOW... that's news. :heh:


Nothing against you for posting it... just wondering about the original reporting of it. It's just so .. meh.. :shrug:

will_dou
10-23-2005, 07:46 PM
LOL, BigJon in the link you provided the guy "torched" an AOL CD. I hate AOL! :P :lmfao:

TruckStuff
10-24-2005, 07:13 AM
Oh yeah...I remember seeing that one!
Found the one I was thinking of:

http://www.solardeathray.com/

Was that the same one Truckstuff? That's the one. Save me some googling. ;)