ok, older ugly party mom gets 30 years, and pretty young teacher gets no jail time.

[nickel]

No Jail Time for Florida Teacher in Sex Case
Tuesday, November 22, 2005

TAMPA, Fla. — A Florida reading teacher charged with having sex with a minor pleaded guilty on Tuesday to two counts of lewd and lascivious behavior as part of a plea deal that does not include any jail time.

"I accept full responsibility for my actions," Greco Middle School teacher Debra Lafave, 25, said during Tuesday's trial in Tampa.

The deal provides that Lafave will not serve any jail time in connection with multiple sex acts with a 14-year-old student unless she violates the terms of the plea agreement, which includes three years of house arrest and seven years' probation.

"To place an attractive young woman in that kind of hell hole is like putting a piece of raw meat in with the lions," Lafave's attorney, John Fitzgibbons, said in July of the possibility of jail time. "I'm not sure she would survive."

The boy told investigators the two had sex in a classroom at the Greco school in Temple Terrace near Tampa, in her Riverview town house and once in a vehicle while his 15-year-old cousin drove them around Marion County.

He also said to investigators that Lafave had told him her marriage was in trouble and that she was aroused by the fact that having sex with him was not allowed. He said he and Lafave, a newlywed at the time, got to know each other on their way back from a class trip to SeaWorld Orlando in May 2004.

Hillsborough Circuit Judge Wayne Timmerman said Lafave will forever lose her teaching certificate, must register with the state as a sexual predator, may not have any contact with children including the victim and will not be allowed to profit from the sale of her story or personal appearances.

Prosecutor Michael Sinacore said the young victim's family wanted to get the case over with because of the intense public and media scrutiny.

"We're happy that the victim's family can put this case behind them," he said. "The whole process has been very difficult, and we hope they can now resume their lives."

After Tuesday's hearing, Fitzgibbons said the plea was "a fair resolution of this case." Asked how she felt afterward, Lafave said "tired."

On Friday state Circuit Judge Wayne Timmerman ordered attorneys not to talk publicly about the pending prosecution of Lafave amid worries of seating an untainted jury. The gag order was a major setback for the defense, which appears to have led to today's resolution.

"I don't see what the harm is in telling these guys from this point on in order to get a fair and impartial jury, you guys keep your mouths shut," the judge said last week.

The victim's mother said afterward that the public scrutiny had taken its toll on the family, and they just wanted to see it all end.

"If we had continued along this path, this would have followed him forever," said the mother, whose name was being withheld to protect her son's identity. "My prayer is that he can leave this behind him and go on and be a happy, healthy young man."

Lafave had faced four felony counts of lewd and lascivious battery and one count of lewd and lascivious exhibition, each of which carry a maximum 15-year prison term.

Fitzgibbons last week had said Lafave would plead insanity at trial, claiming she was under such emotional stress that she didn't know right from wrong.

Fitzgibbons said in July that plea negotiations had broken off because prosecutors insisted on prison time, which he said would be too dangerous for someone as attractive as Lafave. He said then that she planned to plead insanity at trial, claiming emotional stress kept her from knowing right from wrong.

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[doolittle]

The partymoms sentence doesent make sence at all, she must have gotton a court appointed lawyer , 30 years is crazy, like she killed those boys. there is obvoisly some bias going on here, maybe the teacher worked off some of her sentence after hours.

[BigJon]

I'd hit it.


Well...they didn't go into detail as to what she did. Partymom not only had sex with the boys on multiple accounts, but also gave out free alcohol too. That seems like a lot of broken rules there.

Sounds like Hotteacher just had sex with a kid 4 times and then exposed herself. :shrug:

[Cubsfan]

Sexual predator, eh? Around here, when one moves into your neighborhood, they hold a meeting to tell everyone. If they did that with her moving in, I'd definately be leaving my doors unlocked :naughty:

[ialsohaveadream]

Of course she got a lighter sentence, she's younger and prettier!

[bachviet]

:agree:

Works every time.

[Chompers]

Sexual predator, eh? Around here, when one moves into your neighborhood, they hold a meeting to tell everyone. If they did that with her moving in, I'd definately be leaving my doors unlocked :naughty:

Too funny :lmfao:

[johnnymk]

Too funny :lmfao:


Very Very Funny!!

[mcs328]

well the party mom had multiple offenses but this lady got no jail time because she was pretty.

"To place an attractive young woman in that kind of hell hole is like putting a piece of raw meat in with the lions," Lafave's attorney, John Fitzgibbons, said in July of the possibility of jail time. "I'm not sure she would survive."

So pretty people are saved and ugly ppl are screwed. That must be a perk when you belong to the Beautiful Peoples Club...too bad for us normies.

[sizemic1]

I think the fact that the "ugly" woman was providing kids drugs and alcohol made her offenses worse than the "pretty" woman's. I thought 30 years jail time was a bit much, but all in all, I agree with the sentencing.

[renovation]

i like to take lessons from the x teacher - but the mom who got 30 years .got what she should of becouse she was drugging the kids to sleep with her :)

[zero2dash]

i like to take lessons from the x teacher - but the mom who got 30 years .got what she should of becouse she was drugging the kids to sleep with her :)

Umm...I don't think that's correct. She might've given the kids some weed but she wasn't putting "mickies" or ghb/rohypnol (date rape drug) in their beers. From what I remember about the older woman, the sex was consentual (but the prosecution probably argued "contributing to the deliquency of a minor" or something).

Once again - the US legal system = screwed. :disa: :thumbdown:

[mcs328]

Would it be ok in court that the judge or jury not see the face of the accused or the accuser? In this way you could lower bias on race or a pretty face when hearing evidence but the accused and the accuser still maintain their right to face each other.

[kgsilvas]

The 2nd biggest difference between the two cases is that "Part Mom" comitted her crimes in Colorado. They have the toughest sexual offense sentencing guidelines in the country. Remember when Kobe was facing 25-life there? Florida's sex criminals are typcially sentenced to far less time.

[eSDee]

It was a plea bargain thats why she didn't get jail time.

[Prisoner 24601]

I saw interviews before I came to work on Good Morning America and even the kid, who looks like he's 19, stated the same thing! That she is too pretty to be sentenced and if she was ugly, she would be in prison!

[esme]

i think that the "old mom's" sentence was fair because she provided drugs, alcohol and had sex w/was it 5 or 6 of the boys?

this lady is just sad! .....she should've gotten some jail time but because of the plea agreement she didn't! .....why did they have a plea agreement to begin with anyway?! ....so stupid!

[riskykougra]

I think they both deserve jail time just probably not 30 yrs. As for the "old"party mom the drugs and the amount of children she abused got her more time since they usually count each person as a separate offense.
But I do think the younger one should have had to serve some jail time too because as a teacher you are intrusted to care for the children and educate them...and not just sex ed...:rolleyes:

[ialsohaveadream]

Would it be ok in court that the judge or jury not see the face of the accused or the accuser? In this way you could lower bias on race or a pretty face when hearing evidence but the accused and the accuser still maintain their right to face each other.
It'd be kinda hard to read body language if you couldn't see the person testifying.

[attgig]

i think the teacher used the insanity plea (or some derivation thereof) to get the lighter sentence. imo, too light, ESPECIALLY in contrast to the old uncool mom.

[ufcrusher]

Crap...I wrote a book and it disappeared before I posted it.

Basically I was saying there are 3 distinct reasons for the different outcomes.

1. Plea vs. Guilty Verdict - By taking a plea, both sides avoid the uncertainty of trial. Had the DA lost this case, he would most likely have lost his job. The public wanted the woman to be punished and this was the ONLY was to guarantee that outcome. It is a known fact that she was going to use insanity as a defense and it is quite possible that she would have been found not guilty. The plea gave her 3yrs house arrest, 7yrs probation, registering her as a Sex offender, lost her license, and she cannot be around children. The loss of license and registering as a sex offender are two MAJOR losses fo this woman.

People should also realize that there is no evidence that she had done this before or indications that she would do it again. The "victim's" age was the only reason that this was a crime and from what I have read it is just a question of Statutory rape. (Meaning the issue of consent is not looked at) While this does not make what she did any better, one should realize that she isnt a normal sexual predator.

2. Nature of crime - While both women had sex with minors, the "party mom" had sex with multiple minors. She also gave them alcohol and drugs which in Florida at least, would have eliminated the question of consent even on an 18y+. (Yep, enjoy a night of passion with a consenting adult in Florida who happened to have downed a drink, popped a pill, or smoked a joint and officially she/he couldnt have consented, so you "raped" them -- It was one of those WTF moments in college when we were told about that law)

Thus you have a woman who is drugging/providing alcohol for MULTIPLE victims vs. a woman with 1 victim with no drugs/alcohol involved. Think of it as 1 pt for each drug, 1 pt for the alcohol, 1 pt for sexual acts, multiplied by each victim. You would have 3pts *3 victims = 9 pts to 1pt *1 victim= 1pt

Yes, that is a very crude way to describe it, but it highlights the very different nature of the offenses. In reality, you would also have to look at the length and frequency of the incidents as well, such as 1 time vs. 102 times, but you get the point.

3. Location - this is the keystone of the difference here. Different states have different ages of consent as well as different tiers. Age of consent in some states can be as low as 14 (used to be even lower, I think 12 or 13). Add onto that some states use 4 years difference rules. And thats just to determine if the sex was CONSENSUAL. Once its statutory rape, you can have different cutoffs to make the crime worse. I.e. - in some states under the age of 12 is aggravated sexual assault and allows additional punishments and other enhancements.

Thus, Florida vs. Colorado can make ALL the difference in the world. You could theoretically have sex with the same person in each state and be fine in one state and a rapist in the other. Plus, each state can have their own sentencing patterns/recommendations.

If you think its just an issue of Beauty and the Beast, whereby Beauty always gets off easier......it might help but I wouldnt say that is WHY this happened.

[cheapie]

2. Nature of crime - While both women had sex with minors, the "party mom" had sex with multiple minors. She also gave them alcohol and drugs which in Florida at least, would have eliminated the question of consent even on an 18y+. (Yep, enjoy a night of passion with a consenting adult in Florida who happened to have downed a drink, popped a pill, or smoked a joint and officially she/he couldnt have consented, so you "raped" them -- It was one of those WTF moments in college when we were told about that law)

so if a girl has sex with you while you're high/drunk she raped you? and if you are both hammered are you raping each other?

[zenbooty]

and if you are both hammered are you raping each other?That's hot.

[Mommypooh]

I think she should have gotten some time for it. That is a bit redicoulous that she gets no jail time.

[renovation]

maybe the teacher only gave head -and thats not sex remember it worked for a president !

[brainsmile]

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49383

[cheapie]

man. she's kinda hot in that picture.

[ialsohaveadream]

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49383
Wow, there were actually a couple decent-looking chicks in there. How does that happen?

[welfareloser]

That's hot.

:heh:

*zinc lozenge almost gets ejected out my nose*

ow.

[Dem0072]

It's incredibly humerous.

If two 16 year olds go at it together - parents get ticked, at most a prosecution and the girl looks like a seduced poor girl, and the boy looks like a guy taking advantage of a girl...

If a 16 year old buy & a 20+ year old girl go at it together - girl is suddenly a "child rapist" and based on how pretty she is I guess theres sympathy for her sentence.

If an older man and a younger woman (22 year old man, 14-16 year old girl), go at it together - you rarely hear about it yet its the gravest of all sickening sins. Well the guy knows hes in deep **** if anyone finds out, and the girl knows her image after people find out, so this is the rarest caught instance.

What I find ironic is usually the younger ones in the mix are all for it and it's the older ones that are uncertain and hessitant. Whats even further funny is the older ones usually have jobs & are the more capable of supporting a kid in the instance of pregnancy - yet this is the most punnishable offense at the lot.

So basically what you have is a society where a 16 year old can get pregnant by a 16 year old guy & the guy runs off chicken scared - however the only people that could ever make it decent are the ones being thrown in jail.

I'm not defending these kinds of things or anything - but it's stupid that tax payers pay for kids & those who are responsible and able to take the load off of the tax paying society get a slap on the wrist when it was a mutually consenting situation.

Putting it simple - unless the kids drugged or drunk, you usually won't hear any complaints from em. In the instance of rape, murder is usually a considered option.

It is retarded though.

Iron undies & less sex ed might help...... slightly, untill pocket knives are replaced with steel cutting lasers & the "sexually explicit contents" are finnished being declassafied to those just finnishing gerber commercials.

[DarkFury]

If an older man and a younger woman (22 year old man, 14-16 year old girl), go at it together - you rarely hear about it yet its the gravest of all sickening sins. Well the guy knows hes in deep **** if anyone finds out, and the girl knows her image after people find out, so this is the rarest caught instance.

Actually, this is probably one of the "most caught" (i.e. most common) scenarios... It just doesn't get the media hype that the other "statutory rape" cases get unless the perpetrator is someone famous or widely recognized (i.e. the "R. Kelly" syndrome). Back when I was in high school, there were a couple of "teacher scandals" of inappropriate relations between some teachers and students... but none of them were "hot female teachers"... all were men with high school girls.

Anytime a woman supposedly "rapes" a man... that's big news!

Maybe it's just the rarest "hyped up" instance. :D

[welfareloser]

What I find ironic is usually the younger ones in the mix are all for it and it's the older ones that are uncertain and hessitant. ... unless the kids drugged or drunk, you usually won't hear any complaints from em.

exactly. kids don't know what's best for them. that's the whole point of statutory rape being a grievous crime. i know for a fact that 2 of my kids would "consent" to drinking a beer. that doesn't make it less of a crime for me to crack one and hand it to em.


Iron undies & less sex ed might help......

wishful thinking. throughout human history, there have been massive penalties for all kinds of sex (premarital, extramarital, homosexual, etc) and it didn't stop a damn thing. kids knew a heck of a lot less in the 50s, and it didn't cut down much on sex. catholic priests and nuns in the middle ages. ancient greeks and egyptians. people largely tend to have sex with whom they want, whatever society may think. stonings, beatings, hangings, burnings, nose-slittings, excommunications, scarlet letters, exiles... none of those do much to curb human sexual behavior, save to make people really careful about covering their tracks. the only thing that actually works to prevent sex is the person in question being convinced that he/she would rather not have sex. effort expended trying to force someone to not have sex when they want to is 99% wasted.

[Dem0072]

exactly. kids don't know what's best for them. that's the whole point of statutory rape being a grievous crime. i know for a fact that 2 of my kids would "consent" to drinking a beer. that doesn't make it less of a crime for me to crack one and hand it to em.


Agreed, however it would be nice if schools would show kids what disaster & messed up times it can lead to instead of handing them the condom & cucumber.



wishful thinking. throughout human history, there have been massive penalties for all kinds of sex (premarital, extramarital, homosexual, etc) and it didn't stop a damn thing. kids knew a heck of a lot less in the 50s, and it didn't cut down much on sex. catholic priests and nuns in the middle ages. ancient greeks and egyptians. people largely tend to have sex with whom they want, whatever society may think. stonings, beatings, hangings, burnings, nose-slittings, excommunications, scarlet letters, exiles... none of those do much to curb human sexual behavior, save to make people really careful about covering their tracks. the only thing that actually works to prevent sex is the person in question being convinced that he/she would rather not have sex. effort expended trying to force someone to not have sex when they want to is 99% wasted.

Meant more of as a joke, but yes you could call it wishful thinking. Reguardless of the legal penalty the law isn't seen as quite what it used to be seen as. These days you can go & steal music online with a few mouse clicks yet the RIAA walks around with their thumbs up their butts as to how to end the problem.

People too young to have a decent job capable of supplying funds in a worst case scenario, is just a very stupid problem to have to deal with.

Myself, I just consider sex a binding contract. Unzip the fly, knowing full well mishaps are possible. Should you proceed in these actions, I don't see where any doctor or how society is responsible when you were logically forwarned of the risks.