You think Kanye deserves to win Album of the Year as much has he thinks he does?

[Apex]

Your enthusiasm for him is clearly insufficient! Worship his magnificence NOW, RIGHT NOW!

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2684817

Yea, none is so deserving. If he doesn't win, it's clearly political. Recognize it.

[hapoo]

lol
man he's cocky as hell, but i do love his music. It just so happens i went to his concert at UCI this past monday with 4th row seats. VERY VERY fun show.

[Freelance Superhero]

it depends on who his competition is. i'm of the opinion that most current music that is recognized by the grammys (or whathaveyou) is crap, so for kanye to be lauded as the best of the crap, well more power to him. i honestly couldn't care less.

[BigJon]

The part that bothers me about him is how much he speaks about God and the bible...but doesn't back it up by acting cocky and cursing. I mean, don't get me wrong...I listen to rap music. I curse myself. But don't pretend that you are holy and then spout off 12 cuss words and then think of yourself as a god....

:shrug:

I guess I just think he seems too hypocritical.

[LPMiller]

he is very talented, and the album is very good. I don't think being a jerk or not really should affected his chances.

[Merlin]

Man he worked really hard on that CD and deserves to be recognized. Especially since none of the other nominated artists worked hard on theirs. :rolleyes:

That fool needs to get a grip. He is not the only deserving person out there.

[ialsohaveadream]

Late Registration had about 5 solid tracks on it, which is more than most albums (hip hop or otherwise) that come out anymore. And I wouldn't deny him the award because he's cocky. I mean, if I'd support a heroin addict for an award, it'd be pretty ridiculous to think Kanye didn't deserve it because he's arrogant.

[MikeD]

I LOVE Kanye, baby! He's the best! No doubt that he should win...

:woohoo:

[johnnymk]

Are there any samples anywhere? I haven't heard his music. Is it just rap? If it is, then forget it.

[nickel]

Are there any samples anywhere? I haven't heard his music. Is it just rap? If it is, then forget it.
here's a sample for you johnny

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8400730120188776481

well... it's a parody, but you can still get the drift.


as far as Kanye winning Album of the Year... i hope he doesn't because then we can all watch a grown man have a tantrum like a little baby.... again.


I LOVE Kanye, baby! He's the best! No doubt that he should win...

:woohoo:
you crack me up. :laugh:

[johnnymk]

Thanks, nickel....if that's the best, I can't imagine what the rest sounds like.

[tupacboy]

i used to be a fan of his... but now i'm kinda getting sick of him... he's too big on himself....

[Freelance Superhero]

johnnymk, if you're not into rap to begin with, i wouldn't start you off with kanye anyway.

my opinion is that he shoulda stuck to production, and even his production is subpar sometimes. something about his whole persona, even the way he talks, seems phony to me. :shrug:

[LPMiller]

he is pretty fully of himself, and is very good at putting his foot in his mouth. Again, I don't see that being related to album of the year, though.

[Freelance Superhero]

he is pretty fully of himself, and is very good at putting his foot in his mouth. Again, I don't see that being related to album of the year, though.
i agree with this sentiment, but i guess, for the sake of staying on topic, i don't think his music is good enough, generally speaking, to merit such an award. then again, like i said, it depends on who his competition is, and if we're speaking in relative terms, he may just be the most deserving of the group.

[attgig]

i wonder if he's in the hole 60 grand (or is it 600) because his music sucked and nobody wanted to buy it...or is it cuz everyone pirates now. :P there u go riaa. get the grammy winner to still not be making money from his album, and you got yourself an advertising campaign.

[cheapie]

other than the fact that he's a racist hypocritical blowhard, i like his music. :heh: usually turn it up when i hear it.

[ialsohaveadream]

Thanks, nickel....if that's the best, I can't imagine what the rest sounds like.
Uh, that wasn't Kanye. And that was a God-awful parody. I could only stand about 10 seconds before I closed the window. For a lesson on proper video parody, see: Chapelle, Dave. ;)

he is pretty fully of himself, and is very good at putting his foot in his mouth. Again, I don't see that being related to album of the year, though.
:stupid: Jay Z gave himself a nickname that basically implies he thinks he's God. Still, he's one of the better rappers alive (though not necessarily the "best rapper alive" that he always refers to himself as).

So for those bothered by Kanye's arrogance (which honestly is miniscule compared to Jay Z's), would you prefer:
a) The days of gangster rap, where the image was all violence and drugs, or
b) The "baller" rap, which mostly consists of bragging (about money, women, etc).

And no, I'm not asking to bait you. I don't plan to respond to your choice unless I have something particularly funny to say about it. ;)

[KIISQueen]

All I know Is his makin bank, and he deserves it!!!!

[eSDee]

Doh! Fixed. Damnit.



Album Of The Year
(Award to the Artist(s) and to the Album Producer(s), Recording Engineer(s)/Mixer(s) & Mastering Engineer(s), if other than the artist.)

* The Emancipation Of Mimi
Mariah Carey
Mariah Carey, Brian Michael Cox, Jermaine Dupri, Young Genius, Scram Jones, The
Legendary Traxster, LROC, The Neptunes, James Poyser, Manuel Seal, Kanye West &
James "Big Jim" Wright, producers; Dana Jon Chappelle, Jermaine Dupri, Bryan
Frye, Brian Garten, John Horesco IV, Manny Marroquin, Mike Pierce, Phil Tan &
Pat "Pat 'Em Down" Viala, engineers/mixers; Herb Powers, mastering engineer
[Island Records]

* Chaos And Creation In The Backyard
Paul McCartney
Nigel Godrich, producer; Darrell Thorp, engineer/mixer; Alan Yoshida, mastering
engineer
[Capitol Records]

* Love. Angel. Music. Baby.
Gwen Stefani
Andre 3000, Dallas Austin, Dr. Dre, Nellee Hooper, Jimmy Jam, Tony Kanal, Terry
Lewis, The Neptunes, Linda Perry & Johnny Vulture, producers; Andre 3000, Andrew
Coleman, Greg Collins, Ian Cross, Dr. Dre, John Frye, Simon Gogerly, Mauricio
"Veto" Iragorri, Matt Marin, Colin "Dog" Mitchell, Pete Novak, Ian Rossiter,
Rick Sheppard, Mark "Spike" Stent, Phil Tan & Johnny Vulture, engineers/mixers;
Brian "Big Bass" Gardner, mastering engineer
[Interscope Records]

* How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb
U2
Brian Eno, Flood, Daniel Lanois, Jacknife Lee, Steve Lillywhite & Chris Thomas,
producers; Greg Collins, Flood, Carl Glanville, Simon Gogerly, Nellee Hooper,
Jacknife Lee & Steve Lillywhite, engineers/mixers; Arnie Acosta, mastering
engineer
[Interscope Records]

* Late Registration
Kanye West
Jon Brion, Warryn "Baby Dubb" Campbell, Just Blaze, Devo Springsteen & Kanye
West, producers; Craig Bauer, Tom Biller, Andrew Dawson, Mike Dean, Anthony
Kilhofer, Manny Marroquin, Richard Reitz & Brian Sumner, engineers/mixers; Vlado
Meller, mastering engineer
[Roc-A-Fella]

[Freelance Superhero]

confessions?? isn't that album like 2 years old?

weird... my sense of time is all warped...

[eSDee]

Aha you're an usher fan :hehehmm:

jk

[ialsohaveadream]

"The College Dropout," Kanye West.- excellent album.

Esdee's Projected Winner : TBA
It's Late Registration, pendejo. ;)

And if it's up against American Idiot, I'd give the nod to Green Day. That album was probably their best stuff. I think Kanye pulls a close second. Usher's overrated, and Alicia Keys' last album was better. I never listened to the Ray Charles stuff.

EDIT: Whoops, looked at the wrong list. My thoughts on the actual nominees...
U2- Terrible. Always. I can't stand them.
Paul McCartney- Didn't listen to it.
Gwen Stefani- Didn't listen to it.
Mariah Carey- Fairly impressive comeback for her. It should either be her or Kanye to take it, but I bet Whitey chooses U2.

[Freelance Superhero]

Aha you're an usher fan :hehehmm:

jk:puke: i thinks notta...

if that is the list, the only real competition i see is coming from U2. personally, i'd rather see them win than kanye...

[johnnymk]

and Alicia Keys' last album was better.

Now there's a great singer

[cmdenter]

I don't listen to his music, but I think, his winning is reasonable. Maybe he could be understood 2 years later or longer. Things like that happend all the time.

[ArkiStan]

Can somebody recommend some good tracks on his nominated album? I'd like to get a taste.

[eSDee]

Can somebody recommend some good tracks on his nominated album? I'd like to get a taste.

The song that he rants about in the video about is called Roses, which is a pretty powerful song. Hey Mama is good, and I like Diamonds as well. There are a bunch of good songs on there though. Of course, the most famous songs are Gold Digger and Touch The Sky. Try any of those.

[ialsohaveadream]

The song that he rants about in the video about is called Roses, which is a pretty powerful song. Hey Mama is good, and I like Diamonds as well. There are a bunch of good songs on there though. Of course, the most famous songs are Gold Digger and Touch The Sky. Try any of those.
Geez, dropping all those names and not hitting the best track on the album. For shame! Hey Mama was better when it was still in pre-production on the advance....which of course I never heard. :shifty:

Hottest track on the whole CD is #19- Gone.

[johnnymk]

I finally got a chance to listen to a few songs of Kanye West. All I can say is after about 30 seconds listening to each song, I just couldn't take any more of that noise :ugh: :thumbdown

[DarkFury]

Everyone's a critic and entitled to their own opinions...

I'm sure that something someone else likes is "noise" to someone who doesn't like that particular song/artist. :shrug:

Oh well.. and life goes on. I personally like the album.

[nickel]

Everyone's a critic and entitled to their own opinions...

I'm sure that something someone else likes is "noise" to someone who doesn't like that particular song/artist. :shrug:

Oh well.. and life goes on. I personally like the album.
a lot of people like him, but he seems to be his own biggest fan, and he lets his huge ego do the talking a lot of times.

i'll admit i groove to "Gold Digger" when it's on, but i'm not big into his music or his lyrics.

[zero2dash]

Kanye -
I liked College Dropout a lot more...I think it's a much better album than Late Registration.
Kanye's good but I think there's several other rappers with more talent and better tracks than him (namely OutKast or Ludacris...I love both).

As for album of the year...WTF is with the omission of Green Day - American Idiot?? That's got to be the best album I've heard all year...they've had 4 solid top 10 hits off that album (and excellent videos to compliment those songs).

Wake Me Up When September Ends - gotta be the song of the year IMO. (Although I think Boulevard of Broken Dreams is better, I think Wake Me Up... has gotten more airplay.)

[modena]

I am going to withhold if I like Kanye's music or not (ok I like his music), but he is SOOOOO full of himself, I dont think I would ever go see him live or support him monetarily. I like the music, not the man.
And on another note, my brother is a huge rap and hip-hop fan, he will not even listen to ANYTHING Kanye, he thinks that he should not always say the things he thinks and that, again, is full of himself.
I think he should just performed, made music, put out cds, etc. for a few years, and then if he wasnt recognized for something (if he continued to put out decent stuff), then maybe start saying something. But I just dont think he has been "mainstream" popular long enough to warrant being labeled King of Rap/Hip-Hop (or whatever his genre is).
And on another note, he is very fashionable, but so are so many others, like Jay-Z and Pharrel, that it is hard to say someone is the most stylish in the industry when style is probably like one third of the game.

[MikeD]

Kanye! My man!

http://www.wimp.com/kanye/

[ialsohaveadream]

As for album of the year...WTF is with the omission of Green Day - American Idiot?? That's got to be the best album I've heard all year...they've had 4 solid top 10 hits off that album (and excellent videos to compliment those songs).
That album came out last year. It was nominated....last year. :P

a lot of people like him, but he seems to be his own biggest fan, and he lets his huge ego do the talking a lot of times.
Noel and Liam Gallagher claimed that Oasis was bigger than Jesus and the Beatles. I think that's pretty much the biggest ego I've ever seen from a musician.

[nickel]

That album came out last year. It was nominated....last year. :P

Noel and Liam Gallagher claimed that Oasis was bigger than Jesus and the Beatles. I think that's pretty much the biggest ego I've ever seen from a musician.
i agree, there is yet another monstrous ego to add to the list.

Kanye thinks he's the biggest thing out there too, and he clearly demonstrates it in the link MikeD posted.

[Freelance Superhero]

just out of curiosity...

it seems to be general consensus that KW is really full of himself, arrogant, cocky, and whatever else. what i'm wondering is where this image stems from...?

as someone who doesn't watch a lot of television, i don't get to see him in his candid live interviews on talk shows, MTV, or even his music videos. i don't read a lot of entertainment news, so i don't read his interviews either.

i can't tell much about his character from his music; i only know that i don't particularly care for it.

so i'm wondering, for all of you out there who can't stand him because he's so self-absorbed and deluded, where is it coming from? i'm just curious.

[DarkFury]

so i'm wondering, for all of you out there who can't stand him because he's so self-absorbed and deluded, where is it coming from? i'm just curious.
Probably... it stems from his "disapproval" of the Bush Administration. :D

Guess ego is good, till you attack a "favorite son". :shrug:

[kimchicowboy]

i'm not gonna say if i like his songs or not since i really don't know them. but,

i don't think i've ever seen him smile in public appearances. that's kinda sad. he always seem to be mad or trying to look "hard."

[nickel]

just out of curiosity...

it seems to be general consensus that KW is really full of himself, arrogant, cocky, and whatever else. what i'm wondering is where this image stems from...?

as someone who doesn't watch a lot of television, i don't get to see him in his candid live interviews on talk shows, MTV, or even his music videos. i don't read a lot of entertainment news, so i don't read his interviews either.

i can't tell much about his character from his music; i only know that i don't particularly care for it.

so i'm wondering, for all of you out there who can't stand him because he's so self-absorbed and deluded, where is it coming from? i'm just curious.
well besides him mouthing off at a televised benefit for Katrina victims that, "George Bush doesn't care about black people", when in actuality the number of whites who died in Katrina outnumbered the number of blacks (read all about it Kanye), i have read several things that Mr. Mouth - Kanye West has said that show how cocky, and full of himself he is.
For example he had a tantrum in front of everyone after losing out at the AMA.

The THROUGH THE WIRE hitmaker lost out to country singer GRETCHEN WILSON in the Breakthrough New Artist category at the Los Angeles ceremony and fumed, "I feel I was definitely robbed. I was the best new artist this year. I don't know if I'll be back at this award show next year."

After tearing into Wilson's music backstage he labelled it "bull****".
http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/entertainment/17112004.htm

also, i was reading STUFF magazine back in Sept., and they had proclaimed Kanye the sharpest dresser of the year or something, and did a little interview with him.
in the interview he claims whites shouldn't be allowed to use black slang for two years after it comes out because if they do they are just trying to be black.
he goes on to say it's ok for whites to say, "bling", "homie", and "hottie" now because those were black sayings two years ago, and he won't say those words now.

there are other incidents, but those three are enough for me to dislike him.

did you watch the vid link that MikeD put up FreeLance? http://www.wimp.com/kanye/


Probably... it stems from his "disapproval" of the Bush Administration. :D

Guess ego is good, till you attack a "favorite son". :shrug:
that's not the only reason. he continues to add to the list.
i think Kanye just needs to grow up and realize it's not all about him.

[LPMiller]

Probably... it stems from his "disapproval" of the Bush Administration. :D

Guess ego is good, till you attack a "favorite son". :shrug:

do you honestly believe that? He did nothing before that to come off as too cocky? At all? C'mon man.

[MikeD]

he always seem to be mad or trying to look "hard."

Heh, that's pretty atypical behavior for a rapper though, right? ;)

Kanye is annoying because it's all about him. Spotlight, spotlight, me, me. I'm gonna rant and pout if I don't win album of the year. I didn't get 5 mics, my song wasn't a classic, blah blah, me, me.

The Gretchen Wilson deal where he was, ahem, "robbed" was one of the first things in a long line of "classics" by Mr. West that turned me off to him. His Bush/Katrina comments only added to it, and now his recent MTV interview...well, you get the point. He's pretty much an *******.

[ialsohaveadream]

so i'm wondering, for all of you out there who can't stand him because he's so self-absorbed and deluded, where is it coming from? i'm just curious.
Eh, doesn't bother me. I listen to music by guys who overdosed on heroin and put a shotgun in their mouth. A big ego is a far lesser thing.

[johnnymk]

Well, Elvis was a nice guy and I don't like his music. George Michael is gay and I love his music.

Don Henley is totally self absorbed and I love his music. John Lennon was a jerk and I don't like his music.

I see no correlation between their personalities and their music.

[MikeD]

Well, Elvis was a nice guy and I don't like his music. George Michael is gay and I love his music.

Don Henley is totally self absorbed and I love his music. John Lennon was a jerk and I don't like his music.

I see no correlation between their personalities and their music.

Understand your logic, but don't see the correlation between sexual preference and personality. Nice guy, self absorbed, and jerk are personality traits...I don't think being gay is.

JMO...:shrug:

[johnnymk]

Understand your logic, but don't see the correlation between sexual preference and personality. Nice guy, self absorbed, and jerk are personality traits...I don't think being gay is.

JMO...:shrug:


Ok. then add sexual orientation.

[guiseppewv]

Kanye! My man!

http://www.wimp.com/kanye/


He needs a bitch slap to bring him back to reality.

[Freelance Superhero]

ahhh i see...

it does make more sense now, and no, nickel, i hadn't seen that video before. pretty intense. he's kinda like a pouty little boy.

anyway, thanks for enlightening me. i feel i am better for it. :D

[ialsohaveadream]

After listening to a Jay-Z song today, I remembered that for his last few albums, he's taken to calling himself "Hova" or "Jay Hova", which is supposed to imply Jehovah, which means Jay Z thinks of himself as God. Upon further review, that might actually be more egotistical than Oasis.

And in case you're wondering, yes, Kanye is on Jay Z's record label. And Jigga is executive producer on Kanye's stuff. Maybe a little bit of that rubbed off on Kanye.

[LegendKiller]

I saw him on Oprah today (steph was watching it).

I think people do not fully realize what type of person he is. Considering his past and the accident that almost killed him, the guy just has a different outlook on life. He is showy, brash, and often abrasive. However, he has a "live for today" type of attitude and loves to show it off.

What he says about himself is exactly what he says about others. He was pissed .50 didn't get Album of the year a few years ago and said it.

He seems pretty talented and nice if a bit full of himself.

I think his "hard" look comes from the fact that his teeth are probably fake and his jaw is still not right. He seems a bit self-concious about it and would rather not smile all that much to show off his faults. Just a quess but it seems to prove out.

[guiseppewv]

I saw him on Oprah today (steph was watching it).


Suuure. Riiiiight. Ok, if you say so. We all know you are addicated to Oprah. :P ;)

[ialsohaveadream]

Suuure. Riiiiight. Ok, if you say so. We all know you are addicated to Oprah. :P ;)
I was thinking the same thing. LK's sitting on the couch thinking, "Come on girl, PLEASE click over to Oprah so I can pretend to suffer through watching it." :)

[DarkFury]

do you honestly believe that? He did nothing before that to come off as too cocky? At all? C'mon man.
I'm saying that for some folks.... Nobody really was paying Kanye (or his ego) any attention until that situation.

He became a "household name" instantly overnight... C'mon man.. you gotta recognize THAT at least.


After listening to a Jay-Z song today, I remembered that for his last few albums, he's taken to calling himself "Hova" or "Jay Hova", which is supposed to imply Jehovah, which means Jay Z thinks of himself as God. Upon further review, that might actually be more egotistical than Oasis.

And in case you're wondering, yes, Kanye is on Jay Z's record label. And Jigga is executive producer on Kanye's stuff. Maybe a little bit of that rubbed off on Kanye.
Exactly... yet nobody is ridin' Jay-Z's buttocks for his own level of "cockyness"... Not that anyone really cares one way or another.

Braggadocio is a trademark characteristic of a rapper. Going all the way back to one on one "battle raps" back in the day.

I see nothing different here.... just a national spotlight on it.

[LPMiller]

I'm saying that for some folks.... Nobody really was paying Kanye (or his ego) any attention until that situation.

He became a "household name" instantly overnight... C'mon man.. you gotta recognize THAT at least.


No one is denying that, in fact there is a whole thread devoted to that comment. Not the point. The point is, he did get some notice for his attitude, and he is getting more, and the two are in fact related. It's not all because he don't like Bush.

[DarkFury]

No one is denying that, in fact there is a whole thread devoted to that comment. Not the point. The point is, he did get some notice for his attitude, and he is getting more, and the two are in fact related. It's not all because he don't like Bush.
I never said it was the ONLY reason (but a major contributory factor to all this "hub bub" now)... however I do still believe that the controversy has heightened the public awareness to him (and his ego.) and that it still plays a part in some peoples opinons.

Cocky or not... judge the music for the award. People like it, or they don't, or they don't even care. I still think that had the controversy not happened, nobody right now would even be saying anything about this.

We can agree to disagree if you like... but that's my opinion on it.

[nickel]

I never said it was the ONLY reason (but a major contributory factor to all this "hub bub" now)... however I do still believe that the controversy has heightened the public awareness to him (and his ego.) and that it still plays a part in some peoples opinons.

Cocky or not... judge the music for the award. People like it, or they don't, or they don't even care. I still think that had the controversy not happened, nobody right now would even be saying anything about this.

We can agree to disagree if you like... but that's my opinion on it.
i see what you are saying, but even if Kanye didn't diss our President i still would have read about him or heard of his ego. the interview article i read on him where he says i can't use his slang until he's through with it, well yeh... i still would have read that, and i still would have thought, "f*ck you mang".