The Apprentice Finale

[PoorAvatar]

For those of you who saw the twist at the end, can you PLEASE explain human beings to me. :wow:

[DarkFury]

This probably belongs in the Entertainment forum... versus the "Softer Side".

Just a heads up... as it might end up being moved by the GAM. :D

[PoorAvatar]

Thanks to whoever moved this to Entertainment.

[LegendKiller]

I think Randall made a huge mistake in not allowing the other woman to be co-apprentice. He won, he was picked first, allowing her a good opportunity would have cost him nothing. He could have made himself not just an apprentice, but a graceful winner and a superior person. I was extremely disappointed.

[Apex]

No class at all, very disappointing. It's a little little man that has the attitude "it's not enough that I succeed, but everyone else must fail."

[brainsmile]

bah... he just didn't want to share the light with anyone

[gear02]

what exactly happened?

[brainsmile]

Trump hired Randal. Then he asked Randal if he should hire Rebecca and Randal said there can only be one apprentice. Donald said he could live with that answer.

[gear02]

Trump hired Randal. Then he asked Randal if he should hire Rebecca and Randal said there can only be one apprentice. Donald said he could live with that answer.

Heh...i hope he gets run over by a truck.

Nevermind the fact that there are, what, 5 apprentices?

[riskykougra]

I think he was just afraid if Donald hired her too he would realize she was the better choice all along. I think the guy is a real a$$ to do that to someone but atleast the whole world saw it and knows what he is really like now. But if you listen Donald did say "Ok we'll leave it at that....for now". So maybe he didnt want to cause any kind of scene but is going to hire her anyways. I mean really he is supposed to be a huge business tycoon...would you let a guy who has been working for you for 30 seconds tell you who to hire?

[LegendKiller]

bah... he just didn't want to share the light with anyone


The light would have been much brighter if both of them had been in it. Imagine the good press he would have gotten, the additional interviews, the good PR...etc.

Instead, he turns out to be a egotistical jerk bent on making sure nobody else does as well as him. It reminds me of a person trying to be saved by a lifeguard while they are drowning. Instead of accepting a bouy so they both could live, Randal just held onto Rebecca, drowned her, and survived.

Some could say "Thats business". However, most people who do that end up broken in the end. It is a sad state of affairs when you are respected for being utterly ruthless. Me? I prefer to work with those I respect, not rip them to shreds.

[PoorAvatar]

I love you guys! You have restored my faith in humans.

:shakehand

[Cubsfan]

If I remember correctly, wasn't she clapping for him even after he did that? She really seemed classy.

[LegendKiller]

If I remember correctly, wasn't she clapping for him even after he did that? She really seemed classy.


Her initial look was "WTF did you just do, DIE DIE DIE". It then quickly turned into a stone-faced smile/mask, then she started clapping. She handled it well but you could tell she was pissed. I haven't seen any post-show interviews regarding the issue. It'd be interesting if she pulled a TO move and self destructed. I highly doubt it, she seemed pretty smart.

[brainsmile]

she'll get offers regardless.

[TofuNinja]

YOu guys are all wrong here. Randal is right. Did you even listen to what he said? He said and I hoep I am quoting right I may miss a word.

"Mr. Trump I firmly believe that this is the Apprentice. Not the Apprentices. If you are going to hire someone tonight it should be only one. It's not the Apprenti."

First this is a competition and there can ONLY BE ONE winner. I don't care how fair or unfair it is. Yes Rebecca was a star. But Trump made his pick. You can dog Randal all you want. Wish he gets killed and what not. But he was only stating what the rules of the game part of the show are. Just like Trump won't fire Mike from last season even though he sat on his ass the task after he won as PM. Rules are rules as Trump said then and rules are rules as Randal reminded him on the Finale.

However if you notice Randal said TONIGHT. He did not say never hire Rebbeca. He said for tonight, if you are going to hire someone, make it one. Sure he did not say you could hire her tommorrow or in the future. But can you not blaim him for being a little bit stoked?

You are all being quick to judge.... mow many of you followed the whole season? I have. Randal did the right thing but did not phrase his words kindly enough. It is a game, only ONE winner. You can't have two times win the Super Bowl.

So cut this guy some slack.


I think he was just afraid if Donald hired her too he would realize she was the better choice all along. I think the guy is a real a$$ to do that to someone but atleast the whole world saw it and knows what he is really like now. But if you listen Donald did say "Ok we'll leave it at that....for now". So maybe he didnt want to cause any kind of scene but is going to hire her anyways. I mean really he is supposed to be a huge business tycoon...would you let a guy who has been working for you for 30 seconds tell you who to hire?

HE is not an ass, he is playing the game part. Did you watch the show at all? Did you? Randal gained the respect of ALL the other candidates. He is anything but an ass. He was simply stating the rules. Again it would be like after the Patriots beat the Eagles asking Tom Brady if he thought because the Eagles put up a good fight if they too should be Super Bowl Champions.

It was a competition. and as i pointed out, Randal said tonight. For that night, only one person. And again he didn't say hire her tommorrow Mr. Trump. But man I would have said the same thing. It was unfair of Trump if you think to put him on the spot like that. Now people will judge him unfairly who don't follow the show.

Notice that even Trump kinda wanted to hire both of them (and I thought he was going to) but he still picked ONE winner. Trump could have said.... you are both stars. Rebecca, Randals, YOUR BOTH HIRED!. But there is only ONE Apprentice per season.

I've just scanned a lot of the news on this Finale and the Media is not quoting Randal right. So really unless you followed the whole season, watched the Finale and truly listend to what Randal said, cut him some slack.

[TofuNinja]

Here's the link to Yahoo's apprentice site. You can watch the Uncut finale seconds and hear for yourself what Randal says......

http://apprentice.tv.yahoo.com/trump/04/index.html

Bren from season 3 had this to say about this situation

"I totally agree with Randal. The show is called 'The Apprentice', not 'The Apprentices' or as Randal put it: "it's not 'The Apprenti'!"

Sure, Randal screwed Rebecca out of a chance to have a job. But if Trump hired both...what's the point? There can only be ONE apprentice."

he continues

I do think that Randal could have done a better job at stating his reasons as to why Rebecca shouldn't have been hired. But hey, who am I to judge? If I was in Randal's shoes, I would have been a smart-a** and said:

"Sure Donald, hire Rebecca...I need an assistant. Rebecca, go get me a coffee!"

Bren has been following the show for Yahoo this season just like Raj did last season


This is what David Bloomberg wrote on his Apprentice Blog


I’d like to say a few words on Randal’s actions after he won, when he denied Rebecca a chance to be hired as well. I can’t read his mind so I don’t totally know his motives. However, I do think he could have handled it in a better fashion. I would understand if his point was that there should only be one winner. Fine. But why deny Rebecca an opportunity to be hired? While it’s easy to Monday-morning (or in this case, Friday-morning) quarterback, I do think Randal should have replied differently. He could have said, "Mr. Trump, I think Rebecca would be a great person to hire outside of this Apprentice process." He should has said this, Tofu Or, "I don't think she has enough experience to do the job you suggested, but she should be hired in some capacity. In fact, I'd love for her to work for me." Etc.

Randal went through the entire show as one of the most-liked contestants. He won based partly on this fact. But if my e-mail is any indication, he lost pretty much all of that goodwill in just that one moment.

http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?article=article5937.art&page=1

I think most people agree (me included) is that Randal didnt word it right. Two things NOT considered here... would Rebecca have said Hire Randal too? And if you were Rebecca and Randal offered to hire you to work for him....would you have been insulted... I would have.

I am trying to find a response from her to see how she reacted.

[Jeffbx]

I followed the show pretty closely & heard his exact words, and I still lost 99% of the respect I had for him the moment he said his piece.

Rules schmules - I was actually anticipating Trump to announce that they were both hired. When Trump asked Randall if he would hire Rebecca if he were Trump, I fully expected that Randall would say, "In a second," or something along those lines. When he said no, I lost a ton of respect for him, and I bet Trump did, too. Reasons:

- You want your business to succeed. In order to do that, you hire the best people you can. If someone of Rebecca's quality was available, you snag her up as fast as you can. Randall appeared selfish in that he wasn't willing to share the spotlight, even though it's the right thing to do for his new employer.
- You need to be seen as a team player, even if you're in charge of the team. By saying 'no', he pretty much let everyone know that he's threatened by Rebecca. He was already announced as the winner; his position won't change whether she's an employee or not. But now we all know (or at least suspect) that he's afraid of her being there, too.

It was a bad business decision on Randall's part. I bet Trump hires her anyway.

[TofuNinja]

Again if Trump really wanted to hire both, he would have done it I think. Why he asked Randal is beyond me. Maybe he had his doubts. I still respect Randal. Maybe I am th eonly person alive who does. He's human he makes a mistakes.

http://java.sys-con.com/read/164462.htm

She was offered a job by SYS-CON events to be their CEO and President. If she takes it she will earn $150,000.

[Cubsfan]

- You want your business to succeed. In order to do that, you hire the best people you can. If someone of Rebecca's quality was available, you snag her up as fast as you can. Randall appeared selfish in that he wasn't willing to share the spotlight, even though it's the right thing to do for his new employer.

I thought that was kind of the whole reason Trump gave that "it's not a game to me, it's real business" speach right before he decided.

[LegendKiller]

Tofu, I think you are attributing too much to "tonight", I don't think he meant it as a "if you just want to hire 1 person tonight it should be me, tomorrow is OK".

The "game" is for ultimately 1 candidate to shine and then get a position. If you are in an interview and there is one spot (like this) then yes, you should only hire one person.

However, Trump was completely open to hiring two, there were two jobs and two people who were more than able to do those jobs. There was nothing lost to Randal sharing the spotlight, it wasn't a 0-sum game, he would have his job and she would have hers. He wasn't giving up *anything* and he would have gained a ton of respect.

I have seen people like that. Those who will sell out their co-workers to get a short-term gain. My boss' old boss was like that, he used my boss and when my boss got a better job, he treated my very nice boss like crap. He eventually had the lowest manager scores in the company and was recently let go.

Another guy in my company is the same type of person as Randal. A fast-talking "intellectual" who has done nothing more than trample others on his way to the top. Three senior analysts have quit because of his lording over them "I graduated from University of Chicago, you graduated from a lower school, I am better than you". Or "I am your boss, bow to me".

People cannot stand him and I could see him doing exactly what Randal did. Eventually people lose respect for you and you end up crapping on each other to jockey for position. You end up in a sea of morons who play the politics the whole time.

Just like the guy who was on Martha's apprentice, one of the last 3. "Its all a game, its all politics, screw everybody else". Sure, it is a game, there are a lot of politics, but you don't screw everybody else.

You need to pick your friends and enemies, weigh your gains and losses, and make educated and logical decisions.

Randal was an self-centered idiot.

[TofuNinja]

again I disagree with all of you. I believe in Randal and think he did the right thing. He will do good and he did earn the respect of the other candidates. He's a good person from what I saw.

You can bash him all you want, that's cool. I feel that he did word his reasons right. Maybe there are other reasons why people hate him. I have no idea. He was the LONE winner in a game with ONE winner.

I stand by my line of thinking that if Trump REALLY REALLY REALLY wanted to hire both of them, he would have just done it. Instead he did what was right and hired one. Then Randal backed him up.


I thought that was kind of the whole reason Trump gave that "it's not a game to me, it's real business" speach right before he decided.

But there are rules to be followed too. In Season 3 he should have been able to Fire Michael for sitting on his ass while he was not able to be fired due to winning as a PM. Instead he was forced to fire Danny. So yes he does want it to be Business. But he still has to follow the rules of his own show.

But I too thought he was going to hire both. Why not, if you can fire four in one week, hiring two would be ok too right?

[Cubsfan]

The whole firing multiple people at a time really irritated me, only because I think it was planned from the start. I'm guessing that NBC has to have a certain number of shows, and that they agree on that at the start. So they must have planned to fire 4 'extra' people during the run of the show.

Other shows seem to have to make up for things like this. For instance, on Top Model (girlfriend makes me watch it), one girl quit, so on a later show they didn't send anyone home. There weren't any apprentice episodes like that.

[eSDee]

I was a little disappointed that Randal didn't allow her to be hired, but oh well. My girlfriend was pissed because even though she thought he was barely the better applicant, she thought it was ****ty thing to do. I don't know why he didn't allow her to be hired, but he won, and so therefore I don't think he was required to share the limlight at all.

[riskykougra]

[QUOTE=TofuNinja]YOu guys are all wrong here. Randal is right. Did you even listen to what he said? He said and I hoep I am quoting right I may miss a word

HE is not an ass, he is playing the game part. Did you watch the show at all? Did you? Randal gained the respect of ALL the other candidates. He is anything but an ass. He was simply stating the rules. Again it would be like after the Patriots beat the Eagles asking Tom Brady if he thought because the Eagles put up a good fight if they too should be Super Bowl Champions.


Wow first off maybe try a deep breath in through the nose and out through the mouth. I watched the entire season where Randal spent most of the last couple of days telling Rebecca he was glad it was them at the end because he had the utmost respect for her and her skills...blah blah blah. And if you had read what I wrote, (Did you? Did you?) you would also see that Donald said he wouldnt hire her right then...Now I dont know what Rebecca would have done but I know I would of said yes hire Randal too since they both wanted different jobs. But that is my opinion, you dont have to like it I wont lose any sleep tonight.:shrug:

Just reread the thread and its funny how Im the one you choose to attack for calling him an a$$ when that wasnt even the worse thing written...interesting...but not that interesting:laugh:

[TofuNinja]

attack? Interesting choice or word..... I quoted you because you pretty much summed up what the others were saying in a well put together paragraph. but if that's an attack..... oh well.

[DarkFury]

YOu guys are all wrong here. Randal is right. Did you even listen to what he said? He said and I hoep I am quoting right I may miss a word.

"Mr. Trump I firmly believe that this is the Apprentice. Not the Apprentices. If you are going to hire someone tonight it should be only one. It's not the Apprenti."

First this is a competition and there can ONLY BE ONE winner. I don't care how fair or unfair it is. Yes Rebecca was a star. But Trump made his pick. You can dog Randal all you want. Wish he gets killed and what not. But he was only stating what the rules of the game part of the show are. Just like Trump won't fire Mike from last season even though he sat on his ass the task after he won as PM. Rules are rules as Trump said then and rules are rules as Randal reminded him on the Finale.

However if you notice Randal said TONIGHT. He did not say never hire Rebbeca. He said for tonight, if you are going to hire someone, make it one. Sure he did not say you could hire her tommorrow or in the future. But can you not blaim him for being a little bit stoked?

You are all being quick to judge.... mow many of you followed the whole season? I have. Randal did the right thing but did not phrase his words kindly enough. It is a game, only ONE winner. You can't have two times win the Super Bowl.

So cut this guy some slack.

:agree:

My question is... Why didn'tTrump offer the "second place" person a position in any of the other Apprentice shows? Why start on this one?


Trump didn't offer Kwame a position when Bill won... in the first one (since the "evil bitch" Omarosa deep sixed him good)... so why the change in heart now?

I'm willing to bet that the same folks who said Kwame didn't deserve it back then are saying that Randall should have given her the "co-title" now.

Pretty much Trump should've made that decision rather than leave it in the hands of the contestant... if he felt so strongly that he wanted her on his staff (and like Tofu said, it's not like Trump still couldn't hire the girl... she just wouldn't share the title of "Apprentice" on this go round...)

[riskykougra]

attack? Interesting choice or word..... I quoted you because you pretty much summed up what the others were saying in a well put together paragraph. but if that's an attack..... oh well.

Well then maybe it was the just the tone of your writing. When some asks something like "did you even watch it, did you", it almost sounds like you are assuming that because I dont happen to agree with you that I must be stupid or something not to understand the show...but atleast I didnt say anything to wish him harm I merely stated what I thought of him. But then if what I said pretty much summed everyone else up well then ok...but I was only expressing my own opinion on how he made me feel at the time not agreeing just to agree. I found the ending a real letdown knowing he could of done something for someone that no one else could have done or will probably get the opportunity to do again. And maybe attack wasnt the proper word but it was late and I couldnt think of anything else ...:laugh:

[Cubsfan]

:agree:

My question is... Why didn'tTrump offer the "second place" person a position in any of the other Apprentice shows? Why start on this one?


I don't get this argument. Ratings were way down this year, so it's basically a way to try to bring them back up by being "unpredictable". He didn't fire four people on any other previous show either, why start with this one? It gets pretty stale when there are no real suprises.

[TofuNinja]

Well then maybe it was the just the tone of your writing. When some asks something like "did you even watch it, did you", it almost sounds like you are assuming that because I dont happen to agree with you that I must be stupid or something not to understand the show...but atleast I didnt say anything to wish him harm I merely stated what I thought of him. But then if what I said pretty much summed everyone else up well then ok...but I was only expressing my own opinion on how he made me feel at the time not agreeing just to agree. I found the ending a real letdown knowing he could of done something for someone that no one else could have done or will probably get the opportunity to do again. And maybe attack wasnt the proper word but it was late and I couldnt think of anything else ...:laugh:

It's all good. the "Did you even watch it, did you" was directed not at you but at everyone who was ripping him. Both you and LK said you watched it and I respect your takes on the finale. I too was like whoa, he's gonna share... WTF! oh well he was the winner and yes, only one. It would have been a nice fairytail ending if both would have won. Did you see how pissed Adam looked? He was all clapping and nodding when Trump asked him, then he looked like he was punched in the gut. It was a surprising moment to say the least.

[RIVERWIDOW]

I think that Randal was right in saying what he felt. Trump didn't hire him to be a YES man. I saw Randal on Regis & Kelly on Monday and I still think he was right in standing his ground. If Trump had really wanted to hire her , he would have done it. Not ask a 3 minute employee to make the decision for him. If you nay sayers have been watching the show from the beginning you know Randal has been a class act all along. Plus Trump ambushed him with this question. Maybe it was a test .
Whatever ,I say " Go Randal":woohoo:

[Grimm]

If it was NASCAR and Jimmie Johnson just pulled off a first place victory and the race sponsors asked him if he wanted to share his victory and prize with the 2nd place driver, 'cause he was really close, the answer would be "No".
Same with football, tennis, soccer, and every other form of compitition.

[Cubsfan]

If it was NASCAR and Jimmie Johnson just pulled off a first place victory and the race sponsors asked him if he wanted to share his victory and prize with the 2nd place driver, 'cause he was really close, the answer would be "No".
Same with football, tennis, soccer, and every other form of compitition.
I'm not sure that this really applies. He DID win. Nobody would dispute that.

I'd look at it more like this: Say the Cubs said that they would give a 5 year contract to the player who had the highest batting average this season. When the season was over, they asked the Batting Champion if they should also offer a contract to the guy who hit 2 points less. Seems to me like he should say yes, since he wants his new team to be as good as possible.

[RIVERWIDOW]

I'm not sure that this really applies. He DID win. Nobody would dispute that.

I'd look at it more like this: Say the Cubs said that they would give a 5 year contract to the player who had the highest batting average this season. When the season was over, they asked the Batting Champion if they should also offer a contract to the guy who hit 2 points less. Seems to me like he should say yes, since he wants his new team to be as good as possible.

Do the Cubs have anyone worth giving a 5 year contract?...... JK.....! The winner is the winner. 2nd place is just another name for 1st loser! I agree with the Nascar analogy. Randal won- why try to take his thunder. I bet if trump had asked this question a day later he night have gotten a different answer.

[Cubsfan]

I bet if trump had asked this question a day later he night have gotten a different answer.
Maybe, but then again, nobody would be talking about it. And that's really all it is, right? A way to start up the water cooler talk.

[RIVERWIDOW]

Maybe, but then again, nobody would be talking about it. And that's really all it is, right? A way to start up the water cooler talk.

Thats true. And we all know Trump is nothing but about the $$$. I am trying to figure out how he is going to make the new baby pay off. :santa:

[PoorAvatar]

Here's a link from the Larry King show yesterday. Trump, Randal & Rebecca did a phone interview. You have to scroll down a little. Haven't had a chance to read it all myself yet but am interested in what Rebecca has to say.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/19/lkl.01.html

[DarkFury]

I don't get this argument. Ratings were way down this year, so it's basically a way to try to bring them back up by being "unpredictable". He didn't fire four people on any other previous show either, why start with this one? It gets pretty stale when there are no real suprises.
But still... offering up the alternate job is a major change.

We still haven't seen "Co Survivors", or "Co Winners of Amazing Race". With the huge prize up for grabs, there usually is only ONE winner.

Besides, if Trump really wanted to hire the girl... he still could have (and probably will). It was his FINAL decision. Randall just gave his own input as to why he was against that notion.

[Jeffbx]

Plus Trump ambushed him with this question. Maybe it was a test.

I think it was, and I think Randall failed.



If it was NASCAR and Jimmie Johnson just pulled off a first place victory and the race sponsors asked him if he wanted to share his victory and prize with the 2nd place driver, 'cause he was really close, the answer would be "No".
Same with football, tennis, soccer, and every other form of compitition.

You have to look at this as a job interview, not a sporting event.

You're hiring people for your company. You go through an extensive (and very expensive) process of eliminiation to narrow down the best candidates available for the position. Out of over a million applicants, you narrow it down to the two best. You have two open positions. You think it makes smart business sense to discard the second person because they were not the 'winner'? Randall was chosen first - it's clear he was Trump's top choice, and for good reason. All other things being equal, his education clearly makes him stand out.

But it was bad judgement on Randall's part to say don't hire her. She's obviously top notch talent - it would be silly to pass her up for egotistical reasons.

[PoorAvatar]

:agree:

DarkFury, although I see your take on this one, I gotta go with "Don't hate the game, Hate the playa! :)

[DarkFury]

:agree:

DarkFury, although I see your take on this one, I gotta go with "Don't hate the game, Hate the playa! :)
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions... And who is hating who? :shrug: You actually started the thread since you are in disagreement with the outcome.

If Trump still wants her... he can have her... for the right price obviously. More or less he got what he wanted... extreme ratings and people are still talking/discussing this show a week later. No better advertising than that for the next edition of "The Apprentice". (Maybe he'll change the name to 'The Apprenti" or something to clarify that there can be more than one. :heh: )

BTW... anyone who thinks that ONE person will make/break a company are full of themselves. Yeah, Rebecca may be good, but if she chooses to go elsewhere, I'm sure Trump is not gonna beat himself up over it or lose any sleep. There are MANY more good people of her caliber out there... so why get all riled up about it? :shrug:

[PoorAvatar]

It was just a play on your tag line. :) Meant to be funny... meaning don't hate the Game "The Apprentice," hate the Playa! (Randal). Which is how I feel, sort of, I don't hate Randal, but I am dissapointed.

[DarkFury]

Gotcha... and no problems.

It's not like Randall is gonna hire ME to go work for Trump. :heh: So honestly, I could(n't) care less about it now. It's over and done. (It's so last week... :heh: )