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johnnymk
12-20-2005, 04:13 AM
By Susan Snyder Inquirer Staff Writer

When he saw two female students ignoring a school police officer's command to stop, South Philadelphia High School principal Kevin King took off in fast pursuit.

"If she asks you to stop, you stop!" King admonished when he caught up with the girls, both 15, a couple floors below. He directed the girls to a nearby classroom, where they joined others nabbed in a midday crackdown on what seems to be the course of choice for some students: "hall-walking."

Educators say that hall-walking - avoiding class and wandering around the building - is disrupting education at the city's largest schools, eating away at morale, and leading to a deterioration in student behavior.

Hall-walking students hang in bathrooms and talk. They knock on classroom doors, make faces at teachers, and vandalize. They hang in large groups, and alone, and they curse and assault staff members who confront them. Sometimes, they're not even students at the school, but are on campus to settle a dispute.

"These hall-walkers, these chronic cutters, are just like a total cancer to the system," said Mary Branigan, a French teacher and union representative at George Washington High in the Far Northeast. "When I grew up and kids cut, they didn't go to school. These kids are cutting and roaming the halls."

Her class was interrupted on Thursday when a group of seven males charged through the hall, followed by a school police officer, she said.

Some school personnel also report hallway "stampedes," in which large groups of students sprint down a hall.

"Have you seen the running of the bulls in Pamplona, Spain? That's what this is like," said Patrick Panikowski, an English teacher and union representative at Fels High in Oxford Circle.

Despite traditional remedies such as "hall monitors" and "hall sweeps," hall-walking remains a problem faced by many school systems across the country, said Ken Trump, president of National School Safety & Security Services, a Cleveland-based consulting firm.

And it has worsened as principals under pressure to raise test scores have chosen to employ more educational staff at the expense of security, he said.
Paul Vallas, Philadelphia schools chief executive, said the district spends more on security now than when he arrived but noted that hall-walking remained his "biggest headache."

"You have the kids who aren't attending class and the kids who are arriving to class late," he said. "And you also have overage underachieving kids, who are just marking time when they come to school."

Vallas said the district is sending veteran principals into its large high schools to recommend improvements. Northeast High principal Kelly Barton and Ozzie Wright, principal of a district military academy, are spending three weeks at South Philadelphia High, helping King, who is new to the district. Last year, he was an assistant principal at Avon Grove High School, in Chester County.
The district, Vallas said, may hire private companies to manage noneducational operations in some schools.

Merlin
12-20-2005, 04:56 AM
So what ever happened to educational staff that cold handle children? Sounds like that school needs a new principal that is up for the job.

chadlnc
12-20-2005, 05:19 AM
You aren't allowed to "handle" kids any more. That just gets you sued for violating their rights.

Yossarian
12-20-2005, 08:28 AM
you can't do jack didly to kids. the only time you're allowed to really touch them is when they are in need of medical first aid, or when breaking up a fight

Merlin
12-20-2005, 08:41 AM
You don't have to be physical to bring order and discipline to a school.

Bires
12-20-2005, 09:10 AM
you can't do jack didly to kids. the only time you're allowed to really touch them is when they are in need of medical first aid, or when breaking up a fight

...or anytime they are putting themselves or others at risk.

When such a situation pops up, I look down at my WWJTBVD bracelet. I usually give them the arm bar.
FEEL THE PAIN!



(What Would Jesse The Body Ventura Do?)

Grimm
12-20-2005, 09:24 AM
When educators did have the authority to disipline children it was often abused. Now they don't have that authority and the children are abusing the oppertunity.
Schools shouldn't have to spend a lot of money on security, it should be spent on education. Those students that choose not to avail themselves of that education should be suspended until their parents come in to address the issue. If the parents are unable to resolve the issue then the kids should be expelled. Somebody's got to pick produce and dig ditches. Might as well be the people who choose not to get an education.

Merlin
12-20-2005, 10:30 AM
Excatly. And after a few get kicked out watch how the rest start to fall in line.

ialsohaveadream
12-20-2005, 01:05 PM
"Hey, you wanna skip school today?"
"Yeah! What are we gonna do?"
"Oh, I don't know, I thought we'd just hang out at school or something."
"Ok! So kinda like going to school?"
"Yeah, like that...but skipping!"
:rolleyes:

molecularfire
12-20-2005, 01:14 PM
When educators did have the authority to disipline children it was often abused. Now they don't have that authority and the children are abusing the oppertunity.
Schools shouldn't have to spend a lot of money on security, it should be spent on education. Those students that choose not to avail themselves of that education should be suspended until their parents come in to address the issue. If the parents are unable to resolve the issue then the kids should be expelled. Somebody's got to pick produce and dig ditches. Might as well be the people who choose not to get an education.
Problem is when it comes down to it, they do have the advantage over us in that we care what happens to them, they don't care what happens to us. If we expell too many kids from schools, then we are going to have a population of non-educated, non-trained people some of whom may choose to get jobs digging ditches, some of whom may choose jobs where you can make significantly more money if you're not opposed to working outside of the law. This may make us feel good for now... but unfortunately it will lead to problems that our children will have to deal with.

SnowSurfer
12-21-2005, 06:22 PM
There is alot of kids now who just have no motivation to get good grades. its a vast majority and its just too bad

Grimm
12-21-2005, 06:26 PM
I know, hire the cops fired in New Orleans for the brutal beatings and hall monitors. That should clear the halls, quick like.

clutchy
12-22-2005, 07:20 AM
parents have stopped backing up the public school. When schools discipline a kid it should be upheld by the parents. If the parents choose to undermine the school it enables the kids to also undermine the schools authority.

it's a cycle that will continue until you have total chaos, in schools. The parents that are able have already taken their kids elsewhere.

school needs to be seen as a privilege again, not as a right.... Higher education is getting this way too....

ialsohaveadream
12-22-2005, 05:46 PM
parents have stopped backing up the public school. When schools discipline a kid it should be upheld by the parents. If the parents choose to undermine the school it enables the kids to also undermine the schools authority
Absolutely agreed. If the parent sends the message that the school's discipline doesn't need to be heeded, the parent is doing no favors for their kid or the school.

ufcrusher
12-23-2005, 08:10 AM
The solution is simple.....first offense, shot with rubber bullet from 200 yds. Second offense, shot with rubber bullet from 100yds. Third offense, no more rubber bullets and go point blank. :) Yep....that is the solution. I dont think any of those kids would be skipping after the first "student" got capped in the arse. Of course there may be some liability issues here....so have them all sign releases. Plus, have an actor come in as a transfer student and be the first "victim". Squibs for him of course. :woo:

Sir_Froggy
12-23-2005, 09:39 PM
"Hey, you wanna skip school today?"
"Yeah! What are we gonna do?"
"Oh, I don't know, I thought we'd just hang out at school or something."
"Ok! So kinda like going to school?"
"Yeah, like that...but skipping!"
:rolleyes:

exactly, why would you skip school to go to school? this obviously shows that kids are getting dumber because they aren't going to class.

bachviet
12-23-2005, 10:18 PM
exactly, why would you skip school to go to school? this obviously shows that kids are getting dumber because they aren't going to class.
Because if you are hanging out at the mall or on the street, cops will come and ask for ID. You can't be anywhere except school if you are under 18 during school days.