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kgsilvas
01-11-2006, 04:05 PM
Do Burned CDs Have a Short Life Span? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312;_ylt=AqdWhRlti4c.qvp_QAeBr.ADW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl) John Blau, IDG News Service
Opinions vary on how to preserve data on digital storage media, such as optical CDs and DVDs. Kurt Gerecke, a physicist and storage expert at IBM Deutschland, has his own view: If you want to avoid having to burn new CDs every few years, use magnetic tapes to store all your pictures, videos and songs for a lifetime.

"Unlike pressed original CDs, burned CDs have a relatively short life span of between two to five years, depending on the quality of the CD," Gerecke says. "There are a few things you can do to extend the life of a burned CD, like keeping the disc in a cool, dark space, but not a whole lot more."

The problem is material degradation. Optical discs commonly used for burning, such as CD-R and CD-RW, have a recording surface consisting of a layer of dye that can be modified by heat to store data. The degradation process can result in the data "shifting" on the surface and thus becoming unreadable to the laser beam.

"Many of the cheap burnable CDs available at discount stores have a life span of around two years," Gerecke says. "Some of the better-quality discs offer a longer life span, of a maximum of five years."

Distinguishing high-quality burnable CDs from low-quality discs is difficult, he says, because few vendors use life span as a selling point.

Similar Limitations Hard-drive disks also have their limitations, according to Gerecke. The problem with hard drives, he says, is not so much the disk itself as it is the disk bearing, which has a positioning function similar to a ball bearing. "If the hard drive uses an inexpensive disk bearing, that bearing will wear out faster than a more expensive one," he says. His recommendation: a hard-drive disk with 7200 revolutions per minute.

To overcome the preservation limitations of burnable CDs, Gerecke suggests using magnetic tapes, which, he claims, can have a life span of 30 years to 100 years, depending on their quality. "Even if magnetic tapes are also subject to degradation, they're still the superior storage media," he says.

But he's quick to point out that no storage medium lasts forever and, consequently, consumers and business alike need to have a migration plan to new storage technologies.

"Companies, in particular, need to be constantly looking at new storage technologies and have an archiving strategy that allows them to automatically migrate to new technologies," he says. "Otherwise, they're going to wind up in a dead-end. And for those sitting on terabytes of crucial data, that could be a colossal problem."

DarkFury
01-11-2006, 04:43 PM
Interesting that this didn't end up in the "Hardware" section. :shrug:

Hopefully, if you keep your CDs adequately sheltered from light and heat.... they will last alot longer than that 2 - 5 year estimate.

Grimm
01-11-2006, 05:38 PM
So, what about the lifespan of burnable DVDs? ANy better? Same? Worse?

johnnymk
01-11-2006, 06:26 PM
I don't believe this for a second. I have CD+Gs I burned 7 years ago that are as good as new..Total B.S>!!

Jeffbx
01-12-2006, 05:19 AM
:stupid:

I do believe they don't have a great shelf life, but it's certainly more than 2-5 years. I don't think I've run across ANY dead burned CDs that weren't the result of physical damage (usually scratches), and I've been burning stuff for more than 5 years.

WhiskeyPapa
01-12-2006, 06:15 AM
I also have CD-Rs going back to 1996 and have not had a single disk fail. I may be tempted to believe that CD-Rs made 10 years ago were higher quality than the cheapies made today. That often happens when the technology progresses and manufacturers learn what corners they can cut.

And why am I not surprised that johnnymk has CD+G disks? :D

renovation
01-12-2006, 06:52 AM
i have had some cheap disks in the past do what i call face peel -were the silver record surfice has just fallen off in time :(

Kudos
01-12-2006, 07:00 AM
wow, I have a cd-r from 1998 that I still use to this day packed with mp3s

ialsohaveadream
01-12-2006, 07:11 AM
I have discs that are at least 7 years old still working fine. The ones that don't work are just scratched up.

Merlin
01-12-2006, 07:16 AM
Over time I do tend to get some errors on the discs.

Burzhui
01-12-2006, 07:24 AM
I don't believe this for a second. I have CD+Gs I burned 7 years ago that are as good as new..Total B.S>!!


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jstreet
01-12-2006, 09:10 AM
I remember when CD-Rs were first coming out that there was a discussion of different dye colors and manufacturers and that some were longer-lasting than others. I recall from that discussion a much longer lifespan (upwards of 100 years with the "good" dyes and manufacturers), but perhaps this is a reflection of "they don't build 'em like they used to" syndrome in order to make cheap cheap CD-Rs.

kgsilvas
01-12-2006, 09:12 AM
Maybe Gerecke owns stock in magnetic tapes!

ufcrusher
01-12-2006, 09:27 AM
I know that when the CD-R's first came out, they warned people that the lifespan of the discs were somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-20 years. (yep, big window) I have discs that we burned in 1994-5 that still worked the last time I checked them. Although, I have to admit that I havent listened to some of the music I recorded back then in a LONG LONG LOOONNNNGGG time. For some reason the "party" mixes with the hot hit songs of the mid 90s just dont do it for me anymore.

Grimm
01-12-2006, 10:06 AM
I checked, apparently DVDs are expected to last longer because they have a polycarbonate layer on both sides.

ShawnLee
01-12-2006, 11:21 AM
I checked, apparently DVDs are expected to last longer because they have a polycarbonate layer on both sides.Ooh, so they're like glasses.

But I'm with DF, not to be a forum nazi, but why isn't this in Hardware?

shocky123
01-12-2006, 06:31 PM
Oddly enough, this is coming from an IBM employee.

Coincidently, BlueRay is being released this year.

Also, did anyone mention the BlueRay discs are supposedly incredibly expensive.

Are we trying to make a push towards spending more on 'Quality' discs?
(Quality being whatever price the BlueRay discs end up being for the enduser..)

But for that matter, a lot of this also has to deal with the quality of your burn process. If you initially burn a cd with data that is 20% erroneous, good luck putting it all back together in 10 years.

~Kyle

verve247
01-12-2006, 07:38 PM
Store in a cool and dark place. That's why all of my dvds can be found in the fridge.

zippyjuan
01-12-2006, 09:13 PM
Make sure you warm them up first before playing them or you may have problems due to condensation.

Grimm
01-12-2006, 11:52 PM
Errr.... Fridge is bad. :|

The best way to store CDs and DVDs is in a cool dark dry place. Moisture will damage the dists as it can bbe absorbed by the polycarbonate and reach the reflective layer. The layer can oxidize or seperate, destroying the disk.

The discs should be stored verticaly. This reduces risk of warping over long periods. For long term storage paper inserts should be removed and placed in the outside case sleeve. Paper can hold moisture which can be transfered to the disc.

When cleaning a disc, the first attempt should be with a dry, lint free cloth. Wipe from the center outward. Never wipe around, following the tracks couls leave a small scratch that would make a disc unreadable. A scratch from center to edge isn't that bad. A scratch like a groove in a record can make the disc unreadable because it can obsure enough data that error correction will not work.
Never use a paper product to attempt to wipe off a disc.
If wiping off a disc will not work, rinse it off in cool water. Yes, water is bad, but short exposure, followed by drying the disc and being kept in a dry enviornment will restore the disc. Water that had contaminated the polycarbonate will leave the disc when it is in a dry enviornment. The disc should not be damaged unless it has time to reach the data or reflective layer.

Lehigh98
01-13-2006, 05:45 AM
I know that when the CD-R's first came out, they warned people that the lifespan of the discs were somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-20 years. (yep, big window) I have discs that we burned in 1994-5 that still worked the last time I checked them. Although, I have to admit that I havent listened to some of the music I recorded back then in a LONG LONG LOOONNNNGGG time. For some reason the "party" mixes with the hot hit songs of the mid 90s just dont do it for me anymore.
Yes but its a well established fast that "party mixes" last 6-9x longer than any other type of recorded media.

ray
01-13-2006, 01:23 PM
I used a lot of crap quality CD-Rs back in college. Half of them are dead 8 years later and now in the garbage. I am in the process of backing up the others onto better quality CD-Rs.