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guiseppewv
01-18-2006, 09:58 AM
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The most egregious error was so bad the NFL even admitted the mistake, a blue moon event if there ever was one. In the critical fourth quarter of the Pittsburgh Steelers-Indianapolis Colts game, the Steelers' Troy Polamalu clearly intercepted Peyton Manning (and then recovered his own fumble) in a play that would have all but iced the game.

The play was called correctly on the field, but it went to replay for review. Even the most diehard Colts fan had to watch the replays and see it was an interception. There was no question. No debate. And yet, when referee Pete Morelli emerged from under that silly, replay-viewing tent, he – to the shock of everyone – overturned the call.

"The replay review should have upheld the call on the field that it was a catch and fumble," said Mike Pereira, the league's vice president of officiating.

Now, the NFL doesn't want to admit that some of its popularity stems from the fact there is considerable money bet on the games. None of it was mine, so I could sit back and just be baffled. Others were certainly wondering if a fix was in, either to help the Colts try to cover or, as conspiracy theorists love, to keep popular Indy in the playoffs.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AihbCkUQgiwgsbVTL4hZ40BDubYF?slug=dw-referees011706&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Glad they finally came out and admitted that they were wrong. :thumb:

From nfl.com -




NEW YORK (Jan. 16, 2006) -- The NFL said the referee made a mistake: Troy Polamalu caught the ball.

The league acknowledged that referee Pete Morelli erred when he overturned on replay Polamalu's interception of a Peyton Manning pass in the playoff game between Pittsburgh and Indianapolis.

Mike Pereira, the league's vice president of officiating, said in a statement that Morelli should have upheld the call, made with 5:26 left in Pittsburgh's win over the Colts.

After the reversal, the Colts went on to score a touchdown and a two-point conversion, cutting the Steelers' 21-10 lead to 21-18. That led to a wild final few minutes, and Pittsburgh clinched its win only when the Colts' Mike Vanderjagt missed a 46-yard field-goal attempt.

On the play, Polamalu made a diving catch of Manning's pass, tumbled with it in his hands and got up to run. When he did, he fumbled the ball, then recovered. Colts coach Tony Dungy challenged and Morelli ruled Polamalu had not completed the catch.

About a dozen TV and scoreboard replays indicated otherwise. Had the call stood, the Steelers would have had the ball at their own 48 with an 11-point lead.

"The definition of a catch -- or in this case an interception -- states that in the process of making a catch a player must maintain possession of the ball after he contacts the ground," Pereira said.

"The initial call on the field was that Troy Polamalu intercepted the pass because he maintained possession of the ball after hitting the ground. The replay showed that Polamalu had rolled over and was rising to his feet when the ball came loose. He maintained possession long enough to establish a catch. Therefore, the replay review should have upheld the call on the field that it was a catch and fumble.

"The rule regarding the performing of an act common to the game applies when there is contact with a defensive player and the ball comes loose, which did not happen here."

The NFL almost never makes public the result of its reviews, although it did three years ago, when Pereira said officials should have called pass interference against San Francisco on the final play of a wild-card game with the New York Giants. The correct call would have given New York a second chance to kick a game-winning field goal in a 39-38 loss.

After the game, Pittsburgh linebacker Joey Porter said of the ruling:

"I know they wanted Indy to win this game; the whole world loves Peyton Manning. But come on, man, don't take the game away from us like that."

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello had no comment on Porter's statement.

In the past, players who have made such statements have been subject to fines.


LINK (http://www.superbowl.com/news/story/9168866)

zenbooty
01-18-2006, 10:04 AM
The refs got it SO wrong that the NFL has already come out and said they're going to cut Joey Porter some slack and NOT fine him for his comments after the game.

When does that ever happen?

VTGreg
01-18-2006, 11:36 AM
The refs got it SO wrong that the NFL has already come out and said they're going to cut Joey Porter some slack and NOT fine him for his comments after the game.

When does that ever happen?

I'm really surprised that he didn't get fined. It is one thing to vent that the officials blew a call. It's something completely different when you accuse an official of intentionally fixing a game, which is a crime.

I'm sure there would have been an uproar if Porter had been fined but after his comments, he had it coming to him.

guiseppewv
01-18-2006, 01:48 PM
They would have been justified if they fined him but not fining him at least does not make their error on the call even worse.

VTGreg
01-18-2006, 02:47 PM
They would have been justified if they fined him but not fining him at least does not make their error on the call even worse.

I don't think they should have fined him for publicly commenting about a very bad call from an official. I think they should have fined him for blatantly stating that he thought the referee was trying to fix the game.

Grimm
01-18-2006, 02:53 PM
I don't think they should have fined him for publicly commenting about a very bad call from an official. I think they should have fined him for blatantly stating that he thought the referee was trying to fix the game.
Perhaps the NFL agreed and does suspect the ref of trying to fix the game... and nobody even knew it was broken. :P

guiseppewv
01-18-2006, 06:16 PM
I don't think they should have fined him for publicly commenting about a very bad call from an official. I think they should have fined him for blatantly stating that he thought the referee was trying to fix the game.


Although I thought the comment was ludicrious if the bad call on the review would not have been made he wouldn't have made the comment. Nobody ever said the fb players are the sharpest knifes in the drawer or the most logical.


Perhaps the NFL agreed and does suspect the ref of trying to fix the game... and nobody even knew it was broken. :P

:D You crack me up sometimes. :heh:

ialsohaveadream
01-18-2006, 07:24 PM
I don't think they should have fined him for publicly commenting about a very bad call from an official. I think they should have fined him for blatantly stating that he thought the referee was trying to fix the game.
:stupid: Regardless of how bad the call was, this isn't the NBA. David Stern isn't running the show here. The refs made a bad call, but they weren't trying to fix the game.

VTGreg
01-19-2006, 04:43 AM
Although I thought the comment was ludicrious if the bad call on the review would not have been made he wouldn't have made the comment.

I understand your point. However, using that logic should Ron Artest not have been suspended for setting off the brawl in Detroit because a Detroit fan started it by throwing the cup of ice at him? Just because an error was made does not entitle the offended party to do anything they please.

I think the NFL losing a lot of credibility by not fining Porter. The NFL threatened to fine Peyton Manning if he wore black high tops in honor of Johnny Unitas when he passed away. They fined Clinton Portis $20,000 this year for wearing socks different from his teammates (granted the fine was partly due to the fact Portis was a repeat offender).

I just don't understand how the league doesn't fine Porter when he blatantly accuses the official of trying to fix the game. I realize that Porter isn't the brightest light bulb but he still needs to be accountable for his actions.

guiseppewv
01-19-2006, 08:07 AM
I understand your point. However, using that logic should Ron Artest not have been suspended for setting off the brawl in Detroit because a Detroit fan started it by throwing the cup of ice at him? Just because an error was made does not entitle the offended party to do anything they please.

I think the NFL losing a lot of credibility by not fining Porter. The NFL threatened to fine Peyton Manning if he wore black high tops in honor of Johnny Unitas when he passed away. They fined Clinton Portis $20,000 this year for wearing socks different from his teammates (granted the fine was partly due to the fact Portis was a repeat offender).

I just don't understand how the league doesn't fine Porter when he blatantly accuses the official of trying to fix the game. I realize that Porter isn't the brightest light bulb but he still needs to be accountable for his actions.

What Ron Artest did was illegal and against NBA policy. What Porter did was shoot off at the mouth which eventhough it was stupid it was not illegal.. Comparing the two is a stretch at best.

I never said that the league shouldn't fine Porter, as a matter of fact, I stated that they would be justified if they did fine him. :shrug:

zenbooty
01-19-2006, 09:38 AM
I understand your point. However, using that logic should Ron Artest not have been suspended for setting off the brawl in Detroit because a Detroit fan started it by throwing the cup of ice at him? Just because an error was made does not entitle the offended party to do anything they please.As Grimm has mentioned, there is a world of difference between shooting your mouth off and jumping in the stands to start a confrontation/altercation that nearly leads to a riot situation.


I think the NFL losing a lot of credibility by not fining Porter. The NFL threatened to fine Peyton Manning if he wore black high tops in honor of Johnny Unitas when he passed away. They fined Clinton Portis $20,000 this year for wearing socks different from his teammates (granted the fine was partly due to the fact Portis was a repeat offender). I completely disagree. The NFL's was once commended for its adherence to tradition and the tow-the-line culture that dominates it. But lately it has been getting razzed for that reputation, and criticised for being petty and authoritative (as in the severe fines for dress code misconduct). Fining Joey Porter for such a heavy outburst might not have exacerbated that, but not fining him won't hurt them in the current climate.


I just don't understand how the league doesn't fine Porter when he blatantly accuses the official of trying to fix the game. I realize that Porter isn't the brightest light bulb but he still needs to be accountable for his actions.Because the NFL is embarrassed that the ref goofed such an obvious call, and because the refs in general are are not looking good after this weekend. They want this to go away, as quickly as possible. Fining Porter will be seen as one more head-in-the-sand manuever by a public and fan base becoming more and more critical with how things are being run, and will just protract and inflame the issue.

VTGreg
01-19-2006, 10:06 AM
As Grimm has mentioned, there is a world of difference between shooting your mouth off and jumping in the stands to start a confrontation/altercation that nearly leads to a riot situation.

I was just using the logic that someone shouldn't be punished for B because if A hadn't happened then B wouldn't have happened. That was the logic that was used in the previous post.



Because the NFL is embarrassed that the ref goofed such an obvious call, and because the refs in general are are not looking good after this weekend. They want this to go away, as quickly as possible. Fining Porter will be seen as one more head-in-the-sand manuever by a public and fan base becoming more and more critical with how things are being run, and will just protract and inflame the issue.

I agree that fining Porter would have prolonged the exposure of this issue and that would have been bad for NFL PR because it would have continued the offiicial bashing. However, just as you pointed out the difference between the Artest incident and Porter's statements, there is a huge difference between complaining about officiating and explicitly stating that the officials fixed the game. As I'm sure you know, fixing a game is also a crime.

zenbooty
01-19-2006, 12:07 PM
I agree that fining Porter would have prolonged the exposure of this issue and that would have been bad for NFL PR because it would have continued the offiicial bashing. However, just as you pointed out the difference between the Artest incident and Porter's statements, there is a huge difference between complaining about officiating and explicitly stating that the officials fixed the game. As I'm sure you know, fixing a game is also a crime.Frankly, I don't see what the big difference is. Its angry words vs. angry words. One's an accusation of incompetence, while the other is an accusation of conspiracy. I don't think there is a serious question in the public eye of whether the NFL is on the up and up (unlike the NBA lately, it seems), so Porter's accusations don't carry the same kind of weight.

guiseppewv
01-19-2006, 03:02 PM
Someone threw a rock through Pete Morelli's window in Stockton, Calif., on Sunday after the NFL official's crew made a controversial call in the Steelers' win at Indianapolis.

During the game, an apparent interception by Troy Polamalu was reversed on replay, allowing the Colts to score their second touchdown during a frantic but failed rally in the fourth quarter. The NFL issued a statement Monday that the interception should have stood.

"It's kinda suspicious because of its close proximity to the game, but he doesn't know if it was related to his duties as a referee, his job as a high school principal or if it was a random act of mischief," Stockton police Lt. Thomas Wells told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review on Wednesday.

Morelli, a high school principal, and his wife were upstairs getting ready for bed when they heard a loud crash and ran downstairs where they found broken glass and a rock, Wells told the paper.

Joey Porter, a Pro Bowl selection and one of the Steelers' co-captains, criticized the crew repeatedly during a series of postgame interviews following a 21-18 win in the AFC divisional round. Among other comments, Porter said, "The whole world wanted Indy to win so bad, they were going to do whatever they had to do."

NFL spokesman Steve Alic said there would be no fine for the remarks.

During his news conference Tuesday, Steelers coach Bill Cowher called Porter's remarks "ridiculous" and said, "Our officials are doing the very best that they can do."


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2298135

Even if he did make a very blatantly bad call this isn't right. :disa:

Grimm
01-19-2006, 03:33 PM
He should just be happy he isn't a soccer reff. They kill them for things like this.

molecularfire
01-19-2006, 06:27 PM
He should just be happy he isn't a soccer reff. They kill them for things like this.
Yeah, they would've killed him, his family, Peyton Manning (for being ther opposing team's player), and Polamalu (for fumbling the ball after the interception)... you don't even wanna know what Indy fans would've done to Vanderjet... :thud:

VTGreg
01-20-2006, 04:47 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2298135

Even if he did make a very blatantly bad call this isn't right. :disa:

Seriously, it's a football game.