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KIISQueen
01-26-2006, 03:15 PM
LAKE BUTLER, Florida (CNN) -- News of a crash in which seven children perished so upset their grandfather that he had a massive heart attack and died, the children's mother said.

"I lost my daddy tonight," Barbara Mann said Wednesday. "My dad died of a massive heart attack tonight over all this. He lost all seven of his grandkids ... I can't deal with this."

William Scott, who was 62, The Associated Press reported, died at his home. (Watch as news of the deaths proved to be unbearable -- 1:18)

Alvin Wilkerson, 32, of Jacksonville, Florida, has been identified as the driver of the tractor-trailer which plowed into the children's car near Gainesville, Florida, Wednesday. The impact caused the car to slam into the rear of a school bus that had stopped to let children off.

The car burst into flames, killing all the children inside, Lt. Mike Burroughs of the Florida Highway Patrol said. (Full story)

They have been identified as: Cynthia Nicole Mann and Elizabeth Mann, both 15; Ashley Keen and Johnny Mann, both 13; Miranda Finn, 9; Heaven Mann, 3; and Anthony Lamb, 20 months.

All were adopted foster children, except for Anthony, who was in the process of being adopted, Burroughs said.

Ashley and Miranda were also cousins.

At the wheel was Cynthia Mann, who had a learner's permit. Under Florida law, it is illegal for a 15-year-old to drive without an adult. But Lt. Bill Leeper of the Florida Highway Patrol said that was not relevant to the crash.

"There are some questions we're going to need answered ... but those are questions we'll look at later," Leeper said. "Right now everything has to do with the truck."

Trucker had driving citations
Wilkerson has been hospitalized and is medicated, police said.

Initial estimates show Wilkerson's truck traveling between 50 mph and 65 mph when it struck the Manns' car, police said.

The tractor-trailer left no skid marks, police told CNN Thursday. But there were marks on the road indicating Wilkerson veered away only after the initial impact.

"Basically he just wasn't paying attention, couldn't slow down in time and just ran into the back of the other vehicle," Leeper said.

Wilkerson was cited in 2000 and 2001 for operating a vehicle in unsafe conditions and also for driving on a suspended or revoked license in 2000.

'Ready to go to church'
Cynthia Mann's aunt said the girl had just dropped off another child and was taking the rest of the children home "to get ready to go to church."

"It's my understanding she did not cause the accident," Tina Mann said of her niece. "The same thing would have happened had there been an adult in the car with her. We'd just have one more death in the family."

Three of the nine children aboard the bus were seriously injured and transported by helicopter to hospitals. None of the students' injuries were life-threatening, Leeper said.

A spokeswoman for Shands Hospital in Gainesville said eight patients were transported, ages 5 to 16. Two were in critical condition; three in serious condition, Betsy Miller said.

The driver of the bus was also injured, but her condition wasn't immediately known.

Meanwhile, the small Florida community where the victims lived reeled in shock.

A spokesman for the family, Scott Fisher, a minister, thanked the sheriff's department, rescuers and the public for an "outpouring of support."

"The family, of course, is deeply in grief," he said. "They have lost their children.

"We just cry with them, pray with them. And we let them know that this community is strong, that we are all here, that they're not alone. That it's not just this community, but the whole nation mourns with them," he said. "Tell them that maybe the children aren't really ours. They're God's, and He just called them home."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/26/bus.crash/index.html

clutchy
01-26-2006, 03:42 PM
holy hell, absolute family devastation...

esme
01-26-2006, 03:43 PM
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omg!!! .....:eek2: now that sucks

Jenny
01-26-2006, 03:45 PM
That truck driver deserves to get his license permanently taken away and put in jail. And someone in jail should rough him up and take him out permanently as well. Bastard.

RIVERWIDOW
01-26-2006, 03:55 PM
That truck driver deserves to get his license permanently taken away and put in jail. And someone in jail should rough him up and take him out permanently as well. Bastard.

I totally agree and so does Winnie-the- Pooh. This is what you get when judges go soft on piss poor drivers. :angry: :cry:

coleslaw
01-26-2006, 04:00 PM
A truly sad story. My heart goes out to the remaining family members.

LPMiller
01-26-2006, 05:10 PM
I'll agree that the fact that the girl was underage is irrelevent to the crash, but I damn well want to know why she was driving, with all those kids, in the first place.

Grimm
01-26-2006, 05:35 PM
I'll agree that the fact that the girl was underage is irrelevent to the crash, but I damn well want to know why she was driving, with all those kids, in the first place.
You know, maybe she shouldn't have been driving. But the punishment of losing all seven of your children is enough.

The trucker who ran into them is going to be facing seven counts of vehicular manslaughter. If the judge and jury is feeling particulary vindictive that is enough to put him away for the rest of his life. If he didn't have a reccord that should have excluded him from driving a rig in the first place, then he would probably get off fairly lightly. But with his reccord of driving mistakes, people will take the view that he shouldn't have been driving a rig in the first place, they won't be inclined to be lenient.

The company that employed the driver is going to get hammered.

gwilks98
01-26-2006, 07:08 PM
I'll agree that the fact that the girl was underage is irrelevent to the crash, but I damn well want to know why she was driving, with all those kids, in the first place.

I don't know. After seeing my dad get hurt badly by getting rear ended, I always check my rear view when I'm stopped or stopping. I don't know that a 15 year old has enough experience to keep that kind of awareness, especially with 6 kids in the car.
Had I seen a truck coming my way, i would have veered the car off the road, but that's only going to cause him to hit the school bus, involving more deaths. Seems like a damned if you do/don't scenario. Just a sucky situation all around. Wow.

Sirrich3
01-26-2006, 07:22 PM
A very sad and depressing incident!

Grimm
01-26-2006, 09:05 PM
I don't know. After seeing my dad get hurt badly by getting rear ended, I always check my rear view when I'm stopped or stopping. I don't know that a 15 year old has enough experience to keep that kind of awareness, especially with 6 kids in the car.
Had I seen a truck coming my way, i would have veered the car off the road, but that's only going to cause him to hit the school bus, involving more deaths. Seems like a damned if you do/don't scenario. Just a sucky situation all around. Wow.
The cops reviewed it and determined her inexperience had nothing to do with the crash. If she had been an experienced driver the exact same thing would have happened.

Despite your 20/20 hindsight, if you had been driving that car you would have died too. Even if you were watching your rear view mirror, by the time you determined you were in trouble you would have been unable to move that fully loaded family vehical out of the way in time.

bachviet
01-26-2006, 09:28 PM
Wow that's just horrible. My prayers are with the family./

LPMiller
01-27-2006, 04:51 AM
I don't know. After seeing my dad get hurt badly by getting rear ended, I always check my rear view when I'm stopped or stopping. I don't know that a 15 year old has enough experience to keep that kind of awareness, especially with 6 kids in the car.
Had I seen a truck coming my way, i would have veered the car off the road, but that's only going to cause him to hit the school bus, involving more deaths. Seems like a damned if you do/don't scenario. Just a sucky situation all around. Wow.


She was hit at over 50 miles an hour, possibly higher. Plus she was at a dead stop. There was nothing she could have done. I've been rear ended too, and you pretty much have enough time to tense up.

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Grimm, I ain't talking about punishment. I"ll even agree, I"m not sure what you could do to a person that would be worse than what happened. But I still want to know what in hell those people were thinking.

riskykougra
01-27-2006, 05:10 AM
That is a sad, sad story. I really dont know what I would do if anything ever happened to any of my kids never mind all of them. I hope the mother gets alot of support she is going to need it.

gwilks98
01-27-2006, 06:38 AM
The cops reviewed it and determined her inexperience had nothing to do with the crash. If she had been an experienced driver the exact same thing would have happened.


They said that a 15 year old driving was not relevant to the crash. I don't draw the same conclusion from that statement.
" interpret it as "the accident was in no way her fault, so the fact that she was driving illegally had no bearing."

I'm not suggesting the accident is in her fault either.

Also, I hadn't thought about how it was a fully loaded family vehicle. I'm used to driving myself, so I forget it's harder to move a car/minivan loaded down.

esme
01-27-2006, 09:59 AM
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060127/060127_fatalcrash_vmed_6a.widec.jpg
Nicky Mann, top left, Elizabeth Mann, top right, Johnny Mann, center, and Heaven Mann, shown in an undated family photograph, are four of the seven children killed in a car accident Wednesday near Lake Butler, Fla.

KIISQueen
01-27-2006, 11:14 AM
My heart goes out to the family.