Idiot Snatches A 5yr Olds Necklace

[KIISQueen]

HUNTINGTON PARK - Police arrested a man for investigation of yanking a gold chain from the neck of a 5-year-old girl as she waited outside a market where her mother was shopping.

The man, along with a woman who allegedly drove the getaway car, were arrested Friday, a day after detectives released a surveillance videotape of the crime, Sgt. John Navarrette said Monday. Both were booked for investigation of robbery, he said.

Navarrette declined to release the names of the man and woman or details of their arrests until a news conference scheduled for Tuesday.

The victim, whose name has been withheld, suffered a six- to eight-inch cut on the back of her neck in the Jan. 26 robbery.

The video shows the girl walking out of the market and sitting next to a pay phone by the store's door.

The girl was seated for less than a minute when a tan or gold Lexus pulled up in front of the store, a man jumped out from the passenger side, approached the girl and ripped the jewelry off her neck, then walked back to the car and left.

Huntington Park is a suburb south of downtown Los Angeles.

http://www.abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=3882787

[clutchy]

ridiculous comes to mind...

what is a 5 yr. doing with a gold chain....

[DarkFury]

ridiculous comes to mind...

what is a 5 yr. doing with a gold chain....

Maybe her daddy is a rapper :D

[clutchy]

Maybe her daddy is a rapper :D


maybe her daddy should look at what his lifestyle has done to his daughter...:bonk:

[DarkFury]

maybe her daddy should look at what his lifestyle has done to his daughter...:bonk:
C'mon now Clutch...

You are making a statement based on an assumption. Why even go there?

[Cubsfan]

maybe her daddy should look at what his lifestyle has done to his daughter...:bonk:
Huh? You'd blame the girl for having a gold necklace? What if it was her grandmother's? This is just an odd statement...

[clutchy]

C'mon now Clutch...

You are making a statement based on an assumption. Why even go there?


I was just following up with what you said man. more joking than anything, but a critique on the rap culture none the less.

assumption based on assumption = ridiculous comment. :shifty:

[cheapie]

little girls wear jewelry all of the time. nobody said it was a big caddy emblem hanging from a big rope of gold. :rolleyes:

[DarkFury]

I was just following up with what you said man. more joking than anything, but a critique on the rap culture none the less.

assumption based on assumption = ridiculous comment. :shifty:
Basically you made your own "statement" there... and the tone of your reply didn't infer any "joking".

I just gave a potential answer to your question... it was not really up for "discussion" in line with the thread topic as given, hence my reply of "why go there?".

[Jenny]

lol Actually, I found clutchy's response to DF's comment about her daddy being a rapper funny. I took it as joking in response to DF's rapper comment, which was also a joke.

Lighten up people, sheesh.

The bigger question is, what was the 5 year old doing outside the supermarket by herself in the first place while her mother was inside shopping? We sure as hell didn't let Josh go outside by himself while we were inside shopping. 30 seconds is long enough for someone to grab the girl instead of the necklace. The family should count their blessings. :(

[zero2dash]

The girl was seated for less than a minute when a tan or gold Lexus pulled up in front of the store, a man jumped out from the passenger side, approached the girl and ripped the jewelry off her neck, then walked back to the car and left.

Obviously then the perpetrators knew the girl and/or knew she had the necklace on, if all they did was drive up, jump out, snatch it, and leave. It would look differently if they were walking down the street or leaving the store and then just decided to take it, but this looks like a clear cut example of something that was planned.

WTF...:disa: a little kid, man...:shifty:

[guiseppewv]

Huh? You'd blame the girl for having a gold necklace? What if it was her grandmother's? This is just an odd statement...

:stupid:

[nickel]

The bigger question is, what was the 5 year old doing outside the supermarket by herself in the first place while her mother was inside shopping? We sure as hell didn't let Josh go outside by himself while we were inside shopping. 30 seconds is long enough for someone to grab the girl instead of the necklace. The family should count their blessings. :(
:agree:

and how did the guy know it was a real gold necklace and that it had any value by just glancing at the little girl from the street?

[mcs328]

Wow that's low. I like to see what the punishment is. 3-5 years?

[Grimm]

Wow that's low. I like to see what the punishment is. 3-5 years?
Negitive Ghost Rider.

What you have here is a felonious assault which resulted in bodily injury to a minor. That's Assault and Battery on a minor.
Someone cut a child out of greed.

For robbery, the law states they can get 3, 4, or 6 years. The assault and battery carry 6 months each. And since the victim is under 14 years of age, the sentece is subject to "sentence enhancement" of 1 year.
A judge that was inclined to do so could sentence the criminal to:
6 years +1 year for robbery
6 months + 1 year for assault
6 months + 1 year for battery

Sentances consecutive would mean 10 years, if the judge was so inclined.

I would bet on closer to 5 to 7.

[bachviet]

Wow that's low. I like to see what the punishment is. 3-5 years?
:stupid:

That's really low.

[MikeD]

I was just following up with what you said man. more joking than anything, but a critique on the rap culture none the less.

assumption based on assumption = ridiculous comment. :shifty:

Nah, if her dad was a rapper there probably would have been shots fired. :hehehmm: She only got her necklace snatched...

[Markel]

I wish that Grimm could be the jury foreman on this one. :hihi:

[welfareloser]

anyone else going to comment on the fact that the asshat jumped out of a LEXUS?!?!?!?

had to be for the purpose of hurting the girl and her family, not the necklace itself... the gas to do the crime probly cost more than the (now broken) necklace will hock for...


and every hispanic kid i know owns a little gold chain by the age of 3. why not? it's not like it costs much. white people buy their kids $200 worth of baby einstein crap... dress them in baby gap... so it's not like there's a difference in excess, or uselessness of the accoutrement. :shrug:

[MikeD]

and every hispanic kid i know owns a little gold chain by the age of 3. why not? it's not like it costs much.

Both of my children are 1/2 hispanic. Neither owns a gold chain. Does that count?


white people buy their kids $200 worth of baby einstein crap...

Heh, I'll take educating my child over a gold necklace any day!

Yeah, there are white folks who blow $$$ on their kids. There are also black folks, asian folks...all different colors of the rainbow.

Comparing buying a necklace to something educational, though? I just don't see it...:shrug:

[Grimm]

Comparing buying a necklace to something educational, though? I just don't see it...:shrug:
As part of a lesson to teach a child responsability it could be valuable.

[MikeD]

As part of a lesson to teach a child responsability it could be valuable.

You've gotta be kidding me. I've seen reaches before, but you've just hit the jackpot.

Do you have kids? Hope you're not teaching them that way. You going to have some? Leave that method out of the playbook...

[Burzhui]

...almost as easy as stealing candy from a baby

[Grimm]

You've gotta be kidding me. I've seen reaches before, but you've just hit the jackpot.

Do you have kids? Hope you're not teaching them that way. You going to have some? Leave that method out of the playbook...
Well, I'm sorry that you are entirely closed to the idea of teaching by doing. My parents raised me by making me more and more responsible for things. By 12 I was able to balance a check book, manage my money, and understand interest rates. I was given things to save, including a gold coin worth significantly more than a child should generaly have on hand. (At one point I told my parents that I wanted to sell it because the gold value was so high. They said no... and then a few years later they admitted I was right.)

An inexpensive gold chain, they aren't expensive at all, is a good way to give responsability to a child. It's not something that's easy to lose, it has value, children realise it has value, it is gold after all. But the value isn't so high that it's a real risk of losing something significant. It gives an understanding of how responsible the child is.

It's a very good tool. I still have the coin. It helped teach me to be responsible. That and many other things.
Today we give children hundreds of toys, all cheap and eventialy thrown away. By doing so we teach children to use things and then throw them away. We fail to teach them the differnce between things we should save/conserve and things that are really just junk.

When I do have kids, I will teach them the same way. I will not drown them in toys. I will encourage creative activities. I will hold them responsible for their actions. I will teach them responsability and accountability. I will not be some mainiac about it, but I will encourage it by giving my children the opertunity to be responsible. Coddling them and never giving them a chance to prove themselves results in the brats who think everything in the world is therirs. My kids will know that they need to earn their kudos.

[MikeD]

snip

Sounds good to me. You sound like you've got a plan, and a good one at that, which is more than can be said for most parents.

However, we're talking about a 3 year old here. Asking a 3 year old to realize the value of a gold chain may be asking a bit much. You may see this yourself when your first child reaches this age. They may understand, but then again they may not. I'm banking that most 3 year olds don't.

The original comment was that giving a 3 year old a gold chain vs. Baby Einsten was a bad idea. I stick by that. Your diatribe about proper parenting, while good, does nothing to change my point.

Giving a 3 year old a gold chain (for educational purposes) is questionable at best. Giving them a set of Baby Einstein DVD's is much more likely to be beneficial to the child.

With that said, I urge you to follow your plan in how you raise your children. It sounds pretty solid. I'll continue to follow mine, and would eagerly stack my children's behavior and personal responsibility up against just about anyone else's.

[bachviet]

Should I worry about someone who is going to rip the gold earings from my 17th months baby?

Most Asians have their kids wearing necklaces at an early age (2-3). :shrug: Usually necklaces are worn with religious items like crosses, Jesus, Mary, or Buddha figurines.

[welfareloser]

You've gotta be kidding me. I've seen reaches before, but you've just hit the jackpot.

Do you have kids? Hope you're not teaching them that way. You going to have some? Leave that method out of the playbook...

it's not a reach at all. look, i just get tired of, everytime some horror story involving kids gets posted here, a host of people play judge and jury to the parents over the strangest freakin details... talk about REACHING. it's like blaming a rape victim for a short skirt.

for the record, my kids are also part hispanic. they also do not have chains. i wouldn't give my kids a gold chain, because it keeps my life simpler. but that's just me. i don't think people who DO put necklaces on them are in any way wrong.

here's some support for the unfortunately childless grimm, so you can't continue to dismiss his words: i think it's a perfectly good idea to put a $20 gold chain on a three year old and tell him it cost lots of money, it's special, be careful with it. that's not a reach AT ALL. even the lamest parenting magazines advocate teaching kids a bit about money by that age... apparently, they should even have allowances. so don't call it a reach. it's not.

and my point with baby einstein is this: it ain't the LEAST FREAKIN BIT educational. the hype scares parents into buying it so their kdis will go to harvard. it's crap. i have yet to see a kid even enjoy the crap. it's a status symbol. it's a parenting attention-whore gimmick. "look at me, *i* bought my kids baby einstein, so *i'm* a good parent!"

watching you vacuum is more educational, but you didn't have to spend $29.99 per dvd on it, so it's not a status symbol. tv: not educational. i think calling a video "educational" is the biggest reach in this thread, hands down.... maybe if you live in a dark box it is, but when any object within the baby's reach is 100x more educational...

gold chain: much more educational than baby einstein videos. as is carpet. or junk mail. or a dead houseplant. i'm not being sarcastic. this is simple fact.

end rant.

[MikeD]

gold chain: much more educational than baby einstein videos. as is carpet. or junk mail. or a dead houseplant. i'm not being sarcastic. this is simple fact.

end rant.

Nice rant. We're still at gold neckace is more educational than Baby Einsten for a 3 year old. :eek3:

BTW, you obviously didn't read my post commending Grimm on how thorough and thought-out his ideas on parenting are. You, not read everything? Imagine that...

I'll go ahead and tell my kids now to prepare to support yours in the future.

Good luck...

[Grimm]

we're talking about a 3 year old here.
No, we are talking about a 5 year old. That's a lot of difference.
I personaly wouldn't give a 5 year old a gold chain. But I can see a parent with different values than mine to do so to teach responsability. I would give them something nicer than average and make sure they understood that it was special and that they were expected to take special care of it. I would pay attention to how the child treated to object and discuss that behavior with the child.
I don't expect to be entirely sucessful with a 5 year old. But the idea is to lay the groundwork for when the child gets older. You gotta start somewhere.

gold chain: much more educational than baby einstein videos. as is carpet. or junk mail. or a dead houseplant.
Ooooh! A houseplant, I like that idea. teach the child how to rater and care for a housplant and make it their responsability. It would have to be something pretty much indestructable to start off with though...


/edit tpyo

[MikeD]

No, we are talking about a 5 year old. That's a lot of difference.

My bad for botching that one. Not sure why I took the girl back two years...maybe it's because my son is 3 (turns 4 next month).

Thanks for the clarification.


EDIT: Actually, I see why...

and every hispanic kid i know owns a little gold chain by the age of 3.

That's where I got it...

[welfareloser]

Nice rant. We're still at gold neckace is more educational than Baby Einsten for a 3 year old. :eek3:

BTW, you obviously didn't read my post commending Grimm on how thorough and thought-out his ideas on parenting are. You, not read everything? Imagine that...

I'll go ahead and tell my kids now to prepare to support yours in the future.

Good luck...

i did read it... i didn't have anything to say about it :shrug: you were still dismissing his opinion that the necklace is not educational. i'm backing him up.

that shot at my kids was really, really awful.

find a pediatrician that disagrees with me on the baby einstein thing, dude. i'm really not being wacky here. the educational value of baby einstein is about on par with... carpet pile.

"we're still at gold neckace is more educational than Baby Einsten" because i made a comparison that you are calling invalid... i don't see why you're making fun of me for offering a further discussion of why i think it is valid.

the point i was trying to get across is that you took issue with the girl having the necklace in the first place. i'm trying to show that lots of people parent in lots of different ways, and most of em are pretty durned good even if they don't resemble much the way you would do things.

in short: the necklace was not the problem; the THIEF was the problem. the necklace is no more ridiculous than any of 100 other things.

[welfareloser]

I ... would eagerly stack my children's behavior and personal responsibility up against just about anyone else's.

that's exactly the problem.

parenting isn't a competition.

you issued a very negative judgement of a strange little thing... the girl had a necklace. so several people point out that lots of people do it, that it even has a potential lesson about responsibility and monetary value in it... and your response includes "oh yeah, well i bet my kids could beat your kids in a manners competition!" so... all i'm saying is... maybe the intense scrutiny of minor technique differences in parenting, with its accompanying negative judgements... isn't the best thing. thassall.

we're all in this together. we're all trying to raise the next generation. most of us are doing a pretty good job. i was just trying to get you to take a step back and maybe see that it's kinda awful to be throwing around loaded comments like "well, what was she doing with a necklace ANYWAY?" and then not budging a bit when it's pointed out that it is common and perhaps even educational... instead resorting to "my kids are the best, so there!" i'm sure you're doing a great job... it'd just be nice if you could see that so are lots of other people... here's the important part: EVEN WHEN SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS INVOLVING THEIR KIDS. for example. my friend's kid fell down the stairs a few weeks ago. it didn't make me say "well, why weren't you WATCHING him?"

oh, and my kids could totally beat yours in a spelling bee :P

[Lolita]

I don't want to get involved in this debate but I'd like to defend the educational value of baby einstein - I haven't taken a poll among pediatricians, but I've observed my 1.5 year old niece and not only does she love the movies but she interacts with them very well such as making the proper animal sounds for the animal movies and dancing to music for the musical ones, etc. Although it’s not a replacement for books, etc, it definitely doesn’t hurt and from what I’ve seen is better than anything else you can have them watch on tv (at least at that age)

[MikeD]

that's exactly the problem.

parenting isn't a competition.

I wasn't trying to make it one. While it could be interpreted that way, and you did, I was simply saying that I have complete confidence in my parenting methods.


you issued a very negative judgement of a strange little thing... the girl had a necklace. so several people point out that lots of people do it, that it even has a potential lesson about responsibility and monetary value in it... and your response includes "oh yeah, well i bet my kids could beat your kids in a manners competition!" so... all i'm saying is... maybe the intense scrutiny of minor technique differences in parenting, with its accompanying negative judgements... isn't the best thing. thassall.

Hey, we all see parenting techniques as right or wrong. You (and others) see the gold chain as acceptable; I (and others) do not. My point to you remains, and that is that Baby Einstein is a better thing to give your child than a gold chain. If we don't agree on that, well...that's understandable.


we're all in this together. we're all trying to raise the next generation. most of us are doing a pretty good job. i was just trying to get you to take a step back and maybe see that it's kinda awful to be throwing around loaded comments like "well, what was she doing with a necklace ANYWAY?" and then not budging a bit when it's pointed out that it is common and perhaps even educational... instead resorting to "my kids are the best, so there!" i'm sure you're doing a great job... it'd just be nice if you could see that so are lots of other people... here's the important part: EVEN WHEN SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS INVOLVING THEIR KIDS. for example. my friend's kid fell down the stairs a few weeks ago. it didn't make me say "well, why weren't you WATCHING him?"

I understand your reasoning (how you arrived at your viewpoint), but don't agree with it. And you're right in that their is more than one way to raise kids. I think there are underlying issues here (such as raising materialistic children, outside influences on our children, etc), but they're not being discusssed here. I go back to my disagreement with you and the particular point it was about, and it's obvious that we just feel differently.


oh, and my kids could totally beat yours in a spelling bee :P

Yeah, but mine are better looking and are better athletes...you know, the important stuff. ;)

[esme]

i'm just going to sneak in and give my 2cents on this .....

each child is different and has different ways or learning. baby einstein might be educational to some kinds and not to others. it all depends on the child.

just because your kid is learning from it doesn't mean that other children will and vice versa.
(( this isn't directed to anyone in specific, just everyone in general ))

ok, that's all.

[welfareloser]

I wasn't trying to make it one. While it could be interpreted that way, and you did, I was simply saying that I have complete confidence in my parenting methods.

i'm sorry to nitpick, but... you said it in a competitive way, period. you'd put your kids up "against" anyone else's. that's a competition.




Hey, we all see parenting techniques as right or wrong.

we all make choices in our parenting, and choose what we think is best for our children. however, NOT all of us see techniques as right or wrong. what isn't right for me may be right for someone else.


You (and others) see the gold chain as acceptable; I (and others) do not.

i wouldn't give my kids one; just because someone else gives their kid one, i don't think they shouldn't have - i know i don't know that parent or that kid. it seems you do think they shouldn't have. that's the difference i'm trying to point out.


My point to you remains, and that is that Baby Einstein is a better thing to give your child than a gold chain. If we don't agree on that, well...that's understandable.


it's your use of "your" that i heartily disagree with. you're making a blanket statement. and if there's anything for which blanket statements are useless, it's children, in their infinite variability.






I think there are underlying issues here (such as raising materialistic children, outside influences on our children, etc), but they're not being discusssed here.

so discuss them :shrug: of course materialism is an undesirable quality in anyone, and nobody would disagree with you. i just wonder at how you can take the information that this little girl has a gold necklace and infer that materialism is at work. little girls like necklaces. gold can be very freakin cheap. her clothes seemed very low-key and conservative (not exactly the norm among kids, even 5-year-olds, especially in large cities) so, if i had to guess, i'd guess that materialism was NOT a problem for her. i'm wondering what led you to think it was.

anyway... my point, overall, is that you are judging some other parents. *i am now departing form the subject of you personally, and am speaking in general... so no fair taking umbrage to anything after this asterisk* it's one of the things i hate most about being a parent: i have never been in any field/situation in which more people were so freakin comfortable issuing judgements about other in the same field with such utter certitude. it honestly boggles my mind. yeah, the dirty woman cussing and beating her kid in walmart... the parents who leave their 2 year old home to go see jerry springer... of course we all judge them "bad." but there are so many other simple, little things that wound-up parents will issue the most stunning negative judgements... it's just putting others down so they can feel better about themselves. i just wish people would take a step back and say, hey... the world is full of good parents.




Yeah, but mine are better looking and are better athletes...you know, the important stuff. ;)

donkey konga showdown. my place. friday night. y'all are goin home with tails tucked and shoulders slumped... manners and beauty will not win them the game of life like totally sweet konga skills.

oh, and bring soda. we're out. and your own beanbag chairs, because i taught my kids not to share beanbags with loooooosers :heh:

damn, i'm a good parent.

[KIISQueen]

update

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A Los Angeles man and woman were each sentenced to two years in prison on Wednesday for stealing a gold chain from around the neck of a 5-year-old girl in January.

Julio Cesar Beltran, 18, and Patricia Serrano, 31, each pleaded no contest to one count of second-degree robbery and were given two year sentences by a Los Angeles judge, prosecutor June Chung said.

A videotape captured Beltran leaping from a car being driven by Serrano and grabbing two chains on the girl's neck as she stood in front of a meat market, Chung said.

Serrano ripped one of the chains off the girl, giving her an 8-inch (20-cm) cut, she said, and the couple admitted to police that they later pawned the necklace for drug money.

"It's very shocking to have a 5-year-old robbery victim," Chung said, adding that when the robbery was first reported "people were calling in from around the country offering to buy her a new necklace."

Chung said the girl still has a slight scar on the back of her neck but was otherwise doing well.

[Merlin]

...almost as easy as stealing candy from a baby
:stupid: Exactly what I was thinking.

[oblongmelon]

The bigger question is, what was the 5 year old doing outside the supermarket by herself in the first place while her mother was inside shopping? We sure as hell didn't let Josh go outside by himself while we were inside shopping. 30 seconds is long enough for someone to grab the girl instead of the necklace. The family should count their blessings. :(

EXACTLY what I was thinking!!!...better than chain that the kid if you ask me.

(ps.back in the day,Italian kids always has chains with crucifixes or other Holy medals(including me,my siblings, extended family, and my own children). As long as they were old enough to know better to not EAT them, they'd be wearing them.)

[welfareloser]

As long as they were old enough to know better to not EAT them, they'd be wearing them.)[/COLOR]

so, like, girls got em around age 1, and boys around age 12? :P

[MikeD]

so, like, girls got em around age 1, and boys around age 12? :P

Here we go again...

[guiseppewv]

so, like, girls got em around age 1, and boys around age 12? :P

Nah, we got them around 9-12 months, b/c our parents new we wouldn't let someone take them from us. ;) :P

[welfareloser]

:hihi: well, yeah... even the most desperate crack fiend might hesitate to go diggin in your nose for it ;)