Communism is it everywhere?

[AmRivlin]

This is mainly directed at Renots followers, recently I have seen a flux in political discussions, I LIKE!

Any way, with Fidel visiting lately and the Minister of the PRC in the US that makes it the first time we have had 2 communistic leaders within the country. I was listening to a talk radio session yesterday and they were discussing the fall of Cuba and the cease of PRC communistic rule. What is everyones take on that? Would it even be benificial if communism is gone? We American capitalists thrive on an constant enemy. Our nation booms when we are being oppressed. If there is no enemy will we slide off the globe, will historians of 2408 look and compare us to the Egyptians? Just some thoughts.

[LPMiller]

no, because there is always the french.

[sbp]

Communism, in the decades that it terrorized the world, showed itself to be a murderous miserable system that enslaved and killed countless people. Thankfully there are only a few communistic countries left in the world. And its just a matter of time before they go the way of the dodo. Ever since the USSR broke up and Eastern Europe countries broke the chains of repression the world has been better off.

It is only with the death of that damned dictator Fidel that America and Cuba will once again be friendly.

I give the Chinese communists 20 years before they are out of power.

Here's a picture of those wussy Frenchies. The best ally no one ever needed or wanted.

http://www.geocities.com/sbp7777/files2/french.gif

[Edited by sbp on 09-12-2000 at 03:51 PM]

[renots]

...that gun control is the 1st step towards communism

Just Say KNOW!

;0)

[renots]

Originally posted by sbp
http://www.geocities.com/sbp7777/files2/french.gif[/img]

[Edited by sbp on 09-12-2000 at 03:51 PM]

hey the germans didn't think they were so bad in ww2

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[Butch]

My guess is that it will not take more than 5 years to reinstate normalized trade relations with Cuba. Of course, that hardly means an end to Communism in Cuba, but at least we'll all get the cigars we want . . . hehe. As for China, they've been on a LONG slow road to capitalism. Unlike Eastern Europe and Russia, China is taking a VERY gradual move towards Capitalism - which should be accelerated by admission into the WTO and expansion of their special economic zones. However, while the Chinese have been moving towards capitalism, they have been taking EVERY pain to maintain the primacy of the Communist party. Of course, with the democratic pressures that capitalism brings, it seems impossible to permanently maintain the primacy of the Communism Party. It seems possible that Communism will fall within 20 years in China, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Even if it were to fall in name, we'll probably see many of the same problems as we saw in the former USSR - vestiges of the party will remain in power, and their financial system is in such tatters that there will inevitably be a recession that will bring about nostalgic feelings for Communism.

In any case, Communism clearly isn't the threat that it once was. It is inevitable that it will fall. There is no Communist country that can compete economically nor militarily. China has a very large army, but tremendously ill-equipped - they could defend the homelandland, but forget a projection of power. Their Navy is weak and their Air Force is archaic. They have nukes, but that option is a lose-lose situation for them.

North Korea is probably a bigger threat (Or nuisance) - we came VERY close to war with them several years back (The situation was diffused in part by Carter's trip there as an unofficial emissary) - their nuclear program is a pain, but pretty much just a bargaining chip for them at this point. Regardless of whether they have the bomb, they don't have a means to deliver it effectively - neutralizing the threat.

Anyway . . . we win we win . . . I guess that's what this stupid post was about (c: - By the way, as for the Frenchy comment - sure seemed like the French came in handy as an ally in the Revolutionary War - if not for them, we'd still be a bunch of British colonies - oh how quickly we forget.

[renots]

Originally posted by Butch


North Korea is probably a bigger threat

oh yeah like we really have to be afraid of starving north koreans dropping in on bamboo parachutes

;0o

[renots]

Originally posted by Butch
By the way, as for the Frenchy comment - sure seemed like the French came in handy as an ally in the Revolutionary War - if not for them, we'd still be a bunch of British colonies - oh how quickly we forget.

yeah, Lafayette was a pretty cool dude

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[renots]

hey everyone was doing it, american industrialists,swiss bankers, english royalty, etc

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[sbp]

America and Britain sure came in handy in freeing France from the Nazis. Oh how quickly they forget. :rolleyes:

France under Charles De Gaulle in a midguided attempt to find a third way between the US and USSR left the military part of NATO in 1966. Then a few years ago said they would rejoin NATO's military structure but only if a European was Supreme Commander. {sarcastic} Oh yes the mighty French military was so missed. {/sarcastic} {slams door on the smelly asses of those Beret wearing fruits} Smell you later chumps.

http://www.ad-pakraleigh.com/newsroom/ntn/world/100197/world20_13810_noframes.html

Now whether or not there should be a NATO today is another subject.

[Butch]

Renots - North Korea's desperate situation is one of the reasons I view them as a greater threat than China. Further, we do not maintain normal diplomatic relations with N. Korea. They have not integrated with the rest of the world to nearly the extent that China has.

As for NATO, France has rejoined NATO - and NATO should remain and (in my view) take a greater role in the world. Clearly, with the fall of the USSR, NATO's mission has changed drastically from it's original purpose. However, in acting as a peacekeeping force when the UN is unwilling, and a strike force (a new role taken with the attacks on Serbia) when necessary, it has an important role. Further, NATO can play a tremendous role in stemming the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and as a general voice for US interests when some semblance of international unity is required for the legitimization of a course of action. (Of course for the rest of the world, that isn't much of a reason - but for the US, it is a great asset)

Of course, NATO's new role is still evolving, but as it expands further into Eastern Europe it helps to create an ever more stable international order and balances out the impotence of the United Nations.

[c64user]

Originally posted by renots
...that gun control is the 1st step towards communism

Just Say KNOW!

;0)

Haha!! And we all know that ALL civilized countries let their citizens run around with guns because those that don't must obviously be communist. Right?

[zenbooty]

Originally posted by c64user

Originally posted by renots
...that gun control is the 1st step towards communism

Just Say KNOW!

;0)

Haha!! And we all know that ALL civilized countries let their citizens run around with guns because those that don't must obviously be communist. Right?

Maybe not all civilized countries, but any FREE civilized country would.

[coleslaw]

*Looks in pants*

Nope, no communism there! :D

Although, I do sense some sexism present... women only!! :laugh:

[sbp]

Careful where you point that thing coleslaw. :eek:


c64user said
Haha!! And we all know that ALL civilized countries let their citizens run around with guns because those that don't must obviously be communist. Right?No. Most of the countries that confiscate guns are socialist. Britain, Australia and Canada are examples.

[Edited by sbp on 09-14-2000 at 07:06 AM]

[renots]

Originally posted by sbp
Careful where you point that thing coleslaw. :eek:


c64user said
Haha!! And we all know that ALL civilized countries let their citizens run around with guns because those that don't must obviously be communist. Right?No. Most of the countries that confiscate guns are socialist. Britain, Australia and Canada are examples.

[Edited by sbp on 09-14-2000 at 07:06 AM]


and we can all see how great those countries economies are doing[you ever check out how EXPENSIVE it is to buy computer parts in these places?]

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[sbp]

I hear from perps living in those countries and others complaining (Switzerland, Germany...) how expensive everything is. Guess they like those high gas prices eh? BWAHAAHAA! :laugh: