Post your gun pics!

[Agent Plissken]

Tell everyone what you're packing and post pictures. Whats your favorite?
:fal:

Me:
H&K USP compact (.40S&W) the one pointing up
H&K P2000 (.40S&W) the one pointing down
Ruger MKII (.22LR)
Colt Border Patrol (.357 Revolver)
Taurus Tracker 970 (.22LR)
and
Ruger 10/22 (w/ 50 rnd bananna clip) (.22LR)
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4185/cimg00116fd.jpg

[speedracer120]

You need to get a scope for your rifle.
You have a safe for your guns? If I had that much hardware I'd invest in a nice hefty one.

[Yossarian]

a scope for a .22? thats a waste. save the money and get yourself a nice shotgun

[Agent Plissken]

Any good recomendations for shotguns?

[IrishSS]

http://www.teamfcf.com/badkarma/Gunssmall.jpg (http://www.teamfcf.com/badkarma/Guns.jpg)

Bushmaster LE M4 .223
Walther .40 P99
I have a Remington 870 Express Shotgun too, just no pics...


Any good recomendations for shotguns?

For what? Home defense? Bird hunting/trap shooting?

A Remington 870 Express is the pretty much a common shotty. Well built and easy for anybody to use. Not expensive either... Mine (28" barell, 12 Ga.) was $249.

[speedracer120]

Man, I'm drooling.

[Yossarian]

irish, i like the look of the walther, how's it shoot?

[ramazank2]

I use this when the pigeons get too loud.....

https://webfiles.uci.edu/kramazan/Twin_30-1.jpg

[bachviet]

That M4 is sweeeeeeeeet! :eek:

[ialsohaveadream]

http://morethanlip.com/images/biceps.jpg
I'm a sexy b*tch.

[Houdini]

a scope for a .22? thats a waste. save the money and get yourself a nice shotgun

Completely different purposes. A .22 is for plinking or killing small things. And it's ridiculously cheap to shoot. A shotgun is for killing bigger things, smaller flying things, blasting clay discs, or home defense.

A nice scope for a 10/22 makes it a real tack-driver (not that it's not with iron sights) for serious plinking or long-distance training in lieu of larger rifles (cost). I can make much smaller groups (always trying for one hole) at greater distances w/a scope on a 10/22 than w/o. To me, a 10/22 looks kinda funny w/o a scope. :shrug: The money saved on a decent .22 scope wouldn't be significant w/respect to a good shotgun.

[Burzhui]

http://www.teamfcf.com/badkarma/Gunssmall.jpg (http://www.teamfcf.com/badkarma/Guns.jpg)

Bushmaster LE M4 .223
Walther .40 P99
I have a Remington 870 Express Shotgun too, just no pics...



For what? Home defense? Bird hunting/trap shooting?

A Remington 870 Express is the pretty much a common shotty. Well built and easy for anybody to use. Not expensive either... Mine (28" barell, 12 Ga.) was $249.


MMMM a walther! love walthers

[Houdini]

MMMM a walther! love walthers

Me too. I think a nice stainless PPK would be wonderful. I just hate the safeties on the damn things. (rotate a lever that's almost flush with the slide UP) Just like Berettas and Bersas. WAY too much fine motor coordination needed to take it off safe under stress. A good 1911 or even a Beretta knockoff like the Taurus 92 makes much more sense. Flip down with your thumb. Much more natural. Then again, a few years ago I became a Glock convert. No messy and annoying external safeties to play with. But I digress...

[nickel]

http://morethanlip.com/images/biceps.jpg
I'm a sexy b*tch.
that's what i was thinking. . .

but those aren't yours, are they?

[ialsohaveadream]

that's what i was thinking. . .

but those aren't yours, are they?
Nah. Mine are way sexier. ;)

[ShawnLee]

Mmm... P99. I keep going back and forth on them. Sometimes they're great, sometimes I don't like 'em.

I'm jealous of the LE M4. I won't say anything about California's gun laws here since it's not the Political forum, but methinks y'all can guess what I'd say. Or find one of my previous posts regarding them.

Anyhow, here's a repost of my gun pics. Me from last month.
http://x60.xanga.com/7b4b3a64d9d3231839647/b22163097.jpg
Beretta 96 (40S&W) Centurion on the left (in my right hand). HK USP full size 9mm on the right (in my left hand).

Ah... I miss my facial hair.

[zippyjuan]

Your guns are ahl so puny! This is a gun! This is all a real man needs! Only the girly man needs one with bullets! You see this and you run away!
http://ironage.us/articles/images/bicep_peak/arnold-edu.jpg

[IrishSS]

irish, i like the look of the walther, how's it shoot?
It's a smooth mutha! I love the feel of the grip and the weighting of the whole gun. It just wants to aim itself where ever you point it it's so well balanced. I like the internal hammer as well. Makes the gun that much more reliable IMO.


I just hate the safeties on the damn things. (rotate a lever that's almost flush with the slide UP) Just like Berettas and Bersas. WAY too much fine motor coordination needed to take it off safe under stress....

Then again, a few years ago I became a Glock convert. No messy and annoying external safeties to play with. But I digress...
Ah, gotta love the safety-less P99 as well. And it doesn't even have the damn trigger safety thingy the Glocks have either.


M4 yada yada...

BTW, the M4 is probably the best shooting gun I have ever fired. It is so damed accurate, even with the iron sites. My friends and I were shooting 4" groups at 75-100 yards using the iron sights with 20 rds a piece. You aim, it hits. Plain and simple. It doesn't sound like much when you are firing nor does it kick very bad... but in front of the barrel that thing has a bark! Toss an ACOG or other optic on there and you have a damn lethal piece of weaponary in the hands of somebody who knows what they are doing.

My next purchase will probably be an M1A of some variety. I'd like to go out with a good .308 and be able to pick stuff off at 500+ yds with ease. An M21 is what I'm really after, but even before optics I'm looking at $2200. Just a damned lot for a gun. I've been thinking about investing in a nice Barrett M82 .50, but aside from the enormous cost ($5-8000), the price of ammo for it is ridiculous ($2-$4/rd.). Ammo for the .223 is expensive enough...

[nickel]

Anyhow, here's a repost of my gun pics. Me from last month.
http://x60.xanga.com/7b4b3a64d9d3231839647/b22163097.jpg
Beretta 96 (40S&W) Centurion on the left (in my right hand). HK USP full size 9mm on the right (in my left hand).

Ah... I miss my facial hair.
*puts her hands up in the air* :winkie:

[Yossarian]

Completely different purposes. A .22 is for plinking or killing small things. And it's ridiculously cheap to shoot. A shotgun is for killing bigger things, smaller flying things, blasting clay discs, or home defense.

A nice scope for a 10/22 makes it a real tack-driver (not that it's not with iron sights) for serious plinking or long-distance training in lieu of larger rifles (cost). I can make much smaller groups (always trying for one hole) at greater distances w/a scope on a 10/22 than w/o. To me, a 10/22 looks kinda funny w/o a scope. :shrug: The money saved on a decent .22 scope wouldn't be significant w/respect to a good shotgun.


to get a good shotgun you'd probably spend more than the scope anyways....i was suggesting that he round his collection out with a shotgun, cause shooting skeet is mucho fun. that and its quite good at home defence.

AP, when i go home next (i'm at school) i'll get the exact model for you, but you can't go wrong with a mossberg riot gun...

[JaQnAbOx]

http://morethanlip.com/images/biceps.jpg
I'm a sexy b*tch.

i was going to do that but you beat me to it..hehe

[nickel]

i was going to do that but you beat me to it..hehe
you can do the same. no one would object. :D

[PoorAvatar]

Has anyone else seen this, "Teen Arrested over MySpace Photo" of guns?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/internet/02/23/myspace.guns.ap/index.html

[speedracer120]

That kid is seriously disturbed. "Angel O' Death on Wings O' Lead"?! WTF was he thinking. Anyways enough thread jacking. Leon post your guns up!

[Jane83]

you know what they say about men who need to have guns...
its for their lack of confidence down below...
small penis likes big guns.
does it make you feel more like a man?

[clutchy]

you know what they say about men who need to have guns...
its for their lack of confidence down below...
small penis likes big guns.
does it make you feel more like a man?


you mean of course they want to protect their wives and family from those who would do them harm... don't play the little dick card. Guns aren't about insecurity, but the polar opposite. My wife was raised in a completely anti-gun environment. She feels alot better knowing I have one, and wouldn't hesitate to use it in order to protect her. Maybe you'll understand later.

[ApltnHkyMutt]

Has anyone else seen this, "Teen Arrested over MySpace Photo" of guns?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/internet/02/23/myspace.guns.ap/index.html


So what did he do wrong... holding guns and having your picture taken is not against the law.. right?

[Memo]

Has anyone else seen this, "Teen Arrested over MySpace Photo" of guns?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/internet/02/23/myspace.guns.ap/index.html

God, that is complete ****ing bull****! It's a 16 year old kid having fun over the internet and some nosy ass people get him a criminal record for it. God damn this kind of stuff pisses me off.

[Cheesypuff]

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader2/files/Cheesypuff/bretta.jpg

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader2/files/Cheesypuff/ar15.jpg

enjoy...they're fun to fire!!!

[speedracer120]

Are those Airsoft guns? :hihi:

[Jenny]

you know what they say about men who need to have guns...
its for their lack of confidence down below...
small penis likes big guns.
does it make you feel more like a man?

Way to crap on the thread. If you feel the need to post this, start a new thread in the Political forum. :disa:

[Memo]

Way to crap on the thread. If you feel the need to post this, start a new thread in the Political forum. :disa:


Did she offend your penis size? :eye:

[Jenny]

roflmao

*looks down her dress* Whew, thought something had grown while I was sitting here working! lol

Nah, I just took offense for all the guys on here, and for my hubby (who loves guns but doesn't yet own one). ;)

[Agent Plissken]

Thanks Jenny, I wasnt going to waste my time :)

Lets see more PICS guys! I want some shotgun Pictures with recommendations!

[Cheesypuff]

Are those Airsoft guns? :hihi:


no...those arn't airsoft guns....jerk!!! :)

beretta, and a AR-15

[clutchy]

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader2/files/Cheesypuff/bretta.jpg

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader2/files/Cheesypuff/ar15.jpg

enjoy...they're fun to fire!!!


Cheese you're soo HOT!! I had forgotten how much i miss not having you down the hall... :eyebrow: :naughty: :hug:

[Cheesypuff]

why thank you...we'll go snuggle someday.

[Houdini]

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader2/files/Cheesypuff/bretta.jpg

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader2/files/Cheesypuff/ar15.jpg

enjoy...they're fun to fire!!!

As a sug, work on your grip i.e. the first pic. Don't cup-and-saucer it. Move your left hand higher up so that it's actually gripping the left grip. You'll see much better accuracy. :)

I like the Beretta, though. Wonderful gun except for the safety. :) Which model is that anyway? I'm too lazy to try to zoom in.

[Houdini]

Ah, gotta love the safety-less P99 as well. And it doesn't even have the damn trigger safety thingy the Glocks have either.

Ah, gotta love the safety-less P99 as well. And it doesn't even have the damn trigger safety thingy the Glocks have either.
[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Very well-made. Glad to see a good company is making polymer guns besides Glock. Other companies have made Glock-like guns, but they haven't proven to be very good. Walther changed that. Ask 007. (Though I still miss seeing 007 with a PPK).

The thing I don't like about the Walther, if I'm not mistaken, like the HK it has that weird magazine release. I know it's supposed to be actuated by your index finger, but my thumb is long enough to trip it at the trigger guard. But it's a much different movement than just pushing a button in the classical position. :shrug:

Still, love to have one. Until then, I'll just stick with my G19 for winter and Bersa Thunder .380 for summer. :)

[zenbooty]

you mean of course they want to protect their wives and family from those who would do them harm... don't play the little dick card. Guns aren't about insecurity, but the polar opposite. My wife was raised in a completely anti-gun environment. She feels alot better knowing I have one, and wouldn't hesitate to use it in order to protect her. Maybe you'll understand later.Oh spare us :rolleyes:

Owning guns isn't about insecurity, but discussing guns with the adulation of 3rd graders sure is. Posting pictures of your guns to show them off is as well, and posting pics of yourself targeting two pistols at the camera like some kind of John Woo masturbation fantasy reeks of it.

You ever notice how the biggest strongest football built-type people are often the most peaceful, softspoken, and humble? Its too bad that sense of security doesn't seemm to rub off on enough gun owners. Jane has a very valid point, even if the small dick stuff is kind of a cheap shot.

My grandfather and father were both sportsman, my father kept shotguns at home and rifles in my Grandmother's barn for protecting the garden we grew each year. In all my years I never once heard discussion about guns from either of them, except in the most utilitarian and mundane ways, like, "I gotta get the .22 from granma's and try and get that racoon that's been eating all the grapes out back." Now there isn't a man more esteemed or looked up to in my entire extended family than my father, for his honor, courage, honesty, and responsibility to his family. I know he would look upon some of the posts in this thread and find immaturity, foolishness, and insecurity.

Is it offensive? No. People can go ahead and salivate over their arsenals if that floats their boat. But it is telling to many of us.

[Cheesypuff]

As a sug, work on your grip i.e. the first pic. Don't cup-and-saucer it. Move your left hand higher up so that it's actually gripping the left grip. You'll see much better accuracy. :)

I like the Beretta, though. Wonderful gun except for the safety. :) Which model is that anyway? I'm too lazy to try to zoom in.


point taken! I actually don't know which model of bretta it is. those guns are my friends guns.

[Houdini]

Oh spare us :rolleyes:

Owning guns isn't about insecurity, but discussing guns with the adulation of 3rd graders sure is. Posting pictures of your guns to show them off is as well, and posting pics of yourself targeting two pistols at the camera like some kind of John Woo masturbation fantasy reeks of it.

You ever notice how the biggest strongest football built-type people are often the most peaceful, softspoken, and humble? Its too bad that sense of security doesn't seemm to rub off on enough gun owners. Jane has a very valid point, even if the small dick stuff is kind of a cheap shot.

My grandfather and father were both sportsman, my father kept shotguns at home and rifles in my Grandmother's barn for protecting the garden we grew each year. In all my years I never once heard discussion about guns from either of them, except in the most utilitarian and mundane ways, like, "I gotta get the .22 from granma's and try and get that racoon that's been eating all the grapes out back." Now there isn't a man more esteemed or looked up to in my entire extended family than my father, for his honor, courage, honesty, and responsibility to his family. I know he would look upon some of the posts in this thread and find immaturity, foolishness, and insecurity.

Is it offensive? No. People can go ahead and salivate over their arsenals if that floats their boat. But it is telling to many of us.


Sure, they're utilitarian. They are simple machines. But many of us are enthusiasts, collectors, and competition shooters. I see no problems with people posting pics of their weapons. Perhaps someone might learn something. I know I have by discussing weapons with others on this board and seeing pics. :shrug:

[Agent Plissken]

blah blah honor blah blah
Someday I hope to be as "wise" and "honorable" as your father Zenbooty. Until then I am going to share my gun collection and discuss guns with other G|A users. And as I would hope you wouldn't crap on someone's thread with pictures of their stamp collection, I hope you can stop crapping on this tread. Feel free to start a new thread about how immature we are though and discuss it until your heart's content.

[ShawnLee]

Oh spare us :rolleyes:

Owning guns isn't about insecurity, but discussing guns with the adulation of 3rd graders sure is. Posting pictures of your guns to show them off is as well, and posting pics of yourself targeting two pistols at the camera like some kind of John Woo masturbation fantasy reeks of it.

You ever notice how the biggest strongest football built-type people are often the most peaceful, softspoken, and humble? Its too bad that sense of security doesn't seemm to rub off on enough gun owners. Jane has a very valid point, even if the small dick stuff is kind of a cheap shot.

My grandfather and father were both sportsman, my father kept shotguns at home and rifles in my Grandmother's barn for protecting the garden we grew each year. In all my years I never once heard discussion about guns from either of them, except in the most utilitarian and mundane ways, like, "I gotta get the .22 from granma's and try and get that racoon that's been eating all the grapes out back." Now there isn't a man more esteemed or looked up to in my entire extended family than my father, for his honor, courage, honesty, and responsibility to his family. I know he would look upon some of the posts in this thread and find immaturity, foolishness, and insecurity.

Is it offensive? No. People can go ahead and salivate over their arsenals if that floats their boat. But it is telling to many of us.Was that from your intro to psychology textbook? Was it a GE class?

What if... we just like guns? Does a like for cars, computers, etc. warrant accusations of being immature, foolish, or insecure? Sad. I've never seen myself as being better than anyone else, nor have I felt validated by my owning guns.

Spare me your pop psychology and let me enjoy some cool machines.
I actually don't know which model of bretta it is. those guns are my friends guns.If you remember what caliber you were shooting, it'd probably tell you. If it was a 9mm, it was a 92. If it was 40S&W, it was a 96. Otherwise, looks like a pretty standard Beretta 92/96 series.

[nickel]

you know what they say about men who need to have guns...
its for their lack of confidence down below...
small penis likes big guns.
does it make you feel more like a man?
Janey was doing some drunk posting again i see. :P

[ShawnLee]

Some more.

My arm's at an angle, so it looks weirdly atrophied or something.
http://x32.xanga.com/f57b0be64703032878136/m22830541.jpg

An SKS
http://x18.xanga.com/8320942614db516114185/w11581117.jpg

Shotgun
http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader2/files/Shawn/Shawn%20Shotgun%20%28Small%29.jpg

Not that these were shot at my indoor range... But they were there to take pictures. Yeah...
That's it. I just took pictures only. No evidence!

[Leon]

This is a gun thread. If you don't like guns or want to spout your opinions on them, go elsewhere.

[ialsohaveadream]

This is a gun thread. If you don't like guns or want to spout your opinions on them, go elsewhere.
Amen. I wouldn't want someone crapping on a hot chicks thread at some point, either. :)

[yippiekiyeh]

http://www.teamfcf.com/badkarma/Gunssmall.jpg (http://www.teamfcf.com/badkarma/Guns.jpg)

Bushmaster LE M4 .223
Walther .40 P99
I have a Remington 870 Express Shotgun too, just no pics...



For what? Home defense? Bird hunting/trap shooting?

A Remington 870 Express is the pretty much a common shotty. Well built and easy for anybody to use. Not expensive either... Mine (28" barell, 12 Ga.) was $249.


That's a cool Walther P99, I want to get one of those... how does it feel, comparable to a colt 1911 in terms of kick? I've been curious how much do they usually run?

[ShawnLee]

That's a cool Walther P99, I want to get one of those... how does it feel, comparable to a colt 1911 in terms of kick? I've been curious how much do they usually run?They're... Eh, I think it's more about the caliber of the round than the gun. A full sized 1911 isn't going to have much kick in it relative to a light gun like the P99, especially since the 9mm is a hotter load than the .45ACP anyways.

Also, price-wise, check a local store. Prices can change from market to market. My only recommendation is that you don't get the Walther, but get the Smith and Wesson 99. Exact same gun. And when I say exact, I mean exact.

On both models, S&W makes the top half (slide) and Walther makes the bottom half (frame and action). They're just badged differently. For some reason, the Walther name is worth ~$100 more.

[IrishSS]

Aye... S&W does make the exact same gun... mine even says S&W on certain parts. I paid $480 for it used. It had approx. 100 rds through it when I bought it. It's not bad on kick either. Haven't shot a 1911 in a long time, so it's hard for me to compare.

[Cheesypuff]

If you remember what caliber you were shooting, it'd probably tell you. If it was a 9mm, it was a 92. If it was 40S&W, it was a 96. Otherwise, looks like a pretty standard Beretta 92/96 series.


yeah, it was a 9mm. So I guess it would be a 92 series.

[Jane83]

Janey was doing some drunk posting again i see. :P
hahaha you sure know me well:winkie:

[Agent Plissken]

I took my pal Osama to the range today! We had fun! The hole in his forehead is from the 10/22, the rest is handgun fire.
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7029/cimg00166pw.jpg

[Jenny]

lol nice

[eSDee]

..

[Houdini]

I took my pal Osama to the range today! We had fun! The hole in his forehead is from the 10/22, the rest is handgun fire.
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7029/cimg00166pw.jpg

Heh...nice. Tighten up those groups! Shot placement is the only thing that matters if the real OBL were in your sights!

H

[Agent Plissken]

Yeah, I am not very accurate with pistols yet (except the MKII)... I just started shooting afterall! Most of the body shots were just "point and empty the clip" style shooting anyway... firing for effect!

It was my first time firing the P2000, the 10/22, and the Taurus Tracker 970. I really like the first 2, im not a fan of the Taurus. I think I like the USP compact slightly better than the P2000 because of a few features, but its a tough call!

Houdini, what scope would you recommend for a 10/22?

[Agent Plissken]

Well, I dont have my P2000 anymore...
I traded it for a Glock 17 with night sights and 3 high capacity magazines... and $300 cash... Which to me is a no brainer deal, but I miss my baby already...

[clutchy]

fixed, later in thread, thanks sbp :)

[Jenny]

I'm assuming because you have to be logged into the forum to view them.

[Cheesypuff]

I think clutchy wants us to regisister on thier forums. SPAM!!!!!!! =) j/k

[clutchy]

wife with hand cannon

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader2/files/clutchy/texas115.jpg

brother #2, ejecting shell Glock 19

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader2/files/clutchy/texas122.jpg

Brother #2 shooting, brother #1 foreground g19

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader2/files/clutchy/texas133.jpg


If this works, I'd like to thank sbp. Thanks sbp:bow:

btw, this was out at a range in Houston, TX over christmas...

[ShawnLee]

Today at the range, we had a shooter with a .44 MAG, with his own special "heavy" loads.

Being in the same bay as him leads to a small concussion in the nasal cavities whenever he shoots.

As the manager likes to say concerning him, "I guess he's never understood the concept of moderation."

[Dem0072]

Today at the range, we had a shooter with a .44 MAG, with his own special "heavy" loads.

Being in the same bay as him leads to a small concussion in the nasal cavities whenever he shoots.

As the manager likes to say concerning him, "I guess he's never understood the concept of moderation."

haha... the only way you should make use of that is if some prick tries to break into your home. Then, feel free to grab the biggest gun you have.

Ruger Security Six Blue Cast Steel .357 magnum with .38 Shells here.

12 gauge mossberg rifle (yet to find a model on the stupid thing, I hate it... inaccurate cheap piece of crap...)

.22 LR, actually a Canadian model, Semi-Auto, 7 round mag

Nice rifles, and good discussion.

Heckler & Koch is one of my favorites, Walther is good but comes in later on the list. Rifle wise, Accuracy International has some impressive stuff.

[Houdini]

Today at the range, we had a shooter with a .44 MAG, with his own special "heavy" loads.

Being in the same bay as him leads to a small concussion in the nasal cavities whenever he shoots.

As the manager likes to say concerning him, "I guess he's never understood the concept of moderation."

That sucks for everyone around him in an indoor range. It's on the verge of bad manners. If you stand directly behind the guy, everything is much quieter. Luckily, with loads like that, his hand/wrist will probably make him stop due to pain. :shrug:


haha... the only way you should make use of that is if some prick tries to break into your home. Then, feel free to grab the biggest gun you have.

Ruger Security Six Blue Cast Steel .357 magnum with .38 Shells here.

12 gauge mossberg rifle (yet to find a model on the stupid thing, I hate it... inaccurate cheap piece of crap...)

.22 LR, actually a Canadian model, Semi-Auto, 7 round mag

Nice rifles, and good discussion.

Heckler & Koch is one of my favorites, Walther is good but comes in later on the list. Rifle wise, Accuracy International has some impressive stuff.


Er....12 gauge shotgun maybe? If you expect rifle accuracy, you're not going to be real happy, :)

.357s are nice revolvers b/c you can shoot .38 spec with them for plinking. Still, I'm more of an automatic kinda guy. And one who appreciates pistols without external safeties (except for 1911s, of course, of which I have none but want).

[Dem0072]

I know not to go looking for accuracy in a shotgun, offcourse. But you would think the thing would be competant enough to hit the broad side of a barn.

I've had no problems with any other firearms in my life, but I dispise that shotgun...

Yes, I do like the .357 though, bright side is guns that fire multi-cal rounds usually puzzle forensic scientists (at least for the moment) when they try to match it to the gun, unless nowadays guns are tested in multi-cal before being "registered".

If I had my choice of rifle I'd go with something in the Heckler & Koch series. Maybe find a .338...

[Agent Plissken]

Yes, I do like the .357 though, bright side is guns that fire multi-cal rounds usually puzzle forensic scientists (at least for the moment) when they try to match it to the gun, unless nowadays guns are tested in multi-cal before being "registered".

lol, why is that the "bright side"? Unless you plan on murdering somebody...? ! :fal:

[Houdini]

I know not to go looking for accuracy in a shotgun, offcourse. But you would think the thing would be competant enough to hit the broad side of a barn.

I've had no problems with any other firearms in my life, but I dispise that shotgun...

Yes, I do like the .357 though, bright side is guns that fire multi-cal rounds usually puzzle forensic scientists (at least for the moment) when they try to match it to the gun, unless nowadays guns are tested in multi-cal before being "registered".

If I had my choice of rifle I'd go with something in the Heckler & Koch series. Maybe find a .338...

Shotguns aren't rifled and are generally meant to shoot a bunch of stuff that scatters. If you use a slug, it's only accurate to a small distance due to drag and the fact it's not stabilized, much like old non-rifled black powder muskets. The lack of rifling makes all shotguns inherently inaccurate. I've found Mossbergs, though cheap, make pretty good pump action shotguns, and I've shot enough flying clays to prove it. :shrug:

The .357 spent round has the same ballistic characterisics has it leaves the chamber as an auto. Sure, it doesn't expel shells, but a good water shoot, for example, will likely prove forensically that a round came from that gun.

.338 pistol? What? Maybe .380?

[Agent Plissken]

I just got a Remington 700 (270 WSM) with a Leupold Vari-X III (3.5-10)...
Ill post pics after work!
(Im on night shift now)

[speedracer120]

Damn dude, what the heck do you do for Hyundai? Got a spot there for me?

[Agent Plissken]

I got it used, common, im not MADE of money you know!
Do you want to be a specialist? Send in your resume!

The rifle is in about 99% condition I would guess, the scope is about the same give or take...
Oh yeah, as for the price, I dont want to make you guys hate me or anything, but $499 + tax for the rifle and scope. What do you think about THAT!

[Houdini]

I just got a Remington 700 (270 WSM) with a Leupold Vari-X III (3.5-10)...
Ill post pics after work!
(Im on night shift now)

Sounds pretty cool! Good scope too, though I'm not a scope expert. Enjoy!

[Dem0072]

Shotguns aren't rifled and are generally meant to shoot a bunch of stuff that scatters. If you use a slug, it's only accurate to a small distance due to drag and the fact it's not stabilized, much like old non-rifled black powder muskets. The lack of rifling makes all shotguns inherently inaccurate. I've found Mossbergs, though cheap, make pretty good pump action shotguns, and I've shot enough flying clays to prove it. :shrug:

The .357 spent round has the same ballistic characterisics has it leaves the chamber as an auto. Sure, it doesn't expel shells, but a good water shoot, for example, will likely prove forensically that a round came from that gun.

.338 pistol? What? Maybe .380?

Mossbergs shotguns aren't bad, I just hate the one we have.

As far as the .338, I was referring to a rifle, not a pistol.

And on the murder comment, nah. A .357 is just sufficient for home defense, shooting range, and honing your skill on something that has some recoil. (kick)

[ShawnLee]

I want a Rem 870. It's got a sastifying click to it, I think. That, and I think it edges out the Mossberg (slightly) in the accesories dept. My next gun will probably be a 10/22, cause everyone should own a 10/22. After that, probably a shotgun.

I just got a Remington 700 (270 WSM) with a Leupold Vari-X III (3.5-10)...Nice scope dude. Haha, that scope there would cost more than a 10/22. Dang.

Do you do your own reloading or do you buy factory loads only?

[Agent Plissken]

I have only been purchasing factory loads (after all I just started with guns very recently) but after seeing the price on a box of 270 wsm... I may look into a little hobby in reloading!

And yeah, my 10/22 was $189, and that scope normally sells for over $300

[Houdini]

I want a Rem 870. It's got a sastifying click to it, I think. That, and I think it edges out the Mossberg (slightly) in the accesories dept. My next gun will probably be a 10/22, cause everyone should own a 10/22. After that, probably a shotgun.
Nice scope dude. Haha, that scope there would cost more than a 10/22. Dang.

Do you do your own reloading or do you buy factory loads only?

The Rem 870 is a nice shotgun, as is the 1187 if you want semi-auto. And I think it does edge out the Mossberg, as you stated.

And, yes, everyone should own a 10/22. But I don't. Yet. :)

[ShawnLee]

I'm not going to get a semi-auto. WIth the accessories I'd eventually put on it, I'd probably get arrested for Cali's gun laws. With an 870, I could put all the fun toys I want on, and it'd still be legal. Stupid Cali gun laws.

[Agent Plissken]

Im late for work! Here are some pics from the range today. Shot from 100+ yrds. The Sadam target was while i was dialing in the scope, so thats why the shots are kinda random...

Maybe he shouldnt have tried to escape from his trial... there are about 6 shots where his nose used to be :-|
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/331/cimg00256yx.jpg
Here is a bud light bottle cap for size comparison...
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/5750/cimg00303gd.jpg
I only had a chance to fire 3 shots before the gale force winds blew the damn thing away... Luckily I recovered it for the photo :)
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/5874/cimg00310uj.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/998/cimg00334rq.jpg

I have a problem though. After every shot the cartrige was stuck to the bolt. Not a single one ejected, so after every shot I had to remove the bolt and pull the cartrige off and then reinsert the bolt... Any ideas on how to fix this?

[Houdini]

I'm not going to get a semi-auto. WIth the accessories I'd eventually put on it, I'd probably get arrested for Cali's gun laws. With an 870, I could put all the fun toys I want on, and it'd still be legal. Stupid Cali gun laws.

Heh...yeah. I was in CA last week. Even though I wasn't carrying or didn't even have any guns there, I still felt kind of uneasy, as only the bad guys are allowed to carry in CA. :)

Heck, the Governator outlawed .50 cal rifles b/c someone convinced him one could shoot down an airplane or something with one. Ridiculous. Anyone shooting .50 cal is doing some long, long distance target shooting with very expensive ammo. That's it.




I have a problem though. After every shot the cartrige was stuck to the bolt. Not a single one ejected, so after every shot I had to remove the bolt and pull the cartrige off and then reinsert the bolt... Any ideas on how to fix this?

Weird. I'm not familiar with the exact mechanism of that rifle, but usually the ejector is pretty easy to see and/or adjust. What does the face of the bolt look like? I'm just trying to figure out why the round would stick. Were you shooting decent ammo? :shrug:

[ShawnLee]

I'm assuming the basic things first. Is this a new rifle? Has it been oiled? Maybe it needs a break-in period to work through. Has it been cleaned? And quite possibly the most iffy: Are you absolutely sure you're using the right ammunition?

I'm not trying to insult your intelligience, it just needs to be asked.

[Agent Plissken]

I'm assuming the basic things first. Is this a new rifle? Has it been oiled? Maybe it needs a break-in period to work through. Has it been cleaned? And quite possibly the most iffy: Are you absolutely sure you're using the right ammunition?

I'm not trying to insult your intelligience, it just needs to be asked.

Dont worry Shawn it takes more than that to offend me :thumb:
It is a used rifle, but in such new looking condition, I cant tell how much it had been fired.
It is clean and oiled.
And I am positive on the ammunition type! (270 WSM)

Tomorrow im going to take it to the place where I purchased it (the place is also a gunsmith) and get them to fix it... Ill let you know what the problem is when I find out.

[clutchy]

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/998/cimg00334rq.jpg



Awesome rifle plisskin. I've been looking for a really accurate target rifle for awhile. I think i want a .22 though...

excellent gun though!!

[Cheesypuff]

.22 are fun to shoot! DUDE!!! clutch...we must go shooting sometime soon!

[Agent Plissken]

Clutchy do you want a semi auto or bolt action .22? You cant go wrong with the Ruger 10/22 w/ 50 rnd mag. for semi auto!

I forgot to mention about my rifle, it has a ruberized hogue stock. I am trying to find the model online.

[faither]

<< Me makes a note never to piss off anyone who's posted in this thread. >>

[clutchy]

Clutchy do you want a semi auto or bolt action .22? You cant go wrong with the Ruger 10/22 w/ 50 rnd mag. for semi auto!

I forgot to mention about my rifle, it has a ruberized hogue stock. I am trying to find the model online.

<--- clutchy lives in stupid california... only 10rds. for me. I think i want a bolt action though... but we'll see 10/22 or the cz 4... something are looking pretty good.

[Houdini]

<--- clutchy lives in stupid california... only 10rds. for me. I think i want a bolt action though... but we'll see 10/22 or the cz 4... something are looking pretty good.

Heh...that sux. Out here in the South we can have as many rounds as we want. :) Even new pistols come with max-round mags, and larger ones are available (such as the G18-fully auto model - mag for any glock that shoots 9mm.)

CZ makes some good .22's, as well as some larger calibers. I was playing with a larger cal rifle with a set trigger the other day. Very, very nice. Then again, I know this dude who bought one, loaded it, set the set trigger, and then proceeded to, for reasons unknown to anyone, pound the stock on his floor. Result? 7.62 round through his ceiling. Wihizzed right by his head. Dumbass.

Bolt actions are generally more accurate than semi-autos, but semi-autos generally have less recoil. Then again, nothing beats an M1 Garand, or so says Patton, and I have to agree. :)

I forgot to mention the ammo thing, Agent. Good to know that it is cleaned and oiled properly. Too much oil may gum things up as well. I really can't fathom why the rounds are sticking to the bolt, unless the casings are expanding in the chamber for some reason. :shrug: I'd have a good gunsmith take a look.

[ShawnLee]

I shot a G18 mag. Ahem... In Nevada, yeah, that's it, Nevada, and you can't prove otherwise!

There are few things quite like blowing through a few dollars worth of ammunition in five seconds.

[Houdini]

I shot a G18 mag. Ahem... In Nevada, yeah, that's it, Nevada, and you can't prove otherwise!

There are few things quite like blowing through a few dollars worth of ammunition in five seconds.

Heh...did you actually shoot a G18? Full-auto? If so, that's pretty cool. I've never shot anything full auto. I've always gotten to the range 2 min after the guy with the Thompson has left. :(

[Ladogaboy]

Weird. I'm not familiar with the exact mechanism of that rifle, but usually the ejector is pretty easy to see and/or adjust. What does the face of the bolt look like? I'm just trying to figure out why the round would stick. Were you shooting decent ammo? :shrug:

:stupid:

In my experience, ejections problems with bolt-action rifles usually have something to do with the ammunition. Especially if the gun is well oiled and clean.

[Agent Plissken]

Hmmm, I tried another ammunition type and it is still doing the same. It is actually sticking right after the bolt is closed, not after firing. Ill try to post pictures later.

[thresher]

I've never taken a picture of my shotgun other than for insurance purposes...but it's a Browning Citori, also called a type II. Over/Under and very "not intimidating"! :)

[HauptmannU]

Agent Plissken,

Sounds to me like you need to check the ejector on your Rem 700. Look on the bolt face where the case head normally rests. Hold the bolt with its face towards you. You should see your extractor on the left and a plunger on the right. The plunger is your ejector and it is spring loaded. Try pushing on it with the end of a punch (disposable pens work well for this too). It when operating properly it should compress and return to position.

[clutchy]

Agent Plissken,

Sounds to me like you need to check the ejector on your Rem 700. Look on the bolt face where the case head normally rests. Hold the bolt with its face towards you. You should see your extractor on the left and a plunger on the right. The plunger is your ejector and it is spring loaded. Try pushing on it with the end of a punch (disposable pens work well for this too). It when operating properly it should compress and return to position.


look at this guy, he registered just to try and help out. Thumbs up to you sir.:thumb:

[HauptmannU]

Thanks Clutchy, I'm a "Firearms enthusiast" and I just couldn't help myself...

[Agent Plissken]

Yeah thanks Hauptmannu! I think you are correct on your guess... I mailed the rifle in to Remington for a free repair this afternoon, but it may not come back in for 4 weeks or so :(

So whats in your collection?

edit* Oh yeah, the Savage .17HMR rifle I ordered should be in on Friday! I have a Leupold VX-I picked out for it. Oh joy

[Houdini]

Yeah thanks Hauptmannu! I think you are correct on your guess... I mailed the rifle in to Remington for a free repair this afternoon, but it may not come back in for 4 weeks or so :(

So whats in your collection?

edit* Oh yeah, the Savage .17HMR rifle I ordered should be in on Friday! I have a Leupold VX-I picked out for it. Oh joy

Good advice Haup! Agent, .17HMR? You sure are building a nice collection. I've never shot that round, but I've heard it's great for hitting small creatures from really long ranges, etc.

[ShawnLee]

I've shot the 17HMR (the little hummer) but I'm still waiting to try the 17 Mach 2 round. That seems like it might be fun, if only it weren't an expensive round for a rimfire.

[kame]

DOOD!

Are all Apex-er's part of the NRA!!!

I want a gun!!! BANG BANG....:fal:

[ShawnLee]

DOOD!
Are all Apex-er's part of the NRA!!!Not all. It seems there are a few who are anti-gun.

[Houdini]

I shot a G18 mag. Ahem... In Nevada, yeah, that's it, Nevada, and you can't prove otherwise!

There are few things quite like blowing through a few dollars worth of ammunition in five seconds.

I still wanna know, SL, did you shoot a G17/19/26 with the G18 mag? Or did you shoot an actual G18/G18C ? The G18 looks like a helluva lot of fun. And it was featured in the last Terminator movie.

A buddy of mine has a very high quality (forget the brand) gas-operated airsoft G18 clone. Perfect. Fits in a G17/G18 holster, etc. Looks just like the real thing, and works just like the real thing, down to the selector switch. It just has a very weak recoil spring and light slide, but it does have some recoil, and it does shoot full auto!

[ShawnLee]

Ah, if only dude... That would be crazy. Nay, it was a 17 with an 18 mag in it. Still, I'm quick enough with my trigger, so I got all the rounds out fairly quickly.

Note: not nearly as fast as full-auto, or an expert rapid-fire shooter, and not accurate in the least. I was lucky to get most of my rounds on the target.

It was cool though, with that many rounds, I treated it like I did the SAW when I was in the Army and walked the stream of fire onto where I wanted to hit instead of blindly firing.

[Houdini]

Ah, if only dude... That would be crazy. Nay, it was a 17 with an 18 mag in it. Still, I'm quick enough with my trigger, so I got all the rounds out fairly quickly.

Note: not nearly as fast as full-auto, or an expert rapid-fire shooter, and not accurate in the least. I was lucky to get most of my rounds on the target.

It was cool though, with that many rounds, I treated it like I did the SAW when I was in the Army and walked the stream of fire onto where I wanted to hit instead of blindly firing.

Ahh...you're still lucky. I have yet to shoot anything full auto, except for that airsoft thing. A SAW would be very cool. Even a 3-burst M4 or other AR variant would be cool. There's a range somewhere around here that rents a full auto Uzi, but you have to buy THEIR ammo at THEIR ridiculously high prices to use it. And if you want to hold the trigger for a few seconds, that's it. Of course, it would be cool to use it as a 3 rounder or so, but if I had an Uzi in my hands, I'd be inclined to just let it spray.

As I said before, the local range here has a regular who brings his Thompson. And I always miss him, as he lets people shoot it (at full auto).

At least here in LA, my weapons can carry more than 10 rounds. I never realized what a big deal that was until the AWB was lifted and I talked to friends in CA.

[HauptmannU]

Ahh...you're still lucky. I have yet to shoot anything full auto, except for that airsoft thing. A SAW would be very cool. Even a 3-burst M4 or other AR variant would be cool. There's a range somewhere around here that rents a full auto Uzi, but you have to buy THEIR ammo at THEIR ridiculously high prices to use it. And if you want to hold the trigger for a few seconds, that's it. Of course, it would be cool to use it as a 3 rounder or so, but if I had an Uzi in my hands, I'd be inclined to just let it spray.

As I said before, the local range here has a regular who brings his Thompson. And I always miss him, as he lets people shoot it (at full auto).

At least here in LA, my weapons can carry more than 10 rounds. I never realized what a big deal that was until the AWB was lifted and I talked to friends in CA.

I believe you are talking about Precision Firearms in Baton Rouge. FITS in Slidell has/had a suppressed UZI available for rental, but I don't know if it has re-opened after Katrina.

You are fortunate not to have known the Klinton AWB...:angry:

[HauptmannU]

Not all. It seems there are a few who are anti-gun.


They seem polite enough not to interject themselves here (for the most part), for which I am very grateful.

[ShawnLee]

Ahh...you're still lucky. I have yet to shoot anything full auto, except for that airsoft thing. A SAW would be very cool. Even a 3-burst M4 or other AR variant would be cool. There's a range somewhere around here that rents a full auto Uzi, but you have to buy THEIR ammo at THEIR ridiculously high prices to use it. And if you want to hold the trigger for a few seconds, that's it. Of course, it would be cool to use it as a 3 rounder or so, but if I had an Uzi in my hands, I'd be inclined to just let it spray.Ah yes. One of my favorite memories from the Army is the live fire range where I had ammo left over, so they had us get used to the concept of a full spray on an M-16. Thirty rounds fired so quickly that it made my head spin. Not quite fully automatic, but hey, when you just set off the trigger ten times, it's still cool.

On a happy note, I just bought myself a shotgun. I'm happy. And that's no April Fool's joke.

[clutchy]

They seem polite enough not to interject themselves here (for the most part), for which I am very grateful.


they did earlier in the thread before they got smacked by the owner of the site.



you know what they say about men who need to have guns...
its for their lack of confidence down below...
small penis likes big guns.
does it make you feel more like a man?


Ahh...you're still lucky. I have yet to shoot anything full auto, except for that airsoft thing. A SAW would be very cool. Even a 3-burst M4 or other AR variant would be cool. There's a range somewhere around here that rents a full auto Uzi, but you have to buy THEIR ammo at THEIR ridiculously high prices to use it. And if you want to hold the trigger for a few seconds, that's it. Of course, it would be cool to use it as a 3 rounder or so, but if I had an Uzi in my hands, I'd be inclined to just let it spray.

As I said before, the local range here has a regular who brings his Thompson. And I always miss him, as he lets people shoot it (at full auto).

At least here in LA, my weapons can carry more than 10 rounds. I never realized what a big deal that was until the AWB was lifted and I talked to friends in CA.


In texas about 10 years ago now, i was at the range with my uncle and there was a cop there with an MP5. He kept popping off 10 round mags full auto and finally asked me if i wanted to shoot it. I think i was 14 or so. I did and man it was unbelievable. I blinked and the gun was empty. Weirdest feeling having no recoil...

on a side note, i really have to get out of this state and get some 15rd. clips for my g19.

Do they sell the g18 in the states? i would assume not, but i wouldn't know...

[HauptmannU]

they did earlier in the thread before they got smacked by the owner of the site.

Yeah, that was my "for the most part" umm... part. Still, I am happy that the owner intervened. As for over-compensating, if that were true, I'd have the World's Smallest Penis! Becase, "I like big GUNS and I cannot lie...You other brothers can't DENY":D




Do they sell the g18 in the states? i would assume not, but i wouldn't know...

Sorry, the G18 in not available for transfer to citizens. It was developed after the 1986 ban on the importation and new manufacture of full-auto (Class III) weapons. The only way you could get your hands on one in this country is if you were a Class III dealer or a governmental agency such as a police dept or the military. You could always try enlisting...

The good news is you can relive your childhood experience. Full-auto HK MP5s and clones are LEAGALLY availible, depending on where you live however it costs $$$$$:fal:

[BigJon]

Here's mine:
http://bigjon.no-ip.org/photo/albums/jon_mando/normal_DSC01315.JPG

http://bigjon.no-ip.org/photo/albums/jon_mando/normal_DSC01058.JPG

http://bigjon.no-ip.org/photo/albums/jon_mando/normal_DSC01061.JPG

[Houdini]

I believe you are talking about Precision Firearms in Baton Rouge. FITS in Slidell has/had a suppressed UZI available for rental, but I don't know if it has re-opened after Katrina.

You are fortunate not to have known the Klinton AWB...:angry:

I haven't been to Precision yet, but I've heard they rent Class III also. I also never made it to FITZ, but I'd like to someday. I usually shoot at Shooters Club on David Drive or at Honey Island.

And yes, I did know the AWB. And it sucked. Pre-ban mags were $$ as hell. At least my new G19 (without the damn safety key, which is great) had the full-cap mags.




Sorry, the G18 in not available for transfer to citizens. It was developed after the 1986 ban on the importation and new manufacture of full-auto (Class III) weapons. The only way you could get your hands on one in this country is if you were a Class III dealer or a governmental agency such as a police dept or the military. You could always try enlisting...

The good news is you can relive your childhood experience. Full-auto HK MP5s and clones are LEAGALLY availible, depending on where you live however it costs $$$$$:fal:

I've heard that there are some ways to get around the ban, as in legal transferring from LEO to citizen (with local LEO approval and Classs III stamp,)

I'd like to get a pre-ban HK MP5, as the SW ones seem kinda cheapo to me. And they have different innards. But a pre-ban MP5 is very $$$. And you have to go through the same Class III process. Someday.....

Bump-firing a 10/22 is fun, though. As fast or nearly as fast as full-auto, but it takes a lot of practice. Empty a 10 round clip in about a second. Good thing .22 is cheap!

Another New Orleanean, eh? Nice to meet you. Heck, if you shoot at a range nearby I may even know you.

[ShawnLee]

Now... if you absolutely WANTED to shoot fully automatic and didn't care about safety, the law, or the gun being fired...

You could file away at a couple of small pieces in the innards on a MkII and that would make it a fully automatic 22LR pistol. Would I recommend this? No. Do I know how to do this? No. Have I seen it? No answer without judgment.

[clutchy]

Sorry, the G18 in not available for transfer to citizens. It was developed after the 1986 ban on the importation and new manufacture of full-auto (Class III) weapons. The only way you could get your hands on one in this country is if you were a Class III dealer or a governmental agency such as a police dept or the military. You could always try enlisting...

The good news is you can relive your childhood experience. Full-auto HK MP5s and clones are LEAGALLY availible, depending on where you live however it costs $$$$$:fal:



I just read up on the G18c, unbelievable. I'm in love with weapon that i can never own... i wonder if i could get a g17 and convert it... I mean uh use the g17 for target practice yeah... that's it.

[Houdini]

Now... if you absolutely WANTED to shoot fully automatic and didn't care about safety, the law, or the gun being fired...

You could file away at a couple of small pieces in the innards on a MkII and that would make it a fully automatic 22LR pistol. Would I recommend this? No. Do I know how to do this? No. Have I seen it? No answer without judgment.

Heh...I've thought about somehow jamming the firing pin on my Browning Buckmark to get the same effect. :) But I don't think it's worth it.


I just read up on the G18c, unbelievable. I'm in love with weapon that i can never own... i wonder if i could get a g17 and convert it... I mean uh use the g17 for target practice yeah... that's it.

I don't think the G17 or 19 or 26 could be easily converted. The parts are pretty cut-and-dry. You can get a GhostRocket or something to lessen trigger pull and overtravel, which helps with speed, though. Check out some videos on the net with people shooting the G18. The gun reallyl rocks, and from what I've heard, because it's a "C" it doesn't recoil (up) that badly.

[Agent Plissken]

I got my savage .17HMR! w/ Leupold VX-I 3-9x40 scope.
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/778/11je2.jpg

Accu-Trigger, VX-I scope.
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3369/27ej.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/550/36zh1.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7924/47se.jpg

This is 15 rounds (next to a bud light cap) from 25-30 yrds.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2179/57ar1.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6831/64op.jpg

This might be my favorite rifle already!

Hmmm ShawnLee.... Fully auto MKII?
That would be sweet!

[HauptmannU]

And yes, I did know the AWB. And it sucked. Pre-ban mags were $$ as hell.

You are fortunate that you came in at the tail end.



I've heard that there are some ways to get around the ban, as in legal transferring from LEO to citizen (with local LEO approval and Classs III stamp,)

Both people would be commiting crimes. You cannot transfer ANY post 1986 Class III to an individual.


I'd like to get a pre-ban HK MP5, as the SW ones seem kinda cheapo to me. And they have different innards. But a pre-ban MP5 is very $$$. And you have to go through the same Class III process. Someday.....

Bobcat Weapons out of AZ makes a pretty good clone. Much better than SW did. I also include HK's own HK94 in the MP5 clone category. It is different enough. A large percentage of the transferable Class III "MP5"s that available are HK94s with conversions.


Another New Orleanean, eh? Nice to meet you. Heck, if you shoot at a range nearby I may even know you.

I'm ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE you know me. Just NOT in the biblical sense.:laugh:

[HauptmannU]

Now... if you absolutely WANTED to shoot fully automatic and didn't care about safety, the law, or the gun being fired...

You could file away at a couple of small pieces in the innards on a MkII and that would make it a fully automatic 22LR pistol. Would I recommend this? No. Do I know how to do this? No. Have I seen it? No answer without judgment.


I just read up on the G18c, unbelievable. I'm in love with weapon that i can never own... i wonder if i could get a g17 and convert it... I mean uh use the g17 for target practice yeah... that's it.


These sound like GREAT ideas if you don't mind spending the next 10 years in PRISON with a with a starring role (Warren Beaty's character) in the nightly playing of "Deliverence", legal fines and fees that make the cost of an average SF Bay Area house look like CHUMP CHANGE, and you don't mind a new nickname such as "LEFTY" after 35,000 psi goes off in your hand because of a poorly timed bolt/slide. Also, let's talk medical bills...:nono: Not for me thanks.

[Houdini]

You are fortunate that you came in at the tail end.




Both people would be commiting crimes. You cannot transfer ANY post 1986 Class III to an individual.



Bobcat Weapons out of AZ makes a pretty good clone. Much better than SW did. I also include HK's own HK94 in the MP5 clone category. It is different enough. A large percentage of the transferable Class III "MP5"s that available are HK94s with conversions.



I'm ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE you know me. Just NOT in the biblical sense.:laugh:


Heh, I guess I'll take three guesses, and the first two don't count. AWB? damn fluctuations.

[HauptmannU]

I got my savage .17HMR! w/ Leupold VX-I 3-9x40 scope.

This might be my favorite rifle already!


Nice 17HMR Agent. In my experience with the caliber they are ACCURATE! At 100 yards it was so easy to hit, I felt like I was cheating... If the facilities are available to you, try stretching its legs out to 150 yards or so.


Heh, I guess I'll take three guesses, and the first two don't count. AWB? damn fluctuations.


You've kept talking about this forum, so I had to check it out. When I read about Agent's Rem 700 problem. I felt compelled.

[Houdini]

Nice 17HMR Agent. In my experience with the caliber they are ACCURATE! At 100 yards it was so easy to hit, I felt like I was cheating... If the facilities are available to you, try stretching its legs out to 150 yards or so.




You've kept talking about this forum, so I had to check it out. When I read about Agent's Rem 700 problem. I felt compelled.


Ah...
See you Monday morning then.

[Houdini]

Ah...
See you Monday morning then.


Hey all, allow me to introduce Haup. He is a good friend of mine. And he's now the resident (heh) gun expert, along with SL, of course. :)

[Jenny]

Oh! Welcome HauptmannU :)

[Agent Plissken]

Welcome Haup!

[clutchy]

These sound like GREAT ideas if you don't mind spending the next 10 years in PRISON with a with a starring role (Warren Beaty's character) in the nightly playing of "Deliverence", legal fines and fees that make the cost of an average SF Bay Area house look like CHUMP CHANGE, and you don't mind a new nickname such as "LEFTY" after 35,000 psi goes off in your hand because of a poorly timed bolt/slide. Also, let's talk medical bills...:nono: Not for me thanks.


heh, just a passing whimsical thought. I was reading that they changed the g18 just enough so that it would be hard to make a g17 into an 18. The slide is at a different height on the rail etc...

You really think they'd go after an othewise law-abiding citizen like that? I would assume they'd just take the gun away and give you a slap on the wrist...

[HauptmannU]

Thanks for the Welcome everyone. Just glad to be here.

[HauptmannU]

heh, just a passing whimsical thought. I was reading that they changed the g18 just enough so that it would be hard to make a g17 into an 18. The slide is at a different height on the rail etc...

While I don't have detailed knowledge RE the differences between G17 and G18, I do know that there is a company that markets a conversion for POLICE AND GOVT AGENCIES ONLY. It replaces the striker plate on the rear of the slide. Here is a link to their promo video.
http://www.fss-g.com/fss-g.mpeg


You really think they'd go after an othewise law-abiding citizen like that? I would assume they'd just take the gun away and give you a slap on the wrist...

Part of my answer was hyperbole, however, US Sentencing Guidelines REQUIRE prison time even for 1st offenders with no criminal record. The Feds don't play...

[HauptmannU]

And he's now the resident (heh) gun expert


Hah, good 1

[Houdini]

Hah, good 1

I try. :) And others here will figure it out too.

[ShawnLee]

So another shooting doc? Sweet.

[speedracer120]

http://www.fss-g.com/fss-g.mpeg


Damn, that looks fun but pointless. Unless the perp is at point blank range I don't think it'd be useful.

[HauptmannU]

Damn, that looks fun but pointless. Unless the perp is at point blank range I don't think it'd be useful.


Good way to get rid of all that extra 9mm ammo one has lying around...QUICKLY!


I would certainly go broke feeding that thing.


So another shooting doc? Sweet.


Ahh, if only someone would pay me to shoot...:johnwoo2:

[ShawnLee]

And he's now the resident (heh) gun expert, along with SL, of course. :)I already told Houdini this, but I figured I should say it out here too. I'm hardly an expert. Just an enthusiast with miles more to go and much more to learn.

That said, I took apart my shotgun today and it's pretty nice. It's a Remington 870 knockoff clone called Hawk, made by the Chinese. Despite my dislike of Red Commies, it's a decent gun and looks like it'd be fairly easy to maintain. Sweet.
Ahh, if only someone would pay me to shoot...:johnwoo2:Yeah... My part time job at the range is as close as I can get to that.

[oblongmelon]

Mmm... P99. I keep going back and forth on them. Sometimes they're great, sometimes I don't like 'em.

I'm jealous of the LE M4. I won't say anything about California's gun laws here since it's not the Political forum, but methinks y'all can guess what I'd say. Or find one of my previous posts regarding them.

Anyhow, here's a repost of my gun pics. Me from last month.
http://x60.xanga.com/7b4b3a64d9d3231839647/b22163097.jpg
Beretta 96 (40S&W) Centurion on the left (in my right hand). HK USP full size 9mm on the right (in my left hand).

Ah... I miss my facial hair.

This photo would have been kind of "dangerous" had it not been for the fact you have a chirping bird clock and stuffed animals behind you..(HAHAHAHAHAHA)..

[HauptmannU]

I already told Houdini this, but I figured I should say it out here too. I'm hardly an expert. Just an enthusiast with miles more to go and much more to learn.

Houdini told me offline that you are pretty knowledgable, and a general all around good joe. I'm sure we all have much to learn, but the good thing is you are willing to share your knowledge with others.


That said, I took apart my shotgun today and it's pretty nice. It's a Remington 870 knockoff clone called Hawk, made by the Chinese. Despite my dislike of Red Commies, it's a decent gun and looks like it'd be fairly easy to maintain.

Rem 870 clone? I've never heard of it. Who is the importer? How close to spec is it? Can it accept the myriad of Rem 870 accessories? Is the receiver made of steel like the 870? Inquiring minds want to know...

[Cheesypuff]

hey clutchy...how much did you pay for the glock 19? I went to the gun store today, and it was priced at $529 good price? I'm thinking about buying that one.

[HauptmannU]

hey clutchy...how much did you pay for the glock 19? I went to the gun store today, and it was priced at $529 good price? I'm thinking about buying that one.


I know I'm not clutchy, but they are going for $519 at a local gun store here in this part of LA.

[Agent Plissken]

I think they go for even less in Alabama, I would have to check to be sure though...

[Cheesypuff]

oh no worries hauptmannU, your input is well taken :) I just wanted to know a benchmark on what I should look for pricewise in a gun.

[clutchy]

hey clutchy...how much did you pay for the glock 19? I went to the gun store today, and it was priced at $529 good price? I'm thinking about buying that one.


cheese! yeah i got mine for $380 no clips. It was previously owned but never fired. The guy only had 2 pre-ban clips so he couldn't transfer them to me. I went out and bought a couple so it ended being $415 or so.

It was one of those finds you just can't pass up. I really like mine, suprisingly accurate for the barrel length. If you're in texas grab yourself a couple of those 15rd. clips for it, you can't beat packing 15 shots in this little plincker.


I don't think there is a pistol out there that i would rather have, except the g18, or maybe a little S&W boot gun, or hand cannon. As far as practicality though, this gun wins hands down. Just keep it lubed and kinda clean and it will treat you right. Learned that the hard way, putting 700rds. through it w/o cleaning it. I went out to the range and near the end of the day it was jamming every single shot. I guess the chamber ramp is a little temperamental with carbon build up... no big deal just a metal bristle away from full functionality.

great gun.

[ShawnLee]

This photo would have been kind of "dangerous" had it not been for the fact you have a chirping bird clock and stuffed animals behind you..(HAHAHAHAHAHA)..:PAh... those aren't an issue so much as the Sunday school t-shirt I'm wearing (Building Character Like Jesus ;)).
Houdini told me offline that you are pretty knowledgable, and a general all around good joe. I'm sure we all have much to learn, but the good thing is you are willing to share your knowledge with others.Indeed. I'm honored to be an all around good joe.
Rem 870 clone? I've never heard of it. Who is the importer? How close to spec is it? Can it accept the myriad of Rem 870 accessories? Is the receiver made of steel like the 870? Inquiring minds want to know...It's a Chinese knockoff named Hawk. I googled it but couldn't find much info. It is, as far as I can tell, fitting all Remington 870 accesories and seems to be reverse-engineered from Remington's newer models. It all looks pretty much the same but don't quote me on anything just yet.
hey clutchy...how much did you pay for the glock 19? I went to the gun store today, and it was priced at $529 good price? I'm thinking about buying that one.If you want, I can PM you a quote for a Glock 19. Just give me a day or so to get it. Specify accesories or anything else.
It was one of those finds you just can't pass up. I really like mine, suprisingly accurate for the barrel length. If you're in texas grab yourself a couple of those 15rd. clips for it, you can't beat packing 15 shots in this little plincker.While I'm all for that (in theory) I would still like to note that transporting any magazine into the state that is not 10 rounds or less is illegal. Even if you owned it before the ban. You can only legally have it if you had it in the state before the ban. I just don't want anyone being ignorant about the law.

[Cheesypuff]

ygpm!!!! thx mucho!

[HauptmannU]

Cheesy, I'm a big Glock fan, and given that it fits your had well, they are adequately accurate, reliable, and durable. I don't think you can go wrong with one. I hear that the 19 is Glock's #1 seller. $529 sounds like a fair price, but I haven't bought a firearm in CA in the past 10 years.


I would still like to note that transporting any magazine into the state that is not 10 rounds or less is illegal. Even if you owned it before the ban. You can only legally have it if you had it in the state before the ban. I just don't want anyone being ignorant about the law.

:agree: I'm glad you brought that up...We want to keep things legal. However, it sucks that Californians have to put up with crippled mags. I'd add more, but this isn't a political thread...:bigmouth:

[Houdini]

:agree: I'm glad you brought that up...We want to keep things legal. However, it sucks that have to put up with crippled mags. I'd add more, but this isn't a political thread...:bigmouth:

Yeah, you Californians have it pretty rough. The 10 round max is stupid, and the recent move by the Governator to outlaw .50 cal rifles is stupid too. And you can't get a CCW unless you're a celebrity, a celebrity's bodyguard, or a senator...

[clutchy]

Yeah, you Californians have it pretty rough. The 10 round max is stupid, and the recent move by the Governator to outlaw .50 cal rifles is stupid too. And you can't get a CCW unless you're a celebrity, a celebrity's bodyguard, or a senator...


The only thing i'm really nervous about is not getting out of this state quick enough before they reinstate the assault weapons ban. I can't see it on the horizon in the next 2-3 years but after that it's whoever's guess... I guess I could just register myself at one of my relatives houses... who knows. I really want an AR-15 and some big mags for my glock.

[ShawnLee]

Cheesy, I'm a big Glock fan, and given that it fits your had well, they are adequately accurate, reliable, and durable. I don't think you can go wrong with one. I hear that the 19 is Glock's #1 seller.Glocks are nice and all, but if I may ask, why a 19? I'd prefer a full-sized 17. I find the 19, because it is small, isn't as comfortable. If you like it, by all means, but I like the comfort of the full size. Especially since we in California aren't likely to get CCW's, the need for a compact is really minimized in my book.

[Houdini]

Glocks are nice and all, but if I may ask, why a 19? I'd prefer a full-sized 17. I find the 19, because it is small, isn't as comfortable. If you like it, by all means, but I like the comfort of the full size. Especially since we in California aren't likely to get CCW's, the need for a compact is really minimized in my book.


The 19 is a nice compromise b/w the 17 and the 26. I really like the 26, but I have a 19 so I can enjoy the longer sight radius and bigger mag capacity for competitions, etc, but I can still carry it without much difficulty. :shrug:

[Agent Plissken]

My next glock will be the Glock 22.

[HauptmannU]

Glocks are nice and all, but if I may ask, why a 19? I'd prefer a full-sized 17. I find the 19, because it is small, isn't as comfortable. If you like it, by all means, but I like the comfort of the full size. Especially since we in California aren't likely to get CCW's, the need for a compact is really minimized in my book.


The 19 is a nice compromise b/w the 17 and the 26. I can enjoy the longer sight radius and bigger mag capacity for competitions, etc, but I can still carry it without much difficulty.

:stupid: The G19 strikes a good balance between capacity, handling characteristics, sight radius, affordablility of ammo, and concealability. If you were only going to own one Glock, the 19 would be a good choice. However, as you stated Shawn, if you have no intention of carrying concealed, the G17, G17L or a G34 would be a better choice.

[HauptmannU]

The only thing i'm really nervous about is not getting out of this state quick enough before they reinstate the assault weapons ban. I can't see it on the horizon in the next 2-3 years but after that it's whoever's guess... I guess I could just register myself at one of my relatives houses... who knows. I really want an AR-15 and some big mags for my glock.


I feel your pain clutchy. I agree with you that the magazine ban and AWB will come back sometime in the near future. I hope we can keep enough gun-rights supporters in Congress to stave it off. If I ever move back to CA I'd have to leave a lot of my stuff behind (or cache it just short of the state line, heh).

[clutchy]

I feel your pain clutchy. I agree with you that the magazine ban and AWB will come back sometime in the near future. I hope we can keep enough gun-rights supporters in Congress to stave it off. If I ever move back to CA I'd have to leave a lot of my stuff behind (or cache it just short of the state line, heh).

it's bummer for sure. I can believe they'd make you leave pre-ban stuff out when you come back in... ridiculous. Although california is ridiculous in alot of other ways as well... so this is hardly a surprise...

[Cheesypuff]

I went to another gun store today, he says they're getting a shipment of glock 19's in on friday. And he also said he's getting a shipment of beretta px4 storms on friday also. he's selling the glock for $525, and the px4 storm for $495. I've had my eye on the px4 storm for LONG TIME. can you guys tell me your opinon of the px4 storm?

[chadlnc]

I went to another gun store today, he says they're getting a shipment of glock 19's in on friday. And he also said he's getting a shipment of beretta px4 storms on friday also. he's selling the glock for $525, and the px4 storm for $495. I've had my eye on the px4 storm for LONG TIME. can you guys tell me your opinon of the px4 storm?

I have both a Glock G19 and a PX4 Storm (.40cal.). I really like both. If you're not used to a DA/SA gun the Storm may take a little getting used to. Overall the accuracy and reliability of the Storm has been great. I've put about 1000 rounds through it so far.

[JackHammer]

I want to get my permit to own a handgun and I live in NYC. I know it's gonna be a bitch but I'm willing to go through the motion. I am eyeing the P99. They come in different varieties. Can anyone school me in the different calibers. Thanks.

[HauptmannU]

I've had my eye on the px4 storm for LONG TIME. can you guys tell me your opinon of the px4 storm?

For those who wan to see a pic of the PX4: http://www.px4storm.com/index.aspx?m=53&did=55

Overall, my impression of the gun is pretty good. Ergonomics are good, even though I'm not a big fan of the slide mounted decocker/safety. I prefer frame mounted safeties like those on 1911s, however the safety on the PX4 is wedge-shaped making it much easier to operate. I also like the interchangeable backstraps. The rotating barrel design has been around a long time and has been recently used on the Cougar line of Berretta pistols. The triggers I've felt are pretty good in both double and single actions. I think the pistol is stylish, I heard it was designed by the same firm that designed Maserati cars. On of the local Sheriff's Offices are trading in their Beretta 92s for the PX4 Storm


I want to get my permit to own a handgun and I live in NYC.

Good luck with that.

[quote=JackHammer]I am eyeing the P99. They come in different varieties. Can anyone school me in the different calibers. Thanks.

Are you looking at Walther or S&W P99s? I've really only had experience with the Walther version, but the two pistols are nearly identical. The ones I've shot were accurate and reliable. I don't favor the lever style magazine release, but working with a similiar system on the HK USP made me appreciate how easy it could be. Nothing wrong with it, just different than what I'm used to. I also favor the QA (quick action) version of trigger system over the DAO and traditional double/single.

Calibers:

9 x 19 mm- The world standard. Readily available ammo, anywhere. Light recoil, enough "oomph" to get the job done. (would however limit myself to good hollow points for those "social situations". Best of all, it is the best training value for your dollar. 50 round box of CCI Blazer ammo is $4.86 at my local sporting goods store. This is about 1/2-1/3 of the price of other defensive calibers. The best pistol in the world is no good if you can't hit with it, and to get good you have to practice. One won't practice if it costs too much.

.40 S&W - Good compromise caliber. Fits into guns that are the same size as 9mm, but with more punch. Magazine capacity, as one could guess is intermediate between 9 mm and 45ACP. Recoil is "snappy". Many police departments use this caliber. Training ammo costs about the same as 45ACP.

.45 ACP - This caliber is only available in the S&W version of the P99 series of pistols. No one argues the effectiveness of this caliber, though a good hollow point is still advisable. Recoil is manageable, I describe it more of a "push" than the "snap" of high-pressure calibers. Ammo is the most expensive of the 3 mentioned. Lowest magazine capacity usually about 9 rounds.

Whew:thud:, hope this helps!

[ShawnLee]

Are you looking at Walther or S&W P99s? I've really only had experience with the Walther version, but the two pistols are nearly identical. The ones I've shot were accurate and reliable.Not to nitpick, but this is the only small note I have to make. I think we already posed a small bit on this but.. Yeah, having shot both (and knowing that both models are partly made by Walther and partly made by S&W) they shoot the exact same, as much as any two identical guns can shoot.

In fact, and not to knock my H&K, I've found more difference shooting another USP and mine than I have shooting the Walther vs. S&W 99's.

[JackHammer]

Does anyone have any experience about going through the procedure on getting a permit in NYC. I know there are gun shops that will train you and then work with you to get the permit.

[clutchy]

Does anyone have any experience about going through the procedure on getting a permit in NYC. I know there are gun shops that will train you and then work with you to get the permit.


I have no idea man, but it can't be a big deal. You just have to take a written test out here in California in order to own. Carrying is a completely different story. You just want to own right? I don't think it'll be a big deal, just go to a gun shop they'll walk you through it.

[Cheesypuff]

true that y ou only have to take a test! I'm taking my test this friday! ($25).

If you pass the test...it's good for 5 years.

so total, if I decide to buy the px4 storm 9mm it's gonna cost me

25 - test
25 - background check
495 - px4 storm (with 8% tax)
38.60 - tax

total - $583.60 out of door cost! we'll see!

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9128/015vs.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8792/px4storm12rq.jpg

[ShawnLee]

Does anyone have any experience about going through the procedure on getting a permit in NYC. I know there are gun shops that will train you and then work with you to get the permit.When in doubt... www.packing.org (http://www.packing.org). It's a CCW site, but lot's of good links, like this one to the NYPD licensing division.
http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/html/dclm/ldinfo.html
true that y ou only have to take a test! I'm taking my test this friday! ($25).

If you pass the test...it's good for 5 years.Being a legal administrator for that test, i.e. a CA state approved handgun instructor, I will say this: If you fail, I'll laugh at you so hard that you'll hear it up north all the way from down here in So Cal. Haha. Just read up on some basic gun laws and basic gun safety. No worries, you can miss up to seven questions. It's too easy.

so total, if I decide to buy the px4 storm 9mm it's gonna cost me

25 - test
25 - background check
495 - px4 storm (with 8% tax)
38.60 - tax

total - $583.60Ah, such is retail work.

[Cheesypuff]

so shawnlee, you think thats a good price for the px4 storm?

[ShawnLee]

Honestly, I don't know. If you're asking me to quote-check for you to comparison shop, give me a little time.

[Cheesypuff]

oh no...the price quote you gave me for the glock 19, the out of door price was more then the px4 storm. I'm just assuming this is a good sale.

retail, the px4 storm usually cost around $545 or so. my local gun store is just having a sale on the storms right now. you don't need to quote check! thx for quote for the glock! I've learn lots from your aura of gun knowledge.

[Houdini]

9 x 19 mm- The world standard. Readily available ammo, anywhere. Light recoil, enough "oomph" to get the job done. (would however limit myself to good hollow points for those "social situations". Best of all, it is the best training value for your dollar. 50 round box of CCI Blazer ammo is $4.86 at my local sporting goods store. This is about 1/2-1/3 of the price of other defensive calibers. The best pistol in the world is no good if you can't hit with it, and to get good you have to practice. One won't practice if it costs too much.


Actually, it's $3.86/box, last I checked, and I stocked up on some. El cheapo. But it's not bad ammo, especially for the price. Who cares about aluminum casings? It's not worth reloading at that price anyway...

[Cheesypuff]

Being a legal administrator for that test, i.e. a CA state approved handgun instructor, I will say this: If you fail, I'll laugh at you so hard that you'll hear it up north all the way from down here in So Cal. Haha. Just read up on some basic gun laws and basic gun safety. No worries, you can miss up to seven questions. It's too easy.


so it's an easy test? I'm looking over the safety booklet, and everything looks pretty common sense. I actually look and do the section quiz first, and then read the section. when I do the quiz, out of the 25 questions done so far, I've missed one. Is the test really as easy as it is in the booklet?:wow:

[IrishSS]

Actually, it's $3.86/box, last I checked, and I stocked up on some. El cheapo. But it's not bad ammo, especially for the price. Who cares about aluminum casings? It's not worth reloading at that price anyway...

I don't care about reloading, but I definitely dont want to be running steel or aluminum casings through my gun. Call it old world superstition or just plain stupidity, but I will always run brass shells through my weapons.

[HauptmannU]

I'm just assuming this is a good sale.

$495 is a good price. Here in the New Orleans area the PX4 is going for $529.


Actually, it's $3.86/box, last I checked, and I stocked up on some.

I went 2 weeks ago and it had gone up a dollar/box.


I don't care about reloading, but I definitely dont want to be running steel or aluminum casings through my gun. Call it old world superstition or just plain stupidity, but I will always run brass shells through my weapons.

While I can understand and respect your decision to only run brass, I remember the level of concern voiced almost 20 years ago re: aluminum cased Blazer ammo, and so far I have found no reason to think it harmful or dangerous. On the other hand, I limit my use of lacquer-coated steel cased ammo to my "less expensive" guns b/c of the potential for lacquer build up in the chamber area of the barrel. I haven't a lot of experience with the polymer-coated steel cased Wolf brand ammo, but from the reviews I read it fixed the main deficiency associated with the laquer coating.

[Houdini]

I went 2 weeks ago and it had gone up a dollar/box.

That sux, but it's still better than most prices.



While I can understand and respect your decision to only run brass, I remember the level of concern voiced almost 20 years ago re: aluminum cased Blazer ammo, and so far I have found no reason to think it harmful or dangerous. On the other hand, I limit my use of lacquer-coated steel cased ammo to my "less expensive" guns b/c of the potential for lacquer build up in the chamber area of the barrel. I haven't a lot of experience with the polymer-coated steel cased Wolf brand ammo, but from the reviews I read it fixed the main deficiency associated with the laquer coating.

:stupid: But Wolf stinks. Bad. The aluminum cased Blazer stuff has given me no problems, seems to fead very well, and is a reliable caliber for practice. Also, it's almost odorless (compared to other, especially cheap stuff.) I really doubt it would mess up any guns. Haup and I have shot thousands of rounds of it w/o any problems.

[IrishSS]

I've also heard nothing but bad thigns about Wolf ammunition....

But, you comments on the Blazer stuff intrigue me. Alas, I'd hate to mess up my nice expensive Walther or even my M4 just cause I saved a couple of bucks on ammo.

[HauptmannU]

I've also heard nothing but bad thigns about Wolf ammunition....

I agree with Houdini, Wolf ammo smells bad (when you shoot it, not sitting in the box of course. I think Silver Bear smells worse), fouls your firearm more than most other ammo, but functions well. Accuracy is variable, but is good enough for informal target practice. My personal Glock shot it very well. Plus it is inexpensive. I don't shoot it anymore b/c I can buy CCI Blazer cheaper at my local sporting goods store, plus it is less dirty and stinky.


But, you comments on the Blazer stuff intrigue me. Alas, I'd hate to mess up my nice expensive Walther or even my M4 just cause I saved a couple of bucks on ammo.

I wouldn't worry about shooting the Blazer ammo. It has been around for 25 years and has been a proven performer.

[Houdini]

I wouldn't worry about shooting the Blazer ammo. It has been around for 25 years and has been a proven performer.

Heh...forgot about silver bear. It is worse. But Wolf is pretty bad.

CCI is pretty good stuff. I'd encourage any 9mm enthusiast to give it a shot, so to speak. I've never had any problems with it, and it is predictably accurate, etc. I've never noticed any strange residue or excess barrel fouling. :shrug:

[ShawnLee]

I've loved every round of CCI Blazer I've shot. It was fun, easy, and quite light. Honestly, if they made aluminum cased self-defense loads, I don't think I'd mind shooting it.

Unfortuntately, the price on it went up from when i bought a case. The cheapest I can find is 7.50 for a box of 50 at cheaperthandirt.com. Here in So Cal, I like the Ammo Bros in Cerritos. They have their reloads and new ammo for fairly cheap prices, assuming you buy in bulk like me, 500 or 1,000rds. at a time.

so it's an easy test? I'm looking over the safety booklet, and everything looks pretty common sense. I actually look and do the section quiz first, and then read the section. when I do the quiz, out of the 25 questions done so far, I've missed one. Is the test really as easy as it is in the booklet?:wow:I think they make the booklet harder than the actual test, haha. You'll have no problem getting the HSC. They make the thing way too easy for something they claim is supposed to be to standardize minimum knowledge. I've seen non-shooters with no experience pass it. It's just a twenty-five dollar tax on shooters so the state government can make it that much harder to buy a gun.

Fortunately for me, I've never paid for it! Haha! Gotta love being exempt!

[clutchy]

I've also heard nothing but bad thigns about Wolf ammunition....

But, you comments on the Blazer stuff intrigue me. Alas, I'd hate to mess up my nice expensive Walther or even my M4 just cause I saved a couple of bucks on ammo.


I have heard horrible things about WOLF ammo. A guy at my range had a shell detonate in his gun, and it exploded his face and hand(safety goggles saved his eye). The range i work at even has a big warning about the stuff posted and they won't let you shoot it there.

wolf=bad


so it's an easy test? I'm looking over the safety booklet, and everything looks pretty common sense. I actually look and do the section quiz first, and then read the section. when I do the quiz, out of the 25 questions done so far, I've missed one. Is the test really as easy as it is in the booklet?:wow:


it's a joke, i read the book for 10 minutes and then missed one. I guess felons can't ever own a gun...

[Houdini]

I have heard horrible things about WOLF ammo. A guy at my range had a shell detonate in his gun, and it exploded his face and hand(safety goggles saved his eye). The range i work at even has a big warning about the stuff posted and they won't let you shoot it there.

wolf=bad



I haven't heard of that happening with Wolf ammo any more than any other ammo. Are you sure the guy wasn't shooting some reloads with "a little extra powder?" I've found that Wolf works, has pretty light recoil, etc. It just stinks and makes a mess in your gun. Then again, you should be cleaning your gun anyway.

Still, I'll continue to stock up on and shoot CCI Blazer before they raise the price again.

[clutchy]

I haven't heard of that happening with Wolf ammo any more than any other ammo. Are you sure the guy wasn't shooting some reloads with "a little extra powder?" I've found that Wolf works, has pretty light recoil, etc. It just stinks and makes a mess in your gun. Then again, you should be cleaning your gun anyway.

Still, I'll continue to stock up on and shoot CCI Blazer before they raise the price again.


Who knows Houdini, this is all second hand information from the owner of the range i frequent. Maybe he just doesn't want stinky dirty rounds in his range. I don't have any reason to mistrust him though...

[HauptmannU]

I have heard horrible things about WOLF ammo. A guy at my range had a shell detonate in his gun, and it exploded his face and hand(safety goggles saved his eye). The range i work at even has a big warning about the stuff posted and they won't let you shoot it there.

I have heard of kaBooms involving factory loads from many different manufacturers (Federal, Winchester, Speer, PMC, Wolf, etc.) for different reasons (firing out of battery, barrel obsturction, bullet setback on feeding) and some kBs are of unknown causes perhaps ammunition related and perhaps not. Unfortunately they happen. I'm glad that the guy in your story was wearing protective eyeglasses and hope he wasn't badly hurt.

As for banning the use of certain ammo, there are also many reasons. Most likely is that the range makes money on the recycled brass. Having steel and aluminum cases in the mix forces them to take the time to seperate the brass from the non-brass. Plus, if the range makes money on ammunition sales the profit margin of brass cases is even higher. They make a profit selling it to you and they profit from reselling it after you're done. Some ranges prohibit the picking up of brass, even if it is yours. My point is it may not be about the quality of product that moves them to prohibit it's use.

One more thing, Wolf Match Target .22 LR ammunition is GOOD STUFF. Accurate, brass cased, made in Germany, and reasonably priced. As a bonus it makes me wax nostalgic because it smells like the Eley ammunition I used to shoot in ROTC! Ahhh...

[ShawnLee]

As for banning the use of certain ammo, there are also many reasons. Most likely is that the range makes money on the recycled brass. Having steel and aluminum cases in the mix forces them to take the time to seperate the brass from the non-brass. Plus, if the range makes money on ammunition sales the profit margin of brass cases is even higher. They make a profit selling it to you and they profit from reselling it after you're done. Some ranges prohibit the picking up of brass, even if it is yours. My point is it may not be about the quality of product that moves them to prohibit it's use.

One more thing, Wolf Match Target .22 LR ammunition is GOOD STUFF. Accurate, brass cased, made in Germany, and reasonably priced. As a bonus it makes me wax nostalgic because it smells like the Eley ammunition I used to shoot in ROTC! Ahhh...While the reloading is a part of it, it's not major. For example, we allow CCI Blazer, even though that's not reloadable by a long shot.

No, for us, Wolf is a safety and quality concern issue. We've had hangfires, and once is enough for us.

As for their 22LR, yes, it's good stuff. Not made in Russia and clean (relatively).

[welfareloser]

here's my one and only gun pic... shewtin clay pigeons on gramma's farm...

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jhlarson/www/Apr08%2601.JPG

i believe it's called a "rifle" or somethin :P

(and before anyone says i look fat in that pic... i was 5 or 6 months pregnant with the twins in that shot, so shaddap :P )

[HauptmannU]

No, for us, Wolf is a safety and quality concern issue. We've had hangfires, and once is enough for us.

SL, at least your range has a reason to prohibit Wolf. Often it is a knee-jerk reaction to hearsay information. In my experience, hangfires are rare occurences with modern smokeless ammunition, and ammo from any manufacturer has the potential to hang. Does your range also prohibit Barnaul, or the "Bear" line of ammunition (Made by Barnaul, Ulyanovsk, or Novosibirsk plants)? Wolf ammo is just one of those topics that seems to polarize people's opinions, so to each their own. It's all good...:shakehand:


here's my one and only gun pic... shewtin clay pigeons on gramma's farm...

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jhlarson/www/Apr08%2601.JPG

i believe it's called a "rifle" or somethin :P

(and before anyone says i look fat in that pic... i was 5 or 6 months pregnant with the twins in that shot, so shaddap :P )


If those yellow hulls on the ground are yours, then it looks like you have a 20 ga. Remington 1100 or 11/87. Nice shotgun.:thumbup:


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[Cheesypuff]

wow...that must have left your sholder sore.

[Yossarian]

only because of how high shes holding it

[Houdini]

only because of how high shes holding it

Yeah, her position isn't quite right for shooting shotguns. Then again, I have a tendency to start leaning back after a while too. Trying to stop that.

BTW, WL...that's a shotgun, not a rifle. :)

[Yossarian]

her stance isn't too bad, the stock is too high on the shoulder, nice and prime to pop a collar bone

[HauptmannU]

I think she is trying to sight down the barrel using her left eye while holding the gun right handed. That would explain why her head is so far back and her positioning looks awkward.

Gotta run, my turn to go out and break some clays...:D

[welfareloser]

BTW, WL...that's a shotgun, not a rifle. :)

okay. whateva :P i'll just call it a "gun" from now on.

basic problem was that the gun was too big for me, the pic was at the end of the day when i was tired, and my center of gravity (and balance) were all fugged but the extra 20-30 lbs about the middle. turns out i'm a good shot, tho. guess nintendo was good for something :P

[Ladogaboy]

I wouldn't say it was too high, CPU... if anything wfl is holding it too far down her arm. Look at how far her head is cocked. It's hard to tell with that jacket, but rather than actually having the gun on the meat of the deltoid, she looks like she is resting the butt against the upper part of her bicep. HauptmannU may be right about her sighting as well.

[Houdini]

I wouldn't say it was too high, CPU... if anything wfl is holding it too far down her arm. Look at how far her head is cocked. It's hard to tell with that jacket, but rather than actually having the gun on the meat of the deltoid, she looks like she is resting the butt against the upper part of her bicep. HauptmannU may be right about her sighting as well.

Well, the gun shouldn't be against the deltoid, per se, but right against the top of the pectoral muscle, but, yes, she should be holding it a little higher. No likelihood of collarbone damage. The main thing, like Haup said is that she's shooting right-handed and sighting with her left eye. That's why it looks awkward. WL is likely left-eye-dominant, so it seemed natural to her.

Good things she was shooting 20 gauge though, 12 might have hurt in that position. WL, if you ever go for shooting clays again, try shooting left-handed. :) And lean into the gun, rather than leaning back.

[Ladogaboy]

Well, the gun shouldn't be against the deltoid, per se, but right against the top of the pectoral muscle, but, yes, she should be holding it a little higher.

You know what I meant. :P



Good things she was shooting 20 gauge though, 12 might have hurt in that position. WL, if you ever go for shooting clays again, try shooting left-handed. :) And lean into the gun, rather than leaning back.

I wouldn't recommend that she try and shoot that gun left-handed though. It looks like an auto, and depending on how it ejects the shells, she might plant one on her forehead.

[Houdini]

I wouldn't recommend that she try and shoot that gun left-handed though. It looks like an auto, and depending on how it ejects the shells, she might plant one on her forehead.

True, it might, but a 20 gauge hull wouldn't hurt that much. :)

Either way, I bet anything she's left-eye dominant. Otherwise she wouldn't be sighting that way.

[ShawnLee]

I'm with you on the cross eye-hand dominance. I'm that way.

[HauptmannU]

I'm with you on the cross eye-hand dominance. I'm that way.


Me too. I'm cross dominant and I often shoot better from the left side. If WL is new to wingshooting, she should try shooting left handed.

[Agent Plissken]

WL, hold both hands together in front of you, arms fully extended, centered in front of your body. Make a small opening in your hands and center an object in the distance in the opening of your hands. The object should fill up most of the viewing space of your hole. Now close each eye separately, the eye that still has the object centered when opened is your dominant eye!

I am right eye dominant.

[HauptmannU]

WL, hold both hands together in front of you, arms fully extended, centered in front of your body. Make a small opening in your hands and center an object in the distance in the opening of your hands. The object should fill up most of the viewing space of your hole. Now close each eye separately, the eye that still has the object centered when opened is your dominant eye!


:agree: I've found this trick easiest with a partner. Instead of looking through your hands at an object in the distance, center your partner's head in the small opening (keeping both eyes open of course). Your partner can then see which eye is dominant (he/she will see the dominant eye through the opening in your hands).

[welfareloser]

WL, hold both hands together in front of you, arms fully extended, centered in front of your body. Make a small opening in your hands and center an object in the distance in the opening of your hands. The object should fill up most of the viewing space of your hole. Now close each eye separately, the eye that still has the object centered when opened is your dominant eye!

I am right eye dominant.

huh. how bout dat. neat trick. left eye, all the way. is it normal to be left-eyed and right-handed? though i'm kinda ambidextrous... i bat left... my left foot generally runs the show...

i should have guessed that, given that i have massive peripheral vision on my left (i can damn near see the back of my own head) and virtually none on my right (can barely see the right side of my face in the mirror.) i could never be an astronaut...

[HauptmannU]

huh. how bout dat. neat trick. left eye, all the way. is it normal to be left-eyed and right-handed?

Being cross dominant is quite common. If you can swing it, shooting from the left shoulder would be your best solution. If you are already set in your right-handed ways, you could place a small piece of fosted scotch tape on your shooting glasses. The tape should be just large enough to obsucure your central vision, but leave you with your freakishly large peripherial vision. :P OR you can tell me to shut up and go pound sand...

[Houdini]

Being cross dominant is quite common. If you can swing it, shooting from the left shoulder would be your best solution. If you are already set in your right-handed ways, you could place a small piece of fosted scotch tape on your shooting glasses. The tape should be just large enough to obsucure your central vision, but leave you with your freakishly large peripherial vision. :P OR you can tell me to shut up and go pound sand...

Shut up and go pound sand!

j/k

The tape solution is good. I use it for shooting sometimes just to get out of the habit of closing my left eye or squinting. And I'll remember not to approach WL from her left side...

[cocojambo]

damn thats a ton of guns you got

[ShawnLee]

damn thats a ton of guns you gotI heard someone ask why folks would advertise that they have guns. Someone else answered that the more people that knew that he had guns, the less people would want to mess with him. I think that's as simple as it gets.

[HauptmannU]

damn thats a ton of guns you got

"If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. That's ridiculous. If I have a gun, what in the hell do I have to be paranoid about?"

-Clint Smith


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[HauptmannU]

I love this one...

http://www.hkweaponsystems.com/images/quotes/sfreud.jpg


"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity"

-Sigmund Freud from "General Introduction to Psychoanalysis"

:nuts:

[IrishSS]

A quick pic from this past weekend... Shooting trap with some friends. Also shot the handguns and the rifles, but the pics of those aren't terribly interesting.

http://www.teamfcf.com/badkarma/trap.JPG

It's funny... I have nearly no pics of ME shooting. I'm always the one who brings the camera and remembers to take pictures... go figure.

Anybody have a recommendation for a nice .308? Nothing more than simple distance (300-1000 yds) shooting with some friends. I don't hunt, so weight doesn't matter... I was looking at the Springfield M21, but jebus, I really don't want to drop $2000 on a rifle I'll shoot once a month maybe. I know it's a proven shooter and accurate as hell though...

I saw an article on an FN one in Guns and Ammo or something... $900. Can't remember the name. Also found a place... www.tacticalrifles.net (http://www.tacticalrifles.com) - That sells nicer models of basically sniper rifles. They had a nice M40 there.

Suggestions?

[Agent Plissken]

I love this one...

http://www.hkweaponsystems.com/images/quotes/sfreud.jpg


"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity"

-Sigmund Freud from "General Introduction to Psychoanalysis"

:nuts:

:laugh: Thats funny! I always thought Freud was kind of whack, but I cant argue with that!


:fal: :ugh:

[clutchy]

I love this one...

http://www.hkweaponsystems.com/images/quotes/sfreud.jpg


"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity"

-Sigmund Freud from "General Introduction to Psychoanalysis"

:nuts:


so basically what freud is saying is the opposite of the anti-gun nuts. It's a FEAR of weapons that have a slower maturing emotional and sexual being, and not small penis syndrome for gun toters. That's interesting.

Freud is my favorite guy from my psych studies i don't know how i missed that...

every time i pop into this thread i want to holster up my glock and take a stroll around the neighborhood...

[Houdini]

every time i pop into this thread i want to holster up my glock and take a stroll around the neighborhood...

:heh: Sounds like a good idea! :shifty:

And about the Freud thing. Good quote. And it does disprove the anti-gun people's "compensation" argument based loosely on Freud. I've actually never read any of Freud's stuff. Then again, Freud was a coked up wacko anyway.

But I like the quote. :)

[ShawnLee]

:heh: Sounds like a good idea! :shifty:

And about the Freud thing. Good quote. And it does disprove the anti-gun people's "compensation" argument based loosely on Freud. I've actually never read any of Freud's stuff. Then again, Freud was a coked up wacko anyway.

But I like the quote. :)Man, I'm actually starting to like the coke head.

[clutchy]

:heh: Sounds like a good idea! :shifty:

And about the Freud thing. Good quote. And it does disprove the anti-gun people's "compensation" argument based loosely on Freud. I've actually never read any of Freud's stuff. Then again, Freud was a coked up wacko anyway.

But I like the quote. :)


he's not such a wacko, he actually solved one of the biggest problems of his time. Hysteria: the propensity of victorians to manifest physical symptoms of stress directly related to maintaining their current status in life by not having children(which would put them in the poor house), but still wanting to have "little deaths"

i think that last quote is victor frankl...

[HauptmannU]

Anybody have a recommendation for a nice .308? Nothing more than simple distance (300-1000 yds) shooting with some friends. I don't hunt, so weight doesn't matter... I was looking at the Springfield M21, but jebus, I really don't want to drop $2000 on a rifle I'll shoot once a month maybe. I know it's a proven shooter and accurate as hell though...

Suggestions?


Irish - How much do you want to spend? Do you want a stainless barrel? What bullet weight will you be using?

I would seriously look at the Remington M700P. It is accurate out of the box, and has a 26" heavy barrel to get a little more velocity out of your loads. It is very common to find spare parts, many gunsmiths are available to work on your rifle, and can be customized to your heart's content. But there are drawbacks. In the .308 Win, Max effective range is between 875 - 1000 yards, depending on who you talk to. To get out this far accurately, one should use 175 gr. or heavier match bullets to remain supersonic out to 1000 yards. (bullets don't group as well when they drop below the speed of souond) These heavy bullets are marginally stabilized by the stock 1 in 12" twist barrel.

Another option would be the Savage 10FP with a 26" barrel. The Savage barrel has a 1 in 10" twist that reliably stabilizes the heavier bullets. It also comes with their Accutrigger as standard. This is a user adjustable trigger that I think is pretty good, though a couple of "in-the-know" friends of mine don't care for it. Another plus is it is significantly less expensive than the Remington. The downside is that it has far fewer options for customization, and if you get a high-end stock such as a McMillan or H-S precision the price is comparable to the Remington.

A third option is to go for an semi-automatic AR based rifle in .308 Win. You can choose a rifle from DPMS 308LR, Armalite AR-10T, Bushmaster (now out of production), or Stoner SR-25. I like the DPMS 308LR because it is the least expensive of the three, but gives up nothing in the accuracy department. They come with 1 in 10" twist barrels and the semi-automatic operation allows fast f/u shots. Cons: 24" barrel=lower velocity, requires more maint. than bolt action, larger/heavier (I know, you said it doesn't matter), match trigger is still not as nice as a tuned single stage bolt action trigger.

Finally, think about spending 1x-3x as much money on optics as your rifle. I like Leupold, but I would really like to try a Horus Vision.

I hope this helps.:wavey2:

[HauptmannU]

OK, it has been a year since I (or anyone else for that matter) last posted to this thread. Given recent events, I feel it is important to revive this thread and remind people that the majority of gun owners are conscientious citizens, and use their firearms for responsible, legal, recreation.

So I submit my humble offering.

Glock 17 with Dawson Precision adjustable sights:
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t247/Bamboozled_photos/G17GSSF.jpg


Normally this pistol groups approx 3" at 25 yds, but I happened upon a load that shows great promise. I only had a chance to fire 2 groups, one from the bench one off-hand. The distance was about 23 yds.

Bench rest group:
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t247/Bamboozled_photos/brgroup.jpg


Off-hand group
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t247/Bamboozled_photos/ohgroup.jpg



edited for typos

[Houdini]

Nice pic Haup!

H <---brings out the golden shovel

[ski]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expeditionary_Fighting_Vehicle

The only gun I've ever fired was a 30mm cannon. Hope to never have to shoot a handgun in the near future at least.

[ShawnLee]

I miss my guns... I can't wait till I'm back home.

[Agent Plissken]

Wow, this is an olllld thread!
I guess Ill have to get a pic of my AR15 and my Taurus .38 special.
And from my original gun collection picture, subtract the Taurus .22lr and the Ruger MKII, and the P2000, I sold/traded them.

[Cheesypuff]

Ooooo...glock 17...sexy gun. i'm still waiting till i get my glock 19 or px4 storm. only a few more months till i'm back in the states.

[HauptmannU]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expeditionary_Fighting_Vehicle

The only gun I've ever fired was a 30mm cannon. Hope to never have to shoot a handgun in the near future at least.


Ok, I'll let you shoot my pistol, if you'll let me shoot a Bushmaster II. Deal? :D

[HauptmannU]

I miss my guns... I can't wait till I'm back home.


Don't worry, I'm sure Jody is taking good care of them... :wavey2:

[HauptmannU]

Ooooo...glock 17...sexy gun. i'm still waiting till i get my glock 19 or px4 storm. only a few more months till i'm back in the states.


Thanks.

"G19 or PX4 storm" Can't go wrong with either. Are you talkin' PX4 full-size or compact?

[Houdini]

Ooooo...glock 17...sexy gun. i'm still waiting till i get my glock 19 or px4 storm. only a few more months till i'm back in the states.

Meloves my Glock 19.

[HauptmannU]

Meloves my Glock 19.


Which one? :P

[Napoleon54]

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q58/Napoleon54/Nap_guns.jpg

Here's what I have. Nothing fancy, just general purpose firepower for hunting. Top is my deer shotgun, a Harrington & Richardson Ultra Slug Hunter, single shot 12g 3" mag, laminate stock and a 2x7 Leupold VX1. Got a buck with it a couple years ago after hunting with it for only a few days. First gun I purchased myself (aka not a gift or hand-me-down).

In the middle is my old 12g 3" mag Remington 870 which I used to hunt with but now keep just inside the closet door with 4 shells in the magazine. Still the gun I'd use for coyotes and fox at night. My little brother has carried it in the woods a few times. I took it skeet shooting last weekend, it was really out of place amongst all the fancy Benellis, Berettas, etc. (I had never shot skeet before, just went for the hell of it, but somehow I scored better several of the regulars, hehehe!)

Bottom is my .50 caliber Thompson Center Renegade muzzleloader, my father's old blackpowder gun. He gave to me after I killed my first buck with it at 16, so it has some sedimental value. That was standard issue 10 years ago and it's amazing to see the advances that have come along in black powder shooting since then... first inline hammers, now swinging breech designs, etc. I love the smell of blackpowder smoke, there's nothing quite like it.

There's also a .22LR at my father's house that I could probably lay claim to. It's an ancient single shot bolt action .22 with simple iron sights, tarnished all to hell, but for some reason it's still the sweetest shooting little gun. I can't even make out a make or model # on it, but it is solid and I have no concerns of it being unsafe. I think my grandmother picked it up at a garage sale like 50 years ago or something like that. I'm in the process of refinishing the stock. Y'know how sometimes people have some kinda supernatural bond with a firearm, where they and it seem to work together so well and it results in uncanny accuracy? That's me and that .22, I'm Annie effin' Oakley with that thing. Reminds me of when I was about 8 years old, I put a 2x tasco scope on my 760 pumpmaster bb gun and used to spend hours sniping frogs on the other side of the pond behind our house, like 20-30 yards away. That's a great way to grow up.

[Cheesypuff]

Thanks.

"G19 or PX4 storm" Can't go wrong with either. Are you talkin' PX4 full-size or compact?


full size or compact?!? i thought they only made a fullsize. shrug. the 9mm or the .40

[ShawnLee]

Nice 870. It amazes me that the 870 is as old as it is. It's such a nice shotgun, especially when considering that the same basic design is same today as the ones produced in 1950.

[Napoleon54]

Nice 870. It amazes me that the 870 is as old as it is. It's such a nice shotgun, especially when considering that the same basic design is same today as the ones produced in 1950.

Yea, the great thing about them IMO is the versatility. Get a few different barrels for the same gun and you've got something that can be used for clays, birds, small game, a rifled barrel for slugs/big game, etc. All I have for it now is a short (20") smoothbore chokeless barrel, which can be used for just about anything, but isn't really good at any one thing either. Pretty much the same gun a lot of police have in their trunks. They're hard to scope for serious big game use though... the reciever is too thin to tap for a scope mount. I've seen it done, but I've never been all that impressed with the adapters/ brackets that are needed. At least I think that's the skinny on 870s + scopes, but admittedly I've never looked into it too closely so I could be wrong.

[HauptmannU]

Yea, the great thing about them IMO is the versatility. Get a few different barrels for the same gun and you've got something that can be used for clays, birds, small game, a rifled barrel for slugs/big game, etc.


Nice. It is toss-up between the 870 and the Hawken rifle as to which I favor. I agree shotguns are most versitile, they can do most things required of a bangstick (except hitting small targets at long range, or fitting in my pocket...) So, if I could only have 1 gun it would probably be a scattergun. Luckily, I'm not restricted to just one gun for everything...yet... (elections are coming up)

[HauptmannU]

Ok, I couldn't decide which picture I liked better of my Glock 34, so I'm posting both. I tried to get a little creative with these, but I'm no ZippyJuan... Let me know which one y'all like better.

G34 with Dawson Precision adj. rear sight and fiber optic front front sight. Also has T.H.E. tungsten guide rod and Wollf recoil spring.

Photo #1:

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t247/Bamboozled_photos/G34_1.jpg


Photo #2:

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t247/Bamboozled_photos/G34_2.jpg

[The Happy Squirrel]

ever noticw how its hard to chew chicken nuggets when your loaded
????

btw u i dont have any guns pics to ost but this is the gun site of a buddy of mine
Bang Bang (www.sksboards.com)

[Houdini]

Which one? :P

You're funny. Really funny. :dead:

Seems I had to purchase another one a while back. Long story. Well, not that long, but now I have another. With trit sites now. :bandit:

Nice pic btw. Musta been doing some reloadin' eh?

[ShawnLee]

Ok, I couldn't decide which picture I liked better of my Glock 34, so I'm posting both.

/pics snipped

Is that grip tape done up on them or did the frame come like that? I'm not sure if I'm seeing something differently or if it's just the way the light hit the camera off of the gun.

[Houdini]

Is that grip tape done up on them or did the frame come like that? I'm not sure if I'm seeing something differently or if it's just the way the light hit the camera off of the gun.

It's grip tape.

[HauptmannU]

Is that grip tape done up on them or did the frame come like that? I'm not sure if I'm seeing something differently or if it's just the way the light hit the camera off of the gun.


Houdini is correct. I hand-cut and applied grip tape (skateboard tape) to my G17. It took me a while and was a PITA, but the results were good. The grip tape on my G34 is pre-cut from MLE Shooting Sports. I like the MLE product a lot. It is not as aggressive (coarse) as skateboard tape, but it still offers a secure grip and is easy to apply.

Edited to add a link to MLE Shooting Sports:
http://www.mle-shootingsports.com/trugrip.htm

[HauptmannU]

Nice pic btw. Musta been doing some reloadin' eh?


Thanks.

Just loading for the local matches.

[Burzhui]

my xd-40 needs a brother so i'm looking at FN Herstal F2000

[Agent Plissken]

How about the FN 5-7?

[ShawnLee]

How about the FN 5-7?
Cool gun, but at $1 per round? Whoa, there.

Still, it'd be cool to have. Fast little round.

[Burzhui]

do you guys aim with both eyes or strong eye open

[ShawnLee]

Ideally, you should get a sight picture with both eyes open. But when I shoot, I'll admit to lightly closing my right eye. Still, when I first sight the target, I definitely keep both eyes open.

Another thing is that for some people, even the difference in tension when you use facial muscles can affect your trigger squeeze. So, ideally, yeah, open eyes.