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guiseppewv
02-24-2006, 11:24 AM
Turbosteamer turns engine heat into steam which is used to boost power and efficiency.
February 24, 2006: 12:57 PM EST


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Engineers at BMW have created a new type of hybrid powertrain for cars. Instead of electricity, though, this system relies on steam power to boost the engine's performance and save fuel.

About 35 percent of the energy created when an engine burns gasoline is lost as heat, according to the book "The Isaac Newton School of Driving: Physics and Your Car," by Barry Parker.

BMW's Turbosteamer system relies on a heating unit that replaces the muffler. It heats water to temperatures up to 550 degrees. The resultant steam is then carried to what is essentially a small steam engine.

With much of its heat energy converted to motion in the engine, the cooler steam -- now about 150 to 200 degrees -- goes through a system that combines the steam's heat with heat from the car's regular cooling system.

That second system is used to operate another, lower temperature, motor that further boosts the car's power.

A more refined system may be ready for production in about 10 years, the company said.


http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/23/Autos/bimmer_steamer/index.htm

This is pretty cool. I wonder if it will ever find its way into the mainstream car or truck.

Daedalus
02-24-2006, 12:33 PM
I thought of the same thing almost 10 years ago, and took it to my thermodynamics professor. He said it wasn't viable, because the extra weight from the steam contraption would more than offset the benefits. 'Course, for all I know he might be working for BMW now.

psycho-
02-24-2006, 03:45 PM
I thought of the same thing almost 10 years ago, and took it to my thermodynamics professor. He said it wasn't viable, because the extra weight from the steam contraption would more than offset the benefits. 'Course, for all I know he might be working for BMW now.


http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051218/AUTO01/512180348/1148

Hydraulic Hybrids seem promising too

Houdini
02-24-2006, 06:17 PM
Funny how they've reverted to steam. Interesting idea. Still, I think hybrids wil dominate, especially when the technology matures and the primo pricing drops. Still, a good hybrid would run on electricity most of the time, and as I do a lot of highway driving, it wouldn't help me much. I'm all for anything that makes its own energy instead of plugging it in and just moving the pollution to regions near the coal burning plants, etc.

I wonder if there may be a way in the future to install strong magnets or seomthing along highways to produce induced electricity in a coil and charge batteries as you drive along. That would kick ass. /my idea, just like the tide-mill. Don't steal it!

speedracer120
02-24-2006, 09:10 PM
My idea way back in jr. high was to magnetize roads so we can have floating cars and negate the need for tires and hence reduce a lot of friction. I have Back to the Future II to thank for that idea. It seems other people have had that idea as well, because Modern Marvels had an artists conception of a similar thing on one of their shows.

Agent Plissken
02-25-2006, 08:52 AM
I hope you dont need to stop suddenly without friction speedracer!
Remeber; bodies in motion stay in motion ;)

johnnymk
02-25-2006, 09:12 AM
About 35 percent of the energy created when an engine burns gasoline is lost as heat, according to the book "The Isaac Newton School of Driving: Physics and Your Car," by Barry Parker.

Funny, but I recall that it was the other way round..that an IC engine is only 35% thermodynamically efficient.

Daedalus
02-25-2006, 01:55 PM
They probably mean the amount lost through heat in the exhaust only. There's friction everywhere, in every joint and bearing, even wind resistance, plus you have a radiator (convector) up front trying to keep the water cool. But I agree 35% sounds low. Exhaust gasses are like 1600*F.

bachviet
02-26-2006, 06:54 AM
About 35 percent of the energy created when an engine burns gasoline is lost as heat, according to the book "The Isaac Newton School of Driving: Physics and Your Car," by Barry Parker.

Funny, but I recall that it was the other way round..that an IC engine is only 35% thermodynamically efficient.
Yeap

If anyone could create an useable/reliable IC engine at 50% efficiency, he/she could make big $$$.