Loose Change 2nd Edition: Another look at 9/11

[hapoo]

Its pretty long, but an interesting watch. Does raise some questions. Check it out:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801

[Memo]

VERY Interesting, but who are these people?

[Wizard]

I can't stand the music.

[blueindian]

that's a pretty convicning video. there were a couple of things in it that i'd not seen before that i'll need to do reseach on, such as:

1. pictures of the pentagon before the walls collapsed that show only a 16' diameter hole in the wall, no damage to the ground in front of the wall, and no damage from the wings or engines. are these photos real?

2. closes ups of the towers falling that show what appear to be small explosions leading the wave of debris as the towers fall

3. the suggestion that the video of bin laden confessing to the attacks is a fake. they point out that he is wearing a gold ring and suggest that to be in conflict with the koran and that bin laden issued a statement to al jazerre denying involvment

4. suggestion that bin laden was visited by US officials in 2001 in an american hospital in dubai

5. suggestion that 9 of the highjackers are alive an well.

bunch of other stuff too. i'll have to watch that a few more times and do some additional research.

[ramazank2]

Whoa...

[Wizard]

Whoa...

Yeah I know, that music was godawful.

While I have no doubt that there is a lot we don't know about the whole 9/11 thing, I hate these extreme conspiracy theories. This type of stuff just makes me want to join the CIA more and "accidently" run into some files.

[zippyjuan]

About an hour and a half long. Here is a different look at some of the Pentagon evidence. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.spaceimaging.com/gallery/9-11/Pentagon/Pentagon_9_7_01.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html&h=1614&w=1500&sz=918&tbnid=cYKao0OqgnUJ:&tbnh=150&tbnw=139&prev=/images%3Fq%3D9-11%2Bpentagon%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D&oi=imagesr&start=1

[ShawnLee]

I get so thoroughly annoyed by these conspiracy theories...

That I'm glad these articles were put out.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

[blueindian]

I get so thoroughly annoyed by these conspiracy theories...

That I'm glad these articles were put out.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

while some explainations offered in the popular science articles are acceptable, some are just weak.

at any rate, this video puts forth a lot of issues that i was heretofore unaware of and are not debunked in the PS articles. i certainly like to see them debunked though.

[Wizard]

Yeah Seriously some of those explanations at Popular Mechanics were pretty lame. The way PM tried to "refute" the claims only made me believe them more.

/I still really don't believe it
//Kerosene burning down 70floors through an elevator shaft is very hard to believe
///Coleman Fuel on the other hand :rubshands:

[zippyjuan]

Conspiracy theory can be great fun. You take some issue that cannot be fully explained and find conflicts within the various explinations. Then if anyone tries to make an arguement against you side, you can blame them as either covering it up or being part of the conspiracy. There was also a rumor that all the Jewish people in the World Trade Center stayed home that day. I find it hard to believe that the government (or some other nameless organization) would or even could plan something like this. If they had placed bombs to implode the building, it would have taken weeks to place them all and set the timers, not a couple of days in buildings that size. Not to mention wires running everywhere. And someone would have definately noticed. Just look at the Iraq invasion. Or was that mess deilberate too? Do we intend to have a civil war start so we can take over the entire region and the world's oil supplies? Maybe Katrina was deliberate too so that a bunch of poor people could be wiped out to make room for hotels and casinos. That would cut welfare in the state too. I don't have all the answers, but neither do these guys.

[MikeD]

Conspiracy theory can be great fun. You take some issue that cannot be fully explained and find conflicts within the various explinations. Then if anyone tries to make an arguement against you side, you can blame them as either covering it up or being part of the conspiracy. There was also a rumor that all the Jewish people in the World Trade Center stayed home that day. I find it hard to believe that the government (or some other nameless organization) would or even could plan something like this. If they had placed bombs to implode the building, it would have taken weeks to place them all and set the timers, not a couple of days in buildings that size. Not to mention wires running everywhere. And someone would have definately noticed. Just look at the Iraq invasion. Or was that mess deilberate too? Do we intend to have a civil war start so we can take over the entire region and the world's oil supplies? Maybe Katrina was deliberate too so that a bunch of poor people could be wiped out to make room for hotels and casinos. That would cut welfare in the state too. I don't have all the answers, but neither do these guys.

I think the highlighted statement sums things up pretty well...

Probably no need to debate this, since each individual will hold to their convictions and (likely) not be swayed. I simply have a hard time accepting the logical notion that our government would take part in this. If you do...well, that's fine. I just don't see it. :shrug:

[hapoo]

Conspiracy theory can be great fun. You take some issue that cannot be fully explained and find conflicts within the various explinations. Then if anyone tries to make an arguement against you side, you can blame them as either covering it up or being part of the conspiracy. There was also a rumor that all the Jewish people in the World Trade Center stayed home that day. I find it hard to believe that the government (or some other nameless organization) would or even could plan something like this. If they had placed bombs to implode the building, it would have taken weeks to place them all and set the timers, not a couple of days in buildings that size. Not to mention wires running everywhere. And someone would have definately noticed. Just look at the Iraq invasion. Or was that mess deilberate too? Do we intend to have a civil war start so we can take over the entire region and the world's oil supplies? Maybe Katrina was deliberate too so that a bunch of poor people could be wiped out to make room for hotels and casinos. That would cut welfare in the state too. I don't have all the answers, but neither do these guys.



YOUR WITH THEM AREN'T YOU :umm:

Personally I'm open to all ideas so long as there is proof to back it up. I wouldn't put anyone (including the gov.) past it. And looking at the current state of affairs, i can definately see a huge advantage this would have had for the current administration. No one else has benifited more.

[nickel]

I think the highlighted statement sums things up pretty well...

Probably no need to debate this, since each individual will hold to their convictions and (likely) not be swayed. I simply have a hard time accepting the logical notion that our government would take part in this. If you do...well, that's fine. I just don't see it. :shrug:
:agree:

also, i would like to add that there has never been a man on the moon. :P

[zippyjuan]

YOUR WITH THEM AREN'T YOU :umm:


I am not allowed to reveal my true employer or say what I am really supposed to be taking pictures of out there. :hihi: And I believe you meant "you're" as in "you are". Government forms are such sticklers for proper spelling.