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johnnymk
03-02-2006, 07:55 AM
Reuters
Published on ZDNet News: March 1, 2006


Microsoft will introduce a search engine better than Google in six months in the United States and Britain followed by Europe, its European president said on Wednesday.

"What we're saying is that in six months' time we'll be more relevant in the U.S. market place than Google," said Neil Holloway, Microsoft president for Europe, Middle East and Africa.

"The quality of our search and the relevance of our search from a solution perspective to the consumer will be more relevant," he told the Reuters Global Technology, Media and Telecoms Summit.

But being good is not enough to win the hearts and minds of consumers already dedicated to another standard.

U.S. courts and the European Commission found Microsoft countered that problem by trying to kill off Netscape's browser and RealNetworks audiovisual software by bundling its competing code into Windows, violating antitrust laws.

But bundling would find little purchase against Google because it lives insulated from Microsoft on the Web, unlike other applications that were easy game for the software giant as they perched directly on Windows.

Holloway said Microsoft has no plans to integrate its search engine into Vista, the new Microsoft Windows operating system set to replace Windows XP later this year or early next year.

"Should we add a Google-like search engine, but twice as good, hard-core into Windows? Guess what. If we did that, I don't think a company called Google would be very happy," he said.

"You've also got to take a step back and say where do you integrate," he said.

Microsoft will put its search engine into its widely used communications tools Windows Messenger and Hotmail.

"Integrating search into those other applications...makes it very seamless for people," he said. Timing in Europe will be pegged to that in the United States.

"The U.K. will probably be at the same time, France maybe three months behind, Germany maybe three months behind. It's not two years behind."

He said Microsoft's goal--but not its initial offering--would go beyond finding URLs and instead focus in on the specific information sought by Internet users.

"Generally these days what you get back is URLs, and based upon research, 50 percent of the time you do a search you don't get the URL you're looking for," he said.

Holloway said that the promise of Microsoft's search capability is to dig down.

For example, he said, potential home-buyers might find a group of houses in the price range and with the precise amenities they're seeking.

Or Web surfers might find a restaurant with the kind of menu they want in a particular geographic area.

_=DeltaForce=_
03-02-2006, 11:51 AM
They must be smoking crack in the office!

zero2dash
03-03-2006, 10:53 AM
I think at this point, Google is too large a gorilla to overthrow. :stupid:

No matter how much they improve MSN Search, I think that most people (including myself) think "search = Google".

Maarchk
03-03-2006, 06:54 PM
No its a new engine... NMSN... you wont even realize you are sucked into it...
well no thats doubtful, i think google is doing a good job, but when a huge company decides it is king and doesn't do much inovation.. they leave open holes to be filled by others... google is not at that point yet, but may someday reach it.

Cheesypuff
03-05-2006, 01:57 PM
google as already turned into a verb. that is when you know a company is good.

Thesifer
03-05-2006, 02:30 PM
You know a company is good when they lose their Copyright on their name because they have become too much of a household used name. :)

Jeffbx
03-06-2006, 05:19 AM
I think at this point, Google is too large a gorilla to overthrow. :stupid:

No matter how much they improve MSN Search, I think that most people (including myself) think "search = Google".

Just a few years ago, who would have thought that Google could ever dominate practically the entire internet? Back then, Microsoft was too large of a gorilla to overthrow. But Google quietly stepped in & took over.

It isn't out of the question - once MS sets their sites on a particular company or technology, they tend to go at it like a rabid pitbull on crack until they replace it, buy it or take over the market share. On this one, I give MS about a 50% chance of success - mainly because Google is now staffed by a large portion of ex-MS employees.

shocky123
03-06-2006, 08:35 AM
Just a few years ago, who would have thought that Google could ever dominate practically the entire internet? Back then, Microsoft was too large of a gorilla to overthrow. But Google quietly stepped in & took over.

It isn't out of the question - once MS sets their sites on a particular company or technology, they tend to go at it like a rabid pitbull on crack until they replace it, buy it or take over the market share. On this one, I give MS about a 50% chance of success - mainly because Google is now staffed by a large portion of ex-MS employees.

I'd doubt that M$ could pull something like this off. I know most people thing Google, and like the fact that they arent forced to use Google. However, MSN is too close to M$ for people to be drawn away from Google, to another search engine. Google has too many things integrated into it's system to be easily taken over by anyone else.
They have hundreds of things to offer potential customers that MSN could not do all at once.

Not to mention that I like the fact that Google is friendly to other browsers.... I dont forsee M$N being friendly to competing browsers.

Oh yeah, and Google is worth too much for M$ to just simply buy out.. not to mention that the majority of the staff @ google (i know not the 'majority'.. but a big portion) is ex-M$.... and they're not ex-M$ for no reason, I dont see them selling out to MS for anything.

~Kyle

Dem0072
03-07-2006, 01:41 AM
Hi Delta_Force (friend).

I agree here, I doubt Microsoft could pull it off - however not impossible.

What would need to be done is (I don't know whos web-administrative savvy here but here it is in short) since google is the best of the best, their ways of getting sites to the top have been exploited (PageRank/Pr) if you ever looked in the Source Code (right click - view source code) you would notice in the meta (descriptive categorized values for search engines) tags, theres a whole bunch of CRAP not even relevant to one subject on the site, this is abused, and google unfourtionately like every other search engine, uses it in their key word database.

To make the "perfect" search engine, sites would have to be screened for category content and await personal review by a "smartbot" which analyzes the genuine legidimacy of the websites actual content and cross-references it to the keyword database - if Microsoft pulls that off, someone needs to find me a really big crapper because im gonna need it.

So far it goes like this

Google - ranks by hits & categorizes by meta tags & url, forwarding site description, and paraphrasing content of interest - so far... the best system.

MSN - ranks by advertizing, and source-traffic junctions (website link hubs) and according to isolated page rank, comes up with relevancy, uses site description. May use meta tags, this I don't know for sure, perhapse does.

The problem is, ranking by advertizing, is like paying Microsoft off for giving you a good place on the list. Source-Traffic junctions basically disclude many independant websites & networks, thus diverting from a great part of the internet. Also uses description, which is up to the web admins imagination to put whatever he pleases so people searching for car insurance come up with his new innovative car tire washing machine. I know the connection lies with car, but it shouldn't.

This, is the downfalls to the old search engine systems. I remember the old classic best search engine - lycos. You hardly even hear about it anymore.

Yahoo is near equal to google, only they turn up different results in different orders because yahoo puts advertizing before PR (pagerank), which is why you get different search results on an identitcal criteria. This is yahoos only downfall - but since they go further than searching & information, extending into services... they have to keep their marketting somewhere, right? That, is why I cut em slack.

Thats my explanation/definition/rant/rave/solution/2 cents/2 pesos & a drunken toothless west country train rider full of sardines telling the story.

Bid you good day.