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chrissy
03-15-2006, 05:44 PM
Not sure about where to put this, but I need help and I know a few of you know about boyscouts.

Mikey has been working on his pinecar for the derby (this Saturday is the event) for a couple weeks. He loves this and has looked forward to it all year (if you count starting his Den 3 months after the other Den in the pack has been meeting). Last week on Tuesday, we got a copy of an email at his meeting (wow! information for the parents FINALLY!) and it stated that the car had to be weighed at Outdoor rec on base. They have a scale they use for UPS and said the scouts can use it between 10AM and 4:30PM on Thursday and Friday between 10 and 2PM. After it is weighed, it is to be boxed up and left there.

At this point I have flags going up. MOST of these kids don't get home until 4. So the parents are supposed to go and weigh the cars, do any final adjustments WITHOUT the boy present?? And what about the parents who have jobs and cannot get to the place to get the darn thing wieghed? I just don't like this.

So I called his Den leader on Wed because it was bugging me and he rambles on about how it has to be done this way because that's the way the person set it up. That there is no other way to do this. That it's the only scale available to use on base. :umm: Fine. Donnie has an installation on the flight line that he is supervising and most likely won't be able to get the car weighed during these times (and I am sure other parents are going to be running into the same issues).

Fast forward to Monday. We get a call from Den leader saying that the Outdoor rec scale will not work for the cars and now we have to go to the post office on base after 1 PM to get the cars weighed and they HAVE to print a reciept. Then we are to take it to some guys house to run it down a piece of track and turn it in to him in a box sealed with name rank and number written on it (okay, maybe den number and names). So, now with a smaller window of times to weight and adjust the car, we are to be happy that they made the addition of having track to have a practice run.

So, Tuesday, I ask the Den leader if I go out and get a scale, not just for us to use, but the WHOLE PACK to use and have at that guys house, so it's one stop and in the evening when the boys can participate (my BIGGEST gripe about the whole thing) would that be okay. He says to contact the guy in charge of the event.

This is the reply we got from him.


Don,
We want the cars weighed at a Post Office because we know their scales are calibrated. We want everything to be equal for each car. If one is weighed at the Post office, another is weigh on your scale, or another is weighed on yet a different scale, then how do we then know which scale is correct? By having every car weighed at a Post Office we know the cars are all being weighed the same. We are doing this to be fair to every boy participating.

If you are unable to get to the post office yourself then maybe your den leader will be able to take it for you. If all else fails bring it to me at work (507 CTS) or home and I will have it weighed for you. If neither of these work for you, your son can still race, but will be disqualified from receiving any award.



John


I honstly think he missed the point of everyone using the scale. I understand he is trying to help by offering to weight it for us. BUT THEY ARE MISSING THE POINT OF THE BOY'S PARTICIPATION IN THIS PART OF THE EVENT! How are the boys to learn about the adjustments and process and etc when the parents are doing it? How many times can the post office weigh a car without getting pissed at the parent trying to adjust the car? Are we supposed to melt the lead in the parking lot to add weight? It's bad all around. To the post office and the employees there, to the parents and their places of work and last but not least the boys.

I have placed a call to the council. They haven't called me back.
I don't understand the boy scout ways of doing things. Am I out of line being upset? I plan events for GS 3-4 times a year for over 100 girls (and their parents) at each one and I know how hard it can be to make everyone happy, but I wouldn't leave the girls out like this. I don't expect them to run the same, but I do expect them to run with the best interests of the kids.

Jenny
03-15-2006, 06:35 PM
That sucks, really. Scott said that it isn't the Boy Scouts, it's the stupid leaders.

That was our problem with Josh's Cub Scout experience. The leaders were stupidly ridiculous and unorganized. So we took him out (he was having zero fun) and he's starting Spring Soccer next week. :)

Good luck!

oblongmelon
03-15-2006, 07:26 PM
oooOooo Soccer!..nice!!..he'll love it! Loads of running, he'll get lots of excercise. I miss coaching -I did it for so long, but the kids I had since they were five years old have all graduated now..they kept me with the same team for years..we were first place in our league almost every year!..Jenny get involved..even if it's only to bring a tupperware bowl of cut oranges for the kids to eat quickly during the periods..they'll love you for it.
Chrissy, the scout leader just sounds like he's a pompous ass who's taking his "leader" title too seriously..if you purchased a scale and every kid uses the same scale-WHO WOULD CARE if it was calibrated. Gawd. it sounds to me like the council isn't going to take care of the matter-which is a shame..I wonder how many pennies will be stuck in the toe of those pinewood cars before the race..grrrrrr

Jenny
03-15-2006, 07:43 PM
oooOooo Soccer!..nice!!..he'll love it! Loads of running, he'll get lots of excercise. I miss coaching -I did it for so long, but the kids I had since they were five years old have all graduated now..they kept me with the same team for years..we were first place in our league almost every year!..Jenny get involved..even if it's only to bring a tupperware bowl of cut oranges for the kids to eat quickly during the periods..they'll love you for it.


Oh, yeah, he's played indoor soccer for several years but this will be the first time he plays outdoor. My brother & sister were both state champion soccer goalies during high school, so soccer has been in my background for years. lol

And yeah, we'll bring gatorade & oranges for halftime or juice & a snack for after the game. No worries about that. :)

oblongmelon
03-15-2006, 07:47 PM
Oh, yeah, he's played indoor soccer for several years but this will be the first time he plays outdoor. My brother & sister were both state champion soccer goalies during high school, so soccer has been in my background for years. lol

And yeah, we'll bring gatorade & oranges for halftime or juice & a snack for after the game. No worries about that. :)

hehehe..indoor and outdoor-BIG DIFFERENCE..I just sent you a pm..glad to know he's got some experience anyway..and also that your family can give him some good pointers ;) I was strictly and outdoor coach-bigger fields, badder players, refs that were biased, and lots of goose poop..for some reason they found our fields to be home :)

Grubbie
03-15-2006, 11:04 PM
I have no real input to help here, but boy does this bring back memories. I remember sanding and sanding and getting that perfect shape and feel.

TofuNinja
03-15-2006, 11:26 PM
Its the leaders. You may have to step in next time and run it yourself or something. I know the Pinewood derby here in Westminster runs like a well oiled machine. This is a big event for the boys. It's the leadership of the people running the event. And yes be mad at them, not the council. Just gather support and bring up your concerns at your districts round table meeting. I know parents who are not happy with something always bring issues up at our round tables.

I'm sorry that the leaders are taking the fun out of it and not thinking about the boys....DQing them is NOT cool, not cool at all.

MrGreg
03-15-2006, 11:38 PM
We used to always weight at the actual event, but people could show up an hour or so early to fine tune everything.

chrissy
03-16-2006, 11:36 AM
Well, someone called from council and you were right, they really didn't offer much. Their advice was to make it through Saturday and we could take the option of moving to a new pack. He says there are several in our area that are active and have good people running them. He also found it odd that they were weighing prior to the event and not on the day of.

The Den leader. I honestly feels he has good intentions, but I believe that he lets stripes get in the way of standing up for his den. He called us last night and said that they would take Mikey's car to get it weighed for us (NOT THE POINT) and that the guy in charge has told the Pack that he would not organize this again (so apparently we aren't the only ones taking issue with this arrangement either).

It will be Mikey's decision if he wants to continue with this. I feel awful. He wanted to join because he watches Audie in GS and we have a lot of fun. He wanted to do the same. He only has about 10 achievements to go to earn his bear (his den leader marked a total of 4 so far this year....) so we are going to finish it up this month and he will have the choice of doing it from here on out.

He has started talking about Kempo again and going back to lessons. It will be his choice.

LegendKiller
03-16-2006, 11:49 AM
That was probably my biggest frustration with BSA, the leadership was pathetic.

Many times you got stuck with a leader who had kids in the troop and would treat them and their friends differently. Other times the leaders were lazy or just generally apathetic towards issues. Some just thought they were so awesome for being the leader that they ignored everybody and everything else.

It isn't as uncommon and one would hope. BSA was fun overall but they need to rework the structure. It's too bad you have these issues.

Freelance Superhero
03-16-2006, 06:21 PM
yeah, chrissy, sorry to hear about the troubles.

i definitely think this is just incompetence on the part of your leader(s). i was fortunate enough to have really great leadership back in the day when i was in scouts, and it made being part of it something to remember. judging from the frustratingly idiotic way that your current pack leader is handling things, i might seriously consider switching to another one, as your council person suggested.

sizemic1
03-16-2006, 08:59 PM
John's an idiot.
just my 0.02.