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Itsme
03-20-2006, 06:20 AM
Checking Out the Next Firefox

Posted by Harry McCracken
Sunday, March 19, 2006, 10:30 PM (PST)

Wanna try an early-but-intriguing browser upgrade? You're in luck: Head here, and you can download Bon Echo--or, as we'll eventually call it, Firefox 2.0. (In the real world, by the way, Bon Echo is a park in Ontario.)

News of this early version of Firefox 2 hit the Web today, but it doesn't seem to be an official release. In fact, Asa Dotzler of Mozilla says it isn't one, and he should know.

By the time I'd read Asa's blog posting, I'd already downloaded and installed the Mac OS X version of Bon Echo, which I'm using right now. There's nothing about it that instantly screams "massive makeover!" Dig in, though, and there's some new stuff, including a new History menu item that lets you do searches in Web pages you've visited in the recent past. (Am I the only person who tends to waste time recreating my tracks to find things I already located once?) I also notice some tweaks to the tab interface, including little X icons on the tabs for easy closing. (One reason to be cautious about the alpha: If your favorite Firefox extensions are anything like my favorite Firefox extensions, they aren't compatible with the new version yet.)

If you want more info on what's in store for Firefox 2, take a gander at this extremely detailed document, which is actually a wiki used by the Firefox development team. From my quick parsing of it, it looks like Firefox 2 will be more evolutionary than revolutionary...but there will be a fair amount of evolution.

When will the final version be available? All I know is that they're aiming for later this year. It seems entirely possible that it'll meet or beat the release of Microsoft's Internet Explorer 7.

If so, that would mean that Mozilla will have released two meaningful upgrades to Firefox (1.5 and 2) in the time since Microsoft started making noises about finally updating its browser. IE may not be dead like a dinosaur, but its development schedule is still lumbering along like one. (IE 7 was announced back in February of last year.)

Anyhow, we're currently awash in early versions of next-generation browsers: The IE 7 beta 2 is also a free download--as is the Preview 2 version of Opera 9.

The conservative among us should stick with the shipping versions--for instance, I've had some trouble with sites and services that didn't seem to like the IE 7 beta (most recently AOL's In2TV). But if you've got a gambling streak, you can compare and contrast where Microsoft, Mozilla, and Opera think the browser is going.

Speaking of which: Which browser and version are you using--and why? (Today, incidentally, about 68 percent of PCWorld.com visitors were using IE 6, 21 percent used Firefox, and a tad under 6 percent used Opera. No other browser was used by as much as 1 percent of site visitors.)

http://blogs.pcworld.com/techlog/archives/001687.html

zero2dash
03-20-2006, 07:35 AM
I read earlier this morning that the memory leak won't be fixed until v3 (when its based on a rewritten Gecko engine). By that time, we'll have IE7 and Opera 10 and there still won't be reason to switch.

I used to love FF...but this memory leak problem is killing it. :shrug:

shocky123
03-20-2006, 08:21 AM
About a month ago I upgraded windows service packs on my desktop..
On sp1 I had the latest Firefox release using ~75MB's of memory at initial startup.. and it just got worse with time.
After upgrading to sp2, Firefox's memory usages have been tamed for some reason, and I rarely see it get above 40MB.. even after letting it sit there.
However, it is quite annoying to leave a window open at night and know that it's only eating about 25MB's of space, goto sleep, and wake up to find it grossly increased for no reason :'(

As long as it doesnt get any worse with the newer releases/versions, I'll stay with Firefox. But my patience for this is close to the breaking point, and I was previously too lazy to go elsewhere, however now I'm considering it..

~Kyle

Jenny
03-20-2006, 10:13 AM
The memory leak kills me too. For work, I usually have at least 1 window open (sometimes 2) with multiple tabs open in each. After 30-45 minutes, it's using 100MB or so. I have learned to just deal with it and restart Firefox every hour or two. :shrug: I can probably wait til it is fixed, we'll see...

Tommy Boomfiger
03-25-2006, 02:53 AM
Man, I thought that memory leak was an anomoly. It didn't use to happen to me about 2 months ago, but now its killing my computer after about 30 minutes. I love the built in feed aggregator so I'm not going to stop using it though. I cant wait till its gone.

LPMiller
03-25-2006, 05:47 AM
wow man, that memory leak hasn't been a problem for me at all.

Tommy Boomfiger
03-25-2006, 04:34 PM
It could be my windows install. It's probably close to 2 years old and I have installed so many programs that the program menu more than filled my 1280x1024 screen. That combined with probably a horrible registry filled with god knows how much junk and a couple dozen live bookmarks is probably what kills firefox for me.

If I ever leave firefox running in the background, go away and come back 30 minutes later, ff is using every single clock cycle it can.

clutchy
03-26-2006, 06:09 PM
i've been using opera for 2-3 years now. I love it so much i can't use anything else anymore...

zero2dash
03-27-2006, 01:18 PM
It could be my windows install. It's probably close to 2 years old and I have installed so many programs that the program menu more than filled my 1280x1024 screen. That combined with probably a horrible registry filled with god knows how much junk and a couple dozen live bookmarks is probably what kills firefox for me.

If I ever leave firefox running in the background, go away and come back 30 minutes later, ff is using every single clock cycle it can.

No, it's not your Windows install. Hell it isn't really even Windows per se.
I've experienced the FF memory problem on both Windows and Mac computers, several of both, whether fresh/clean installs or a system that's been running for a year plus.

You'd think a bug with this much notoriety would be fixed yet. :confused:
Nope. :shifty:
I didn't start having problems with this since probably around the time 1.0 came out...'cause I don't remember this problem with the Firebird .7/.8 betas back a few years ago. :shrug:


i've been using opera for 2-3 years now. I love it so much i can't use anything else anymore...

:agree:
I like Opera a lot. I started using it a few months ago as an IE alternative and I really dig it.