Scientology foes blast Cruise in ad

[johnnymk]

By Jeannette Walls
MSNBC

The battle between Tom Cruise and Scientology and its foes is heating up.

Cruise and Scientology have been in the news lately because of an allegedly censored “South Park” parody of the religion — and now Scientology and the “Top Gun” star are being blamed for a woman’s death.

“Thanks, Tom Cruise and the Church of Scientology, for your expert advice on mental health,” blasts an ad in LA Weekly. The ad goes on to say that a woman was killed “by the schizophrenic son she was told to treat with vitamins instead of psychiatric care.”

The ad refers readers to a Web site, which provides details on the case of Jeremy Perkins, a 28-year-old schizophrenic who stabbed his mother to death. Perkins was a staunch Scientologist and his mother was a counselor in the church — which opposes psychiatry and psychiatric drugs and “believes modern psychiatric medicine derives from an ancient alien civilization’s plot to drug and enslave humanity,” notes the site.

A spokesman for the Celebrity Center of the Church didn’t respond to requests for comment by deadline.

[cheapie]

"details"

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins/

[kgsilvas]

Thanks for the additional info cheapie.

[cheapie]

np!

[ialsohaveadream]

The link to the story. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11878503/from/RS.1/)

[ShawnLee]

Yay! Vitamins and talking through your trauma! Whee!

How sad. The whole history of L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology is just sad.
He initially started "auditing" with psychiatrists but when they figured out it was meaningless, they left him. So he gets bitter and makes them complicit in betrayal in an alien space drama. Sad.

[DarkFury]

Entertainment forum maybe? :shrug:

[cadetevon]

I've been meaning to read some L. Ron Hubbard stuff...I'm off to see if my buddy has any ebooks by him.

Not for the religion part of it (I'm totally Catholic) but just to see what the deal is, ya know?

[LegendKiller]

The deal?

Pretty much L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer who supposedly took a bet that he could create a religion that people would follow.

That religion is called scientology. The premise of it is that all humans are controlled by evil alien spirits and by an alien overlord named Xenu. The scientology process, called auditing, exercizes these spirits. That combined with exercize and a vitamin (but no other drugs) based program is supposed to make you clean and vital.

The vitamin part isn't a bad idea, especially combined with exercize.

However, the auditing approach pretty much dredges up all of your bad memories. It is controlled by a box, which measures something or other. The box is a bunch of BS.

In order to raise through the church, you pay for classes and books, going higher and higher. People have given millions to achieve levels within the church. Scientologists prey upon the weak minded (and bodied) and rich, using celebrity to entice others to join.

It also encourages removal of people from their lives. If the rest of your family is not scientologist, you are to treat them as outsiders, controlled by the evil alien Xenu. They are not enlightened and should be distanced. many people completely leave their families (Katie Holmes).

Furthermore, children are often seen as "bad" since they haven't gone through auditing yet. Many parents are so consumed by the Scientology aspect of the church that they ignore their children.

More or less, scientology is a game of control. They want to control every aspect of your life, including your money. It is a pyramid scheme enhanced by the ability to control the psyche. Those at the top get more rich, those at the bottom give all of the money. It is essentially brainwashing.

[DarkFury]

That religion is called scientology. The premise of it is that all humans are controlled by evil alien spirits and by an alien overlord named Xenu. The scientology process, called auditing, exercizes these spirits. That combined with exercize and a vitamin (but no other drugs) based program is supposed to make you clean and vital.

The vitamin part isn't a bad idea, especially combined with exercize.
Exercising or Exorcizing? :shrug: (I'm kinda confused here as to what you were saying above.)

So pretty much you are giving these "spirits" a workout or are you trying to drive bad spirits out of your body? :confused:

[LegendKiller]

Exercising or Exorcizing? :shrug: (I'm kinda confused here as to what you were saying above.)

So pretty much you are giving these "spirits" a workout or are you trying to drive bad spirits out of your body? :confused:


Sorry exercising, not sure why I was using a "Z".


You are cleansing yourself by exercising. They see drugs and unhealthiness as a sign of evil spirits or something.

They are messed up.

[Thesifer]

Scientology is funny. I've pondered starting my own religion before.. just for $hits and giggles.

[sixpac shakur]

Scientology is funny. I've pondered starting my own religion before.. just for $hits and giggles.

Thesifer, count me in for some tax free income! Maybe we can have followers tie green and gold strings (green for the money, gold for the honeys!) around their wrists like the Kabbalists.

[DarkFury]

Scientology is funny. I've pondered starting my own religion before.. just for $hits and giggles.
$hits and giggles eh?

I bet that most of your scriptures would consist of "fart jokes" wouldn't it? :heh:

[riskykougra]

:lmfao: The Holy Church of $hits and Giggles ....so what would the offering be...exlax and laughing gas... :P

[johnnymk]

Church Motto: Lotsa Steenking Holy Laughter Here

[ShawnLee]

Hmm, give me some inside info, ok? I'm always looking for new wacky religions to write papers on.

[Dem0072]

Scientology is full of it.

Some great dark alien lord captured all human sould and put them into a box and put the box into a volcano in Hawaii.

Tom Hanks could have thought up a better religion on that island in cast away...

[InfiniteNothing]

Okay I'll be the first to say that Scientology is full of it but I see it as no wackier or out there than... other religions that shall go nameless. Disproving Scientology is no easier than disproving any other religion. Sure you can claim that their all brainwashed but they can claim all of you are brainwashed. It's a matter of perspective; it's a matter of faith so live and let live.

[oblongmelon]

Okay I'll be the first to say that Scientology is full of it but I see it as no wackier or out there than... other religions that shall go nameless. Disproving Scientology is no easier than disproving any other religion. Sure you can claim that their all brainwashed but they can claim all of you are brainwashed. It's a matter of perspective; it's a matter of faith so live and let live.


THANK YOU. I agree.

[sixpac shakur]

True true! I am not religious at all. My motto is that if your religion instructs you "Thou shalt not kill me" then I'm all for it. Just leave me alone.

[ShawnLee]

Okay I'll be the first to say that Scientology is full of it but I see it as no wackier or out there than... other religions that shall go nameless. Disproving Scientology is no easier than disproving any other religion. Sure you can claim that their all brainwashed but they can claim all of you are brainwashed. It's a matter of perspective; it's a matter of faith so live and let live.I agree and disagree. There are plenty of religions out there that are quite wacky, yes, and have no historical evidence or proof, yes. But if there's evidence that the fundamentals of that religion flies against your brain and obvious truth, then why let live to let kill?

Faith is no excuse for intellectual suicide or non-rational thought or behavior. I could believe with all my heart that flying monkeys were sent to get me and my dog, but it wouldn't make it any more true than the land of Oz.

True true! I am not religious at all. My motto is that if your religion instructs you "Thou shalt not kill me" then I'm all for it. Just leave me alone.That's the thing now, isn't it? Scientology kills. Now, they want to get people off that message so they start a "museum" in Hollywood showing how psychiatry kills. "We're not the killers! Psychiatrists are!"

Oh, and just because this is a Scientology thread: :chef:

[LegendKiller]

Even if somebody chooses it for their own religion, that doesn't mean we can't make fun of them for it. :ptlaugh:.

If all we did was accept kool aid drinkers at face value we'd never have any comet lovers to laugh at, what would be the fun? Everybody needs a Waco to laugh at once in while.

[cheapie]

and we can recognize obvious greed when we see it.

[redcolours]

well, religion is religion, a cult is a cult - like politics, no one can make you/them think otherwise. Scientologists are just like any other religion, just like the mormons, or the jews, or the muslims, or the catholics.

Its just that tom cruise is annoying. like Jehovah's Witnesses - he doesnt go away. what makes it worse is his seeming "omnipresence" in magazines, movies, TV shows... :dead:

[zenbooty]

Chosencolours! Where you been!?

[zippyjuan]

Does Scientology still do that "personality test" thing? They used to have store fronts with people out front asking if you want to take a free personality test. It was used as a recruiting device. I don't remember seeing them for a while. BUt then, I also haven't looked for them.

[LPMiller]

Okay I'll be the first to say that Scientology is full of it but I see it as no wackier or out there than... other religions that shall go nameless. Disproving Scientology is no easier than disproving any other religion. Sure you can claim that their all brainwashed but they can claim all of you are brainwashed. It's a matter of perspective; it's a matter of faith so live and let live.

I'm going to say you don't know enough about Scientology. It is NOT like any other religion. There is no 'good' part to it. Many religions, despite what any one might feel about them, have good points. Scientology doesn't. It's really a cult. It doesn't help it's people, it controls them, and breaks them. Christianity doesn't tell you to cut off family because they don't believe in god.

[InfiniteNothing]

Mat 10:36 comes pretty close. The Bible has plenty of "conditioning" in it.

[attgig]

Mat 10:36 comes pretty close. The Bible has plenty of "conditioning" in it.

good thing that there's 1 corinthians 7:12-14.

but let's not turn this into a religious thread....

[Houdini]

I'm going to say you don't know enough about Scientology. It is NOT like any other religion. There is no 'good' part to it. Many religions, despite what any one might feel about them, have good points. Scientology doesn't. It's really a cult. It doesn't help it's people, it controls them, and breaks them. Christianity doesn't tell you to cut off family because they don't believe in god.

:stupid:

This is what I predicted. I bet there will be lawsuits, etc., very soon as people realize that taking vitamins, etc., doesn't do a damn thing for schizophrenia or similar mental illnesses. Mental illness is no different from physical illness. It's all brain stuff, just like diabetes is pancreas stuff, etc. Sure, there's a stigma, on which the Scientologists capitalize.

So if a manic-depressive person commits suicide after stopping his meds b/c Scientology told him so, that can get to be a real sticky legal issue. Same with this case, in which the schizophrenic guy killed his mom. Plenty of schizophrenic people kill people, but those that are treated properly, medically, often can live good lives.

Scientology is scary. Tom Cruise thinks he knows the history of psychiatry (though in interviews, he interchanges psychology, psychiatry, antidepressants, antipsychotics, etc....proving he knows nothing), but psychiatry has a pretty well documented history. Scientology doesn't.

H <---the psychiatrist

[ialsohaveadream]

Not to go off topic here...in the off topic forum...but I read an article in Esquire about a researcher trying to prove a link between house cats and schizophrenia. Really fascinating case, actually.

[Houdini]

Not to go off topic here...in the off topic forum...but I read an article in Esquire about a researcher trying to prove a link between house cats and schizophrenia. Really fascinating case, actually.

Heh...I always knew there was something wrong with cats. My neighbor's cat obviously has auditory and visual hallucinations all the time.

Then again, Ralph Nader thinks cats cause cancer, so he avoids them.

I'm more of a dog person myself.

I'll have to check into that article, and find out what their source was. Toxo in the brain can cause symptoms that may look like schizophrenia, but that's pretty rare. :shrug:

[ialsohaveadream]

I'll have to check into that article, and find out what their source was. Toxo in the brain can cause symptoms that may look like schizophrenia, but that's pretty rare. :shrug:
Their source was the actual doctor doing the research. :)

[Houdini]

Their source was the actual doctor doing the research. :)

Heh....figured that. I just wondered if he published it somewhere in a journal or something or just submitted it to a mag. I have heard some strange relationships b/w cats and schiz, but nothing concrete. Risk factors, or at least correlations, can be shown with being born in the winter and a few other things.

[Dem0072]

Well its scientology, a religion, a very hard to believe one at that, but that makes this a religious thread.

I find nothing wrong with religion, so long as it doesn't disrupt society in a manner of which religious views inflict the mandate for a uniformity in personality and standards, but unfourtionately some religions that are designated to recruit others whether unwillingly or not do give religion a bad rap.

I see religion like I see games - theres people who make them and people who play them, unfourtionately whenever theres a bug or glitch in the game, or it crashes, or my personal favorite - network problems occur, usually the game developers are usually blamed when its commonly graphics drivers, firewall settings, and other simple tweakable options - just as this, religion gets a bad rep because of misrepresentation. It also gets a bad rep. due to malrepresentation.

One thing I strongly dislike is religions being blamed for wars - I figure it this way, Religion is the fellowship and gathering of a people, in which they recite and renounce, as well as take part in many events, according to their religious principal. To act radically and accredit it the bidding of your "god", is nothing more than a warped form of worship, as many religions don't state to take action, many radical followers find ways to pursuasively re-engineer the books, and convert people into believing their forms of worship are "holier than thou".

Thats my take on it.

[Houdini]

Well its scientology, a religion, a very hard to believe one at that, but that makes this a religious thread.

I find nothing wrong with religion, so long as it doesn't disrupt society in a manner of which religious views inflict the mandate for a uniformity in personality and standards, but unfourtionately some religions that are designated to recruit others whether unwillingly or not do give religion a bad rap.

I see religion like I see games - theres people who make them and people who play them, unfourtionately whenever theres a bug or glitch in the game, or it crashes, or my personal favorite - network problems occur, usually the game developers are usually blamed when its commonly graphics drivers, firewall settings, and other simple tweakable options - just as this, religion gets a bad rep because of misrepresentation. It also gets a bad rep. due to malrepresentation.

One thing I strongly dislike is religions being blamed for wars - I figure it this way, Religion is the fellowship and gathering of a people, in which they recite and renounce, as well as take part in many events, according to their religious principal. To act radically and accredit it the bidding of your "god", is nothing more than a warped form of worship, as many religions don't state to take action, many radical followers find ways to pursuasively re-engineer the books, and convert people into believing their forms of worship are "holier than thou".

Thats my take on it.


I guess so, but following the writings of a science fiction author and distributing propaganda and brainwashing people into avoiding medical care, which will make their lives much more enjoyable and productive (being psychotic - hearing voices, etc., isn't fun), is dispicable. Touting expensive "auditing" to exorcise volcanic aliens and taking vitamins over what has proven to work based on science, research, and clinical experience doesn't or at least shouldn't make sense to anyone who has had his/her life affected by a mental illness, be it depression, bipolar I or II, schizophrenia, anxiety disorders, and dozens more, in the modern age when research and treatment have evolved and continue to evolve at a tremendous rate to help those in question.

[Dem0072]

I guess so, but following the writings of a science fiction author and distributing propaganda and brainwashing people into avoiding medical care, which will make their lives much more enjoyable and productive (being psychotic - hearing voices, etc., isn't fun), is dispicable. Touting expensive "auditing" to exorcise volcanic aliens and taking vitamins over what has proven to work based on science, research, and clinical experience doesn't or at least shouldn't make sense to anyone who has had his/her life affected by a mental illness, be it depression, bipolar I or II, schizophrenia, anxiety disorders, and dozens more, in the modern age when research and treatment have evolved and continue to evolve at a tremendous rate to help those in question.

I agree.

Its hollywood though, marriage don't last, as a kid your lucky to grow up with 2 parents & with a family roof over your head, without drama and being pestered by anyone & everyone, raised like a droid only to take on the acting career one in the same as your parents.

I guess it can explain Tom Cruise and his scientology fit. I saw an interesting Peanuts clip of one of the characters lecturing Tom Cruise in psychology, and tom cruise goes psychotic getting up & yelling at the kid "YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF PSYCHOLOGY AND I DO!!". Rather funny, it's Dennis Learys Merry F***in Christmas, if anyone wanted to know.

[Houdini]

I agree.

Its hollywood though, marriage don't last, as a kid your lucky to grow up with 2 parents & with a family roof over your head, without drama and being pestered by anyone & everyone, raised like a droid only to take on the acting career one in the same as your parents.

I guess it can explain Tom Cruise and his scientology fit. I saw an interesting Peanuts clip of one of the characters lecturing Tom Cruise in psychology, and tom cruise goes psychotic getting up & yelling at the kid "YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF PSYCHOLOGY AND I DO!!". Rather funny, it's Dennis Learys Merry F***in Christmas, if anyone wanted to know.

Heh...like I said. Cruise doesn't even know the diff b/w psychology and psychiatry.

[ShawnLee]

Heh...like I said. Cruise doesn't even know the diff b/w psychology and psychiatry.To be fair, neither did Frasier Crane. I loved that show, but that always bothered me. The only time they recognized that psychiatrists were MD's were when they used it as a plot crutch. They went to Harvard medical, they forgot how to deliver a baby in a taxi, they could prescribe heart meds to someone who went on vacation without theirs. Other times, they were just therapists. Tobias Funke had more believability as the analrapist doctor.

By the way, are you on call tonight? Why the 3AM posting?
And more importantly. Can you fedex me some aderall or ritalin? I've always wondered what life would be like if my mind didn't wander every ten seconds.

Ooh, a cricket's chirping!