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nickel
03-23-2006, 10:12 AM
Unethical Treatment of Humans
PETA display draws hostility; condiments thrown

Posted March 23rd, 2006
Students from PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, drew an angry crowd on Sproul after displaying images that compared animal treatment to the lynching and enslavement of black Americans. About a dozen Berkeley students furiously engaged the PETA members, accusing the animal rights group of racism. The situation intensified when one member of the crowd threw ketchup and mustard on the PETA display and another tore down part of the exhibit.

One image presented by PETA featured a chained elephant foot juxtaposed with the chained foot of a slave. Another showed black individuals hanging from a tree by their necks contrasted with the image of a cow being hung by its hind legs. Several black students shouted down the PETA students and called for the display to be taken down. One student who was upset by PETA’s comparison of slavery to animal mistreatment shouted amid tears, “I’m not trying to say that people should eat meat. I understand you, but the way you’re depicting our history, the way you are depicting the things that happened to us, the thing that happened to our ancestors, it’s not ok, it’s not ok!”

Another student, identified as Autumn by her peers, tore down one of the images in a fit of rage. Dominique Nisperos, a third year Cal student, was also upset by PETA’s display and argued with one of the group’s members. When asked if tearing down the display was appropriate on a campus that touts its free speech history, Nisperos responded, “I can see why they did it.” She added that bringing up the free speech issue “isn’t getting to the root of the problem. The means at expressing [PETA’s] message was racist.” Veronica Nisperos, a Berkeley student also incensed by the exhibit, stated that the group did have a point, but the way in which they made it, “created opposition among people who should be allies.”

Sengeeta Kumar, who led the PETA group, was surprised to have encountered such a reaction at UC Berkeley. “I was really hoping that people would think critically…it became very emotional and almost dangerous in the sense that people were threatening and pulling things down and it just became unsafe,” she said. Kumar noted that her group has taken the exhibit to 13 different schools and never faced a hostile reaction.

PETA eventually gave into the pressure and dismantled their display. Kumar expressed disappointment in her organization’s inability to get their message across. “When emotions are risen, people can be closed to dialogue.” She added, “We are all part of oppression, of beings who can’t speak for themselves. Animals are enslaved in our hands. This exhibit isn’t about demeaning any people, it about uplifting humanity.”

PETA members spent the rest of the afternoon wiping off the ketchup and mustard that was sprayed on their display.
http://www.calpatriot.org/article.php?articleID=445

PETA ads that were found offensive:

http://www.calpatriot.org/images/4451143090345.jpg
PETA display comparing animal treatment to lynching

http://www.calpatriot.org/images/4451143090397.jpg
PETA display comparing animal treatment to slavery

http://www.calpatriot.org/images/4451143091249.jpg
A member of PETA wipes off ketchup and mustard thrown on the display earlier

ShawnLee
03-23-2006, 10:25 AM
I never understood that about those that most often scream for the freedom of speech. They seem so unwilling to allow that freedom to anyone that would disagree with them.

Still, PETA is despicable and the comparison of atrocities done against humans and my burger, that's sad. Did anyone other than me watch Kitchen Confidential? They only showed the last episode as a web broadcast, but it dealt with fuzzy bunnies. At the end of the episode, they're cooking rabbit meat. I have no confusion as to whether I've eaten some furry critters and placid cows, and I see no problem with it. Bring on the meat!

wung
03-23-2006, 10:34 AM
i wonder how PETA justifies their moral claim that animals and humans are equals.

ufcrusher
03-23-2006, 10:35 AM
Personally, I think PETA goes too far in general. They are almost militant in their opposition to anything and everything that might be related to an animal. I find it funny how many former PETA members can be shown to have covered their body in furs, leathers, and other animal based products.

mcs328
03-23-2006, 10:42 AM
They thought people on campus would think critically on this issue? If it were me I would have set the display on fire!!

MikeD
03-23-2006, 10:45 AM
No :love: for PETA...

People Eating Tasty Animals

;)

welfareloser
03-23-2006, 10:48 AM
yeah! slavery was bad! chaining and murdering the black man was evil! just as evil as chaining and murdering... cows. :gle:

and people were offended? poor PETA. how could they have seen that coming?

ArkiStan
03-23-2006, 11:46 AM
Kumar should go try a whitecastle burger for a change.

nickel
03-23-2006, 12:00 PM
Kumar should go try a whitecastle burger for a change.
awesome :laugh:

bachviet
03-23-2006, 06:54 PM
yeah! slavery was bad! chaining and murdering the black man was evil! just as evil as chaining and murdering... cows. :gle:

and people were offended? poor PETA. how could they have seen that coming?
:agree:

nickel
03-23-2006, 07:55 PM
how can you support that cause man? they are so out of line. that linching pic makes me :cry:, and makes me have no sympathy for the cow.

Houdini
03-23-2006, 09:38 PM
Yeah, both pics were horrible. The lynching one was particularly atrocious. Human lynchings/slavery/etc., are IN NO WAY comparable to killing (usually pretty damn "humanely" - quick bolt to the brain) animals for food. I'm with SL here. Give me my burger.

And PETA, if you want people to take you seriously, why not hold educational lectures or debates on these campuses? I love going to "Whole Foods," which I believe is a national chain catering to people who like to pay a premium for organic stuff, lots of herbal stuff, and some pretty good food.

In there, I always see at least one PETA shirted person, or several granola type college kids with similar emblems, etc., on their clothing. It's always funny watching them climb into their new leather-lined BMWs, Audis, or G35s that their evil meat-eating capitalist parents bought them. :)

molecularfire
03-23-2006, 09:41 PM
i wonder how PETA justifies their moral claim that animals and humans are equals.
How can you justify your moral claim that they aren't. Now... if in the future it does end up being widely believed that animals and humans are equals then I will be seen as a very, very, very evil person... even moreso than I am now... but fact is that this is a matter of opinion. There is no data either ways... heck not even sure how to start accumulating data on this topic. It's a matter of opinon and while I greatly disagree with their opinon, I can't say that I can justify that my POV is right either.

wung
03-23-2006, 11:49 PM
How can you justify your moral claim that they aren't. Now... if in the future it does end up being widely believed that animals and humans are equals then I will be seen as a very, very, very evil person... even moreso than I am now... but fact is that this is a matter of opinion. There is no data either ways... heck not even sure how to start accumulating data on this topic. It's a matter of opinon and while I greatly disagree with their opinon, I can't say that I can justify that my POV is right either.

right. i didn't make a moral claim that they aren't. PETA made a claim, and i was just wondering what their justification was.

jstreet
03-24-2006, 11:25 AM
They were on our campus back in November, same pictures too. They happened to be set up in a part of our campus where I'd planned to meet a friend for lunch that day - she was already screaming at the top of her lungs when I got there.

It (unsurprisingly) caused quite a commotion on our campus as well - the newspaper had a number of pieces written by professors and other University staffers and students.

molecularfire
03-24-2006, 06:42 PM
right. i didn't make a moral claim that they aren't. PETA made a claim, and i was just wondering what their justification was.
Sorry, didn't mean to put words into your mouth. It's just that you have to believe either that they are equal or they aren't. If they aren't then IMO it is ok to use and/or kill them for food, tools, and sport. If they are, then it is NOT ok to condone using or killing them for resources. Either ways, we have no data to support either side and whether I am willing to say that or not, my lifestyle says that I don't believe that they are equals. On one hand, they do kinda hava point. In the 1820's for example, the same thing was thought of blacks... that it was ok to use them and kill them because they aren't equal. They didn't have data to support that either, it was just supported by the majority opinons of those in power. I don't know of data to show otherwise since then but the majority opinion now is that they are or at least should be considered equals (which I agree with). I seriously hope that animals aren't equals. Like I said, if we are ever able to prove that they are... I am one very evil person.