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Itsme
03-27-2006, 09:15 AM
Internet providers consider new fees

Charges to be based on activity by users

By David Ho
COX NEWS SERVICE

March 27, 2006

Imagine if the Internet really worked like its old nickname, “information superhighway,” with travel costs tied to going farther and hauling more and speedier toll roads for avoiding traffic.

Major Internet providers and technology companies are betting some version of this future is on the way. But for consumers accustomed to paying one fee for unlimited Web access, such pricing might seem bizarre.

It could mean consumers paying more or less depending on what they do online. Activities that gorge on Internet capacity, or bandwidth, such as downloading videos, sharing files and playing advanced games, could rack up bigger bills than sending e-mail and perusing Web sites.

“We're getting ready to see a pretty significant explosion and growth in Internet traffic,” said Bill Smith, chief technology officer for Atlanta-based BellSouth Corp. “Depending on how that happens and when it happens, that could be a big problem for us.”

Smith, among executives speaking at the TelecomNEXT industry convention in Las Vegas earlier this month, said a crisis hasn't yet arrived, but network traffic has increased 20 percent within the past 18 months and “rich media” applications such as streaming video are becoming more common.

To prepare, BellSouth is considering new business models and technologies to keep up with increasing network demand while keeping consumer bills low and encouraging the spread of high-speed Internet access, or broadband, Smith said.

While the plans from BellSouth and others are in early stages, they've received increasing attention because of the industry and government debate over “network neutrality,” the concept of free and equal access on the Internet.

Consumer groups and Internet content providers, such as search giant Google and Internet phone company Vonage, want to prevent phone and cable companies from creating tiers of access or making other network changes that could discriminate against some online services.

“Allowing broadband carriers to control what people see and do online would fundamentally undermine the principles that have made the Internet such a success,” Vinton Cerf, Google's “chief Internet evangelist,” told a Senate committee recently.

The service providers and companies that make Internet equipment oppose new regulations that they say would stifle innovation and new business models needed in a rapidly changing marketplace. While pledging not to limit what consumers do online, they say networks must be maintained and improved and someone will have to pay for it.

Phone companies have proposed charging fees to companies that generate high volumes of online traffic, such as Web portals like Yahoo! Another proposal would allow companies to pay for access to network “toll roads” that provide preferential treatment by delivering content to consumers with greater speed and reliability.

Among the most vocal supporters for exploring new Internet business models have been Cisco Systems CEO John Chambers and Ed Whitacre, chief executive of San Antonio-based AT&T.

AT&T is “exploring different products and business models, but we feel strongly that this is an issue that has to be solved in the competitive marketplace,” spokesman Michael Balmoris said.

Consumers already have begun seeing changes in Internet billing, with tiers of service based on connection speeds.

But subscribers paying more for faster connections doesn't address the bandwidth-usage issue, said Smith of BellSouth. He said someone with faster access might be online only briefly to play a game, while a person with a slower connection could be constantly downloading videos or sharing files.

Smith said raising monthly fees for all customers is an option to bring in more revenue and pay for networks, but that it could have a “chilling effect” on the adoption of broadband and doesn't address the uneven way people use the Internet.

On BellSouth's networks, 1 percent of subscribers use 40 percent of the online capacity while the vast majority of users – 80 percent – drive only 20 percent of the traffic, Smith said.

Cisco, which builds network equipment, has proposed a business model whereby consumers would pay a low fee for basic Internet access for Web surfing and e-mail, and additional charges for bandwidth-hungry applications such as file sharing and video streaming.

“You can buy your Mercedes or you can buy your Hyundai and pay accordingly,” said Jeff Campbell, Cisco's director of technology and communications policy. He said consumers might pay an extra $5 or $10 a month to ensure a better connection.

Kudos
03-27-2006, 09:25 AM
If it was modelled correctly, I wouldn't care...but the prices are insane as it is.

Plus, a lot of people are going to be angry, paying online subscriptions for games, and then having to pay even more money to the ISP just to play their games.

Forget using stuff like sirius.com online or any other radio program that constantly streams data. *shiver*

I think it would change the way people do things too.
If I knew it was going to cost me X amount of money to log onto itunes or whatever, pay to download the music video or movie, and then have to worry about paying my extra fees for the bandwidth I use, I might as well go out and buy the CD or DVD, and then burn it to the computer.

And downloading patches....new modules for games, new maps, etc etc....yeesh, I hope this never happens.

After my encounter with Amp'd Mobile, I don't like the idea of paying for bandwith. Especially after you have to purchase the bandwidth, just to purchase the item...and what happens if the file gets corrupted? you have to use more bandwidth to re-download the items etc etc

Thesifer
03-27-2006, 09:37 AM
If it were like a set fee. 5$ more or something, It would be no different then the Tiered Program that Cox Currently has. But if it's some sort of metered thing, I think I would have to protest that in some way.

zero2dash
03-27-2006, 01:15 PM
Doesn't unlimited internet access carry any value anymore? Sheesh. :shifty:
If SBC starts "pricing tiers", then I'll switch providers to someone who doesn't.

bachviet
03-27-2006, 07:07 PM
It already costs too much for high speed internet in the States.

Itsme
03-27-2006, 07:10 PM
It's possible this is just a straw-man for what is expected to be the next major change in the web....basically two tiers of service....one at today's type speeds, and another at 10+ times speeds at a higher price.

kimchicowboy
03-27-2006, 07:18 PM
$14.95 deals from sbc and verizon are totally affordable. but i don't know how people afford to pay $50+ for internet. sheesh.

Thesifer
03-27-2006, 08:14 PM
$14.95 deals from sbc and verizon are totally affordable. but i don't know how people afford to pay $50+ for internet. sheesh.

I could afford that easily. If I had a reason (Internet was actually going slow at all or noticeably) I would definately pay. If they come out with some screaming speed and I find a reason for it, I will do that also.

I do a lot of my work on the internet.

zero2dash
03-28-2006, 07:56 AM
It already costs too much for high speed internet in the States.

Everybody already beat me to the $15 SBC DSL "Basic" pkg price. :) Very inexpensive. (1500/384)
I've had SBC DSL "Pro" pkg for several years for $36/mo for 2500/512 speeds and that's still cheap for the speed. Meanwhile you've got providers like Earthlink (who I had years ago) still charging $50 for 1500/384 which is ridiculous.

Paymaster
03-28-2006, 08:30 AM
The city of Roseville, CA has a DSL monopoly, so if you want DSL, you pay $50.00 a month. While I was of course pissed that people a few blocks away could get the $15.00 SBC package, it was still worth it to me. If raising prices means that they won't try to nickel and dime us constantly, then I am fine with that...

smeakim
03-29-2006, 09:48 AM
Well you all should feel lucky. Here in CO we get screwed. We have the choice of QWEST or COMCAST. Qwest is 31.99 for DSL. Comcast is 56 a month for cable. I don't use the internet that much but i do like to download music and surf. I would love to be able to get 256K DSL at 19.99 month.

Itsme
03-31-2006, 06:29 AM
One of my hobbies is entering AND WINNING sweepstakes online. The cost of high-speed via cable is easily afforded by winning just one prize a month. I actually win a few things a week...have been doing that for more than 5 years.

Maarchk
03-31-2006, 04:47 PM
One of my hobbies is entering AND WINNING sweepstakes online. The cost of high-speed via cable is easily afforded by winning just one prize a month. I actually win a few things a week...have been doing that for more than 5 years.

CAn you detail this a little further? You win furbies or something and sell them on ebay?

ArkiStan
04-02-2006, 04:13 PM
In number, there are obviously many more causal "AOL-type" internet surfers who simply check their email for 10 minutes a day than there are hardcore surfers/downloaders like most of us here. I think this marketing strategy is simply targeting the many casual users who don't want to pay $50 to check their email. It may piss off a few people like us, but they gain a lot more by aiming for the larger market.

Dem0072
04-05-2006, 02:15 AM
In number, there are obviously many more causal "AOL-type" internet surfers who simply check their email for 10 minutes a day than there are hardcore surfers/downloaders like most of us here. I think this marketing strategy is simply targeting the many casual users who don't want to pay $50 to check their email. It may piss off a few people like us, but they gain a lot more by aiming for the larger market.

I beg to differ, as yes it targets low bandwidth users, but picture this -

Ever seen the pice of a battlefield 2 server? $5 a slot for ranked. Say you want an (average) 32 slot server, thats $160 a month. Now you have the VOIP (voice over IP) server included so people can join squads & talk to eachother, you add the 9 different UDP ports it takes for various services & applications to function so it hosts properly...

When you charge people extra just for heavy bandwidth usage - your asking for it. It's like charging people for putting mileage on the car they have bought & paid for - you buy the car, you buy the gas, leave the owner alone already.

If web browsing & email is all people want - they have services for that. Its called $15 a month DSL, if you want to play games heavily, you can pay for the $40 a month GOOD DSL, or if you wanna host anything/download WHILE you play, you can buy Cable, at $50 a month.

The bandwidth consumption issues aren't solved at peoples homes, the networks need to expand, it's Business ethics - called meet demand with supply & think ahead.

They say the networks aren't doing the job, well I say they should do according & any server running off oh say, an OC-12, should switch to an OC-48, any OC-48, should go for OC-92, any OC-92 big@$$ data zone, should convert to the new technology of OC-192.

First there was Dialup, then there was high end 56k dialup, then DSL (ADSL being the new stuff), then cable. That to me offers a fine enough range, anyone only needing it for an email sitting back checking it for 10 minutes a day need not any further than Dialup and a system with 256 megs of ram.

I'd even bet you would free up a nice fair share of traffic if you jailed some spammers.

Merlin
04-05-2006, 05:06 AM
So does this mean that I start getting a rebate on my whopping cable bill if I don't download too much?


Yeah, I didn't think so.

zero2dash
04-05-2006, 11:33 AM
So does this mean that I start getting a rebate on my whopping cable bill if I don't download too much?


Yeah, I didn't think so.

How about that rebate from Microsoft/Apple for downloading updates to their OS - you know, to keep out hackers? Do we get rebates for that too? Or should we all just start running un-updated computers if the prices go up? :shrug:

For that reason and that reason alone - I don't see this happening ever.
OS/software updates often come in large chunks. (Especially game updates.) I just downloaded a 100+ meg update bundle for Adobe Creative Suite 2 the other night. Am I supposed to pay extra money the month that I have to update? (repeating) Yeah, I didn't think so. :idea: