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Itsme
04-05-2006, 06:39 AM
Netflix sues Blockbuster to shut online service

By Reuters

Published: April 4, 2006, 5:45 PM PDT

Online DVD rental company Netflix on Tuesday sued rival Blockbuster for patent infringement, asking a federal judge in Northern California to shut down Blockbuster's 18-month-old online rental service and award Netflix damages, according to a copy of the filing.

Blockbuster declined to comment, saying it had not received a copy of the lawsuit.

Netflix, which was founded in 1999, holds two U.S. patents for its business methodology, which calls for subscribers to pay a monthly fee to select and rent DVDs from the company's Web site and to maintain a list of titles telling Netflix in which order to ship the films, according to the patents, which were included as exhibits in the lawsuit.

The first patent, granted in 2003, covers the method by which Netflix customers select and receive a certain number of movies at a time, and return them for more titles.

The second patent, issued on Tuesday, "covers a method for subscription-based online rental that allows subscribers to keep the DVDs they rent for as long as they wish without incurring any late fees, to obtain new DVDs without incurring additional charges and to prioritize and reprioritize their own personal dynamic queue--of DVDs to be rented," the lawsuit said.

The lawsuit says No. 1 U.S. rental chain Blockbuster, which launched its online rental service in 2004, was aware that Netflix had obtained a patent for its business method and was seeking a second, but willfully and deliberately violated the existing patent.

Netflix, which is represented by the San Francisco law firm of Keker & Van Nest, is demanding a jury trial and asks that Blockbuster Online be enjoined from using Netflix's business method and be forced to pay damages and court costs.

"We felt it necessary to take this action to protect our rights as inventors of the very unique business methods that Netflix offers," Netflix spokesman Steve Swasey said on Tuesday.

"Netflix created a very unique service, from the dynamic queue, to the idea of letting subscribers keep movies as long as they want with no late fees, to the idea of allowing customers to get new DVDs as soon as they return old ones," Swasey said.

Since launching its online rental service in August 2004, Blockbuster has poured more than $300 million into setting it up and marketing it.

But a debt load of more than $1 billion and weakness in its primary business of store-based movie rentals forced the Dallas-based company to cut back its marketing investments this year in Blockbuster Online, which has 1 million subscribers, compared with 4.2 million for Netflix.

Shares of Netflix closed down 72 cents to $27.41 a share on Nasdaq before the suit was reported, while shares of Blockbuster fell 8 cents to $3.80 on the New York Stock Exchange.

Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter, who also is an attorney, said it was unclear whether Netflix's challenge to Blockbuster's online service would be upheld by the federal court.

"It's my opinion that it won't be," Pachter said. "Blockbuster detrimentally relied on their silence as consent. If in fact (Netflix) feels so damaged they should have sought injunctive relief before Blockbuster rolled out its service."

Thesifer
04-05-2006, 09:38 AM
"It's my opinion that it won't be," Pachter said. "Blockbuster detrimentally relied on their silence as consent. If in fact (Netflix) feels so damaged they should have sought injunctive relief before Blockbuster rolled out its service."

Seems like maybe they were waiting to get the Official Second Patent before the Lawsuit which was "issued on tuesday"

Oh well.. I have stock in Netflix.. I vote Netflix :P

MrGreg
04-05-2006, 10:20 AM
My previous employer (consulting) did a lot of work helping Blockbuster put together their mail rental program. I almost got put on that project, but luckily I was able to talk my way out of it.

zippyjuan
04-05-2006, 10:35 AM
Patenting a way of doing business sounds like a strange concept to me. If someone had patented telephone sales would that mean that nobody else could do it without paying them a licensening fee?

Cubsfan
04-05-2006, 11:15 AM
Patents in general are screwed up (or at least many of them are, such as some software and business patents).

I always thought that you had to defend a patent ASAP in order to ever be able to defend it. Like the guy in the article said, if they've let them 'infringe' on the first patent for this long, I think they may have lost their standing to sue them over it. No idea on the second one though.

VTGreg
04-05-2006, 11:47 AM
Patenting a way of doing business sounds like a strange concept to me. If someone had patented telephone sales would that mean that nobody else could do it without paying them a licensening fee?

I agree. The idea that you can patent letting subscribers pay a monthly fee to keep x movies without incurring late fees and maintaining their own queue goes a bit far IMO. I could understand them patenting the way their queue interface works or something along those lines but patenting a business model is a little much.

Bires
04-05-2006, 02:22 PM
I think this is an advertising ploy to say "Blockbuster is a big faker. We are the real internet video store"

I use BB. They're a great value.

ufcrusher
04-05-2006, 04:52 PM
The theory of laches is that if a person sits on their rights and fails to assert them, then they cant bring that claim at a later time. The fact that Blockbuster has been operating this way for over 2 years without Netflix bringing it up will be used to prove the laches defense.

Additionally, there will be issues with asserting that their business model is proprietary...patent or no patent.

ArkiStan
04-05-2006, 09:14 PM
Patent issues set aside, I think blockbuster online copies everything netflix does a little too blatantly. Have you actually visited the site? Even the main page for new customers that describes the rental plans features a couple sitting on a couch with popcorn, just like netflix's.

Thesifer
04-05-2006, 10:26 PM
Not anymore it doesn't seem to have that :P

VTGreg
04-06-2006, 05:17 AM
Patent issues set aside, I think blockbuster online copies everything netflix does a little too blatantly. Have you actually visited the site? Even the main page for new customers that describes the rental plans features a couple sitting on a couch with popcorn, just like netflix's.

Didn't blockbuster have an advertisement like that in the past? Maybe netflix copied blockbuster in the first place.

InfiniteNothing
04-06-2006, 09:48 AM
So what if it copys? Competition is good for the consumer. You can't beat the instore rental coupons of blockbuster. They are great for when friends stop by and you need to get something everyone has to agree on.

Freelance Superhero
04-06-2006, 04:48 PM
hmmm... can you say "monopoly?"

fwiw, i'd choose netflix over blockbuster any day. blockbuster's selection is terrible. i've found lots of titles on netflix that BB didn't carry.

VTGreg
04-06-2006, 06:06 PM
Depends on your definition of monopoly. If these patents were upheld, blockbuster wouldn't be able to continue their online rental program, but they still have an enormous B&M based rental program. Some choose netflix and blockbuster online for the selection and conveinence and others choose to go into their local blockbuster for a movie at the last minute. Both will continue to be used. I think MOD has the opportunity to eat up market share of both of these companies as more movies are made available.

ArkiStan
04-08-2006, 04:33 AM
I'm doing the first-month for 9.99 deal with BB simultaneously with netflix. Each have their strengths in terms of collection. I personally prefer netflix, but BB is coming in handy for those few movies that have long wait times on Netflix, especially anime. They seem tom complement each other well. Hopefully I'll get all the ones I need from BB in the first month so I can cancel. And yes the in-store coupons are great.

Bires
04-08-2006, 07:00 AM
BTW: BB claims to use their customer's cues to determine if they need more copies available online. So, load up those cues with videos you might want to rent in the future to help assure they will be available later. My cue = 40 flicks right now. (Lovin G.I.T.S: Stand Alone Complex)

Devhux
04-08-2006, 11:02 AM
The theory of laches is that if a person sits on their rights and fails to assert them, then they cant bring that claim at a later time. The fact that Blockbuster has been operating this way for over 2 years without Netflix bringing it up will be used to prove the laches defense.

Additionally, there will be issues with asserting that their business model is proprietary...patent or no patent.

Guess that defense didn't work well for RIM when NTP sued them for patent infringement -- well after the Blackberries caught on.