VW Jetta TDI

[nhbilly]

oops looking at the TDI 2006

I might be getting this for my wife.....what's your 2 cent?

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/volkswagen/jetta/100544987/ratings_consumer.html

:cheers:

[sizemic1]

I like the diesels. More manufacturers need to start making versions that meet US EPA requirements.

[InfiniteNothing]

SUVs meet EPA requirements too. It doesn't make them clean.

[sizemic1]

Huh?
I just mean a lot of manufacturers can't meet EPA with their current diesels. I'm not dissing diesels because they aren't "green".

[Houdini]

Diesel fuel is a lot more $$ than regular old gas. And it's not very clean, though the Euro's like it a lot. Technology is improving re: pollution, etc., but I wouldn't be so quick to buy one just yet.

H <--- my computer (laptop) just made a big explosive sound. Not a hardware failure OH $$$$! sound, but a loud speaker explosive sound. WTF? No spyware that I know of. No virius activity either. Weird.

[cheapie]

diesel trucks are likely more clean than the cars. well, the '07 engines will be. i think.

[Jeffbx]

The TDI is a nice little car, but you pay a pretty big premium for that diesel engine. That's about an $18-20k car that will cost you about $22-24k.

I actually drove around in one of these last week (my friend works for VW & had one for a while). The mileage is amazing - you can get over 700 miles from a single tank of gas once the engine is broken in. It's got some nice features & I liked it.

However, VW is not the best in terms of quality these days - I'd recommend a short term lease rather than a purchase.

[LegendKiller]

Diesel fuel is a lot more $$ than regular old gas. And it's not very clean, though the Euro's like it a lot. Technology is improving re: pollution, etc., but I wouldn't be so quick to buy one just yet.

H <--- my computer (laptop) just made a big explosive sound. Not a hardware failure OH $$$$! sound, but a loud speaker explosive sound. WTF? No spyware that I know of. No virius activity either. Weird.

Particulates from diesel has dropped significantly, almost to the level of normal gas. Even though it's more expensive, you also get a much larger bang for your buck through greatly improved mileage.

As long as you aren't in a very cold climate, where diesel can sometimes be a pain, then there are no worries.

[nhbilly]

Particulates from diesel has dropped significantly, almost to the level of normal gas. Even though it's more expensive, you also get a much larger bang for your buck through greatly improved mileage.



literally bang :happy:


it is expensive compare to a hybrid but more toruqier.....
wish honda or toyota has a diesel powered car in the US

[InfiniteNothing]

Particulates from diesel has dropped significantly, almost to the level of normal gas. Even though it's more expensive, you also get a much larger bang for your buck through greatly improved mileage.

As long as you aren't in a very cold climate, where diesel can sometimes be a pain, then there are no worries.
What about the NOx and SOx. The stuff of acid rain and uh death. Diesel will be clean but it is not yet.


literally bang :happy:


it is expensive compare to a hybrid but more toruqier.....
wish honda or toyota has a diesel powered car in the US

Doesn't the prius electric motor have like 250 ft-lbs?

[nhbilly]

What about the NOx and SOx. The stuff of acid rain and uh death. Diesel will be clean but it is not yet.



Doesn't the prius electric motor have like 250 ft-lbs?

http://www.toyota.com/prius/specs.html


Always pros and cons but regardless - higher mpg is what I am looking for.:kawaii:

[Houdini]

What about the NOx and SOx. The stuff of acid rain and uh death. Diesel will be clean but it is not yet.


That's what I was thinking. The technology needs better scrubbers, from the last stats I read.



Doesn't the prius electric motor have like 250 ft-lbs?

Maybe so, but that may be at the crankshaft (well, not the crankshaft, as it's electric, but at the motor itself), but maybe not at the wheels, and diesels are known for low-end torque, where most gas engines typically generate more torque at higher RPMs. As far as electrics go, as I said, I'm really not sure. :shrug:

[InfiniteNothing]

http://www.toyota.com/prius/specs.html


Always pros and cons but regardless - higher mpg is what I am looking for.:kawaii:
Wow, 300ftlbs on the electric engine (another 80 on the gas engine)! Uhhh so if you're looking for MPG (and really we should talk MP$) you should still go with the hybrid right?

That's what I was thinking. The technology needs better scrubbers, from the last stats I read.



Maybe so, but that may be at the crankshaft (well, not the crankshaft, as it's electric, but at the motor itself), but maybe not at the wheels, and diesels are known for low-end torque, where most gas engines typically generate more torque at higher RPMs. As far as electrics go, as I said, I'm really not sure. :shrug:
Heh. Okay so subtract 10% for losses. 342 ftlbs is alot of torque

[nhbilly]

Heh. Okay so subtract 10% for losses. 342 ftlbs is alot of torque


i wonder how usable it is and where it begins and peaks - or i guess until the battery dies?

[InfiniteNothing]

It's a CVT. It stays at one point in the RPMS for the most part. Also, the battery never dies. It's a nonplug hybrid and the gas engine will keep the battery charged.

[guiseppewv]

Diesel fuel is a lot more $$ than regular old gas. And it's not very clean, though the Euro's like it a lot. Technology is improving re: pollution, etc., but I wouldn't be so quick to buy one just yet.

H <--- my computer (laptop) just made a big explosive sound. Not a hardware failure OH $$$$! sound, but a loud speaker explosive sound. WTF? No spyware that I know of. No virius activity either. Weird.

FYI: Diesel is actually cheaper around here than most gas is. Diesel - is ~$2.90 and gas is ~$3.

[guiseppewv]

What about the NOx and SOx. The stuff of acid rain and uh death. Diesel will be clean but it is not yet.



Doesn't the prius electric motor have like 250 ft-lbs?

SOx should be almost completely eliminated b/c of the new formulation of diesel that go into effect this year. The new formulation is equivalent to the "clean" diesel they use in Europe which has very low sulfur. I think I read somewhere that the amount of SOx coming out the tail pipe should be reduced by 88%.

Interesting note:

“There is more petroleum embodied in that gallon of diesel than a gallon of gasoline,” said Patricia Monahan, senior analyst for the group. “It takes about 25 percent more oil to make low-sulfur diesel than gasoline. You should still get a reduction in petroleum usage, but it's not as simple as saying that because diesel gets better fuel economy it is going to reduce petroleum use.”

LINK (http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060207/news_1n7diesel.html)

I did not realize that diesel requires 25% more petroleum to produce.

[Houdini]

FYI: Diesel is actually cheaper around here than most gas is. Diesel - is ~$2.90 and gas is ~$3.

Wow...it's more expensive here than gasoline, and we usually get cheaper gas than the rest of the country, except for maybe Georgia.

[Kudos]

diesel in NJ (at least where I am) is cheaper, or the same price as regular gasoline

[InfiniteNothing]

SOx should be almost completely eliminated b/c of the new formulation of diesel that go into effect this year. The new formulation is equivalent to the "clean" diesel they use in Europe which has very low sulfur. I think I read somewhere that the amount of SOx coming out the tail pipe should be reduced by 88%.

Interesting note:


LINK (http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060207/news_1n7diesel.html)

I did not realize that diesel requires 25% more petroleum to produce.
Yes... will be clean, though I wonder if the low sulfur stuff will cost more.


diesel in NJ (at least where I am) is cheaper, or the same price as regular gasoline
Yeah, sometimes I see it as high as 91 oct sometimes a bit lower than 87.

[guiseppewv]

Yes... will be clean, though I wonder if the low sulfur stuff will cost more.



From the fact that it requires 25% more petroleum to produce a gallon of diesel compared to gas I would say it is safe to say that diesel always will be more expensive.

[InfiniteNothing]

I think that's probably a good average especially with cleaner standards (purity always costs). The reason why it doesn't work all the time is supply and demand. ie. lets say from a gallon of oil I can make .9 gallons of gasoline and a few lbs of natural gas or you can make .7 gallons of diesel and a few lbs of butane... I don't know where I'm going with this.

[Houdini]

I think that's probably a good average especially with cleaner standards (purity always costs). The reason why it doesn't work all the time is supply and demand. ie. lets say from a gallon of oil I can make .9 gallons of gasoline and a few lbs of natural gas or you can make .7 gallons of diesel and a few lbs of butane... I don't know where I'm going with this.

The butane could fill a lot of lighters. :bandit: But yeah, I agree. And diesel is green and oily.

[guiseppewv]

I think that's probably a good average especially with cleaner standards (purity always costs). The reason why it doesn't work all the time is supply and demand. ie. lets say from a gallon of oil I can make .9 gallons of gasoline and a few lbs of natural gas or you can make .7 gallons of diesel and a few lbs of butane... I don't know where I'm going with this.

:heh: You crack me up but I do understand the jist of what I think you are trying to get across.

[nhbilly]

diesel cars can run BIO DIESEL! Mmmmmm fries from the tail pipe