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nickel
05-08-2006, 08:53 AM
Have they gone too far this time?

Did you have an ice cream truck visit your neighborhood when you were a kid?


Why ice-cream vans face total meltdown

Those familiar jingles could be a thing of the past if a health campaign succeeds

FOR 60 years the tinny jingle of Greensleeves that announced the arrival of the ice-cream van has been an indelible memory of childhood, but that sound may soon be removed from suburban streets. Health lobbyists have decided that ice-creams are too much of a danger to children’s health.

MPs and health officials are planning a series of measures across the country that are already forcing Mr Whippy and his helpers into meltdown.

Under an amendment to the Education and Inspection Bill to be put forward this week, local authorities will be given new powers to stop ice-cream vans from operating near school gates. The move comes as operators claim that they are already being forced out of business by an over-zealous health lobby.

Local authorities have in recent weeks banned ice-cream vans from using pay-and-display parking spaces and set up “ice-cream-free”exclusion zones around busy shopping streets. Newham council, in east London, informed vendors last month that it would fine van owners up to £80 if they used pay-and-display bays. Greenwich council, in southeast London, has banned the vans from its streets altogether, while in Scotland, West Dunbartonshire council has introduced an exclusion zone around schools for vans.

Mark Gossage, the director of Ice Cream Alliance that represented 20,000 van owners in the 1960s and now has 700 members, said that many of his members can no longer make a living. “Many schools have already stopped arrangements for vans to sell to pupils,” he said. “They are wiping us out.”

There are about 5,000 ice-cream vans in Britain. In times gone by they would have parked at the side of most roads; but times have changed. The amendment would grant local authorities the power to ban ice-cream vans from parking near schools.

One dietitian told The Times that a ban on ice-cream vans near schools would be a draconian policy that may drive children to buy even less healthy foods at nearby shops.

Catherine Collins, the chief dietitian at St George’s Hospital, Tooting, south London, said: “This is the kind of blanket ban that gives the health lobby a bad name. A healthy diet can factor in a sugary treat such as an ice-cream. It is the frequency of that treat that is an issue. Most choices from an ice-cream van would provide fewer calories and fat compared to a free choice from a newsagent.”

Horse-drawn vans selling flavoured ices were first seen on cobbled streets in the 19th century. Motorised vans followed in the 1950s, selling hard, scooped or soft ice-cream.

By the 1980s the business had become so lucrative that gangs fought over the right to sell to certain streets. In 1984 a row between Glasgow-based gangs led to the murder of six members of the Doyle family, who had run the Marchetti ice-cream company. The sector has since declined because of the availability of ice-creams from shops and garages. The few vendors left said last week they would be out of business if the amendment was passed.

John Barrowclough, whose Iced Treats van stops outside schools around Wolverhampton, said he had been forced to sell one of his two vans. because of a clampdown.

“We sell a lot of ice-creams near schools,” he said. “Of course no one wants to see fat kids, but most children have an ice-cream once a week, not every day.”

Sefer Huseyin, whose family have run Five Star Catering ice-cream vans in Camberwell, southeast London, since the 1960s, said that his vans had been banned from schools. “Telling vendors they are not allowed near schools is the wrong message,” he said. “They have been going there for years and their livelihood is being taken away from them.”

However, the amendment is supported by some health campaigners. Chris Waterman, the executive director of the Confederation of Education and Children’s Services Managers, said ice-cream vans should be restricted. “There are millions going into healthy food in schools, yet kids are rushing to spend their money on food from mobile vans,” he said.

“The ice-cream van industry may be saying it is in meltdown but for the sake of our children’s health and safety we should keep the icons at Bournemouth and Blackpool but stop them driving around schools.”




TREAT OR HEALTH HAZARD?


A large single ice cream cone contains about 139 calories and 6g of fat. A chocolate Flake adds about 100 calories and another 6g of fat

Many ice-creams and iced lollies in wrappings contain between 40-100 calories. A Mars Bar contains nearly 300 calories

A serving of rich vanilla ice cream will typically contain 90ml milk, 90ml double cream or whipping cream, a vanilla pod, an egg yolk and 25g of caster sugar

Some soft ice cream sold on the streets can contain saturated vegetable fat, sugar, milk powder, artificial flavourings and additives including E407 and E122.

Toppings are usually a mix of glucose syrup, additives, synthetic flavourings, artificial sweeteners and preservatives

Depending on whom you believe, “99s” were first made by Cadbury’s in the 1930s as a tribute to the King of Italy’s bodyguard, traditionally composed of 99 troops; or a tribute by Italian café owners to Il Ragazzi del 99, a band of soldiers who fought in the Battle of the Piave River in the First World War; or named after the address of the Edinburgh-based Arcari ice-cream dynasty at 99 Portobello High Street

The two most popular ice cream van jingles today are O Solo Mio by Eduardo Di Capua — popularly known as the Cornetto theme — and Greensleeves.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2170199,00.html

Cubsfan
05-08-2006, 09:05 AM
Sure, the stuff may be unhealthy, but the kids who eat it are probably already outside playing, and getting exercise.

johnnymk
05-08-2006, 09:18 AM
I think that it's a geat idea...not only from the fat content of the ice cream, but those drivers could easily run over those poor kid's toes. Besides, the repetition of the tunes emanating from the van's speakers could make them insane. :heh:

LegendKiller
05-08-2006, 09:26 AM
I think that it's a geat idea...not only from the fat content of the ice cream, but those drivers could easily run over those poor kid's toes. Besides, the repetition of the tunes emanating from the van's speakers could make them insane. :heh:


Of course, they could get run over by any car, so should they ban all cars? They also get fat from other places, so should they ban fat?

Further decreasing personal responsibility and placing it in the hands of those who should not have it.

MikeD
05-08-2006, 09:34 AM
Of course, they could get run over by any car, so should they ban all cars? They also get fat from other places, so should they ban fat?

Further decreasing personal responsibility and placing it in the hands of those who should not have it.

:stupid:

It's an institution. I doubt what the kids grab off the trucks is much worse than what most parents give their kids.

I don't mind my little guys grabbing a treat from time to time if they eat well. They love the ice cream truck, too...that jingle it plays, you can hear it coming from a mile away. Hell, even I grab a Cherry Super Freeze off of it from time to time. :hihi:

http://www.marinaicecream.com/images/Super%20Freeze®%20Cherry.gif

MrGreg
05-08-2006, 10:37 AM
On nice days an icecream truck comes around my neighborhood. Every time I hear it, in my head I hear Eddy Murphy yelling "ICE CREAM!" from his standup routine.

Thesifer
05-08-2006, 11:12 AM
All I think about whenever I see those seedy looking Ice Cream trucks driving around San Diego are child molestors. I know most of them aren't that's just what it always makes me think of.

johnnymk
05-08-2006, 11:17 AM
Of course, they could get run over by any car, so should they ban all cars? They also get fat from other places, so should they ban fat?

Further decreasing personal responsibility and placing it in the hands of those who should not have it.


I was joking. That was the reason for the laughing smiley

cheapie
05-08-2006, 11:19 AM
:heh: my kids thought it was "the music truck" until i finally broke down and bought them something from it. now that they know what it does, it's a bit of a pain when it comes around. the ol' "we already have popsicles in the freezer" doesn't work so well because everyone knows they won't taste as good as his bomb pop!

LegendKiller
05-08-2006, 11:28 AM
I was joking. That was the reason for the laughing smiley


Sorry, I thought that was just in relation to the last comment. My bad! I should have known better though, considering your general opinions about things...

gwilks98
05-08-2006, 11:33 AM
It's not like the truck is parked in the neighborhood, like the soda machines that permanently sit in schools. We're talking something that goes by once a day. Health freaks need to give it a rest. I don't see them banning the crappy 80% grade F circus meat you find in school cafeterias...

cheapie
05-08-2006, 11:38 AM
oh man. or the crappy ravioli that they used to serve. yummmm.....

nickel
05-08-2006, 11:39 AM
It's not like the truck is parked in the neighborhood, like the soda machines that permanently sit in schools. We're talking something that goes by once a day. Health freaks need to give it a rest. I don't see them banning the crappy 80% grade F circus meat you find in school cafeterias...
*memories of school lunch "mystery meat"*

school lunches really are poor. we did get a fruit/veggie every day though, but that doesn't do much good when most kids dump it.

as to the original topic: they've gone too far. i don't think they need to ban ice cream trucks (and i think here they are speaking of banning them from school yards).
i don't think it's going to contribute to solving the bigger issue (obesity) at all.


oh man. or the crappy ravioli that they used to serve. yummmm.....
we had something that we dubbed "beef barf on bun" periodically. :shake:

cheapie
05-08-2006, 11:49 AM
ick. we generally liked our food. well, we were poor and were happy when we got to have a school lunch. mom and dad were too proud to get the free lunches even though i'm sure we would have qualified.

cadetevon
05-08-2006, 11:52 AM
ick. we generally liked our food. well, we were poor and were happy when we got to have a school lunch. mom and dad were too proud to get the free lunches even though i'm sure we would have qualified.

:stupid:

We had to brown bag it every single day. On the rare occasion that mom forgot to send us with lunch we never, ever, ever reminded her because we knew we'd get school lunch.

And if I said my prayers REALLY hard then we'd have chicken ala king or sloppy joes on those days.

sizemic1
05-08-2006, 12:02 PM
I'm glad I was a kid when I was. Seems like all a kid can do now is stay home and play xbox. Hardly a stimulating childhood.

Gone are the days of BB Gun fights, riding a bike all over the place, building forts in some empty piece of land, etc, etc, etc... Now you can't even buy a freakin' bomb pop?!

kimchicowboy
05-08-2006, 12:10 PM
but mr. softie HAS to be on every NYC street corner selling overpriced ice cream cones. hahaha

i miss my neighborhood mom&pop ice cream truck.

brainsmile
05-08-2006, 12:28 PM
On nice days an icecream truck comes around my neighborhood. Every time I hear it, in my head I hear Eddy Murphy yelling "ICE CREAM!" from his standup routine.:stupid:

cadetevon
05-08-2006, 01:25 PM
On nice days an icecream truck comes around my neighborhood. Every time I hear it, in my head I hear Eddy Murphy yelling "ICE CREAM!" from his standup routine.

:stupid: :stupid:

Totally, and he sounded *just* like all us kids in the neighborhood.

guiseppewv
05-08-2006, 02:45 PM
we had something that we dubbed "beef barf on bun" periodically. :shake:

We used to get SOS ($**t on a shingle) at my school. It was actually pretty good. I thought hs food was better than college dorm food.


:heh: my kids thought it was "the music truck" until i finally broke down and bought them something from it. now that they know what it does, it's a bit of a pain when it comes around. the ol' "we already have popsicles in the freezer" doesn't work so well because everyone knows they won't taste as good as his bomb pop!

That is great!!! :heh: "the music truck" LMAO :heh: