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Itsme
05-17-2006, 09:59 AM
When is someone in our gov't going to stand up and tell Mexico where to go...

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Mexico, ACLU Preparing Lawsuit Against US Over Guard Deployment

By Jim Kouri, CPP on May 17, 2006
A representative from Mexican President Vicente Fox claims that if the US National Guard troops detain illegal aliens crossing the US-Mexico border, the Fox government will file a lawsuit against the Bush Administration in US federal court.

At first, such a scenario appears ridiculous until you remember some of the people serving as judges in the US at the state and federal levels. In the words of Ann Coulter, these are some of the people who hallucinate when they read our Constitution.

There are some political observers who believe that the American Civil Liberties Union is preparing to assist the Mexican government in such a lawsuit. In fact, the ACLU sent a statement to the Mexican government regarding their stance on immigration enforcement.

As Congress moves forward to reform our nation’s immigration laws, the ACLU said the US must reject measures that threaten to increase the bloodshed on our borders. “Innocent peoples’ lives and liberty should not be threatened by this dangerous deployment,” said ACLU Director Anthony Romero.

Following President Bush’s speech on Monday night, the American Civil Liberties Union urged the president and congress to reject any measures that fail to uphold the letter and spirit of our laws and encouraged lawmakers to adopt immigration reform that protects the freedom and privacy of all in America. Conservatives are wholeheartedly in favor of upholding the “letter of the law,” but it’s the so-called “spirit of the law” that leads to the problems in the US on a multitude of issues.

“Turning immigration enforcement policy into another military operation is not the answer. The president’s proposed deployment of National Guard troops violates the spirit of the Posse Comitatus Act, which prohibits the military from getting into the business of civilian law enforcement,” says Romero.

Mr. Romero failed to mention how National Guard troops are routinely deployed fully armed for disasters such as Katrina or terrorist attacks such as 9-11. In fact, during riots and other dangerous incidents, Guard troops are deployed without hesitation on the part of elected officials.

“Our government and people have long recognized that federal law enforcement officers are the best equipped and trained to deal with these kinds of civilian law enforcement needs. Soldiers are trained to kill the enemy, and they lack the training to conduct proper law enforcement. Furthermore, they lack training to respect and protect border community residents’ civil liberties and safety. History has shown the dangers of using the military to engage in domestic law enforcement activities,” said Romero.

Ask America’s law enforcement about the ACLU and you will get an earful about their anti-law enforcement actions. Suddenly, law enforcement officers are being praised by Romero, while his statements conjure up visions of Nazi stormtroopers. I’m certain Sen. Dick Durbin will concur with the ACLU on that characterization of US troops: A horde of mercilous criminals preying upon the poor drug traffckers, human smugglers, criminal aliens and others.

Meanwhile in Mexico, the popular left-wing newspaper La Jornada saw the move as a show of force by Mexico’s much more powerful neighbor, six weeks before presidential elections in Mexico.

“Installing National Guard support bases on the border is a way of warning Mexican voters… that the relationship with the United States could get dangerously complicated if a president is elected who does not understand the gringo power,” wrote the paper’s columnist Julio Hernández López. That’s right, Mr. Leftie, Power to the Gringo!

In a statement likely to swell his lead in the opinion polls, presidential candidate Felipe Calderon, from President Vicente Fox’s own PAN party, was quick to add his own condemnation of the deployment of national guardsmen.


“The focus on more security for the frontier, and the temporary use of the National Guard… has been seen in the past to be misguided,” Mr Calderon said.

clutchy
05-17-2006, 10:06 AM
and if you ever needed proof the ACLU was a bunch of traitors there you have it... hang 'em high.

nickel
05-17-2006, 10:12 AM
the ACLU has gone the way of Unions unfortunately. they started out as a good thing and still are a good thing in many cases, but then they lose sight of their original purpose from time to time and look like egomanical idiots.

MikeD
05-17-2006, 10:33 AM
:stupid:

Ugh, just thinking of the ACLU makes me :angry: . What a waste...

InfiniteNothing
05-17-2006, 10:34 AM
Link/source (for the article) please


:stupid:

Ugh, just thinking of the ACLU makes me :angry: . What a waste...
In the day of taping the phones of the "free press" I'm glad they are here.

nickel
05-17-2006, 10:36 AM
Link/source please
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=Mexico%2C%20ACLU%20Preparing%20Lawsuit%20Against%20US%20Over%20Guard%20Deployment&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wn

Airencracken
05-17-2006, 10:37 AM
In the day of taping the phones of the "free press" I'm glad they are here.
:stupid:

They may not always be spot on but they are a good organization

InfiniteNothing
05-17-2006, 10:43 AM
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=Mexico%2C%20ACLU%20Preparing%20Lawsuit%20Against%20US%20Over%20Guard%20Deployment&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wn
I don't see any major newspapers in the list (which makes me think this is sensational half news designed to get people mad)

jstreet
05-17-2006, 10:50 AM
and if you ever needed proof the ACLU was a bunch of traitors there you have it... hang 'em high.They defend people who otherwise wouldn't be defended. They serve an important purpose that by definition is unpopular to the majority. I'm not surprised most people don't like them, but it surprises me that the libertarians or pseudo-libertarians are part of the group who dislikes them.

<-- Card-carrying member and hope to work for them some day.

Merlin
05-17-2006, 12:08 PM
I actually think they are good ( :wavey: Libertarian) although I do think that they choose odd battles to fight. Resources are scarce..they should be going after big issues not small ones.

zippyjuan
05-17-2006, 12:41 PM
How come there are no talks about having the National Guard help guard the Canadian border which is where most of the terrorists entered the country? It is bigger and more open than the Mexican border.

Jeffbx
05-17-2006, 12:49 PM
Because when the Canadians come over, they bring beer.

Merlin
05-17-2006, 12:49 PM
Duh, because Canadians are white and for the most part speak english.

nickel
05-17-2006, 12:52 PM
How come there are no talks about having the National Guard help guard the Canadian border which is where most of the terrorists entered the country? It is bigger and more open than the Mexican border.
there are talks, and it has been said troops may also patrol that border "if state governors request them".

Burzhui
05-17-2006, 12:54 PM
All i'm saying is that we should put up signs stating that anyone caught crossing the border illegaly will be shot to kill! Very simple! People will have problems with it, especially the minority organizations, those on welfare since if the illegal immigrants stop taking sh1t jobs those worthless wastes of our society will have to step up... but who wants to work cleaning toilets if there is free welfare moneys to be had? and thus illegal immigrants still take those jobs because we support our own "garbage"

Markel
05-17-2006, 12:56 PM
Because when the Canadians come over, they bring beer.
When I was working in Canada once, some Canadians told me that they drive over the border to buy beer, because they hated the Canadian stuff.

nickel
05-17-2006, 12:57 PM
Because when the Canadians come over, they bring beer.
mmmm, Molson XXX

http://www.beveragenet.net/bd/2004/0406/images/0406bbz1.JPG


When I was working in Canada once, some Canadians told me that they drive over the border to buy beer, because they hated the Canadian stuff.
the grass is always greener. . .

guiseppewv
05-17-2006, 01:11 PM
This is effing ridiculous. The Mexican gvmt and the ACLU need to shut the eff up. The Mexican gvmt has a horrible policy against illegal immigrants and the last time I checked the ACLU has the following mission goals:


From ACLU.org :

The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and guarantees:

Your First Amendment rights-freedom of speech, association and assembly. Freedom of the press, and freedom of religion supported by the strict separation of church and state.

Your right to equal protection under the law - equal treatment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin.

Your right to due process - fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.

Your right to privacy - freedom from unwarranted government intrusion into your personal and private affairs.

so where does securing our border fall into the above????

oblongmelon
05-17-2006, 01:15 PM
This is effing ridiculous. The Mexican gvmt and the ACLU need to shut the eff up. The Mexican gvmt has a horrible policy against illegal immigrants and the last time I checked the ACLU has the following mission goals:



so where does securing our border fall into the above????

it falls into a big black hole with a PADLOCK SLAPPED ON IT FROM THE GAM..shame on you all for trying to pull this one off ;)