My Mom's Neighbor is Raising Pit Bulls...

[johnnymk]

for the purpose of fighting other pit bulls.

This guy moved next to her over a year ago. He had a very friendly pit bull which he left outside on a chain and no dog house.

Well, my sister saw this and told him that that he must have a dog house, especially since the sun would bake the poor dog to death in the summer.
If I remember correctly, he then put the dog under the carport with a chain.

Fast forward to a month ago: He installed a tall wooden fence in the back yard. Suspecting something, my sister was over last week and peeked through a crack in the fence. She notices two pit bulls on a very short chain and two dog carriers which are used as housing. The area was very muddy.

Furious, she calls the SPCA. She knows the lady who runs it. Yesterday, she stopped at the guy's house who told him that the chains must be longer and that floors must be installed under the so-called dog houses.

As they were talking, he admits that he is raising pit bulls to be used as fighters in local contests. He said that there is nothing wrong with this type of activity!! He also admitted that he had constant complaints at his previous address while raising pit bulls there. He also stated that his father, a supposed respected minister did the same thing!!

(My sister got this info from the SPCA lady right after she left.)

I am amazed that this guy thinks that this is OK.

[KIISQueen]

In my opinion, it's not ok, how can they allow this. Poor dogs. no wonder they have such a bad rep. My brother had a pit bull his name was Gino this dog was the most loving dog. unfortunately he was hit by a car.

[oblongmelon]

If you know something is going on then don't wait for the spca to do something about it..call your local police department (nearest your mom if she lives in Levittown or wherever)..dog fights ARE ILLEGAL and can and should be stopped. Pitbulls ( American and Staffordshire bull terriers) are beautiful dogs with very protective temperments towards those who treat them with love and kindness..Pits aren't vicious and nasty all the time-only if they are exposed to poor treatment. Don't sit back on this one..make the call..and save a dog's life before it gets hurt so badly that it wants to hurt back. I realize Johnnymk that you are a "cat guy"..but don't let your dislike of dogs stop you from helping out where help is needed...
http://www.workingpitbull.com/images/dogfightpicbad1.jpg

http://www.paw-rescue.org/petbulls.html

[cheapie]

i have a relative that had a pit bull. the dog was treated nicely...and was still mean as ****.

[MikeD]

My brother had a pit bull his name was Gino this dog was the most loving dog. unfortunately he was hit by a car.

:eek3:

And the story ends there...

[oblongmelon]

i have a relative that had a pit bull. the dog was treated nicely...and was still mean as ****.

Pits are very "owner protective"..it's their nature. There are some breeds of dogs that just have it in their blood to be more difficult than others..(unlike labs that are only dangerous if you pick them up and throw them at someone)

[cheapie]

if by more difficult you mean that they give off the impression that if the owner looked away for more than 4 seconds, it would have killed me for the fun of it...it was more difficult. :heh:

[riskykougra]

My sis had a pitbull that unfortunately became very ill and had to be put to sleep. It was the BIGGEST suck in the world.

[MJordanash]

I have worked hand and hand in these cases. I see how bad these animals get and it will break your heart. These cases are far more frequent than people think and it takes a long process to refer them to state charges. I am thankful for the SPCA, they do more work than most think.

[oblongmelon]

if by more difficult you mean that they give off the impression that if the owner looked away for more than 4 seconds, it would have killed me for the fun of it...it was more difficult. :heh:

Perhaps you were giving the dog bad vibes..you know, dogs pick up on things like that..and that could be ANY DOG that would do that..not just Bull Terriers (aka Pits)..my brother has a Bichon that has got to be the WORST tempered dog I've ever seen..hey, like people..if they feel threatened, any dog is going to react accordingly..

People have a misconception about these dogs that really needs to be addressed in public more often. Here's a good link..it's pretty interesting. I bet most people don't even know that what is called Pitbulls today aren't even purebred but a combination of the American and Staffordshire bull terrier ..well..go read about it..they can explain it better than I can..
http://www.workingpitbull.com/aboutpits.htm

[thresher]

I would be so angry by this idiot's apathy. :agree: Do what you can and get this jerk stopped. It wouldn't hurt to engage in a little smear campaign either. My adorable Lucy enjoying the sun this last winter.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/851/dscn06116al.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[johnnymk]

If you know something is going on then don't wait for the spca to do something about it..call your local police department (nearest your mom if she lives in Levittown or wherever)..dog fights ARE ILLEGAL and can and should be stopped. Pitbulls ( American and Staffordshire bull terriers) are beautiful dogs with very protective temperments towards those who treat them with love and kindness..Pits aren't vicious and nasty all the time-only if they are exposed to poor treatment. Don't sit back on this one..make the call..and save a dog's life before it gets hurt so badly that it wants to hurt back. I realize Johnnymk that you are a "cat guy"..but don't let your dislike of dogs stop you from helping out where help is needed...
http://www.workingpitbull.com/images/dogfightpicbad1.jpg

http://www.paw-rescue.org/petbulls.html

I really don't know what I can do. I guess I could follow the guy when he laods them into a truck for the contest. But that would take 24 hour surveillance. Besides, there is some time left. He is going to have pups with these two dogs. I doubt that he would let anything happen to them before the new pups are born.

I am sure that my sister and the SPCA lady are going to closely monitor the situation.

I don't know where you got the idea that I dislike dogs. Growing up, we always had dogs. I love most dogs. Just because I like cats doesn't mean I dislike dogs.

[oblongmelon]

heheh Lucy is cute..I love it when dogs smile for the camera :)
(I need to get a photo of Lolly boy..he's Stafforshire and lab/beagle mix..and cute as hell too..he loves to smile and he loves me to rub his gums ..lol

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I really don't know what I can do. I guess I could follow the guy when he laods them into a truck for the contest. But that would take 24 hour surveillance. Besides, there is some time left. He is going to have pups with these two dogs. I doubt that he would let anything happen to them before the new pups are born.

I am sure that my sister and the SPCA lady are going to closely monitor the situation.
Call the police..simple as that..they have to respond to EVERY CALL they get. Does your mom have kids in her neighborhood? Tell the police that you and your mother are worried about the dogs and that they are being used for fighting-tell the conversation that the guy had about his use of the dogs..have your sister call too..just do SOMETHING. Don't sit back on it. Stick a video camera over the fence..it sounds to me like it's something that could be done right? Dog fighting is illegal. It only takes one voice to save a life sometimes...even if it is the life of a dog.

[johnnymk]

I would be so angry by this idiot's apathy. :agree: Do what you can and get this jerk stopped. It wouldn't hurt to engage in a little smear campaign either. My adorable Lucy enjoying the sun this last winter.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/851/dscn06116al.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

As far as I know, he is renting the house. The SPCA lady is going to locate the owner of the house. She says she has successfully kicked one renter out of three consecutive homes.

[johnnymk]

heheh Lucy is cute..I love it when dogs smile for the camera :)
(I need to get a photo of Lolly boy..he's Stafforshire and lab/beagle mix..and cute as hell too..he loves to smile and he loves me to rub his gums ..lol

and
Call the police..simple as that..they have to respond to EVERY CALL they get. Does your mom have kids in her neighborhood? Tell the police that you and your mother are worried about the dogs and that they are being used for fighting-tell the conversation that the guy had about his use of the dogs..have your sister call too..just do SOMETHING. Don't sit back on it. Stick a video camera over the fence..it sounds to me like it's something that could be done right? Dog fighting is illegal. It only takes one voice to save a life sometimes...even if it is the life of a dog.

If I call the police now when the dogs are tied up behind a fence, they are going to think I am nuts. Besides, from what I hear, they would be taking them to the inner city in Philly where they could probably get away with it.

Also, note my comments about my love for dogs.

[oblongmelon]

As far as I know, he is renting the house. The SPCA lady is going to locate the owner of the house. She says she has successfully kicked one renter out of three consecutive homes.

kicking renters out does not stop the brutal treatment and conditions that these dogs are living with..they need to be removed from the home and placed with people who will respect them for what they are..and treat them accordingly so they can be appreciated.
The only home the renter needs to be in is in JAIL.:angry:

[thresher]

You know, I saw on animal police (ok, so I am a sucker for drama) that the director or someone high up in Philly takes dog fighting very serious. Climb higher up the salary chain and see if you can really wake up spca.
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oh - and thanks to all who commented about Lucy, you made my day!

[oblongmelon]

If I call the police now when the dogs are tied up behind a fence, they are going to think I am nuts. Besides, from what I hear, they would be taking them to the inner city in Philly where they could probably get away with it.

Also, note my comments about my love for dogs.

yes, and I see your edit.
So what if the dogs are chained up..call the police and tell them the dogs BARK and CRY all night long. Make some calls to Pitbull rescue agencies and see if they can offer you any kind of help..it's the end of the month-police need to meet their quotas-they'd be hero's for saving the dogs. Does your mom live in Levittown? isn't that like..suburbia USA?

[clutchy]

boy your sister sure is demanding.... I wouldn't have said anything about houses, mud, leash, sun... etc.

although i would have drawn the line at dog fights.


i don't like pits, and i'll never have one around any of my kids(when they show up).

[johnnymk]

boy your sister sure is demanding.... I wouldn't have said anything about houses, mud, leash, sun... etc.



Well, I guess it's good you don't have a dog.

[Sirrich3]

take pics, and report it to the authorities. Hide the little pets and kids...from these pit bulls

[dougadam]

Tell her to buy a gun, and learn how to use it. It should be at least a 10mm with a 15 round clip, a laser site would help.

[MJordanash]

boy your sister sure is demanding.... I wouldn't have said anything about houses, mud, leash, sun... etc.

although i would have drawn the line at dog fights.


i don't like pits, and i'll never have one around any of my kids(when they show up).
It depends how the animal is raised...a pitbull is very protective but unless they are taught to fight, just like anything else, they wont. Pending they are a normal animal without any type of other issues. These dogs are usually put down within 15minutes of taking over custody due to how mean and out of control they are. No fault of their own, just based on the treatment.

[gwilks98]

Call the DA's office and give them the opportunity for some good PR. Let them know what's going on and ask what you can do to help put him away for this.

You could also call some of the major insurance carriers and report visible illegal activities going on the premises. From what I understand, they often share databases and would probably love to know if they need to adjust his rates.

You could play a more subtle role and ask him where you can watch a fight. Then tip off the cops and bring the whole gang down.

This man deserves no mercy for forcing an innocent life into a world of carnage and pain.
Poor doggies. :(

[riskykougra]

I would avoid direct confrontation with the guy if possible. I've seen programs where they say that selling drugs and dog fighting usually go hand in hand and you dont want some angry drug dealer terrorizing jmk's mother either so give him a break if he is unsure or a little reluctant to start a war with an obvious criminal that lives next to his mother.

[clutchy]

Well, I guess it's good you don't have a dog.


I do have a beast, but she's pretty much an indoor dog... my point being that i don't really think it's right for someone to make demands on how another person takes care of their dog.


I would avoid direct confrontation with the guy if possible. I've seen programs where they say that selling drugs and dog fighting usually go hand in hand and you dont want some angry drug dealer terrorizing jmk's mother either so give him a break if he is unsure or a little reluctant to start a war with an obvious criminal that lives next to his mother.

*sister*

[riskykougra]

Then why did he call the thread "my moms neighbour is raising pit bulls"...its his mother who lives there and maybe his sis too I dont know but definately his mother and I would be worried about any family member getting hurt over that.

[clutchy]

Then why did he call the thread "my moms neighbour is raising pit bulls"...its his mother who lives there and maybe his sis too I dont know but definately his mother and I would be worried about any family member getting hurt over that.


totally missed that, i guess i got caught up with the demanding sister....

[johnnymk]

It gets more interesting.

My sister knows all about pitbull rescue agencies. She said that there are so many neglected and abused pitbulls that the agencies are overwhelmed, especially in Philly. These rescue employees won't even go into these neighborhoods because they are so dangerous.

Pit bull fighting is very big business. People use their winnings to buy drugs.

The SPCA lady claims that there are three pitbulls at this guy's property. Two of them are male near one another, I think and the female is at the opposite end of the yard. Supposedly at mating season the males get real agitated and I guess they start to fight over who is going to mate with the female. This turns nice dogs into fighters.

And I met the one dog when he was walking it near my mother's home. It was a real sweety pie.

This guy is a real creep!!

[oblongmelon]

All male dogs will fight over a female in heat.. any unleashed dogs will come for blocks and sit and whine outside, and pace back and forth, and try to get at the female if she is in heat..some will try to jump the fence..Female dogs in heat are like deer, they just give off such strong pheromones that all the males around are interested. So did you do anything about this yet? So the SPCA is spying on the guys dogs..how is this going to help get the dogs out of there?

[johnnymk]

All male dogs will fight over a female in heat.. any unleashed dogs will come for blocks and sit and whine outside, and pace back and forth, and try to get at the female if she is in heat..some will try to jump the fence..Female dogs in heat are like deer, they just give off such strong pheromones that all the males around are interested. So did you do anything about this yet? So the SPCA is spying on the guys dogs..how is this going to help get the dogs out of there?

Please tell me what else I can do. The SPCA lady said the township animal control officer is a real wimp and just gives people warnings. So in reality, the SPCA rep is doing a lot more than any local enforcement agencies are willing to do, considering nothing unlawful has been done yet.

To them, it's no big deal.

Would you like me to just break their chains and let them run free? Because it appears that's the only recourse we have at the present time. And believe me, twenty years ago, I would have done something like that. But not today.

[cheapie]

All males will fight over a female in heat..

fixed

[Cubsfan]

Does your mom have a fence? If the dogs are going to be there, then you better at least protect the house. Build a very strong fence (maybe brick!)

[johnnymk]

The guy just installed a fence. That's what got us suspicious in the first place.

[esme]

i was just reading through this thread and it really pisses me off when people do this sh!t

i've owned several pit bulls and they're the best .....they are so loving and amazing dogs. the first one we owned became extremely protective when she had her puppies (8) BUT only w/strangers, which is why we kept her away and on her leash. other than that they are very luvable and great companions .....I LOVE THEM :)


JMK - have you tried calling the local police and asking them what can be done ....besides having the SPCA check on them ???