KoalaFD

Yes... but you won't when it's your kid.

And natural selection can't really be defended if the "inferior gene" specimen manages to take out several of fellow, more evolutionarily suited innocent bystanders/drivers, eh?

"You're all alone, drive as fast as you want. When there's people around, be at least courteous enough to spare their lives even if you want to throw yours away."

helius

Not that I plan on having any, but even if I did have some due to some unfortunate circumstances... I don't believe in spoiling kids. They want a car? Sure, start saving/working! People tend to be much more conservative when driving cars they've actually worked/paid for. And if that still doesn't stop them, well, no amount of advice can even come close to having the crap scared out of them.


With enough cops and/or cameras on the roads, and stiff enough penalties for both dumbass kid and his/her parents...

kevs

I would just save up for 10 years and get the Ferrari Modena! I can't remember the times I almost got in an accident b/c I was staring at the Modena on the other side of traffic. Ha ha!

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KoalaFD

Ah... but then, when you've bought it, you'll have a ten year old car, no?

We'll all be flying around in our little air cars then. Or maybe riding horses if gas runs out.

helius

I saw a silver Ferrari (Modena I think) a few weeks back near the northern junction of 495 & 95. It was rather dark, and the car just zoomed past me.

clutchy

i used to call it fun in my buick, but i dont feel to safe i my accord anymore so i try stay below 90... right. So yeah i'm almost twenty one and i drove this pos buick for 3 years car wasn't worth 2000 bucks, but i loved it and it makes me appreciate my honda which is 3 years newer quite a bit more. Just take the accord get an ex v6 and a sunroof and you'll be set. it's an alright car and they're fun to drive, just don't rice it out that was the biggest mistake of my life, but i do enjoy the extra mpg.

Black Francis

You guys sure seem to hate Hondas for some reason. I bought a Honda Civic Si last year, and have loved every minute of it. I don't think that calling them bad cars is very accurate. From the research I did, they are very reliable, have a fairly good resale value, and are pretty safe cars. I do agree that the practice of ricing out a car is pretty stupid, but I stand by the fact that a factory Honda is a very respectable car to own. I have thought about doing a few mods to my car, but decided to spend my extra money on paying off the loan for now. However, I would never load my car up with a bunch of stickers......even if I did actually have all of the stuff that the stickers boast about.......

Anyway, thats my $.02

helius

I doubt if anyone could honestly say that Honda makes "bad cars". The problem most people have is with the owners of said cars.

KoalaFD

Yeah... Honda doesn't make bad cars.
Just slow ones.

Uh-oh! Just kidding, man!

The issue isn't about Honda making good or bad cars. Is with the drivers thinking their cars are more than they are. If you think your Civic, Si as it may be, is anything more than a pepped up commuter car, you have either (1) spent tons of money like Kebs, or (2) dumb.

Black Francis

I do know the limits of my car....when I bought it, I was looking for something cheap and reliable, but also fun to drive. It has plenty of get up and go for everyday driving, and it was in my opinion, the best deal for the money. I test drove the new Celica, which was way too small, a Ford Cougar (i think), which was just a piece of crap, and a few other cars that just didn't make the cut.......anyway, I was just trying to say that the Civic can be a respectable car (provided that there are no stickers on it, and you don't try to race everything that pulls up next to you). Hopefully, my next car will be the new 300ZX when they go back into production in 2003.......does anybody know if that is still supposed to happen?

Burzhui

Dude what's wrong with your mom, why is she so crazy about an accord anyway? Snuff her when she shows you the money you will be much happier with a good car

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clutchy

here we go again with the idiots, an accord is not a bad car, honda doesn't make bad cars, unfortunately honda has been at the heart of the import tune up scene so they've derived a different reputation than what they actually are.
OH YEAH AND ALSO YOU TELL ME A CAR THAT'S UNDER 50'000 DOLLARS WITH DOUBLE WISHBONE SUSPENSION. which by the way the sub 18,000 Si has.

I'm tired of people trashing the Si it's an incredible car front double wishbone suspension 4 wheel disc a 1.6 liter engine that produces 160 bhp, and a whole bunch of other junk for under 18k. Just because the ricers saw potential in a car with plenty of it doesn't mean that it's a pile of crap. Take the car for what it IS, not what teenagers pretend it to be.

KoalaFD

I don't think that Honda is really trying to "avoid" the reputation that they've built on the backs of ricers across the urban streets. The sheer existence of the Si proves that.

The Si is a hopped-up Civic. Nothing more. It does have a good deal of potential but most cars do. I think that you may be taking the other side of it... perhaps we ARE taking it for what it is and you're over-rating it.

No need to call people names, now. It's a touchy subject, I know, being as you drive a Honda. I know... I don't like when people talk bad about my cars but I'm open...

Ice-9

I think the new 300ZX is just called the "Z", at least according to Car and Driver. Pretty sweet-looking car, although that paint they had on it for the auto show was god-awful. And I'm not sure about that sloping tail, but the rest was pretty nice. The interior was very slick, although I doubt if much of it will make it to production. C+D said that there are no plans for a turbo, though!

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clutchy

maybe you're right maybe they have hyped up with the import scene as well i can't deny that they put out a test, but me liking my honda has nothing to do with that, i'd still rather be driving my 13 year old buick, but unfortunately it had other ideas. I'm not getting defensive or anything, but the Si is a great car. The only car that can come close to matching it's performance is maybe a golf vr6, but nm i'm getting out of this argument.

caddelma

For that kind of money, buy two used Accords. You don't waste as much money on depreciation and when one is in the shop you have a backup. I appreciate what my parents have given me and if I was in the same situation I'd buy two and lend one to mom when she wanted.

But please don't pop one of those damn popcorn poppers on the exhaust! I hate them things.

I will give Honda credit, their cars tend to outrun my preferred american cars, but when something goes out, and it will, american cars are much easier and cheaper to repair. Try replacing the alternator in an Accord in under a couple of hours!

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Blu

And I'll promptly drag you back in. The VR6 spanks the Si. The Si is a great car with a decent engine, but it's got major problems in the torque department. That's why the VR6 wins. It gets a better hop off the line. Besides, it's got 2 more cylinders, which helps. If you want compare the car to a VW, compare it to a 1.8t. That's a better match up.

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helius

If it's the same picture(s) that I've seen - the orange-y / crap colour? The styling is a little iffy, a little too bulge-y for me. I rather like the last generation 300ZXs.

Although at $30-40k I won't be able to afford one any time soon anyways.

Ice-9

Phew, but if you think a Japanese car is expensive to repair, try a nasty German one (or how about Italian?). Uggggh. A mechanic friend of mine who owned an MG used to say it stood for "Might Go." He had a second in the backyard for parts. VWs are the one that breaks that mold, though - my step-dad used to rebuild his Bug's engine every year or two in about a day and a half. Easy to fix.

So go for the Jetta VR6. Better styling, better torque, just about as reliable, and probably better resale value. But wait, is anybody in this thread actually buying a car?

rum

A good cheap way to fix up your car is to go to Home Depot. Serioussly, you can get some cheap **** there. Some aluminum mesh for a grill. You can buy some plastic sheets that are meant for those those long bar fluorescent lights and you can make your own clear corners/tail lights. Make sure you get the non-yellowing kind. Only costs an extra buck or two. For the tail lights, you'll probly need some Goop Off to melt the glue. I don't have a car, but I've helped some friends do this to their cars. As long as you're patient and you do the work carefully, it looks nice. I'm sure theres other stuff there you can use for other things, I just never really looked around too carefully.

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Ant6177

I agree with Rum you can find some really good materials to fix up a car at Home Depot. I've found alot of useful stuff there. With just a little creativity you can save alot of money.

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Alrite. I got another Home Depot supporter. Hm... Ant6177... sounds familiar. oh well.

rollhard

there seems to be a big misconception ni the market today about hp at the engine and hp at the wheels. carmakers always rate the hp to the engine. if your looking at modifying your car etc or looking for a decent powered ride, remember the average 15% hp loss from the drive train.
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Graphics Man

For that kind of money, you could get a new WRX. I know not all people like the look, but the car is very fast. I test drove one this weekend. It's about as fast stock as my Eagle Talon Tsi with mods. I may have to get on for myself. ;-)

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BrewMaster

Honda Accord isn't a bad car, especially for a 16 yeart old. Who cares if it's "slow." He's 16! He's not a f**kin Indy 500 racer. He's a kid. Hell, an Accord is spoiling the boy (but if I were Passwird @ 16, I wouldn't turn it down either). Be happy with what you've got Passwird (not that you've expressed any ungratefulness so far). Most kids don't have mommy and daddy buying them a new car of their choice (almost your choice in your case) when they're 16.

I'm 22 years old and I'm still driving the '89 Volvo station wagon my parents gave me. I mean hell, it runs and it gets me from point A to point B. Be happy with what you got. YOu don't know how lucky you are to have generous parents that want to buy you a new car. THANK THEM PROFUSELY.

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