Volvo Wagon

psycho- · 05-10-2002, 01:59 PM

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For some reason, I really like the wheels

psycho- · 05-10-2002, 02:01 PM

Pictures from a meeting

~~DoPeY5007~~ · 05-10-2002, 02:04 PM

I was gonna say it needs to be black with dark windows....

the black one looks sweet!!!...

psycho- · 05-10-2002, 02:05 PM

270hp baby carrier? Wait until they release the 300hp AWD version at the end of this year

05-10-2002, 03:56 PM

those are pretty sweet. i would love one of those. i cant stand it when people are like "why the hell would you want a wagon? you should get an suv instead"

Jihforce · 05-10-2002, 04:22 PM

Volvo Turbo Wagon over any SUV, anyday

psycho- · 05-10-2002, 05:09 PM

The way I see it, it's like getting a sports sedan that can carry as much as an SUV, w/o the sacrifices of an SUV.

The pictures are from an offline meeting of Volvo enthusiats (specifically for the XC, though the cars in the pictures are Turbos) in Japan. The top car is a Heico Sportiv "Demo Car", which is german performance tuner (http://www.heicosportiv.de/) the Second set (with the wheels I LOVE) is a "Demo Car" by a small japanese outfit called "VST Technik" (http://www.reiz.co.jp)

Volvo or not, those wheels are sweet

Nanotech9 · 05-10-2002, 07:05 PM

you wanna see a real wagon? check this out...

EvilHorace · 05-10-2002, 07:35 PM

OK, I work for a US Volvo dealer and havent heard any "official" talk of any 300HP Volvo or even close to that HP offered in the US. Where did you hear about that? Just curious. It might be offered overseas but I'd be surprized to see it here for various reasons.
I was just at Volvo school last week and next week I'll be at a master tech meeting for the XC90s, etc.
If an AWD wagon such as the XC, I personally wouldn't consider one with its present AWD system due to their now ever increasing major AWD issues regarding tires (mainly). What AWD problems? If you've ever seen the Brickboards AWD forum you'ld know as it's been busing with AWD problems in recent months and I've seen many AWD problems at our dealership as well. The XCs are listed at Consumer reports on their "don't buy" list due to too many complaints, mostly with '98s but the AWD system hasn't yet changed on any US version AWD V70.
The new computer controled AWD Haldex system should cure their present AWD problems but it's not yet offered in the V70 AWDs, only S60 AWD and upcoming SUV, the XC90.

palayah8ta · 05-12-2002, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by psycho-
The way I see it, it's like getting a sports sedan that can carry as much as an SUV, w/o the sacrifices of an SUV.

O man i agree.

, SUV's are played out. Now with the new IS 300 sportcross, and the Subaru WrX wagon, and the Toyota Matrix, Sport Wagons are here to stay.

EvilHorace · 05-12-2002, 06:18 AM

My '86 Volvo 745T pic can carry more cargo than most (if not all) midsized SUVs. It can carry 4'x8' sheets of panelling, drywall, etc on the inside with the t-gate opened.
SUVs give you added road height (which some people like)and usually 4WD/AWD which some people think they need (even though most really don't) but as for interior space, most SUVs have less than what older wagons (especially older domestic wagons) once had.
Being that Suburu was brought up here, I also use to work for them as well (for 15 yrs until '95) and those guys know how to make a great 4WD/AWD system that mechanically holds up w/o problems (unlike Volvos original/current V70 AWD system which was an afterthought, a system added onto an existing 2WD car).

johnnymk · 05-12-2002, 02:32 PM

A salesman came into work on Friday with a brand new Volvo AWD that looked like the silver one. He was bragging that his next door neighbor, who works at a Volvo dealer said that this demo car was available at $32,000. He jumped on it and said that he saved a bundle. (LIsted for $40,000).
Good grief... they are so EXPENSIVE!!

~~DoPeY5007~~ · 05-12-2002, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnnymk

Good grief... they are so EXPENSIVE!!

but they have very high safty ratings, well worth the price

palayah8ta · 05-12-2002, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by DoPeY5007
but they have very high safty ratings, well worth the price

i guess volvo's are good for people who are really scared of gettin killed on the road. i like the 80-whatever ones, there like street tanks. my friends parents bought him a volvo cause he crashed the family Benz twice. go team.

EvilHorace · 05-12-2002, 03:50 PM

Sure, not as cheap as a Domestic or Japanese car but they're in a league of (supposedly) better Euro cars that compete mostly with BMW, Audi and Lexus (although not Euro). $35K-$40K for any car in its class is now "normal" these days BUT I'd never pay $50K for their POS C70 convertable and yes, they're $50K!
Many people buy them for safety but they're also known for longevity, at least the older Volvos were.

bachviet · 05-12-2002, 04:54 PM

I don't know about quality since it's owned by FORD now!

EvilHorace · 05-12-2002, 09:57 PM

That's true but Ford hasn't had an influence on the cars.............YET. They've just been pumping money into the company with no visable changes so far. In a couple more years or less however all that will change. Ford will begin to merge their "stuff" with both Volvo and Jaguar so the cars will (no doubt) be much different than anything now available.
The upcoming SUV, the XC90 is supposedly the last of the "true Volvos" and after that it'll become a blend.
Volvos inline 5 cylinder engine, which has been a great engine since '92 in the US is almost history now as Ford people don't like it and think that "it doesn't make sense" (so I was told) and a Ford based V6 is rumored to replace it. Volvo people I talk to aren't exactly happy about the Ford buy-out.

bachviet · 05-13-2002, 07:55 AM

Ford V6 engines are just weak comparing to other Japanese V6s on the market (Nissan is the leader)!

psycho- · 05-13-2002, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EvilHorace
OK, I work for a US Volvo dealer and havent heard any "official" talk of any 300HP Volvo or even close to that HP offered in the US. Where did you hear about that? Just curious. It might be offered overseas but I'd be surprized to see it here for various reasons.
I was just at Volvo school last week and next week I'll be at a master tech meeting for the XC90s, etc.
If an AWD wagon such as the XC, I personally wouldn't consider one with its present AWD system due to their now ever increasing major AWD issues regarding tires (mainly). What AWD problems? If you've ever seen the Brickboards AWD forum you'ld know as it's been busing with AWD problems in recent months and I've seen many AWD problems at our dealership as well. The XCs are listed at Consumer reports on their "don't buy" list due to too many complaints, mostly with '98s but the AWD system hasn't yet changed on any US version AWD V70.
The new computer controled AWD Haldex system should cure their present AWD problems but it's not yet offered in the V70 AWDs, only S60 AWD and upcoming SUV, the XC90.

It's been pretty much over all the major car mags that volvo is pretty set on bringing it over. I think it's only going to be a change in compression on the 2.3 HPT engine that they normally use. As for AWD, they are slowly switching from that Viscous Coupling AWD system to a more integrated Haldex System. Only the haldex system seemingly can handle that amount of power (as shown in Audi/VW application). As for the current VC AWD system, I've heard about problems with it, and it seems alot like a afterthought, but the Haldex system should fix alot of the problems.

psycho- · 05-13-2002, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EvilHorace
That's true but Ford hasn't had an influence on the cars.............YET. They've just been pumping money into the company with no visable changes so far. In a couple more years or less however all that will change. Ford will begin to merge their "stuff" with both Volvo and Jaguar so the cars will (no doubt) be much different than anything now available.
The upcoming SUV, the XC90 is supposedly the last of the "true Volvos" and after that it'll become a blend.
Volvos inline 5 cylinder engine, which has been a great engine since '92 in the US is almost history now as Ford people don't like it and think that "it doesn't make sense" (so I was told) and a Ford based V6 is rumored to replace it. Volvo people I talk to aren't exactly happy about the Ford buy-out.

The 2004 MY S40/V50 is supposed to be based on a global Focus/Volvo/Protege platform. Of course then again, I believe that Ford does enough differentiation that you cannot tell the difference between the cars. But, if you can get a Volvo S40 w/ the handling of the Mazda and the engineered reliability of a Focus, I wouldn't mind it. Almost all Volvos are "cross devloped" anyways. The S/V40 w/ Mitsubishi. The S60/80/V70 platform with outside engineering work. THe previous 900 and series w/ Renault and Fiat, etc. etc. On For platform, the vehicles are differentiated enough that usually 80+ percent of parts aren't shared. Sometimes, even the wheelbase and width are different. I actually think that Ford's engineering approach is much better than that of VW (with their Skoda, VW, Audi brands all having vehicles that look alike). Or the GM "brand engineering"

As for Ford, you can see their track record with what they did with Aston Martin and Jaguar. I think they do more good than harm.

psycho- · 05-13-2002, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bachviet
Ford V6 engines are just weak comparing to other Japanese V6s on the market (Nissan is the leader)!

The ford-based duratec V6, which is the 3.0 litre engine, can produce up to 250 HP in specific applications. (Ie, Jaguar vehicles) They supposedly have, what is considered, to be one of the best V-12 engines (2 duratec blocks) in the world on the Vanquish. How it's applied is what's most important.

EvilHorace · 05-13-2002, 05:10 PM

I was talking to our GM today and to his knowledge the only HP version car that Volvo's talking about to US dealers is a S60 "R" version which might be close to 300HP like the one seen at last years Paris auto show (pics, etc were online). Torque steer is a major issue with that much power (FWD), and their present drivetrain as it's not tough enough.
He says there's nothing officially planned yet for any HP V70 "R" type wagon like they had a couple years ago but even those had only 240 HP (unless "chipped" which is actually another ECU in Volvoland).
The 5 cylinder engine isn't likely to be re-worked as Ford doesn't like it.
Being in the car bus. for 24 yrs now, I've learned long ago that one can rarely believe much of what's written about future "stuff" in most (if not all) car mags. Most of it becomes fiction as time goes on, never happens. I could write a very long list of all the technology that was predicted yet never happened from well over 20 yrs ago so I now tend to only believe things when I see it roll off the assembly line, production cars that is.

psycho- · 05-13-2002, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EvilHorace
I was talking to our GM today and to his knowledge the only HP version car that Volvo's talking about to US dealers is a S60 "R" version which might be close to 300HP like the one seen at last years Paris auto show (pics, etc were online). Torque steer is a major issue with that much power (FWD), and their present drivetrain as it's not tough enough.
He says there's nothing officially planned yet for any HP V70 "R" type wagon like they had a couple years ago but even those had only 240 HP (unless "chipped" which is actually another ECU in Volvoland).
The 5 cylinder engine isn't likely to be re-worked as Ford doesn't like it.

Well, the "R" version is the version that is based off of the PCC. It is expected to carry the Haldex AWD. This is the one I was referring to. Now, the V70 "R" is just rumoured, of course.

Quote:

In 2002, Volvo will definitely launch the S60R. It will have the 2.5 litres 5-cylinder engine with 300 bhp and 400 Nm torque. It will have a 6-speed manual or 5-speed automatic transmission.

Volvo Spy

EvilHorace · 05-13-2002, 06:36 PM

They don't presently have a 6 speed manual in the US (not sure if used elsewhere but I havent read anything about it) and they're having problems now with their 5 speed automatics which have been out for over a year or so.
We'll see what happens but all I'm saying here is that I wouldn't hold your breath waiting.

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EvilHorace Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 206	OK, I work for a US Volvo dealer and havent heard any "official" talk of any 300HP Volvo or even close to that HP offered in the US. Where did you hear about that? Just curious. It might be offered overseas but I'd be surprized to see it here for various reasons. I was just at Volvo school last week and next week I'll be at a master tech meeting for the XC90s, etc. If an AWD wagon such as the XC, I personally wouldn't consider one with its present AWD system due to their now ever increasing major AWD issues regarding tires (mainly). What AWD problems? If you've ever seen the Brickboards AWD forum you'ld know as it's been busing with AWD problems in recent months and I've seen many AWD problems at our dealership as well. The XCs are listed at Consumer reports on their "don't buy" list due to too many complaints, mostly with '98s but the AWD system hasn't yet changed on any US version AWD V70. The new computer controled AWD Haldex system should cure their present AWD problems but it's not yet offered in the V70 AWDs, only S60 AWD and upcoming SUV, the XC90. __________________ Last edited by EvilHorace : 05-10-2002 at 08:06 PM.

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EvilHorace Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 206	My '86 Volvo 745T pic can carry more cargo than most (if not all) midsized SUVs. It can carry 4'x8' sheets of panelling, drywall, etc on the inside with the t-gate opened. SUVs give you added road height (which some people like)and usually 4WD/AWD which some people think they need (even though most really don't) but as for interior space, most SUVs have less than what older wagons (especially older domestic wagons) once had. Being that Suburu was brought up here, I also use to work for them as well (for 15 yrs until '95) and those guys know how to make a great 4WD/AWD system that mechanically holds up w/o problems (unlike Volvos original/current V70 AWD system which was an afterthought, a system added onto an existing 2WD car). Last edited by EvilHorace : 05-12-2002 at 06:31 AM.

05-10-2002, 02:01 PM	#2
psycho- Rear Admiral Lower Half Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Del Mar, CA Posts: 2,261	Pictures from a meeting

05-10-2002, 02:04 PM	#3
~~DoPeY5007~~ court-martialled Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Brig Posts: 0	I was gonna say it needs to be black with dark windows.... the black one looks sweet!!!...

05-10-2002, 02:05 PM	#4
psycho- Rear Admiral Lower Half Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Del Mar, CA Posts: 2,261	270hp baby carrier? Wait until they release the 300hp AWD version at the end of this year

05-10-2002, 03:56 PM	#5
TommyBoomfiger Posts: n/a	those are pretty sweet. i would love one of those. i cant stand it when people are like "why the hell would you want a wagon? you should get an suv instead"

05-10-2002, 05:09 PM	#7
psycho- Rear Admiral Lower Half Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Del Mar, CA Posts: 2,261	The way I see it, it's like getting a sports sedan that can carry as much as an SUV, w/o the sacrifices of an SUV. The pictures are from an offline meeting of Volvo enthusiats (specifically for the XC, though the cars in the pictures are Turbos) in Japan. The top car is a Heico Sportiv "Demo Car", which is german performance tuner (http://www.heicosportiv.de/) the Second set (with the wheels I LOVE) is a "Demo Car" by a small japanese outfit called "VST Technik" (http://www.reiz.co.jp) Volvo or not, those wheels are sweet

05-12-2002, 02:32 PM	#12
johnnymk Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: May 2000 Location: LEVITTOWN< PA> USA Posts: 13,621	A salesman came into work on Friday with a brand new Volvo AWD that looked like the silver one. He was bragging that his next door neighbor, who works at a Volvo dealer said that this demo car was available at $32,000. He jumped on it and said that he saved a bundle. (LIsted for $40,000). Good grief... they are so EXPENSIVE!!

05-12-2002, 03:50 PM	#15
EvilHorace Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 206	Sure, not as cheap as a Domestic or Japanese car but they're in a league of (supposedly) better Euro cars that compete mostly with BMW, Audi and Lexus (although not Euro). $35K-$40K for any car in its class is now "normal" these days BUT I'd never pay $50K for their POS C70 convertable and yes, they're $50K! Many people buy them for safety but they're also known for longevity, at least the older Volvos were.

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05-12-2002, 09:57 PM	#17
EvilHorace Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 206	That's true but Ford hasn't had an influence on the cars.............YET. They've just been pumping money into the company with no visable changes so far. In a couple more years or less however all that will change. Ford will begin to merge their "stuff" with both Volvo and Jaguar so the cars will (no doubt) be much different than anything now available. The upcoming SUV, the XC90 is supposedly the last of the "true Volvos" and after that it'll become a blend. Volvos inline 5 cylinder engine, which has been a great engine since '92 in the US is almost history now as Ford people don't like it and think that "it doesn't make sense" (so I was told) and a Ford based V6 is rumored to replace it. Volvo people I talk to aren't exactly happy about the Ford buy-out.

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05-13-2002, 05:10 PM	#22
EvilHorace Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 206	I was talking to our GM today and to his knowledge the only HP version car that Volvo's talking about to US dealers is a S60 "R" version which might be close to 300HP like the one seen at last years Paris auto show (pics, etc were online). Torque steer is a major issue with that much power (FWD), and their present drivetrain as it's not tough enough. He says there's nothing officially planned yet for any HP V70 "R" type wagon like they had a couple years ago but even those had only 240 HP (unless "chipped" which is actually another ECU in Volvoland). The 5 cylinder engine isn't likely to be re-worked as Ford doesn't like it. Being in the car bus. for 24 yrs now, I've learned long ago that one can rarely believe much of what's written about future "stuff" in most (if not all) car mags. Most of it becomes fiction as time goes on, never happens. I could write a very long list of all the technology that was predicted yet never happened from well over 20 yrs ago so I now tend to only believe things when I see it roll off the assembly line, production cars that is.

05-13-2002, 06:36 PM	#24
EvilHorace Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 206	They don't presently have a 6 speed manual in the US (not sure if used elsewhere but I havent read anything about it) and they're having problems now with their 5 speed automatics which have been out for over a year or so. We'll see what happens but all I'm saying here is that I wouldn't hold your breath waiting.

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