DarkFury

First of all.. that text was hard to read on the "classic forum background"

Second... yes, I know, I know.. the valued "Directional Arrows/Bogey counter"...

Did you just miss the fact that "rear radar" from COPS is not nearly as accurate as oncoming radar??? Most likely that cop will get you with a speedo reading that even your V1 won't catch.

Also.. are you STILL missing the fact that both the BEL and the Escort do provide some "rear view" warning as to approaching radar signals... I highlighted that part for you in my previous post, but I guess you chose to ignore that. What more can I do here...

Either way, didn't you earlier say....


The directional arrows are a "bells/whistle" type thing... which are not part of the sensitivity and selectivity factor... as a matter of fact, if the detector can't readily discriminate between a garage door or automatic store door versus a cop... then what good will it do ya in the city?

Oh well... it's YOUR money... go buy a V1 if you got the cash and you love the way those arrows blink ... I'm gonna stick with BEL on this one.

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InfiniteNothing

Fair enough. I just don't think you should go out there yelling that there's a new sherif in town. What does it matter if rear radar isn't as accurate. You'll still get busted for it. I don't understand why you say it won't be caught by the V1 when it has up to 3X the sensitivity in the back. The reason why more radar detectors don't have a sensor in the back is because it's expensive. I'm glad that both detectors can read a lucky reflected signal from the rear but it's all about how much warning you get. The directional arrows are more than features they improve selectivity as you'll be less inclined to pay attention to the side arrow warnings. I also don't see why you say the threats in front of you are bigger when most highway cops (at least in California) are in active patrol. It's too expensive to have them sitting ther. doing nothing but catching pety speeders. The cop is most likely going to be pointing his gun forward rather than shooting you behind when he's on the road and, besides, you'll notice a cop before you pass him on the freeway.

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DarkFury

Honestly, I think you are totally missing what I was telling you... all in defending the honor of the V1...

The V1 IS a good detector... just too expensive for what it does and the protection it provides (IN MY OPININON...others may vary)

Yes.. I did announce a "new Sheriff in town" based on the determination of a 3rd party review... maybe some other reviews will come to the same/different conclusion... either way, the MAIN reason some folk "poo pooed" BELs in the past were that they weren't "smart" enough to filter out all the fake readings but now they are... and are even better at it than the competition (for now... )

Yeah... that V1 is 3X more sensitive, and also 3X (i.e. 300%) more vulnerable to rear end "detection" to RDD units... but maybe you aren't worried about that as well. As far as rear radar goes... I'd like to see some stats to how many people actually got caught from a rear radar read. Honestly, I'm still thinkin' that most folks who are caught from behind got speedoed or were just "obviously" speeding in the presence of a cop. No radar detector can protect you from being STUPID when you are driving in front of a cop.

The review even stated that this "advantage" depended on where the unit was placed on your dash or windshield and in one instance they found that it was LESS... now how can that be? Either way, this is the "last crutch" that the V1 supporters have to lean on... and lean on it they shall it appears... (to say that all the "other" detectors are "jealous" of them... hee hee... I find that quite humorous. )

Either way, for the most part, if a cop is in rolling traffic shooting his radar... the key is to "sense" that he is out there.... I don't really need to know EXACTLY where he is if that ends up only telling me that when I am right up on him... I just NEED to know that he is in the area and getting closer so that I can adjust accordingly. Half the time, I never even see the cop when the radar goes off and by the time I get close to him, I've already slowed down. This has worked for me for years now... and like I stated before I still have never gotten a ticket. As far as the ones behind you... well just keep scanning your rearview mirror from time to time.. and PAY ATTENTION when you drive.... you'll be ok.

I notice that you now say a "lucky bounced signal"... well dayuum.. if that isn't a feeble attempt to discredit them. Oh yeah... that is the point isn't it? Surely for $400, the V1 MUST be the best out there and everyone else is just fooling themselves right? OK... if you say so, but the tests still don't lie. The V1 still has to recognize that it is getting a lil long in the tooth now and will be in need for a MAJOR upgrade if they still want to keep it at that price point... I sure as hell ain't gonna pay $400 for it... but if you do, hey... it's your cash, not mine. Go for it.

look_ma

WTF, triangulation. Wrong word. With the V1 if the signal is coming from both the front and back, setting off the side arrows. It doesn’t tell me exactly where the cop is, you cannot triangulate with just 2 points.. http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...iangulation%20
And what is with the war here. DF is just letting people know Bel is back, I would not of known unless he posted. It gives people an alternative from the X50 and V1. DF is just trying to state that V1 technology is getting old, and they better role out a V2. Rear protection doesn’t really matter, the rear sensor does matter because you know where he is, not the fact he is there. Just because a detector only has one sensor, does not mean that IF you are beamed from behind that it will not detect it.

This is what I don't understand, just admit the V1 does not have all the latest and greatest features but still serves it's purpose. When POP guns start being used in your area, then you have something to worry about. My V1 still works fine even after reading this article, just like it did before I read the article. I am keeping my V1, it works for me, but if someone ask me what radar detector to get, I am defiantly going to suggest that they look at the BEL. The reason I got a V1 is because I didn't like the 8500, the only alternative at the time.

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DarkFury

/me claps at look ma's assessment of what I was trying to say. Bravo...

I'm sure that back in the day, had the V1 been moreso around the $250 - $300 mark, I might have gotten one... but honestly I just couldn't see the extra benefit versus the cost...

The Passport 8500 cost a hunk of change too.. and honestly it NEVER went on sale... the funny thing is... the Escort and BEL are dayuuum similar now... especially with the RX65's use of the "smart cord" and such... Personally, I don't wanna mess with that smart cord cause I really HATE even using the "coiled" cord to begin with... both of my vehicles are using a standard "hard wire" kit so I can take my detector from vehicle to vehicle and just plug it in.... the "hard wire" version of the smart cord costs like $37 extra each... which just makes the unit too dayuum expensive at that point.

Last I heard, you had to pay extra for the V1 remote module as well... which just makes it even more pricey as well. OUCH!!! You'd think for this kind of money, they could just include the dayuum cords... geez... (but that just woudn't be the "American Way" )

InfiniteNothing

I think we are on the same page. I was simply arguing against the article's findings. I do think the rest of your points are vald though

Why would any one care if your detector is detected. What does it matter at all? The artical places way to much value on this and POP detection (also completely useless
OKay DF, no need to get into technicalities. Let's assume ideal placement for both detectors. Otherwise you introduce too many permutations of "performance"
None of these detectors will keep you waiting until he's right up on you (unless they are right behind you). Keep scanning you're rear veiw mirror. That's begging for an accident.

Hey, price is a valid argument. I hear that. But it doesn't mean the V1 is any less capable.

InfiniteNothing

The V1 website said triangulation. I figured they triangulated with 2 angles and 2 points (ASA). Not sure if it does or not. Your point is well taken.
BS. The site DF Posted said 3X less detection. That indicates that no rear sensor hurts performance. Sure some rear hits are found but by then it might be too late.

Gladly admitted (on the feature thing). But, no one should really care about features; they should care about what the product is intended for: not getting busted. Whatever product does that best wins. You can't be written a ticket on pop alone so who cares about it. They'd have to have two detectors and you'd detect the other.

DarkFury

Dayuum Infinite... I guess you just have your mind made up huh?

Obviously you don't want to believe the findings of that report... since you are still trying to find discrepancies...

Just go out and get yourself a V1 and be done with it... I'll still have a fatter wallet and plenty of protection with my BEL.

That is all... Geez... (I told yall the V1 folks were zealots... still defending the castle at all costs... too bad the dragon has already burned it down.)

billxp

Damn I feel like an Apple user. j/k

Bottom line I would not buy a V1 right now because yes its getting behind in some aspects. I would wait for them to update the V1.
Gotta thank Bel for the competition.

But I'm not giving up my V1 period.

guiseppewv

FYI: They do update the V1. The rev numbers change and the internals (including s/w) are updated. The exterior stays the same, though.

billxp

Duh I knew that!

Also they do update the outside. Its become thinner and they added the type of radar indicator leds overtime.

But they do need to step it up a bit it seems.

InfiniteNothing

They often allow for upgrades. If you buy a new one now, and the newest latest greatest thing comes out tomorrow you can usually upgrade for free. If its a big upgrade they'll charge you a modest price for the upgrade.

look_ma

Although I have already posted this, some of ya'll refuse to read.

InfiniteNothing

No. I haven't had my mind made up. I'm still looking for the best radar detector. I have no castle to defend at this moment. It's not that I don't believe the findings, I just think they place far too much weight on all the wrong features. POP speed detectors are inherently faulty because EVERY sensor has to warm up before it can function properly. POP will never be accurate. Trust me on this one, I've tried sensors before they've warmed up and they take a while to trickle to the correct value (lets say a temperature sensor in boiling water trickling to 100C). So if it isn't accurate it won't be admissible in court. And if it became accurate or a relevent threat, Valentine would put out an update.

DarkFury

Sounds to me like your mind is made up...

You still are providing the "justification"... The BEL STILL will provide you adequate (and maybe superior) detection as compared to the V1... at this point you just have to ask yourself, is the "directional arrows" and bogey counter worth another $200? If so... then V1 is your choice. If not, then the BEL Vector 995 or RX65 present a strong case as alternatives.

What else can be said about this?

look_ma

Infect, excellant alternatives. My main justification of purchasing the V1 is that it holds its value. I can take my used V1 and sell it for a 10% loss. I am going on having mine for a year soon. I know for a fact you cannot say that about the passport, and I do not know for a fact, but I imagine bel is the same way. This is not because V1 is superior, but mainly because there is only one place to buy a V1, hints they hold the market value, If they start selling V1's for 300 then I would take a hit.

InfiniteNothing

*nods with understanding* I def see where you're coming from. I think every thing you've said has been pretty accurate. I just don't like the article.

Burzhui

i'll have to agree with DF here, i've been using my bel 985 and i absolutely love it, gives me plenty of rear warning, when i pass a cop the radar is beeping for a good half a mile. THe front warning is very good as well, if you switch your radar to tech mode, you will see exactly how many bogeys are firing because the signals are different!

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Jihforce

ah but what if that stretch of highway is patrolled by aircraft? where will those arrows point?

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Burzhui

just get an anti aircraft cannon attached

InfiniteNothing

Heh, they don't use radar. Or were you kidding.

DarkFury

Honestly, I never thought of a radar detector as an "investment opportunity"... I guess that is what happens when you completely control the distribution network. However they still betta watch their backs, cause the competition is "comin' up".

Ok then... well that's a testament to the number of loyal (sheep) followers to the cause of the V1. (j/k)

So when they ask for that $189 to upgrade... do they take your old unit and replace it? Or doyou have 2 units after that? Or do they physically "upgrade" your old unit?

/me looks up out the sunroof and goes... DAYUUUUM!!!!!

But seriously, they don't use radar. They use the pavement markings to calculate your speed.

DarkFury

UPDATE.... my BEL 995 came in today...

First observation is... "DAYUUUM... nice detector!!!!"

Second observation is... "DAYUUUM... it has the same power input plug as the RX65... i.e. the "telephone jack" . I guess the only difference between the 2 is that the RX65 comes with the "smart plug" and the 995 doesn't...

Now I'm like... dayuum... now I gotta go and buy BEL's "hard wire" kit which is like $10 for the standard wire and $30 for the "smart" wire. Maybe I'll go ahead and buy the "smart wire" for the HEMI and a "regular wire" for the Nas-T Bird. That way I'll be covered in both vehicles...

Figures.... but on a side note, I'm now checkin' out all the features of this unit and dayuum they are nice. Currently I have it set so that it displays my vehicle's "voltage" (which the HEMI normally registers in at 14.4 volts)... the detector also has a < 9 (low voltage) or > 16 (over voltage) warning alert as well. Too dayuum cool...

And yes... instead of a "bogey counter" it does have a "radar frequency indicator" so you can tell when different radar signals are hittin' ya... just too sweet!!!!

This thing almost makes me wanna find some cops so that I can really test it (at normal driving speeds of course. )

guiseppewv

What fun would that be?

DarkFury

Well I don't wanna be "the star" in the next "Rodney King" video... ya dig?

Burzhui

I told you man, this is for us techy people the bogey counter is for all those non technologycally savy people

/me high fives DF on a good purchase!

WhiskeyPapa

So is speeding, but does that stop you?

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shut up man! me pours chloroform on kb0wwp

PrObLy

Hey, thanks for posting that article DF...I'm glad you're happy with your new BEL. I have been looking recently at purchasing a high-end radar detector and was pretty much set on the Blue LED Escort but now I'll take that BEL into consideration. I have nothing against the V1, in fact several of my friends have one and they love it and I think it works fantastic also, especially the arrows that show the direction of the radar, I just wanted to be a little bit different, plus I like the way the Escort looks.

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DarkFury

Word be told... the same guy that owns Escort, owns BEL as well...

Pretty much I guess they decided to give BEL the "good stuff" this year versus putting it in the top of the line Escort 8500 X50.... but honesty Escort is kinda like Valentine in the fact that they generally NEVER go on sale for the top of the line model... kinda like the same strategy with the BEL RX65...

Pretty much the best "deal" on a high end detector is gonna be the Vector 995... as I have found and posted a link to where you can get it for $229 from a store that has like a Reseller Rating of 8+ with lots of "good" feedback.