NiceMann

Ok everyone always talks about how they wish they had a BMW or some other import. I myself love a Good Ole Chevy Truck. Very dependable and its made in America. It can't get any better then that. I know not everyone is a truck person, but america makes some good cars too.

Heart Beat Of America...Today's Chevy Trucks!

~NiceMann

pennypinch

I certainly like that better than Ford, but I'm a Mopar person meself...do you have one of the new silverados, Nice? I like the way those look VERY much. I drove a 96 Tahoe for a little while, then switched to an Expedition, which was a huge mistake. I'm in a Durango now, and happy as a clam. Doesn't have the ridiculous gee-wizardry of the Ford and is made a little tighter than the Tahoe. And it's not a logistical exercise trying to find parking.

pennypinch

A big-pimpin Cadillac or good condition six-four would be very cool as well.

att

the ford f150 does outsell the honda accord or toyota camry, that's not by mistake. i myself wouldnt mind a lincoln if i could afford it, the new ones are sick.

spigidygak

Hey, I might be a beemer lover but I still dig my Jeep Grand Cherokee.

NiceMann

Hey now people I said CHEVY not ford.

Naa Fords a good company, I just always buy chevy.

~NiceMann

blxmjx

I gotta agree with you. GMC trucks are the way to go. Gotta love my 4.3 liters of turbocharged all wheel drive typhoon.

colossus

Until recently I have always found Ford's built quality of cabin body components to be of slightly better quality than GM stuff. My 1987 Taurus has worn so well inside with cloth seats. That's probably the only reason I never owned a GM vehicle. I like the fact that the 3800 series of engines was making more power and more efficiently via pushrod than most of the import DOHC engines.

If you need a real truck, ie your moving houses, you still gotta turn to Ford. Ever see how much those Ford tractors or earth movers can pull!?! It's outrageous!

I've been with my 1998.5 Ford Contour SVT for 2.08 years now and haven't had a single problem other than crappy gas mileage. A 2.5L DOHC should get more than 21 mpg on mixed city/highway when pulling a 2800 pound car. I guess the fact I have a lead foot doesn't help though.

Oh, I did have 1 problem, but Ford dealers induced it, and later fixed. Most American cars will do fine as long as you or your local mechanic maintain it rather than a dealership.

I honestly think dealerships "destroy" their own so that they can bill the Auto company for repairs under warranty. The dealer gets to make tons of money on labor and parts and the Auto maker suffers in name.

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spigidygak

All this hub-bub of ford or chevy/gmc. . . BAH! I'll take a Dodge 2500 dualy .

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att

2.08 years, colossus? gee, couldn't you get a little more specific.

qeg84doa

Has anyone ever looked at consumer-reports?
All the little red dots beside the imports and black spots beside domestic vehicles is no coincident. Japanese and German cars and trucks are superior. They run longer stronger and retain resale value far more than domestic. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for red white and blue(I own a Ford myself) but unfortunately, were still playing catch-up in manufacturing techniques, quality etc. Edward Deming (American) tried to convince American manufacturers to comit to total quality but nobody listend... he took his ideas and principles to Japan were they put them to work(Edward Deming Award). I work at Toyota and believe me.... they get on my nerves on how picky they are about the smallest details....then again... I'm proud to part of a company that strives to make a quality Automobile.

spigidygak

That's true, I'm a German auto enthusiast. But when it comes to trucks and big block engines, no one can beat the Americans. Although Toyota trucks are "refined" they just don't have the torque that a good ol' Dodge Ram v12 or a Ford F350 or Chevy Sierra has. There are just soo many more better trucks made in the heartland.

att

isnt it funny that we make superior trucks, the automobiles that take all the abuse, but we cant make a car that takes zero abuse and runs forever. what's up with that?

pennypinch

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by qeg84doa:
They retain resale value far more than domestic.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Resale value is based on the PERCEPTION of quality, not actual quality. Today, lemon examples of Toyotas and Hondas sell for just as much as a good specimen. If resale value was not based on people's perceptions, then well-maintained, good running cars would all sell for the same, regardless of the badge on the hood.
I have also been skeptical of the consumer reports methodology, an area on which they've been taken to task many times. I am just ignorant as to how those black and red dots are calculated. Does anyone have a CR issue in front of them? Their pseudo-scientific approach has always kind of irked me.
Finally, with regards to Edward Deming, that was decades ago. Do you honestly think American car companies haven't caught on by now? You can bet the early-90's saw car execs getting flogged by their superiors for letting the Japanese get so far ahead in QC. Today's impression of Japanese goods is still the product of our late-80's conception of the robot-Japanese businessman/factory worker, the mystique that suggests that they are a superhuman race of people, and that their success will always be a mystery to us. I can assure you American companies have been hard at work trying to figure it out, and given 15 years, I think they've probably cracked it. Considering the number of European companies that have been purchased by Americans, it's probably not that closely guarded a secret.

420racer

Chevy is the only TRUCK that I will buy, you know, "builty like a rock".

I do drive an ACURA, over 160K miles and still beat most of the newer vehicles...

Grizybaer

I'm sure hoping they caught on, when quality is equal and supply is high due to competition, prices go down!


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Great, so how much is shipping?

spigidygak

I gues I'm the only Dodge truck lover here?

IrishSS

You listen to a Ford Powerstroke 7.3 and then to a Cummins and you tell me which one you like more...

I gotta go with the Powerstroke...

Grizybaer

Whats the deal with the pushrod engine?

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Great, so how much is shipping?

Eminem17

Even though I'm an American, I must admit that American cars/trucks suck. No offense to those owners, but Japanese cars by far excel in almost every test category. My parents own a Ford Taurus, one of the best selling American passenger cars in recent years. They are constantly in and out of the shop with it, whether it be recalls to constant brake work. I'm extremely satisfied with my import, and would never buy American.

420racer

HONDAS RULE

AJ

its still true that american cars are a good 5 years behind imports...

spigidygak

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AJ:
its still true that american cars are a good 5 years behind imports...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah AJ, I think its only 3 or so years, hehe

Nanotech9

Lets not foget about the Good 'ole '95 GMC (same as chevy, right?) 4WD K1500 SWB, and its awesome plastic bearing races in the tranny that seem to pulverize after 80k mi....

Other than that, it as a great truck.